There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another thousand years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

It has to be 4 to 6 feet deep to be downhill from existing sewer pipes, and to get into the field.

One of the neighbors wrote yesterday:
"Priority 1 is to stop the rain water flow into septic tank
Priority 2, ensure sewage conduit to tank is not blocked (take down beech tree or find another conduit)"

Today I emailed the council to get a Tree Preservation Order.

There's a new septic law coming in next January:

https://www.struttandparker.com/know...nk-regulations
says:
"Under the GBRs, anyone with a septic tank discharging into a watercourse must replace it or upgrade it by 1 January 2020, or sooner if the property is sold before this date, or if the Environment Agency (EA) finds that it is causing pollution."

George

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another HUNDRED years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 10:26:09 PM UTC+1, George Miles wrote:
There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another thousand years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

It has to be 4 to 6 feet deep to be downhill from existing sewer pipes, and to get into the field.

One of the neighbors wrote yesterday:
"Priority 1 is to stop the rain water flow into septic tank
Priority 2, ensure sewage conduit to tank is not blocked (take down beech tree or find another conduit)"

Today I emailed the council to get a Tree Preservation Order.

There's a new septic law coming in next January:

https://www.struttandparker.com/know...nk-regulations
says:
"Under the GBRs, anyone with a septic tank discharging into a watercourse must replace it or upgrade it by 1 January 2020, or sooner if the property is sold before this date, or if the Environment Agency (EA) finds that it is causing pollution."

George

George Miles Wrote in message:
So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another HUNDRED years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 10:26:09 PM UTC+1, George Miles wrote:
There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another thousand years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

It has to be 4 to 6 feet deep to be downhill from existing sewer pipes, and to get into the field.

One of the neighbors wrote yesterday:
"Priority 1 is to stop the rain water flow into septic tank
Priority 2, ensure sewage conduit to tank is not blocked (take down beech tree or find another conduit)"

Today I emailed the council to get a Tree Preservation Order.

There's a new septic law coming in next January:

https://www.struttandparker.com/know...nk-regulations
says:
"Under the GBRs, anyone with a septic tank discharging into a watercourse must replace it or upgrade it by 1 January 2020, or sooner if the property is sold before this date, or if the Environment Agency (EA) finds that it is causing pollution."

George



Get the existing pipe internally sleeved?
How will trimming a few roots in a pipe kill a huge tree?

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I think digging a trench for a new pipe would kill half the roots.

I'm told the pipe at 6 inches is a bit to thin for relining as it serves 7 properties

G

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 10:38:52 PM UTC+1, JimK wrote:
George Miles Wrote in message:
So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another HUNDRED years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 10:26:09 PM UTC+1, George Miles wrote:
There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another thousand years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

It has to be 4 to 6 feet deep to be downhill from existing sewer pipes, and to get into the field.

One of the neighbors wrote yesterday:
"Priority 1 is to stop the rain water flow into septic tank
Priority 2, ensure sewage conduit to tank is not blocked (take down beech tree or find another conduit)"

Today I emailed the council to get a Tree Preservation Order.

There's a new septic law coming in next January:

https://www.struttandparker.com/know...nk-regulations
says:
"Under the GBRs, anyone with a septic tank discharging into a watercourse must replace it or upgrade it by 1 January 2020, or sooner if the property is sold before this date, or if the Environment Agency (EA) finds that it is causing pollution."

George



Get the existing pipe internally sleeved?
How will trimming a few roots in a pipe kill a huge tree?

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On Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:51:57 UTC+1, George Miles wrote:
On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 10:38:52 PM UTC+1, JimK wrote:
George Miles Wrote in message:
So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another HUNDRED years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 10:26:09 PM UTC+1, George Miles wrote:
There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another thousand years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

It has to be 4 to 6 feet deep to be downhill from existing sewer pipes, and to get into the field.

One of the neighbors wrote yesterday:
"Priority 1 is to stop the rain water flow into septic tank
Priority 2, ensure sewage conduit to tank is not blocked (take down beech tree or find another conduit)"

Today I emailed the council to get a Tree Preservation Order.

There's a new septic law coming in next January:

https://www.struttandparker.com/know...nk-regulations
says:
"Under the GBRs, anyone with a septic tank discharging into a watercourse must replace it or upgrade it by 1 January 2020, or sooner if the property is sold before this date, or if the Environment Agency (EA) finds that it is causing pollution."

George



Get the existing pipe internally sleeved?
How will trimming a few roots in a pipe kill a huge tree?

I think digging a trench for a new pipe would kill half the roots.

I'm told the pipe at 6 inches is a bit to thin for relining as it serves 7 properties

G

Then you've answered your question, there is only 1 other option, reroute it


NT

On Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:26:09 UTC+1, George Miles wrote:
There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another thousand years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

It has to be 4 to 6 feet deep to be downhill from existing sewer pipes, and to get into the field.

One of the neighbors wrote yesterday:
"Priority 1 is to stop the rain water flow into septic tank
Priority 2, ensure sewage conduit to tank is not blocked (take down beech tree or find another conduit)"

Today I emailed the council to get a Tree Preservation Order.

There's a new septic law coming in next January:

https://www.struttandparker.com/know...nk-regulations
says:
"Under the GBRs, anyone with a septic tank discharging into a watercourse must replace it or upgrade it by 1 January 2020, or sooner if the property is sold before this date, or if the Environment Agency (EA) finds that it is causing pollution."


Not a problem (Only money)
Horizontal boring machines.
Eg:-
http://www.trenchlesssolutions.co.uk...onal-drilling/

George Miles Wrote in message:
I think digging a trench for a new pipe would kill half the roots.

I'm told the pipe at 6 inches is a bit to thin for relining as it serves 7 properties

G

Told by the one who wants to drop your tree?

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Well, I'm afraid the cheap option is indeed to remove the tree. If the roots
use the pipe for water even if you route around it with your new pipe, the
tree will probably have issues due to the lack of water supply.
Its a tough one to call.
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"George Miles" wrote in message
...
There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will
last another thousand years without chopping the roots and killing the
tree?

It has to be 4 to 6 feet deep to be downhill from existing sewer pipes,
and to get into the field.

One of the neighbors wrote yesterday:
"Priority 1 is to stop the rain water flow into septic tank
Priority 2, ensure sewage conduit to tank is not blocked (take down beech
tree or find another conduit)"

Today I emailed the council to get a Tree Preservation Order.

There's a new septic law coming in next January:

https://www.struttandparker.com/know...nk-regulations
says:
"Under the GBRs, anyone with a septic tank discharging into a watercourse
must replace it or upgrade it by 1 January 2020, or sooner if the property
is sold before this date, or if the Environment Agency (EA) finds that it
is causing pollution."

George

On 19/04/2019 07:30, Jim K.. wrote:
George Miles Wrote in message:
I think digging a trench for a new pipe would kill half the roots.

I'm told the pipe at 6 inches is a bit to thin for relining as it serves 7 properties

G

Told by the one who wants to drop your tree?


Around here the cable company had to hand dig trenches so they didn't
cut the tree roots with a digger.

It is quite possible to dig a trench and leave the roots crossing it and
then thread the pipe through with minimal damage to the tree.

The same as they do with multiple services crossing the pipe.

It just costs money.

You may have to make the trench longer to get the pipe in.

On 18/04/2019 22:51, George Miles wrote:


On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 10:38:52 PM UTC+1, JimK wrote:
George Wrote in message:
So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another HUNDRED years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 10:26:09 PM UTC+1, George Miles wrote:
There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another thousand years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

It has to be 4 to 6 feet deep to be downhill from existing sewer pipes, and to get into the field.

One of the neighbors wrote yesterday:
"Priority 1 is to stop the rain water flow into septic tank
Priority 2, ensure sewage conduit to tank is not blocked (take down beech tree or find another conduit)"

Today I emailed the council to get a Tree Preservation Order.

There's a new septic law coming in next January:

https://www.struttandparker.com/know...nk-regulations
says:
"Under the GBRs, anyone with a septic tank discharging into a watercourse must replace it or upgrade it by 1 January 2020, or sooner if the property is sold before this date, or if the Environment Agency (EA) finds that it is causing pollution."

George



Get the existing pipe internally sleeved?
How will trimming a few roots in a pipe kill a huge tree?

--
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I think digging a trench for a new pipe would kill half the roots.

But there's no need for that.

I'm told the pipe at 6 inches is a bit to(o) thin for relining as it serves 7 properties


Rubbish! Who told you that? Have you had the pipe surveyed with a
camera? Chances are that there is a tangle of very fine roots which have
got in through the joints in the clay pipe. These can easily be removed
by rotating cutters which can be fed along the pipe
from a manhole without needing any digging.

Then the pipe can be lined with a soft glass fibre-impregnated sleeve,
fed in using air pressure, which than cures and makes a rigid lining. It
doesn't reduce the diameter by much. we have a 4" pipe feeding into a
manhole in our garden, which serves far more than 7 houses. This had to
be lined a few years ago, with no ill effects.
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On 18/04/2019 22:38, Jim K.. wrote:
George Miles Wrote in message:
So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another HUNDRED years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 10:26:09 PM UTC+1, George Miles wrote:
There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another thousand years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

It has to be 4 to 6 feet deep to be downhill from existing sewer pipes, and to get into the field.

One of the neighbors wrote yesterday:
"Priority 1 is to stop the rain water flow into septic tank
Priority 2, ensure sewage conduit to tank is not blocked (take down beech tree or find another conduit)"

Today I emailed the council to get a Tree Preservation Order.

There's a new septic law coming in next January:

https://www.struttandparker.com/know...nk-regulations
says:
"Under the GBRs, anyone with a septic tank discharging into a watercourse must replace it or upgrade it by 1 January 2020, or sooner if the property is sold before this date, or if the Environment Agency (EA) finds that it is causing pollution."

George



Get the existing pipe internally sleeved?
How will trimming a few roots in a pipe kill a huge tree?


That's what I did with mine. Got quotes from two firms, one offering
polyester and the other epoxy (a bit more expensive). ALthough I would
normally have gone with epoxy, the cheaper firm impressed me a bit more
and I went with that. I was impressed how quickly they did it, and
managing quite limited access. It's been fine for getting on for ten years.

On 19/04/2019 10:00, dennis@home wrote:
On 19/04/2019 07:30, Jim K.. wrote:
George Miles Wrote in message:
I think digging a trench for a new pipe would kill half the roots.

I'm told the pipe at 6 inches is a bit to thin for relining as it
serves 7 properties

G

Told by the one who wants to drop your tree?


Around here the cable company had to hand dig trenches so they didn't
cut the tree roots with a digger.

It is quite possible to dig a trench and leave the roots crossing it and
then thread the pipe through with minimal damage to the tree.

The same as they do with multiple services crossing the pipe.

That's exactly what they did when installing cable in the surrounding
roads here (after complaints when they just cut straight through every
root in the way on the first couple of streets).

SteveW

On 18/04/2019 22:26, George Miles wrote:
There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which will last another thousand years without chopping the roots and killing the tree?

There won't be many structural roots at 6ft below ground. National Joint
Utility Group guidelines suggest how to excavate within the rooting zone
of a tree, it was perceived wisdom not to trench within a radius of four
times the girth of a tree. Even within that it should be possible to air
spade short sections and pass the pipe under.

I don't know much about excavations and it must depend on soil type but
I have heard of dragging a pipe along the route of an existing pipe by
using a wedge to burst and expand the hole of the existing pipe.

Beech have a life of 150 to 200 years so if it's that sort of age may as
well bite the bullet and fell it at the water company's expense.

AJH

On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 14:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
George Miles wrote:

There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which
will last another thousand years without chopping the roots and
killing the tree?

There are specialists who can clear a drain and line it with fibreglass
to avoid the need for extensive excavation, or you could have a new
drain installed using a similar technique. That way they only need an
access trench at the end points. Google "drain moling".

Rob Morley Wrote in message:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 14:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
George Miles wrote:

There's a huge Copper Beech tree ,
twice the height of the house,
but the old clay sewer pipe has roots in it.

So how to dig or bore a trench or tunnel for a new plastic pipe which
will last another thousand years without chopping the roots and
killing the tree?

There are specialists who can clear a drain and line it with fibreglass
to avoid the need for extensive excavation, or you could have a new
drain installed using a similar technique. That way they only need an
access trench at the end points. Google "drain moling".



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