1)Doorbells
2)Room thermostats
3)Keyless ignition
4)This:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6789479/

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On 11/03/2019 12:42, Graham. wrote:
1)Doorbells

Disagree. Installing a doorbell in an existing building can easily
result in untidy wiring, We have an existing wired doorbell installed
in the house when newly built 20yrs ago in the hallway by the front
door. We needed a repeater in a room to the rear of the house which
would have been difficult to wire in. A wirless doorbell extender was
the answer with the advantage of being able to tale the receiver(battery
powered) into the garden when working outside.

Malcolm

2)Room thermostats
3)Keyless ignition
4)This:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6789479/



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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 12:42:42 +0000
Graham. wrote:

1)Doorbells

I fitted one of those once, it rang fairly randomly - I'm guessing it
wasn't smart enough to tell that the various other radio tech we have
wasn't talking to it. Took it back for a refund after a couple of
days getting annoyed by it. We now have a good old low-tech
electromechanical doorbell.

2)Room thermostats

I can understand that if you like to take the thermostat with you to
the room you're occupying, or if you're experimenting with different
locations to find the most appropriate.

3)Keyless ignition

I can sort of see the point of this - my key ring is quite full, and it
dangles from the steering column in an occasionally intrusive manner.

4)This:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6789479/

"the defendant is now in a new relationship and is pregnant"

Well good luck with that then ...

On 11/03/2019 16:03, Rob Morley wrote:
3)Keyless ignition
I can sort of see the point of this - my key ring is quite full, and it
dangles from the steering column in an occasionally intrusive manner.

The main function of keyless ignition seems to be to make cars much
easier to steal.

Mike Clarke wrote:

The main function of keyless ignition seems to be to make cars much
easier to steal.

That's keyless entry.

Keyless ignition merely makes it possible to drive your car away from
where the keys are, so you can't re-start it to drive it back and
collect those keys.

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:03:21 +0000, Rob Morley wrote:

4)This:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6789479/

"the defendant is now in a new relationship and is pregnant"

Well good luck with that then ...

From the look of her, I hope that the father qualifies for Gift Aid!
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On 11/03/2019 12:42, Graham. wrote:
1)Doorbells
2)Room thermostats
3)Keyless ignition
4)This:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6789479/

Bluetooth sound bars - necessarily installed just below the TV they
serve. (Which? says that many TV these days don't have audio outputs,
whether line or headphone.)

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On 11/03/2019 16:50, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/03/2019 12:42, Graham. wrote:
1)Doorbells
2)Room thermostats
3)Keyless ignition
4)This:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6789479/

Bluetooth sound bars - necessarily installed just below the TV they
serve. (Which? says that many TV these days don't have audio outputs,
whether line or headphone.)


That's because you don't have to feed them from the TV.
Its the same with HiFi you can use an echo to feed them or many other
players.
And bluetooth is as good at HiFi as most digital sources these days.


My amp will take feeds from the usual optical/coax digital, hdmi,
bluetooth and wifi. They all use the same DAC and sound pretty much the
same as long as you haven't over compressed the source (MP3 spit!).

When they perfect true wireless charging over a large aerial without
cooking the occupants let me know.
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1)Doorbells
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:50:22 +0000
Max Demian wrote:

Bluetooth sound bars - necessarily installed just below the TV they
serve. (Which? says that many TV these days don't have audio outputs,
whether line or headphone.)

You can of course extract digital audio via HDMI.

On 11/03/2019 16:13, Mike Clarke wrote:
On 11/03/2019 16:03, Rob Morley wrote:
3)Keyless ignition
I can sort of see the point of this - my key ring is quite full, and it
dangles from the steering column in an occasionally intrusive manner.

The main function of keyless ignition seems to be to make cars much
easier to steal.


+1

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:50:22 +0000
Max Demian wrote:

Bluetooth sound bars - necessarily installed just below the TV they
serve. (Which? says that many TV these days don't have audio outputs,
whether line or headphone.)

You can of course extract digital audio via HDMI.


Or commonly optical.
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In article ,
Malcolm Race wrote:
Disagree. Installing a doorbell in an existing building can easily
result in untidy wiring, We have an existing wired doorbell installed
in the house when newly built 20yrs ago in the hallway by the front
door. We needed a repeater in a room to the rear of the house which
would have been difficult to wire in.

Hope you never want an extra socket or light, then. Or perhaps you've
found a source of wireless ones?

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"Graham." wrote in message
...
1)Doorbells
2)Room thermostats
3)Keyless ignition
4)This:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6789479/

Your house and car are unnecessary too, you could
just 'live' in a discarded box down the high street
and eat out of the dumpsters.

Personally I find it very handy to be able to put a
Hue bulb in any light socket in the house, put the
motion sensors anywhere I like and any switches
anywhere I like without any wires at all or even
batterys and have it all work fine wirelessly.
Same with the temperature sensors in the
motion sensors.

On 11/03/2019 15:51, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 14:33:03 +0000, Malcolm Race
wrote:

On 11/03/2019 12:42, Graham. wrote:
1)Doorbells

Disagree. Installing a doorbell in an existing building can easily
result in untidy wiring, We have an existing wired doorbell installed
in the house when newly built 20yrs ago in the hallway by the front
door. We needed a repeater in a room to the rear of the house which
would have been difficult to wire in. A wirless doorbell extender was
the answer with the advantage of being able to tale the receiver(battery
powered) into the garden when working outside.

Malcolm

+1

Wireless doorbells have their place. We had a conservatory installed
at the front, and a wireless doorbell avoided having to drill holes in
walls and string wires along the supporting beams.


+2, if you have a big house. I have a wired bell that also switches a
wireless sender, and apart from a fixed receiver in my office I have a
battery one that can go out into the garden or workshop.

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 12:42:42 +0000
Graham. wrote:

1)Doorbells

I fitted one of those once, it rang fairly randomly - I'm guessing it
wasn't smart enough to tell that the various other radio tech we have
wasn't talking to it. Took it back for a refund after a couple of
days getting annoyed by it. We now have a good old low-tech
electromechanical doorbell.

2)Room thermostats

I can understand that if you like to take the thermostat with you to
the room you're occupying, or if you're experimenting with different
locations to find the most appropriate.

3)Keyless ignition

I can sort of see the point of this - my key ring is quite full, and it
dangles from the steering column in an occasionally intrusive manner.

And it would be more convenient to just leave
the keys in your pocket when driving the car too.

But still a less than mature design so far, too easy
for someone to steal the car with that capability yet.

4)This:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6789479/

"the defendant is now in a new relationship and is pregnant"

Well good luck with that then ...

I love my wireless Hue lights etc, leaves farting around with
the wiring for dead for the motion sensors and switches.

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Mike Clarke wrote:

The main function of keyless ignition seems to be to make cars much
easier to steal.

That's keyless entry.

Keyless ignition merely makes it possible to drive your car away from
where the keys are, so you can't re-start it to drive it back and collect
those keys.

But trivial to enhance the design so that it tells you
when you have done that and allows you to restart
the car for a while without seeing the key so you
can still go back and get it.

Brian Gaff wrote

When they perfect true wireless charging over a large
aerial without cooking the occupants let me know.

There now with mobile phones.

"Graham." wrote in message
...
1)Doorbells
2)Room thermostats
3)Keyless ignition
4)This:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6789479/

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:17:19 +0000, newshound
wrote:

On 11/03/2019 15:51, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 14:33:03 +0000, Malcolm Race
wrote:

On 11/03/2019 12:42, Graham. wrote:
1)Doorbells

Disagree. Installing a doorbell in an existing building can easily
result in untidy wiring, We have an existing wired doorbell installed
in the house when newly built 20yrs ago in the hallway by the front
door. We needed a repeater in a room to the rear of the house which
would have been difficult to wire in. A wirless doorbell extender was
the answer with the advantage of being able to tale the receiver(battery
powered) into the garden when working outside.

Malcolm

+1

Wireless doorbells have their place. We had a conservatory installed
at the front, and a wireless doorbell avoided having to drill holes in
walls and string wires along the supporting beams.


+2, if you have a big house. I have a wired bell that also switches a
wireless sender, and apart from a fixed receiver in my office I have a
battery one that can go out into the garden or workshop.

However, wireless doorbells have a downside - the sound is always the
same no matter how long or short the button press is, so you can't
tell how desperate the caller is. A short blip from a leafleter who
doesn't really wan't a reply sounds the same as a long press from your
neighbour who has been blocked in by your car.
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On 11/03/2019 18:08, Rob Morley wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:50:22 +0000
Max Demian wrote:

Bluetooth sound bars - necessarily installed just below the TV they
serve. (Which? says that many TV these days don't have audio outputs,
whether line or headphone.)

You can of course extract digital audio via HDMI.

Do TVs have HDMI *outputs*?

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On 11/03/2019 23:15, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/03/2019 18:08, Rob Morley wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:50:22 +0000
Max Demian wrote:

Bluetooth sound bars - necessarily installed just below the TV they
serve. (Which? says that many TV these days don't have audio outputs,
whether line or headphone.)

You can of course extract digital audio via HDMI.

Do TVs have HDMI *outputs*?


Both mine do.
Its called the audio return channel.
You get whatever is the source audio back, it can be the TV or a sky box
or similar.

dennis@home wrote:

Max Demian wrote:

Do TVs have HDMI *outputs*?

Both mine do.
Its called the audio return channel.

But technically the ARC is output on an HDMI input e.g a TV (and input
on an HDMI output e.g a surround amp)

On 11/03/2019 23:15, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/03/2019 18:08, Rob Morley wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:50:22 +0000
Max Demian wrote:

Bluetooth sound bars - necessarily installed just below the TV they
serve. (Which? says that many TV these days don't have audio outputs,
whether line or headphone.)

You can of course extract digital audio via HDMI.

Do TVs have HDMI *outputs*?

Many support Audio Return Channel - basically passing digital audio back
through one of the HDMI's inputs. So AV amps etc can receive the audio
of whatever the TV is displaying.


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On 12/03/2019 10:43, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/03/2019 23:15, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/03/2019 18:08, Rob Morley wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:50:22 +0000
Max Demian wrote:

Bluetooth sound bars - necessarily installed just below the TV they
serve. (Which? says that many TV these days don't have audio outputs,
whether line or headphone.)

You can of course extract digital audio via HDMI.

Do TVs have HDMI *outputs*?

Many support Audio Return Channel - basically passing digital audio back
through one of the HDMI's inputs. So AV amps etc can receive the audio
of whatever the TV is displaying.

Would all, or only some, of the HDMI sockets support this? What device
would be needed to convert the audio into analogue to feed into an input
of an 'ordinary' hi-fi amplifier?

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On 11/03/2019 12:42, Graham. wrote:
1)Doorbells
2)Room thermostats
3)Keyless ignition
4)This:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6789479/


? phones

Max Demian wrote:

John Rumm wrote:

Many support Audio Return Channel

What device would be needed to convert the audio into analogue to
feed into an input of an 'ordinary' hi-fi amplifier?

e.g. https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GSQ55G4

On 12/03/2019 11:53, Max Demian wrote:
On 12/03/2019 10:43, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/03/2019 23:15, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/03/2019 18:08, Rob Morley wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:50:22 +0000
Max Demian wrote:

Bluetooth sound bars - necessarily installed just below the TV they
serve. (Which? says that many TV these days don't have audio outputs,
whether line or headphone.)

You can of course extract digital audio via HDMI.

Do TVs have HDMI *outputs*?

Many support Audio Return Channel - basically passing digital audio
back through one of the HDMI's inputs. So AV amps etc can receive the
audio of whatever the TV is displaying.

Would all, or only some, of the HDMI sockets support this? What device

Normally only some or one - quite often it will be labelled with ARC or
similar.

You may also need to enable the device control over HDMI as well to get
it working (IIRC its called something like "Simlink" on my LG).

would be needed to convert the audio into analogue to feed into an input
of an 'ordinary' hi-fi amplifier?

You can get boxes that will extract the audio from HDMI or
SPDIF/Optical... e.g:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extractor-N...dp/B073FCM6LF/



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In article ,
mm0fmf wrote:
On 11/03/2019 16:13, Mike Clarke wrote:
On 11/03/2019 16:03, Rob Morley wrote:
3)Keyless ignition
I can sort of see the point of this - my key ring is quite full, and it
dangles from the steering column in an occasionally intrusive manner.

The main function of keyless ignition seems to be to make cars much
easier to steal.


+1

Does that apply to all makes - or only some? Land Rover/Jaguar seem
particularly vulnerable.

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On Monday, 11 March 2019 12:42:43 UTC, Graham. wrote:
1)Doorbells

I have one in the lab , because sometimes students access cards don't work on the entrance door and that is two floors below me, which means the students won't be able to get in and do their lab unless I go and open the door.
In about 2 months I'll be 3 floors above the door.


2)Room thermostats
3)Keyless ignition
4)This:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6789479/

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On 12/03/2019 15:35, Andy Burns wrote:
Max Demian wrote:

John Rumm wrote:

Many support Audio Return Channel

What device would be needed to convert the audio into analogue to
feed into an input of an 'ordinary' hi-fi amplifier?

e.g.Â* https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GSQ55G4

Bit expensive that one. More than a bit of wire with a plug each end.

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On 12/03/2019 15:35, Andy Burns wrote:
Max Demian wrote:

John Rumm wrote:

Many support Audio Return Channel

What device would be needed to convert the audio into analogue to
feed into an input of an 'ordinary' hi-fi amplifier?

e.g.Â* https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GSQ55G4

Thats expensive.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Neoteck-Ext.../dp/B01GH4MEYC

Max Demian wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GSQ55G4

Bit expensive that one. More than a bit of wire with a plug each end.

If you don't need it to extract the 'backwards' audio, look at some of
the cheaper 'forwards' extractors linked below it, about 1/4 the price,
some include a HDMI splitter

dennis@home wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GSQ55G4

Thats expensive.

because ARC.

On 12/03/2019 15:35, Andy Burns wrote:
Max Demian wrote:

John Rumm wrote:

Many support Audio Return Channel

What device would be needed to convert the audio into analogue to
feed into an input of an 'ordinary' hi-fi amplifier?

e.g.Â* https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GSQ55G4


Or optical output of the TV to RCA phono

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Opt...s%2C162&sr=1-5

http://tinyurl.com/yyq5zpmg

Many other similar devices including ones with volume controls.

Maybe the only thing to watch with these adapters is the ability to
accept 5.1 surround sound that may be output from the tv optical for
some HD broadcasts. These cheap adapters/convertors may/will only accept
stereo from the optical output (which may be a user configuration on
some TVs)

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On 12/03/2019 17:31, Andy Burns wrote:
dennis@home wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GSQ55G4

Thats expensive.

because ARC.

More because CYP - they make good stuff, but its not sold on price.

The £17 one I linked to claims to support ARC as well.

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On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 4:23:55 PM UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Mike Clarke wrote:

The main function of keyless ignition seems to be to make cars much
easier to steal.

That's keyless entry.

Keyless ignition merely makes it possible to drive your car away from
where the keys are, so you can't re-start it to drive it back and
collect those keys.

Ho yus, my wife once set off on a two hour trip without the key fob because some idiot had it in his trouser pocket. Luckily said idiot discovered said fob within a few minutes and was able to phone her and get her to come back.

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On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 4:23:55 PM UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Mike Clarke wrote:

The main function of keyless ignition seems to be to make cars much
easier to steal.

That's keyless entry.

Keyless ignition merely makes it possible to drive your car away from
where the keys are, so you can't re-start it to drive it back and
collect those keys.

Ho yus, my wife once set off on a two hour trip without
the key fob because some idiot had it in his trouser pocket.
Luckily said idiot discovered said fob within a few minutes
and was able to phone her and get her to come back.

Doesnt work with the dinosaurs that are too stupid to have a mobile phone.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 07:22:08 +1100, Jac Brown, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:


But trivial

What could be more trivial than you trivial nym-shifting and trolling,
senile Ozzie pest? BG

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On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 18:39:22 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:



Doesn¢t work with the dinosaurs that are too stupid to have a mobile phone.

Not ALL people are senile, mindless, consuming fools like you, you idiotic
Google, M$, Apple and Amazon admirer!

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Speed blabbered, again:

I love my wireless Hue lights

ROTFLOL! Of COURSE you do, senile asshole! You got NO ONE and NOTHING else
to love! You even TALK to your electronic gadgets as we learned, you foolish
senile psychopathic idiot! LOL

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