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OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks.
His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was given
both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug top on
until I has inspected his wiring.

Did he

1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top
off for inspection

2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off
for inspect.

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so
that his wiring could not be inspected.

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OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks.
His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was
given both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug
top on until I has inspected his wiring.

Did he

1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top
off for inspection

2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off
for inspect.

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top
so that his wiring could not be inspected.

Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R.


I'll vote for 3.

This lad is a potential success story. Not only did he assess your old
extension as unfit, he used initiative to solve the problem.
Correctly judging the 1.5mm 3 core to be a suitable replacement, he had
the confidence in his workmanship to fit the plug top.

Lacking the appropriate, unsupplied outlet socket he wisely did not
unwind and cut the cable leaving this decision to his supervisor.




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Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task - or did you
arrogantly assume that because you could do it at his age then he should?
Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial phone
or a Walkman?

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Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task


It isnt an obscure task.

- or did you arrogantly assume that because
you could do it at his age then he should?


He was told to leave the plug top off it would
be easy to check if he had wired it correctly.

Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager
trying to use a dial phone or a Walkman?


Of course he is.
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Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager
trying to use a dial phone or a Walkman?


Of course he is.


I'm the type who WILL laugh at trolling senile 85 years old cretins like
you, senile Rot! LOL

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Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task - or did you
arrogantly assume that because you could do it at his age then he should?
Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial phone
or a Walkman?


I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an
electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that he
did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but went to
the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex.

And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck
trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it.

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What is that quote, lesson one listen as well as you hear, or in this case
look and read as well as you see.

There is unfortunate a problem and maybe its always been this way, with
people actually having selective memory of the short term kind. I think this
is why repeat while under supervision is a great thing. It can teach you to
actually understand the words and also by asking questions the logic of the
decisions made that result in the task being completed successfully.
IE if you had given him a knackered old extension to fix with an obvious
busted plug, Look at the rest for wire or other damage before wasting your
time fitting a new plug, plugging it in and finding the wire is half cut
through.
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On 15/09/2018 10:19, DerbyBorn wrote:
Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task - or did you
arrogantly assume that because you could do it at his age then he should?
Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial phone
or a Walkman?


I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an
electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that he
did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but went to
the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex.

And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck
trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it.

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On 15/09/2018 10:47, ARW wrote:
On 15/09/2018 10:19, DerbyBorn wrote:
Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task - or did you
arrogantly assume that because you could do it at his age then he should?
Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial phone
or a Walkman?


I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an
electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that he
did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but went to
the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex.

And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck
trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it.


You should always try pushing a "Pull" door in case the door goes both
ways and they just want to tell you what to do.

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You should always try pushing a "Pull" door in case the door goes both
ways and they just want to tell you what to do.


Not just me then ...

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On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 12:03:14 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 15/09/2018 10:47, ARW wrote:
On 15/09/2018 10:19, DerbyBorn wrote:
Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task - or did you
arrogantly assume that because you could do it at his age then he
should?
Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial
phone or a Walkman?


I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an
electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that
he did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but
went to the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex.

And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck
trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it.


You should always try pushing a "Pull" door in case the door goes both
ways and they just want to tell you what to do.


I always have trouble with the doors marked "Lift"

Cheers



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On 15/09/2018 10:47, ARW wrote:

I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an
electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that he
did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but went to
the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex.


Your instructions must have been unclear to him. This isn't necessarily
your fault. However, a good method is to make the learner speak the
instructions back to you. You check for real understanding. So that he
doesn't think you're babying him say, "OK, now just in case that wasn't
clear, tell me exactly what you have to do, in your own words."

As I'm sure you know teenage often have surprising gaps in their
knowledge and in the very way they their perception works. You are
extremely lucky because you have the rare pleasure of guiding them,
helping them, and generally reconstructing their minds so they become
useful human beings. Enjoy!


And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck
trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it.

Fair enough. Did he cry?

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On 15/09/2018 10:47, ARW wrote:

I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an
electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that he
did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but went to
the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex.


Your instructions must have been unclear to him. This isn't necessarily
your fault. However, a good method is to make the learner speak the
instructions back to you. You check for real understanding. So that he
doesn't think you're babying him say, "OK, now just in case that wasn't
clear, tell me exactly what you have to do, in your own words."

As I'm sure you know teenage often have surprising gaps in their knowledge
and in the very way they their perception works. You are extremely lucky
because you have the rare pleasure of guiding them, helping them, and
generally reconstructing their minds so they become useful human beings.
Enjoy!


It will be hilarious to hear what they have to say about
Adam when they are old fogeys themselves. Corse none
of us will be around to hear that unless they double the
life expectancy and we dont end up as vegys by then.

And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck
trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it.


Fair enough. Did he cry?



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And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got
stuck trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on
it.

Fair enough. Did he cry?


Only when I said I would like to **** his mother.


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3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so
that his wiring could not be inspected.

Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R.


Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably
improbable that might be. :-)




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On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote:

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so
that his wiring could not be inspected.

Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R.


Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably
improbable that might be. :-)



For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the
top off and checked).

It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was
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On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote:

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so
that his wiring could not be inspected.

Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R.


Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably
improbable that might be. :-)



For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the
top off and checked).


It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was
given.


Did you ask him why? Could he answer through the tears?

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On 15/09/2018 11:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote:

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so
that his wiring could not be inspected.

Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R.

Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably
improbable that might be. :-)



For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the
top off and checked).


It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was
given.


Did you ask him why? Could he answer through the tears?


Well the little ******* has an answer for everything.

In this case his reply was "I don't know"

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On 15/09/2018 11:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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ARW wrote:
On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote:

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so
that his wiring could not be inspected.

Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R.

Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably
improbable that might be. :-)



For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the
top off and checked).


It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was
given.


Did you ask him why? Could he answer through the tears?


Well the little ******* has an answer for everything.


In this case his reply was "I don't know"


It's very odd. Over the years I've known many trainees at work. Obviously
they varied, but only ever knew one who was as thick as many of yours.
Turned out he was a relation of a high up.

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On 15/09/2018 11:20, ARW wrote:
On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote:

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so
that his wiring could not be inspected.

Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R.


Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably
improbable that might be. :-)



For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the
top off and checked).

It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was
given.


Better than the extension lead I once saw which had a plug at each end!
The idiot had put a socket on the table lamp flex...

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Better than the extension lead I once saw which had a plug at each end!
The idiot had put a socket on the table lamp flex...


Classic! :-D


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F wrote:
On 15/09/2018 11:20, ARW wrote:
On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote:

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug
top so
that his wiring could not be inspected.

Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R.

Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably
improbable that might be. :-)



For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the
top off and checked).

It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was
given.


Better than the extension lead I once saw which had a plug at each end!
The idiot had put a socket on the table lamp flex...

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OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks.
His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was given
both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug top on
until I has inspected his wiring.

Did he

1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top
off for inspection

2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off
for inspect.

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so
that his wiring could not be inspected.

Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R.



I remember things were ominously quiet one morning when the kids were
small. There was a bang, and the whole house went quiet. It turned out
that the two older boys had decided to wire up a plug. Not having any
idea at all how to do it, they stripped 3 or 4 inches of insulation off
each of the wires and wrapped them round all three plug terminals.
Fortunately, they jammed the top on without leaving any strands of wire
outside the plug, so no children were harmed in this experiment.

Possibly, this was my fault for not showing them exactly how to do it,
but they were only 4 or 5 at the time.
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I remember things were ominously quiet one morning when the kids were
small. There was a bang, and the whole house went quiet. It turned out
that the two older boys had decided to wire up a plug. Not having any
idea at all how to do it, they stripped 3 or 4 inches of insulation off
each of the wires and wrapped them round all three plug terminals.
Fortunately, they jammed the top on without leaving any strands of wire
outside the plug, so no children were harmed in this experiment.


Possibly, this was my fault for not showing them exactly how to do it,
but they were only 4 or 5 at the time.


I remember trying to make a magnet aged about 5. No need to guess the
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I remember things were ominously quiet one morning when the kids were
small. There was a bang, and the whole house went quiet. It turned out
that the two older boys had decided to wire up a plug. Not having any
idea at all how to do it, they stripped 3 or 4 inches of insulation off
each of the wires and wrapped them round all three plug terminals.
Fortunately, they jammed the top on without leaving any strands of wire
outside the plug, so no children were harmed in this experiment.


Possibly, this was my fault for not showing them exactly how to do it,
but they were only 4 or 5 at the time.


I remember trying to make a magnet aged about 5. No need to guess the
result.


It aimed East and West?

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GB wrote:
I remember things were ominously quiet one morning when the kids were
small. There was a bang, and the whole house went quiet. It turned out
that the two older boys had decided to wire up a plug. Not having any
idea at all how to do it, they stripped 3 or 4 inches of insulation off
each of the wires and wrapped them round all three plug terminals.
Fortunately, they jammed the top on without leaving any strands of wire
outside the plug, so no children were harmed in this experiment.


Possibly, this was my fault for not showing them exactly how to do it,
but they were only 4 or 5 at the time.


I remember trying to make a magnet aged about 5. No need to guess the
result.


It aimed East and West?


I'm guessing either the wire was bare, or it was plugged into the mains.


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I remember things were ominously quiet one morning when the kids were
small. There was a bang, and the whole house went quiet. It turned out
that the two older boys had decided to wire up a plug. Not having any
idea at all how to do it, they stripped 3 or 4 inches of insulation off
each of the wires and wrapped them round all three plug terminals.
Fortunately, they jammed the top on without leaving any strands of wire
outside the plug, so no children were harmed in this experiment.


Possibly, this was my fault for not showing them exactly how to do it,
but they were only 4 or 5 at the time.


I remember trying to make a magnet aged about 5. No need to guess the
result.


It aimed East and West?


Got a strip of Meccano, and bent it into a horseshoe. Wound some wire
round it and connected to the mains. So 3/10 for method. ;-)

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OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks.
His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was given
both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug top on
until I has inspected his wiring.

Did he

1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top
off for inspection

2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off
for inspect.

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so
that his wiring could not be inspected.

Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R.




4. He used a stanley knife to cut the outer sheath on the cable,
cutting himself in the process as well as nicking right through
the LNE cables too (but still fitted it anyway).
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OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks.
His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was given
both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug top on
until I has inspected his wiring.

Did he

1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top
off for inspection

2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off
for inspect.

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so
that his wiring could not be inspected.

Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R.





It's a trick question.

4) He did it perfectly and you made a helpful suggestion about a way he
could make it just a tiny bit better, for which he thanked you, then
made the tea and swept the floor?
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On 18/09/2018 17:03, Tim Watts wrote:


It's a trick question.

4) He did it perfectly and you made a helpful suggestion about a way he
could make it just a tiny bit better, for which he thanked you, then
made the tea and swept the floor?


Trust me, it's not a trick question.

Although he was very helpful today and saved me quite a bit of time.

You know that Stunningly bypass in Leeds? No?

Well it has a HOV lane. Had I been on my own I would have had to queue.

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Well it has a HOV lane. Had I been on my own I would have had to queue.


Does it still count if the passenger is dead?

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Drain dead aka apprentice or really dead such as driving a hearse?


Really dead, as in either a hearse or killing the apprentice and propping him up in the passenger seat.

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On 18/09/18 18:40, ARW wrote:
On 18/09/2018 17:03, Tim Watts wrote:


It's a trick question.

4) He did it perfectly and you made a helpful suggestion about a way
he could make it just a tiny bit better, for which he thanked you,
then made the tea and swept the floor?


Trust me, it's not a trick question.


You can always dream

Although he was very helpful today and saved me quite a bit of time.

You know that Stunningly bypass in Leeds? No?


I don't know it - I have only been near Leeds once - Seacroft.


Well it has a HOV lane. Had I been on my own I would have had to queue.


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How did he compare with an inflatable doll in that respect?
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How did he compare with an inflatable doll in that respect?


In any respect? ;-)

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On 15/09/2018 10:35, Tim Streater wrote:
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OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks.
His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was
given both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the
plug top on until I has inspected his wiring.

Did he

1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top
off for inspection

2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top
off for inspect.

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top
so that his wiring could not be inspected.


Does the 1.5mm refer to the overall diameter of the flex, the diameter
of each core including insulation, or the diameter of each core
excluding insulation.


CSA of the copper of each core (like normal).

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On 15/09/2018 10:35, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , ARW
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OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks.
His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was
given both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the
plug top on until I has inspected his wiring.

Did he

1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top
off for inspection

2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top
off for inspect.

3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of
1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top
so that his wiring could not be inspected.


Does the 1.5mm refer to the overall diameter of the flex, the diameter
of each core including insulation, or the diameter of each core
excluding insulation.


CSA of the copper of each core (like normal).


(and obvious)
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