On Thursday, 18 October 2018 08:27:36 UTC+1, Thomas Prufer wrote:
However, googling for similar devices, 400 W is a reasonable value, 40 W seems
very low. So it may be a typo on the rating.

AIUI under European product safety regulations the rating plate is required to be both present and accurate. If there is a typo on the rating plate that would be a fail (if the product was offered for resale). If for use in a hair salon possibly not a fail as the actual load can be recorded in the appliance records and checked again at the next test.

For electrical machines testing to EN 60204 would be required in addition to VDE 0700/0701 under Betriebssicherheitsverordnung?

Owain

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wrote:
On Thursday, 18 October 2018 08:27:36 UTC+1, Thomas Prufer wrote:
However, googling for similar devices, 400 W is a reasonable value, 40
W seems very low. So it may be a typo on the rating.

AIUI under European product safety regulations the rating plate is
required to be both present and accurate. If there is a typo on the
rating plate that would be a fail (if the product was offered for
resale). If for use in a hair salon possibly not a fail as the actual
load can be recorded in the appliance records and checked again at the
next test.

But, not all PAT machines measure load. (mine does)


For electrical machines testing to EN 60204 would be required in addition
to VDE 0700/0701 under Betriebssicherheitsverordnung?

Owain

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On Wednesday, 17 October 2018 19:00:32 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 17/10/2018 13:14, whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 October 2018 18:34:04 UTC+1, charles wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 October 2018 09:26:21 UTC+1, harry wrote:

Purely electrical tests (eg PAT tester) show that the appliance is OK
at that instant in time. Which is better than nothing. A proper
additional inspection, especially of any earth wires and safety is
much better but the same rule applies.

I take it you don't know what a PAT test consists of

Sadly, to a great many people the test consists of pluging the appliance
into the test box and getting a red or green light,

So what is so wring in that.

The problem is the bit of the test you do before you even reach for the
test equipment, will find the vast majority of your failures.

That would depend on what you're testing and to what extent they are being tested.



So if you
rely only on the machine, you will pass lots of dangerous stuff.

I wouldn't, my cat probbaly would but then my cat has never used a PAT testing machine and most such machines have some sort of intructions you must follow.
Now whether or not you call a visual check as a test I'm not sure I don't, I'd call it a check rather than a test.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 01:13:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

AIUI under European product safety regulations the rating plate is required to be both present and accurate. If there is a typo on the rating plate that would be a fail (if the product was offered for resale). If for use in a hair salon possibly not a fail as the actual load can be recorded in the appliance records and checked again at the next test.

I'd tend towards a "fail", myself, for typo on the rating.

For electrical machines testing to EN 60204 would be required in addition to VDE 0700/0701 under Betriebssicherheitsverordnung?

Probably he wouldn't be allowed to do this, though. He's a tradesman with the
(equivalent of) a "may do PAT" course.

AFAIK, he did the reasonable thing: Took the hair thing, asked, then returned it
to the owner, and said, it's electrically fine but you can't use it at work,
fails our testing standards.

Apparently he's also required to fail extension leads that lack a notice saying
"do not daisy-chain extension leads". This is in a sensitive residential
setting: living quarters where some residents have "issues". So they err on the
side of caution...

Thomas Prufer