We have an Arctis freezer - not sure what model, but it's a tall one about 5
feet high, which was left by the previous owners of the house.

The temperature on the display used to be constant at -18 degrees C, but
over the past couple of weeks it's started fluctuating between -18 and -12
over the course of several hours. The times when it is showing a warmer
temperature are not necessarily when it has been opened; nor are they times
when the room is warmer, either because of sunlight or daily variations in
the temperature of the Aga (which also came with the house). There are times
when it's showing -12 but the compressor isn't running, so it's not as if
the refrigeration mechanism is struggling to achieve the temperature that
the thermostat is set at.

Do freezers tend to show a higher temperature on the display when they are
going through a periodic "frost free" thawing stage? How frequently do
freezers typically do a frost-free cycle - daily, weekly?

I've not checked with a thermometer to see if the actual internal
temperature (in a consistent location) varies - ie whether it's the display
or the cooling which are varying.

I've never noticed our own Samsung freezer which we brought with us
displaying a temperature which varies by more than +/- 1 deg C from the -18
that it is set at.

NY wrote:
We have an Arctis freezer - not sure what model, but it's a tall one
about 5 feet high, which was left by the previous owners of the house.

The temperature on the display used to be constant at -18 degrees C,
but over the past couple of weeks it's started fluctuating between
-18 and -12 over the course of several hours. The times when it is
showing a warmer temperature are not necessarily when it has been
opened; nor are they times when the room is warmer, either because of
sunlight or daily variations in the temperature of the Aga (which
also came with the house). There are times when it's showing -12 but
the compressor isn't running, so it's not as if the refrigeration
mechanism is struggling to achieve the temperature that the
thermostat is set at.
Do freezers tend to show a higher temperature on the display when
they are going through a periodic "frost free" thawing stage? How
frequently do freezers typically do a frost-free cycle - daily,
weekly?
I've not checked with a thermometer to see if the actual internal
temperature (in a consistent location) varies - ie whether it's the
display or the cooling which are varying.

I've never noticed our own Samsung freezer which we brought with us
displaying a temperature which varies by more than +/- 1 deg C from
the -18 that it is set at.

As far as I remember a frost free will go on defrost cycle every ? hours and
the temperature will go up in the cabinet. The increase in temperature is
only to be expected. Don't get paranoid.

Older freezers were not as well insulated and insulation can go leaky over
time due to ingress of damp or any kind of seal issue. I'd have thought
that -12 if confirmed is probably just the self defrosting. Mine does this
and nothing has poisoned me as yet.
Brian

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"NY" wrote in message
...
We have an Arctis freezer - not sure what model, but it's a tall one about
5 feet high, which was left by the previous owners of the house.

The temperature on the display used to be constant at -18 degrees C, but
over the past couple of weeks it's started fluctuating between -18 and -12
over the course of several hours. The times when it is showing a warmer
temperature are not necessarily when it has been opened; nor are they
times when the room is warmer, either because of sunlight or daily
variations in the temperature of the Aga (which also came with the house).
There are times when it's showing -12 but the compressor isn't running, so
it's not as if the refrigeration mechanism is struggling to achieve the
temperature that the thermostat is set at.

Do freezers tend to show a higher temperature on the display when they are
going through a periodic "frost free" thawing stage? How frequently do
freezers typically do a frost-free cycle - daily, weekly?

I've not checked with a thermometer to see if the actual internal
temperature (in a consistent location) varies - ie whether it's the
display or the cooling which are varying.

I've never noticed our own Samsung freezer which we brought with us
displaying a temperature which varies by more than +/- 1 deg C from
the -18 that it is set at.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Older freezers were not as well insulated and insulation can go leaky over
time due to ingress of damp or any kind of seal issue. I'd have thought
that -12 if confirmed is probably just the self defrosting. Mine does this
and nothing has poisoned me as yet.

I too work on the basis of "I've not been poisoned yet so it must be OK".
The fact that the temperature returns to -18 after a hour or so and that it
isn't worse when the kitchen ambient temperature is warmer, suggests that
it's not leaky seals. Ice cream shows no sign of large ice crystals that
you get if it's partly thawed.

Odd that we've only started noticing it recently, when I presume its been
doing its self-defrosting cycles for the past 2 months since we've lived
here. Perhaps we're just not very observant...

NY wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Older freezers were not as well insulated and insulation can go leaky over
time due to ingress of damp or any kind of seal issue. I'd have thought
that -12 if confirmed is probably just the self defrosting. Mine does this
and nothing has poisoned me as yet.

I too work on the basis of "I've not been poisoned yet so it must be OK".
The fact that the temperature returns to -18 after a hour or so and that it
isn't worse when the kitchen ambient temperature is warmer, suggests that
it's not leaky seals. Ice cream shows no sign of large ice crystals that
you get if it's partly thawed.

Odd that we've only started noticing it recently, when I presume its been
doing its self-defrosting cycles for the past 2 months since we've lived
here. Perhaps we're just not very observant...



Ive never noticed an auto defrost cycle other then when it failed- the
heated was on too long. That was caused by a timer that got stuck - at
least that was Whirlpools diagnosis (it was under warranty). It was
troublesome before it failed so dramatically and defrosted everything.

The timer was just a simple mechanical device which turned on a small
heater every for a set time periodically. I dont think it even sensed the
ice build up.

On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:17:24 UTC+1, NY wrote:
We have an Arctis freezer - not sure what model, but it's a tall one about 5
feet high, which was left by the previous owners of the house.

The temperature on the display used to be constant at -18 degrees C, but
over the past couple of weeks it's started fluctuating between -18 and -12
over the course of several hours. The times when it is showing a warmer
temperature are not necessarily when it has been opened; nor are they times
when the room is warmer, either because of sunlight or daily variations in
the temperature of the Aga (which also came with the house). There are times
when it's showing -12 but the compressor isn't running, so it's not as if
the refrigeration mechanism is struggling to achieve the temperature that
the thermostat is set at.

Do freezers tend to show a higher temperature on the display when they are
going through a periodic "frost free" thawing stage? How frequently do
freezers typically do a frost-free cycle - daily, weekly?

I've not checked with a thermometer to see if the actual internal
temperature (in a consistent location) varies - ie whether it's the display
or the cooling which are varying.

I've never noticed our own Samsung freezer which we brought with us
displaying a temperature which varies by more than +/- 1 deg C from the -18
that it is set at.

If it's a frost free, this behaviour is normal, it's doing a defrost cycle.


NT

"NY" wrote in message
...
We have an Arctis freezer - not sure what model, but it's a tall one about
5 feet high, which was left by the previous owners of the house.

The temperature on the display used to be constant at -18 degrees C, but
over the past couple of weeks it's started fluctuating between -18 and -12
over the course of several hours. The times when it is showing a warmer
temperature are not necessarily when it has been opened; nor are they
times when the room is warmer, either because of sunlight or daily
variations in the temperature of the Aga (which also came with the house).
There are times when it's showing -12 but the compressor isn't running, so
it's not as if the refrigeration mechanism is struggling to achieve the
temperature that the thermostat is set at.

Do freezers tend to show a higher temperature on the display when they are
going through a periodic "frost free" thawing stage?

That’s not frost free, that’s cyclic defrost. Frost free pumps very
cold air into the freezer and never have a thawing stage. That’s
where the name comes from, there never is any frost to thaw.

How frequently do freezers typically do a frost-free cycle - daily,
weekly?

I've not checked with a thermometer to see if the actual internal
temperature (in a consistent location) varies - ie whether it's the
display or the cooling which are varying.

I've never noticed our own Samsung freezer which we brought with us
displaying a temperature which varies by more than +/- 1 deg C from
the -18 that it is set at.

Rod Speed wrote:
"NY" wrote in message
...
We have an Arctis freezer - not sure what model, but it's a tall one
about 5 feet high, which was left by the previous owners of the
house. The temperature on the display used to be constant at -18 degrees
C,
but over the past couple of weeks it's started fluctuating between
-18 and -12 over the course of several hours. The times when it is
showing a warmer temperature are not necessarily when it has been
opened; nor are they times when the room is warmer, either because
of sunlight or daily variations in the temperature of the Aga (which
also came with the house). There are times when it's showing -12 but
the compressor isn't running, so it's not as if the refrigeration
mechanism is struggling to achieve the temperature that the
thermostat is set at.

Do freezers tend to show a higher temperature on the display when
they are going through a periodic "frost free" thawing stage?

That’s not frost free, that’s cyclic defrost. Frost free pumps very
cold air into the freezer and never have a thawing stage. That’s
where the name comes from, there never is any frost to thaw.

Really?

"Frost-Free" refrigerator/freezer units usually use a heating element to
defrost their evaporators, a pan to collect and evaporate water from the
frost that melts from the cold plate and/or evaporator coil, a timer which
turns off the compressor and turns on the defrost element usually from once
to 4 times a day for ...

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:59:29 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Do freezers tend to show a higher temperature on the display when they are
going through a periodic "frost free" thawing stage?

That¢s not frost free, that¢s cyclic defrost.

More bull**** from the "all-knowing" senile Australian bull**** artist!
Reserve your "wisdom" for Australian ngs, you trolling senile asshole from
Oz!

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"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote:
"NY" wrote in message
...
We have an Arctis freezer - not sure what model, but it's a tall one
about 5 feet high, which was left by the previous owners of the
house. The temperature on the display used to be constant at -18 degrees
C,
but over the past couple of weeks it's started fluctuating between
-18 and -12 over the course of several hours. The times when it is
showing a warmer temperature are not necessarily when it has been
opened; nor are they times when the room is warmer, either because
of sunlight or daily variations in the temperature of the Aga (which
also came with the house). There are times when it's showing -12 but
the compressor isn't running, so it's not as if the refrigeration
mechanism is struggling to achieve the temperature that the
thermostat is set at.

Do freezers tend to show a higher temperature on the display when
they are going through a periodic "frost free" thawing stage?

That’s not frost free, that’s cyclic defrost. Frost free pumps very
cold air into the freezer and never have a thawing stage. That’s
where the name comes from, there never is any frost to thaw.

Really?

"Frost-Free" refrigerator/freezer units usually use a heating element to
defrost their evaporators, a pan to collect and evaporate water from the
frost that melts from the cold plate and/or evaporator coil, a timer which
turns off the compressor and turns on the defrost element usually from
once to 4 times a day for ...

Nope, that’s cyclic defrost, as I said.

On Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:07:01 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"NY" wrote in message
...
We have an Arctis freezer - not sure what model, but it's a tall one about
5 feet high, which was left by the previous owners of the house.

The temperature on the display used to be constant at -18 degrees C, but
over the past couple of weeks it's started fluctuating between -18 and -12
over the course of several hours. The times when it is showing a warmer
temperature are not necessarily when it has been opened; nor are they
times when the room is warmer, either because of sunlight or daily
variations in the temperature of the Aga (which also came with the house).
There are times when it's showing -12 but the compressor isn't running, so
it's not as if the refrigeration mechanism is struggling to achieve the
temperature that the thermostat is set at.

Do freezers tend to show a higher temperature on the display when they are
going through a periodic "frost free" thawing stage?

Thats not frost free, thats cyclic defrost. Frost free pumps very
cold air into the freezer and never have a thawing stage. Thats
where the name comes from, there never is any frost to thaw.

wrong as always. What's new.

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:14:31 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Really?

"Frost-Free" refrigerator/freezer units usually use a heating element to
defrost their evaporators, a pan to collect and evaporate water from the
frost that melts from the cold plate and/or evaporator coil, a timer which
turns off the compressor and turns on the defrost element usually from
once to 4 times a day for ...

Nope, that¢s cyclic defrost, as I said.

Nope, senile Australian idiot: it's ALSO "frost-free"!

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On 13/08/2019 21:21, NY wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Older freezers were not as well insulated and insulation can go leaky
over time due to ingress of damp or any kind of seal issue. I'd have
thought that -12 if confirmed is probably just the self defrosting.
Mine does this and nothing has poisoned me as yet.

I too work on the basis of "I've not been poisoned yet so it must be
OK". The fact that the temperature returns to -18 after a hour or so and
that it isn't worse when the kitchen ambient temperature is warmer,
suggests that it's not leaky seals.* Ice cream shows no sign of large
ice crystals that you get if it's partly thawed.

Odd that we've only started noticing it recently, when I presume its
been doing its self-defrosting cycles for the past 2 months since we've
lived here. Perhaps we're just not very observant...

Could be because the voltage is varying more than it used to.

On Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:38:31 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On 13/08/2019 21:21, NY wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Older freezers were not as well insulated and insulation can go leaky
over time due to ingress of damp or any kind of seal issue. I'd have
thought that -12 if confirmed is probably just the self defrosting.
Mine does this and nothing has poisoned me as yet.

I too work on the basis of "I've not been poisoned yet so it must be
OK". The fact that the temperature returns to -18 after a hour or so and
that it isn't worse when the kitchen ambient temperature is warmer,
suggests that it's not leaky seals.Â* Ice cream shows no sign of large
ice crystals that you get if it's partly thawed.

Odd that we've only started noticing it recently, when I presume its
been doing its self-defrosting cycles for the past 2 months since we've
lived here. Perhaps we're just not very observant...

Could be because the voltage is varying more than it used to.

it could not.

"NY" wrote in message
...
We have an Arctis freezer - not sure what model, but it's a tall one about
5 feet high, which was left by the previous owners of the house.

The temperature on the display used to be constant at -18 degrees C, but
over the past couple of weeks it's started fluctuating between -18 and -12
over the course of several hours. The times when it is showing a warmer
temperature are not necessarily when it has been opened; nor are they
times when the room is warmer, either because of sunlight or daily
variations in the temperature of the Aga (which also came with the house).
There are times when it's showing -12 but the compressor isn't running, so
it's not as if the refrigeration mechanism is struggling to achieve the
temperature that the thermostat is set at.

The latest in the saga of the freezer...

We noticed that it was spending longer and longer at around -14 to -12, and
less and less time at -18. Then last night the alarm went off because the
temperature had reached -11.

So we hastily moved everything into other freezers (including starting up
one that we used to use only in the summer for freezing all the veg and
fruit that we grew) and turned the misbehaving one off. When I investigated
behind a bit of trim I found that the cooling pipes in the freezer
compartment were surrounded by a large block of ice. So much for frost free
;-)

Having left the freezer off overnight, about a litre of water collected in
the vessel where it normally collects during the thaw cycle and then
evaporates in the heat of the compressor.

It looks as if the freeze/thaw cycles had stopped working properly and the
freezer was never defrosting properly before the thermostat started another
freeze cycle.

It's cooling down again now (it's gone from +21 to +8 so far) so I'll see
whether it gets to -18 and stays there. And if it starts doing it again in
the future, at least I'll know what to check.

On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 09:32:27 UTC+1, NY wrote:
"NY" wrote in message
...
We have an Arctis freezer - not sure what model, but it's a tall one about
5 feet high, which was left by the previous owners of the house.

The temperature on the display used to be constant at -18 degrees C, but
over the past couple of weeks it's started fluctuating between -18 and -12
over the course of several hours. The times when it is showing a warmer
temperature are not necessarily when it has been opened; nor are they
times when the room is warmer, either because of sunlight or daily
variations in the temperature of the Aga (which also came with the house).
There are times when it's showing -12 but the compressor isn't running, so
it's not as if the refrigeration mechanism is struggling to achieve the
temperature that the thermostat is set at.

The latest in the saga of the freezer...

We noticed that it was spending longer and longer at around -14 to -12, and
less and less time at -18. Then last night the alarm went off because the
temperature had reached -11.

So we hastily moved everything into other freezers (including starting up
one that we used to use only in the summer for freezing all the veg and
fruit that we grew) and turned the misbehaving one off. When I investigated
behind a bit of trim I found that the cooling pipes in the freezer
compartment were surrounded by a large block of ice. So much for frost free
;-)

Having left the freezer off overnight, about a litre of water collected in
the vessel where it normally collects during the thaw cycle and then
evaporates in the heat of the compressor.

It looks as if the freeze/thaw cycles had stopped working properly and the
freezer was never defrosting properly before the thermostat started another
freeze cycle.

It's cooling down again now (it's gone from +21 to +8 so far) so I'll see
whether it gets to -18 and stays there. And if it starts doing it again in
the future, at least I'll know what to check.

It typically takes more than overnight to defrost it all, so expect a repeat soon


NT

wrote in message
...

It typically takes more than overnight to defrost it all, so expect a
repeat soon

Ah... The cooling pipes that were visible in a heat exchanger at the top of
the freezer compartment looked completely clear of ice, and no more water
was dripping down the drain pipe into the heated vessel above the
compressor. I wonder if I should have left it a bit longer. I thought that
about 12 hours at 20 deg C would have melted all the ice.

So far, the freezer is at about fridge temperature, so it's got a long way
to go.

On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 10:05:07 UTC+1, NY wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...

It typically takes more than overnight to defrost it all, so expect a
repeat soon

Ah... The cooling pipes that were visible in a heat exchanger at the top of
the freezer compartment looked completely clear of ice, and no more water
was dripping down the drain pipe into the heated vessel above the
compressor. I wonder if I should have left it a bit longer. I thought that
about 12 hours at 20 deg C would have melted all the ice.

So far, the freezer is at about fridge temperature, so it's got a long way
to go.

Maybe you're right in this case. In frost frees where the ice builds up is normally insulated. But if it stopped melting... fairy nuff.


NT