I have just been nosing a planning approval for a local house, which is
to have a first floor bedroom added and a dining room. The dining room
is to be added at the back, to what was the French windows to the
garden.

The other end of the lounge is a wall with a door. Which basically
means the lounge will have no windows at all, no light apart from that
which comes through from the new dining room. Which means it will be
awfully dark in the lounge. I thought (living) rooms had to have some
natural source of light?

Maybe they are building a dungeon in there and don't want anybody to see?
On the other hand maybe not!

Does seen an add thing to do unless both are blind of course.
Brian

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I have just been nosing a planning approval for a local house, which is to
have a first floor bedroom added and a dining room. The dining room is to
be added at the back, to what was the French windows to the garden.

The other end of the lounge is a wall with a door. Which basically means
the lounge will have no windows at all, no light apart from that which
comes through from the new dining room. Which means it will be awfully
dark in the lounge. I thought (living) rooms had to have some natural
source of light?

On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 15:48:40 +0100
Harry Bloomfield wrote:

I have just been nosing a planning approval for a local house, which
is to have a first floor bedroom added and a dining room. The dining
room is to be added at the back, to what was the French windows to
the garden.

The other end of the lounge is a wall with a door. Which basically
means the lounge will have no windows at all, no light apart from
that which comes through from the new dining room. Which means it
will be awfully dark in the lounge. I thought (living) rooms had to
have some natural source of light?

You just have to call it a home cinema ...

On 03/04/2019 15:48, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I have just been nosing a planning approval for a local house, which is
to have a first floor bedroom added and a dining room. The dining room
is to be added at the back, to what was the French windows to the garden.

The other end of the lounge is a wall with a door. Which basically means
the lounge will have no windows at all, no light apart from that which
comes through from the new dining room. Which means it will be awfully
dark in the lounge. I thought (living) rooms had to have some natural
source of light?

be like all those living rooms where the conservatory/sun porch gets
insulated as per all those tv adverts ......

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be like all those living rooms where the conservatory/sun porch gets
insulated as per all those tv adverts ......

They will be buying head torches, to see where they are going :-)

On 03/04/2019 20:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... used his keyboard to write :
be like all those living rooms where the conservatory/sun porch gets
insulated as per all those tv adverts ......

They will be buying head torches, to see where they are going :-)

You may be surprised at the layout some people live with and
(presumably) get by building inspectors etc. While looking for
properties- mainly flats- over the years as potential purchases, I've
seen some very odd layouts. 'Stolen light' is a give away, it tends to
mean a window between two rooms, one of which doesn't have any other
natural light. As for the shape of rooms....

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On 03/04/2019 20:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... used his keyboard to write :
be like all those living rooms where the conservatory/sun porch gets
insulated as per all those tv adverts ......

They will be buying head torches, to see where they are going :-)

used to be the kitchens required 2% daylight factor living rooms 1% and
bedrooms 1/2 % ...these days kitchens require no daylight......they just
change regulations on a whim ...so why worry

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On 03/04/2019 20:34, Brian Reay wrote:
On 03/04/2019 20:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... used his keyboard to write :
be like all those living rooms where the conservatory/sun porch gets
insulated as per all those tv adverts ......

They will be buying head torches, to see where they are going :-)

You may be surprised at the layout some people live with and
(presumably) get by building inspectors etc. While looking for
properties- mainly flats- over the years as potential purchases,* I've
seen some very odd layouts.* 'Stolen light' is a give away, it tends to
mean a window between two rooms, one of which doesn't have any other
natural light. As for the shape of rooms....


Remember when window-lights (to distinguish from electric or gas lights)
over bedroom doors where a thing back in Edwardian and maybe earlier
times? Though that was to allow light into the hallway.

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The rules on windows seem much more relaxed these days. My daughter had a modern studio flat for a while, so lounge dining area and kitchen were one room must have been about 8m front to back with just one window at the front.. Being on the ground floor the kitchen area was always shaded and you virtually had to keep the lights on all the time when working in it.

Our bungalow is the opposite being a 70's build it has massive "picture" windows sold to the punters as a feature when in reality it was all about saving on extra brickworks. Our first house had a 12' X 6' lounge window virtually taking up one whole wall, we felt like goldfish when we sat in the room.

Richard

On Thursday, 4 April 2019 11:32:40 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
Remember when window-lights (to distinguish from electric or gas lights)
over bedroom doors where a thing back in Edwardian and maybe earlier
times? Though that was to allow light into the hallway.

My 1960s flat had them.

I've dropped the door architrave and plastered most of them in.

Owain

On 03/04/2019 15:48, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The other end of the lounge is a wall with a door. Which basically means
the lounge will have no windows at all

My neighbours ended up with this when they had an extension built. It
wouldn't work for me.

It happens that R D S formulated :
My neighbours ended up with this when they had an extension built. It
wouldn't work for me.

Nor me, which was why I mentioned it. It will be like living in a cave.
I like to be able to see out and get lots of light in. My windows are
just right, big enough, without being too big - we are not over looked.

Tricky Dicky wrote

The rules on windows seem much more relaxed these days.
My daughter had a modern studio flat for a while, so lounge
dining area and kitchen were one room must have been about
8m front to back with just one window at the front. Being on
the ground floor the kitchen area was always shaded and you
virtually had to keep the lights on all the time when working in it.

Our bungalow is the opposite being a 70's build it has massive
"picture" windows sold to the punters as a feature when in
reality it was all about saving on extra brickworks.

In fact massive great picture windows cost a lot more
than the brickwork that would otherwise be there.

Our first house had a 12' X 6' lounge window virtually taking up
one whole wall, we felt like goldfish when we sat in the room.

Mine has 3 8'x8' patio doors in a row with no wall
between them and I dont feel like a goldfish at all.

On 04/04/2019 18:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Tricky Dicky wrote

The rules on windows seem much more relaxed these days.
My daughter had a modern studio flat for a while, so lounge
dining area and kitchen were one room must have been about
8m front to back with just one window at the front. Being on
the ground floor the kitchen area was always shaded and you
virtually had to keep the lights on all the time when working in it.

Our bungalow is the opposite being a 70's build it has massive
"picture" windows sold to the punters as a feature when in
reality it was all about saving on extra brickworks.

In fact massive great picture windows cost a lot more
than the brickwork that would otherwise be there.

Our first house had a 12' X 6' lounge window virtually taking up
one whole wall, we felt like goldfish when we sat in the room.

Mine has 3 8'x8' patio doors in a row with no wall
between them and I dont feel like a goldfish at all.

not seen this part of the room before....tee hee

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On 04/04/2019 12:46, Tricky Dicky wrote:

it has massive "picture" windows


You are my late mother AICMFP!

She was the only person I knew who ever called such windows "picture
windows". Were she not well dead she'd be 100 this year. Thank you for
bringing her back to life for a moment :-)

On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 04:12:46 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Mine has 3 8'x8' patio doors in a row with no wall
between them and I don¢t feel like a goldfish at all.

That's the common room in your old people's home, you hallucinating,
85-year-old, senile pest!

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On Thursday, 4 April 2019 18:12:56 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Tricky Dicky wrote

The rules on windows seem much more relaxed these days.
My daughter had a modern studio flat for a while, so lounge
dining area and kitchen were one room must have been about
8m front to back with just one window at the front. Being on
the ground floor the kitchen area was always shaded and you
virtually had to keep the lights on all the time when working in it.

Our bungalow is the opposite being a 70's build it has massive
"picture" windows sold to the punters as a feature when in
reality it was all about saving on extra brickworks.

In fact massive great picture windows cost a lot more
than the brickwork that would otherwise be there.

Our first house had a 12' X 6' lounge window virtually taking up
one whole wall, we felt like goldfish when we sat in the room.

Mine has 3 8'x8' patio doors in a row with no wall
between them and I dont feel like a goldfish at all.

Goldfish never do. It would certainly explain some things.

On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 19:15:50 +0100
mm0fmf wrote:

On 04/04/2019 12:46, Tricky Dicky wrote:

it has massive "picture" windows


You are my late mother AICMFP!

She was the only person I knew who ever called such windows "picture
windows".

My mum called them that too, I think many people did at the time that
they were ever so modern, all light and minimalist.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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On 03/04/2019 20:34, Brian Reay wrote:
On 03/04/2019 20:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... used his keyboard to write :
be like all those living rooms where the conservatory/sun porch gets
insulated as per all those tv adverts ......

They will be buying head torches, to see where they are going :-)

You may be surprised at the layout some people live with and (presumably)
get by building inspectors etc. While looking for properties- mainly
flats- over the years as potential purchases, I've seen some very odd
layouts. 'Stolen light' is a give away, it tends to mean a window
between two rooms, one of which doesn't have any other natural light. As
for the shape of rooms....


Remember when window-lights (to distinguish from electric or gas lights)
over bedroom doors where a thing back in Edwardian and maybe earlier
times? Though that was to allow light into the hallway.

Oh is that what it's for

I always wondered

Our house was built in the 30s BTW

Sister's previous house that them was built in the 70s

tim

"mm0fmf" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2019 12:46, Tricky Dicky wrote:

it has massive "picture" windows


You are my late mother AICMFP!

She was the only person I knew who ever called such windows "picture
windows". Were she not well dead she'd be 100 this year. Thank you for
bringing her back to life for a moment :-)

I used the term for mine only yesterday

what else should I call them?

tim

On 05/04/2019 12:56, tim... wrote:


"mm0fmf" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2019 12:46, Tricky Dicky wrote:

it has massive "picture" windows


You are my late mother AICMFP!

She was the only person I knew who ever called such windows "picture
windows".Â* Were she not well dead she'd be 100 this year. Thank you
for bringing her back to life for a moment :-)

I used the term for mine only yesterday

what else should I call them?

"Windows"

I don't know why large windows became so popular in the 50s and 60s when
electric light was available and people rarely had double glazing
(unless they stuck polythene sheeting to the inside).

They went smaller later and people stuck fake leading on.

And people fitted fake panelled doors made of MDF (or whatever). Barry
Bucknell must have spun in his grave:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Bucknell#Criticism

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On 05/04/2019 12:55, tim... wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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Remember when window-lights (to distinguish from electric or gas
lights) over bedroom doors where a thing back in Edwardian and maybe
earlier times? Though that was to allow light into the hallway.

Oh is that what it's for

I always wondered

Our house was built in the 30s BTW

Sister's previous house that them was built in the 70s

I thought it was so the landing light lit the kiddies' bedrooms if they
were scared of the dark. And you can tell if you have left the light on
in the room. (A flat built in the late 80s I had had them.)

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"Max Demian" wrote in message
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On 05/04/2019 12:56, tim... wrote:


"mm0fmf" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2019 12:46, Tricky Dicky wrote:

it has massive "picture" windows


You are my late mother AICMFP!

She was the only person I knew who ever called such windows "picture
windows". Were she not well dead she'd be 100 this year. Thank you for
bringing her back to life for a moment :-)

I used the term for mine only yesterday

what else should I call them?

"Windows"

but I needed to identify the fact that they were full-wall height

tim

"Max Demian" wrote in message
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On 05/04/2019 12:55, tim... wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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Remember when window-lights (to distinguish from electric or gas lights)
over bedroom doors where a thing back in Edwardian and maybe earlier
times? Though that was to allow light into the hallway.

Oh is that what it's for

I always wondered

Our house was built in the 30s BTW

Sister's previous house that them was built in the 70s

I thought it was so the landing light lit the kiddies' bedrooms if they
were scared of the dark.

Not convinced that's a valid problem looking for this solution

And you can tell if you have left the light on in the room. (A flat built
in the late 80s I had had them.)

Most cases you can tell that because the light leaks around the door frame

tim



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On 06/04/2019 14:29, tim... wrote:


"Max Demian" wrote in message
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On 05/04/2019 12:56, tim... wrote:


"mm0fmf" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2019 12:46, Tricky Dicky wrote:

it has massive "picture" windows


You are my late mother AICMFP!

She was the only person I knew who ever called such windows "picture
windows".Â* Were she not well dead she'd be 100 this year. Thank you
for bringing her back to life for a moment :-)

I used the term for mine only yesterday

what else should I call them?

"Windows"

but I needed to identify the fact that they were full-wall height

AFAIK 'picture windows' are just big windows with few panes.

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"Max Demian" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/04/2019 12:56, tim... wrote:


"mm0fmf" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2019 12:46, Tricky Dicky wrote:

it has massive "picture" windows


You are my late mother AICMFP!

She was the only person I knew who ever called such windows "picture
windows". Were she not well dead she'd be 100 this year. Thank you for
bringing her back to life for a moment :-)

I used the term for mine only yesterday

what else should I call them?

"Windows"

I don't know why large windows became so popular in the 50s and 60s when
electric light was available and people rarely had double glazing (unless
they stuck polythene sheeting to the inside).

Basically makes the room a lot lighter during the day.

And some of us did passive solar that way.

They went smaller later and people stuck fake leading on.

Few went that way.

And people fitted fake panelled doors made of MDF (or whatever). Barry
Bucknell must have spun in his grave:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Bucknell#Criticism

"Max Demian" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/04/2019 12:55, tim... wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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Remember when window-lights (to distinguish from electric or gas lights)
over bedroom doors where a thing back in Edwardian and maybe earlier
times? Though that was to allow light into the hallway.

Oh is that what it's for

I always wondered

Our house was built in the 30s BTW

Sister's previous house that them was built in the 70s

I thought it was so the landing light lit the kiddies' bedrooms if they
were scared of the dark.

Doesn't explain why it was on more than just the non main bedroom.

And you can tell if you have left the light on in the room.

You can without the leadlight, it shows under the door.

(A flat built in the late 80s I had had them.)

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 06:32:19 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

I don't know why large windows became so popular in the 50s and 60s when
electric light was available and people rarely had double glazing (unless
they stuck polythene sheeting to the inside).

Basically makes the room a lot lighter during the day.

Basically, you are an endlessly smartassing, self-opinionated, senile
asshole!

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On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 06:38:47 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Doesn't explain why it was on more than just the non main bedroom.

And you can tell if you have left the light on in the room.

You can without the leadlight, it shows under the door.

NOBODY talked to you, senile Ozzietard!

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On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 19:24:29 +0100
Max Demian wrote:

AFAIK 'picture windows' are just big windows with few panes.

A single pane if you're being strict about the definition.