The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:06:39 PM UTC, wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

Diy-kitchens.com

On 07/11/2019 12:15, wrote:
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:06:39 PM UTC, wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

Diy-kitchens.com

Seconded. I have not used them yet but called into their showroom
earlier in the year and as suitably impressed with the quality. And,
everything is individually priced instead of an arbitrary price for the
whole kitchen.

Just a shame that they don't do anything true-handleless.

Is that not just a channel screwed to the bottom or top edge of the door or
do they put holes in the doors with those ugly bungs in them.
Brian

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On 07/11/2019 12:15, wrote:
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:06:39 PM UTC,
wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

Diy-kitchens.com

Seconded. I have not used them yet but called into their showroom earlier
in the year and as suitably impressed with the quality. And, everything is
individually priced instead of an arbitrary price for the whole kitchen.

Just a shame that they don't do anything true-handleless.

On 07/11/2019 14:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Is that not just a channel screwed to the bottom or top edge of the door or
do they put holes in the doors with those ugly bungs in them.
Brian


No brian, they are moulded in the door and then finished in the same
stuff as the door, or at least they are on mine.

Dove grey with the red artificial stone surfaces makes a really nice
combination.

Is that not just a channel screwed to the bottom or top edge of the door or
do they put holes in the doors with those ugly bungs in them.
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"Andrew May" wrote in message
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On 07/11/2019 12:15, wrote:
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:06:39 PM UTC,
wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

Diy-kitchens.com

Seconded. I have not used them yet but called into their showroom earlier
in the year and as suitably impressed with the quality. And, everything is
individually priced instead of an arbitrary price for the whole kitchen.

Just a shame that they don't do anything true-handleless.

On 07/11/2019 14:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Is that not just a channel screwed to the bottom or top edge of the door or
do they put holes in the doors with those ugly bungs in them.
Brian

No, I was thinking of the type where the door does not go all the way to
the top of the cabinet. Instead it stops about 25mm short and there is
an aluminium channel fixed across the cabinet behind. So, no handles but
access to the top of the door.

Sorry Brian, hope I have explained it adequately but
https://www.benchmarxkitchens.co.uk/true-handleless for anyone who can
see the pictures.

On 07/11/2019 15:04, Andrew May wrote:
On 07/11/2019 14:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Is that not just a channel screwed to the bottom or top edge of the
door or
do they put holes in the doors with those ugly bungs in them.
Â* Brian

No, I was thinking of the type where the door does not go all the way to
the top of the cabinet. Instead it stops about 25mm short and there is
an aluminium channel fixed across the cabinet behind. So, no handles but
access to the top of the door.

Sorry Brian, hope I have explained it adequately but
https://www.benchmarxkitchens.co.uk/true-handleless for anyone who can
see the pictures.

That is just a function of the hinges/opener.
You can fit them to any door designed for handles and leave a flat surface.

You can even get electric powered stuff that is handle less like my
bosch dishwasher. Push door to open, but I do have a moulded handle on
it as I wanted the door to match the others.

On 07/11/2019 12:25, Andrew May wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:15, wrote:
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:06:39 PM UTC,
wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

Diy-kitchens.com

Seconded. I have not used them yet but called into their showroom
earlier in the year and as suitably impressed with the quality. And,
everything is individually priced instead of an arbitrary price for the
whole kitchen.

Just a shame that they don't do anything true-handleless.


What do you mean by handle less?

The handless ones have moulded in "handles".
The rest are flat or moulded for you to fit handles.

So if you want flat slabs you don't want to look for "handle less".

"dennis@home" Wrote in message:
On 07/11/2019 12:25, Andrew May wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:15, wrote:
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:06:39 PM UTC,
wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

Diy-kitchens.com

Seconded. I have not used them yet but called into their showroom
earlier in the year and as suitably impressed with the quality. And,
everything is individually priced instead of an arbitrary price for the
whole kitchen.

Just a shame that they don't do anything true-handleless.


What do you mean by handle less?

The handless ones have moulded in "handles".
The rest are flat or moulded for you to fit handles.

Or those funky "press door in to release catch" catches for the
true handleless look.... As long as you know which side to press
- look for the grubby fingermarks :-)

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On 07/11/2019 12:25, Andrew May wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:15, wrote:
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:06:39 PM UTC,
wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

Diy-kitchens.com

Seconded. I have not used them yet but called into their showroom earlier
in the year and as suitably impressed with the quality. And, everything
is individually priced instead of an arbitrary price for the whole
kitchen.

Just a shame that they don't do anything true-handleless.


What do you mean by handle less?

Presumably those you press to have it spring open
and press again to close.

The handless ones have moulded in "handles".
The rest are flat or moulded for you to fit handles.

So if you want flat slabs you don't want to look for "handle less".

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


What do you mean by handle less?

Presumably those

He didn't ask YOU anything or talked to you, you pesky senile Ozzie troll!

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On 07/11/2019 12:15, wrote:
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:06:39 PM UTC, wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

Diy-kitchens.com

From the website it seems that they don't supply carcasses without
doors - I'll give them a ring

wrote:

My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations

Wren, I'd seen the tv adverts, but not bothered with them as they didn't
have a local branch until recently, I popped in and was reasonably
impressed

On 07/11/2019 12:16, Andy Burns wrote:
wrote:

My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations

Wren, I'd seen the tv adverts, but not bothered with them as they didn't
have a local branch until recently, I popped in and was reasonably
impressed
It seems that they don't sell carcasses by themselves

On 07/11/2019 12:16, Andy Burns wrote:
wrote:

My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations

Wren, I'd seen the tv adverts, but not bothered with them as they didn't
have a local branch until recently, I popped in and was reasonably
impressed

Howdens won't sell to the public. Or at least they never used to.
They only want to send an 'authorised' kitchen fitter round.


Travis Perkins have their own brand too. No idea if they are any good.

In article , Andrew97d-
says...


Howdens won't sell to the public. Or at least they never used to.
They only want to send an 'authorised' kitchen fitter round.


One of their fitters has the same name as me and the same
broadband supplier.

He also wanted the email address that already had, so was
obviously offered it with a 2 appended, which he accepted.

Howdens 'lost' the 2 and started sending me his quotations -
shiowing his 80% + discount!

If we use Howdens for our new kitchen, that information could
be useful to know!

--

Terry

On 08/11/2019 13:55, Terry Casey wrote:
In article , Andrew97d-
says...


Howdens won't sell to the public. Or at least they never used to.
They only want to send an 'authorised' kitchen fitter round.


One of their fitters has the same name as me and the same
broadband supplier.

He also wanted the email address that already had, so was
obviously offered it with a 2 appended, which he accepted.

Howdens 'lost' the 2 and started sending me his quotations -
shiowing his 80% + discount!

If we use Howdens for our new kitchen, that information could
be useful to know!

I had no problem getting a Howdens Trade account - even with a
substantial credit allowance.
All the kitchen items seem to be sold at a discount of anything between
50 and 100% ( yes 100% for 1 item).
Had no problem taking surplus items - mainly accessories back unused for
full refund.

On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 18:04:08 +0000, Robert wrote:

On 08/11/2019 13:55, Terry Casey wrote:
In article , Andrew97d-
says...


Howdens won't sell to the public. Or at least they never used to.
They only want to send an 'authorised' kitchen fitter round.


One of their fitters has the same name as me and the same broadband
supplier.

He also wanted the email address that already had, so was obviously
offered it with a 2 appended, which he accepted.

Howdens 'lost' the 2 and started sending me his quotations - shiowing
his 80% + discount!

If we use Howdens for our new kitchen, that information could be
useful to know!

I had no problem getting a Howdens Trade account - even with a
substantial credit allowance.
All the kitchen items seem to be sold at a discount of anything between
50 and 100% ( yes 100% for 1 item).
Had no problem taking surplus items - mainly accessories back unused for
full refund.

We were ready to go down that route but the builders we selected had a
Howdens account so we use theirs.
They showed us the quote from Howdens with "trade" and "retail" values
side by side. Retail was mainly 2 * Trade.
They just billed us the Trade amount.


Cheers




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On 08/11/2019 13:55, Terry Casey wrote:
In article , Andrew97d-
says...


Howdens won't sell to the public. Or at least they never used to.
They only want to send an 'authorised' kitchen fitter round.


One of their fitters has the same name as me and the same
broadband supplier.

He also wanted the email address that already had, so was
obviously offered it with a 2 appended, which he accepted.

Howdens 'lost' the 2 and started sending me his quotations -
shiowing his 80% + discount!


Neighbour who is ex-MOT tester and garage owner still fixes
cars in his retirement. He has an account with the local
car parts supplier and all the invoices that I see lying
around his garage show two columns, trade and 'retail' (or
SRP these days). The latter is typically 80% up on the trade
price.

If we use Howdens for our new kitchen, that information could
be useful to know!

In article ,
wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

IKEA. I've got a few of their cupboards.

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On 07/11/2019 12:06, wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

I have used Wickes, SF, and Ikea... all ok IME. The SF ones came
pre-assembled, which saved time, but less easy to store prior to install.

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On 07/11/2019 12:40, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:06, wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy
kitchen cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

I have used Wickes, SF, and Ikea... all ok IME. The SF ones came
pre-assembled, which saved time, but less easy to store prior to install.

I was hoping to find a supplier with water resistant MDF or chipboard
cores and a choice of melamine thickness but, so far, I haven't find
any. Is there any discernible difference between the cabinets you've used?

On 07/11/2019 13:14, wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:40, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:06, wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy
kitchen cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix
- has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

I have used Wickes, SF, and Ikea... all ok IME. The SF ones came
pre-assembled, which saved time, but less easy to store prior to install.

I was hoping to find a supplier with water resistant MDF or chipboard
cores and a choice of melamine thickness but, so far, I haven't find
any. Is there any discernible difference between the cabinets you've used?

That is what I want. Doors and perhaps to a lesser extent carcasses that
don't mind being got wet.

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On 07/11/2019 14:12, Michael Chare wrote:
On 07/11/2019 13:14, wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:40, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:06, wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy
kitchen cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix
- has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

I have used Wickes, SF, and Ikea... all ok IME. The SF ones came
pre-assembled, which saved time, but less easy to store prior to
install.

I was hoping to find a supplier with water resistant MDF or chipboard
cores and a choice of melamine thickness but, so far, I haven't find
any. Is there any discernible difference between the cabinets you've
used?

That is what I want. Doors and perhaps to a lesser extent carcasses that
don't mind being got wet.


The ones I have, IIRC luca, are completely covered in plastic. So they
will be water proof as long as you seal anywhere you cut or drill.

As for carcasses silicon sealer works wonders on the joints.

On Thursday, 7 November 2019 15:08:01 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 07/11/2019 14:12, Michael Chare wrote:
On 07/11/2019 13:14, wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:40, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:06, wrote:

The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy
kitchen cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix
- has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

I have used Wickes, SF, and Ikea... all ok IME. The SF ones came
pre-assembled, which saved time, but less easy to store prior to
install.

I was hoping to find a supplier with water resistant MDF or chipboard
cores and a choice of melamine thickness but, so far, I haven't find
any. Is there any discernible difference between the cabinets you've
used?

That is what I want. Doors and perhaps to a lesser extent carcasses that
don't mind being got wet.


The ones I have, IIRC luca, are completely covered in plastic. So they
will be water proof as long as you seal anywhere you cut or drill.

As for carcasses silicon sealer works wonders on the joints.

for a limited time, sure. It makes more sense to not build with that kind of junk though.

On 07/11/2019 12:06, wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

FWIW for my last one I used B&Q, the quality seemed OK and they have
stood up well for ten years or so, they also had a wide range of sizes
and styles. I think I got the worktops there as well. But I wouldn't
normally buy anything there. IME Ikea stuff is well made and good value.

On 07/11/2019 12:06, wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?
In a sense they are all chipboard, and therefore all share the same
fatal flaw - they will be destroyed by damp or water. I have bought B&Q
before.
TW

TimW wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:06, wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?
In a sense they are all chipboard, and therefore all share the same
fatal flaw - they will be destroyed by damp or water. I have bought B&Q
before.

Some are MDF now, one I recently assembled was all MDF. Still suffers
from damp of course but maybe not quite as much as chipboard does.

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On 07/11/2019 12:47, TimW wrote:
On 07/11/2019 12:06, wrote:
The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy
kitchen cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?
In a sense they are all chipboard, and therefore all share the same
fatal flaw - they will be destroyed by damp or water. I have bought B&Q
before.
TW

And that includes steam from a kettle in my experience.

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 12:06:34 +0000, nothanks wrote:

The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

Benchmarx.

Near us they are next door to Howdens, but deal with retail, which Howdens
are sometimes a bit fussy about.

They have the good points of Howdens - the carcases come ready assembled
and are held in stock.
So you can have your units the next day, usually, and if there is a
problem they can swap a unit out and have the replacement with you
immediately.

A long time since I looked at B&Q but at one time you waited for 6 weeks
for the delivery, and another 6 weeks to replace anything missing or
damaged.

To date, pleased with both them and Howdens.

They also refund if you over order or have to change stuff.
We just took back the drawer handles (too big) and bought some from
Howdens next door. We expect to return a couple of decor panels for a
refund as well.


Cheers



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On 07/11/2019 14:42, David wrote:

Benchmarx.

Near us they are next door to Howdens, but deal with retail, which Howdens
are sometimes a bit fussy about.


Eh? They have them in the local Travis Perkins. Wouldn't even talk to me
unless I had a kitchen fitter whom they quote through. One reason we
went all the way to Pontefract to look at DIY-Kitchens.

Perhaps the dedicated showrooms are different.

On 07/11/2019 15:08, Andrew May wrote:
On 07/11/2019 14:42, David wrote:

Benchmarx.

Near us they are next door to Howdens, but deal with retail, which
Howdens
are sometimes a bit fussy about.


Eh? They have them in the local Travis Perkins. Wouldn't even talk to me
unless I had a kitchen fitter whom they quote through. One reason we
went all the way to Pontefract to look at DIY-Kitchens.

Perhaps the dedicated showrooms are different.

From their website:

"If you haven't already appointed a kitchen installer, now's the time to
find one. We sell to the trade because we believe you will get the best
possible results if your kitchen is installed by an experienced
tradesperson."

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 15:14:03 +0000, Andrew May wrote:

On 07/11/2019 15:08, Andrew May wrote:
On 07/11/2019 14:42, David wrote:

Benchmarx.

Near us they are next door to Howdens, but deal with retail, which
Howdens are sometimes a bit fussy about.


Eh? They have them in the local Travis Perkins. Wouldn't even talk to
me unless I had a kitchen fitter whom they quote through. One reason we
went all the way to Pontefract to look at DIY-Kitchens.

Perhaps the dedicated showrooms are different.

From their website:

"If you haven't already appointed a kitchen installer, now's the time to
find one. We sell to the trade because we believe you will get the best
possible results if your kitchen is installed by an experienced
tradesperson."

Must be regional (or some places they are flexible).
It might help that I have a TP trade account.
However they seemed to be no problem in selling to me.
I also bought drawer handles from Howdens without an account. One off sale.

Cheers




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On Thursday, 7 November 2019 12:06:39 UTC, wrote:

The next in a long-running series of questions ... where to buy kitchen
cupboard carcasses?
My list so far has Howdens, B&Q (not impressed), Wickes and Screwfix -
has anyone here got any recommendations (or the opposite)?

For standard chipboard, you may as well use gumtree facebook freecycle freegle etc and add your own doors. If you want water tolerant carcasses, afaik you'd need to make your own. Wood frame or a suitable ply or OSB. Or go concrete.


NT

On 07/11/2019 15:07, wrote:
If you want water tolerant carcasses, afaik you'd need to make your own. Wood frame or a suitable ply or OSB.

I think that ply may be the way to go. My local Builders Depot has a
large and very accurate machine for cutting up the panels. What I'm not
sure about is whether the edges of the ply panels would look okay if
painted or varnished, or whether you would have to lip them all with
solid wood?

On 07/11/2019 15:31, GB wrote:
On 07/11/2019 15:07, wrote:
If you want water tolerant carcasses, afaik you'd need to make your
own. Wood frame or a suitable ply or OSB.

I think that ply may be the way to go. My local Builders Depot has a
large and very accurate machine for cutting up the panels. What I'm not
sure about is whether the edges of the ply panels would look okay if
painted or varnished, or whether you would have to lip them all with
solid wood?

If you use a filler primer or just a thick acrylic and sand between 2
coats they will look good


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On 07/11/2019 15:31, GB wrote:
On 07/11/2019 15:07, wrote:
If you want water tolerant carcasses, afaik you'd need to make your
own. Wood frame or a suitable ply or OSB.

I think that ply may be the way to go. My local Builders Depot has a
large and very accurate machine for cutting up the panels. What I'm not
sure about is whether the edges of the ply panels would look okay if
painted or varnished, or whether you would have to lip them all with
solid wood?

A lot of cabinetry like that - made from ply with bare edges - on Grand
Designs last night.

Andrew May wrote:

GB wrote:

What I'm not sure about is whether the edges of the ply panels
would look okay if painted or varnished, or whether you would have
to lip them all with solid wood?

A lot of cabinetry like that - made from ply with bare edges - on Grand
Designs last night.

Bet it wasn't el-cheapo grade plywood though ...

On 07/11/2019 16:36, Andy Burns wrote:

Andrew May wrote:

GB wrote:

What I'm not sure about is whether the edges of the ply panels
would look okay if painted or varnished, or whether you would have
to lip them all with solid wood?

A lot of cabinetry like that - made from ply with bare edges - on
Grand Designs last night.

Bet it wasn't el-cheapo grade plywood though ...
I only saw the 'reveal' but think they said 30-grand for all of it. This
was more that just a kitchen mind you. But yes, it looked like 18mm
scandinavian ply. Possibly a high quality one with limited voids.