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OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks.
His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was given both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug top on until I has inspected his wiring. Did he 1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top off for inspection 2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off for inspect. 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. -- Adam |
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writes OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks. His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was given both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug top on until I has inspected his wiring. Did he 1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top off for inspection 2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off for inspect. 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. I'll vote for 3. This lad is a potential success story. Not only did he assess your old extension as unfit, he used initiative to solve the problem. Correctly judging the 1.5mm 3 core to be a suitable replacement, he had the confidence in his workmanship to fit the plug top. Lacking the appropriate, unsupplied outlet socket he wisely did not unwind and cut the cable leaving this decision to his supervisor. -- Tim Lamb |
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Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task - or did you arrogantly assume that because you could do it at his age then he should? Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial phone or a Walkman? |
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Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task It isnt an obscure task. - or did you arrogantly assume that because you could do it at his age then he should? He was told to leave the plug top off it would be easy to check if he had wired it correctly. Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial phone or a Walkman? Of course he is. |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:38:22 +1000, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again: Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial phone or a Walkman? Of course he is. I'm the type who WILL laugh at trolling senile 85 years old cretins like you, senile Rot! LOL -- Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rot Speed: "Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it." MID: |
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On 15/09/2018 10:19, DerbyBorn wrote:
Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task - or did you arrogantly assume that because you could do it at his age then he should? Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial phone or a Walkman? I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that he did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but went to the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex. And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it. -- Adam |
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What is that quote, lesson one listen as well as you hear, or in this case
look and read as well as you see. There is unfortunate a problem and maybe its always been this way, with people actually having selective memory of the short term kind. I think this is why repeat while under supervision is a great thing. It can teach you to actually understand the words and also by asking questions the logic of the decisions made that result in the task being completed successfully. IE if you had given him a knackered old extension to fix with an obvious busted plug, Look at the rest for wire or other damage before wasting your time fitting a new plug, plugging it in and finding the wire is half cut through. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active Remember, if you don't like where I post or what I say, you don't have to read my posts! :-) "ARW" wrote in message ... On 15/09/2018 10:19, DerbyBorn wrote: Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task - or did you arrogantly assume that because you could do it at his age then he should? Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial phone or a Walkman? I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that he did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but went to the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex. And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it. -- Adam |
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On 15/09/2018 10:47, ARW wrote:
On 15/09/2018 10:19, DerbyBorn wrote: Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task - or did you arrogantly assume that because you could do it at his age then he should? Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial phone or a Walkman? I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that he did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but went to the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex. And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it. You should always try pushing a "Pull" door in case the door goes both ways and they just want to tell you what to do. -- Max Demian |
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Max Demian wrote:
You should always try pushing a "Pull" door in case the door goes both ways and they just want to tell you what to do. Not just me then ... |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 12:03:14 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
On 15/09/2018 10:47, ARW wrote: On 15/09/2018 10:19, DerbyBorn wrote: Was he given suitable instruction on this obscure task - or did you arrogantly assume that because you could do it at his age then he should? Are you the type who would laugh at a teenager trying to use a dial phone or a Walkman? I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that he did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but went to the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex. And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it. You should always try pushing a "Pull" door in case the door goes both ways and they just want to tell you what to do. I always have trouble with the doors marked "Lift" Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 15/09/2018 10:47, ARW wrote:
I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that he did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but went to the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex. Your instructions must have been unclear to him. This isn't necessarily your fault. However, a good method is to make the learner speak the instructions back to you. You check for real understanding. So that he doesn't think you're babying him say, "OK, now just in case that wasn't clear, tell me exactly what you have to do, in your own words." As I'm sure you know teenage often have surprising gaps in their knowledge and in the very way they their perception works. You are extremely lucky because you have the rare pleasure of guiding them, helping them, and generally reconstructing their minds so they become useful human beings. Enjoy! And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it. Fair enough. Did he cry? Bill |
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message news On 15/09/2018 10:47, ARW wrote: I would not consider fitting a plug to be an obscure task for an electrical apprentice, even a first year one. What is obscure is that he did not fit the plug to the extension lead that he was given but went to the van and fitted the plug to a roll of flex. Your instructions must have been unclear to him. This isn't necessarily your fault. However, a good method is to make the learner speak the instructions back to you. You check for real understanding. So that he doesn't think you're babying him say, "OK, now just in case that wasn't clear, tell me exactly what you have to do, in your own words." As I'm sure you know teenage often have surprising gaps in their knowledge and in the very way they their perception works. You are extremely lucky because you have the rare pleasure of guiding them, helping them, and generally reconstructing their minds so they become useful human beings. Enjoy! It will be hilarious to hear what they have to say about Adam when they are old fogeys themselves. Corse none of us will be around to hear that unless they double the life expectancy and we dont end up as vegys by then. And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it. Fair enough. Did he cry? |
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On 15/09/2018 13:18, Bill Wright wrote:
And yes I took the **** out of him at the wholesalers when he got stuck trying to get out of the front door with the sign saying pull on it. Fair enough. Did he cry? Only when I said I would like to **** his mother. -- Adam |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote:
3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably improbable that might be. :-) -- This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition. |
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On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote: 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably improbable that might be. :-) For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the top off and checked). It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was given. -- Adam |
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ARW wrote: On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote: 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably improbable that might be. :-) For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the top off and checked). It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was given. Did you ask him why? Could he answer through the tears? -- *When a man opens a car door for his wife, it's either a new car or a new Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 15/09/2018 11:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , ARW wrote: On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote: 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably improbable that might be. :-) For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the top off and checked). It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was given. Did you ask him why? Could he answer through the tears? Well the little ******* has an answer for everything. In this case his reply was "I don't know" -- Adam |
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ARW wrote: On 15/09/2018 11:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , ARW wrote: On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote: 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably improbable that might be. :-) For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the top off and checked). It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was given. Did you ask him why? Could he answer through the tears? Well the little ******* has an answer for everything. In this case his reply was "I don't know" It's very odd. Over the years I've known many trainees at work. Obviously they varied, but only ever knew one who was as thick as many of yours. Turned out he was a relation of a high up. -- *Starfishes have no brains * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 15/09/2018 11:20, ARW wrote:
On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote: 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably improbable that might be. :-) For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the top off and checked). It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was given. Better than the extension lead I once saw which had a plug at each end! The idiot had put a socket on the table lamp flex... - F |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 13:48:57 +0100, F wrote:
Better than the extension lead I once saw which had a plug at each end! The idiot had put a socket on the table lamp flex... Classic! :-D |
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On 15/09/2018 11:20, ARW wrote: On 15/09/2018 11:05, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:06:58 +0100, ARW wrote: 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. Somehow I just *know* it's going to be No.3, however inexplicably improbable that might be. :-) For what it is worth he actually wired the plug up correctly (I took the top off and checked). It's a pity that he had not fitted it to the extension lead that he was given. Better than the extension lead I once saw which had a plug at each end! The idiot had put a socket on the table lamp flex... - F They are good for gen sets to house in a blackout |
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On 15/09/2018 09:06, ARW wrote:
OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks. His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was given both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug top on until I has inspected his wiring. Did he 1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top off for inspection 2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off for inspect. 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. I remember things were ominously quiet one morning when the kids were small. There was a bang, and the whole house went quiet. It turned out that the two older boys had decided to wire up a plug. Not having any idea at all how to do it, they stripped 3 or 4 inches of insulation off each of the wires and wrapped them round all three plug terminals. Fortunately, they jammed the top on without leaving any strands of wire outside the plug, so no children were harmed in this experiment. Possibly, this was my fault for not showing them exactly how to do it, but they were only 4 or 5 at the time. |
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GB wrote: I remember things were ominously quiet one morning when the kids were small. There was a bang, and the whole house went quiet. It turned out that the two older boys had decided to wire up a plug. Not having any idea at all how to do it, they stripped 3 or 4 inches of insulation off each of the wires and wrapped them round all three plug terminals. Fortunately, they jammed the top on without leaving any strands of wire outside the plug, so no children were harmed in this experiment. Possibly, this was my fault for not showing them exactly how to do it, but they were only 4 or 5 at the time. I remember trying to make a magnet aged about 5. No need to guess the result. -- *Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 15/09/2018 13:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , GB wrote: I remember things were ominously quiet one morning when the kids were small. There was a bang, and the whole house went quiet. It turned out that the two older boys had decided to wire up a plug. Not having any idea at all how to do it, they stripped 3 or 4 inches of insulation off each of the wires and wrapped them round all three plug terminals. Fortunately, they jammed the top on without leaving any strands of wire outside the plug, so no children were harmed in this experiment. Possibly, this was my fault for not showing them exactly how to do it, but they were only 4 or 5 at the time. I remember trying to make a magnet aged about 5. No need to guess the result. It aimed East and West? -- Adam |
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On Saturday, 15 September 2018 16:58:00 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
On 15/09/2018 13:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , GB wrote: I remember things were ominously quiet one morning when the kids were small. There was a bang, and the whole house went quiet. It turned out that the two older boys had decided to wire up a plug. Not having any idea at all how to do it, they stripped 3 or 4 inches of insulation off each of the wires and wrapped them round all three plug terminals. Fortunately, they jammed the top on without leaving any strands of wire outside the plug, so no children were harmed in this experiment. Possibly, this was my fault for not showing them exactly how to do it, but they were only 4 or 5 at the time. I remember trying to make a magnet aged about 5. No need to guess the result. It aimed East and West? I'm guessing either the wire was bare, or it was plugged into the mains. NT |
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ARW wrote: On 15/09/2018 13:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , GB wrote: I remember things were ominously quiet one morning when the kids were small. There was a bang, and the whole house went quiet. It turned out that the two older boys had decided to wire up a plug. Not having any idea at all how to do it, they stripped 3 or 4 inches of insulation off each of the wires and wrapped them round all three plug terminals. Fortunately, they jammed the top on without leaving any strands of wire outside the plug, so no children were harmed in this experiment. Possibly, this was my fault for not showing them exactly how to do it, but they were only 4 or 5 at the time. I remember trying to make a magnet aged about 5. No need to guess the result. It aimed East and West? Got a strip of Meccano, and bent it into a horseshoe. Wound some wire round it and connected to the mains. So 3/10 for method. ;-) -- *A day without sunshine is like... night.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 15/09/2018 09:06, ARW wrote:
OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks. His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was given both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug top on until I has inspected his wiring. Did he 1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top off for inspection 2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off for inspect. 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. 4. He used a stanley knife to cut the outer sheath on the cable, cutting himself in the process as well as nicking right through the LNE cables too (but still fitted it anyway). |
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On 15/09/18 09:06, ARW wrote:
OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks. His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was given both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug top on until I has inspected his wiring. Did he 1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top off for inspection 2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off for inspect. 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Answers on a post card to PO BOX W4NK3R. It's a trick question. 4) He did it perfectly and you made a helpful suggestion about a way he could make it just a tiny bit better, for which he thanked you, then made the tea and swept the floor? |
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On 18/09/2018 17:03, Tim Watts wrote:
It's a trick question. 4) He did it perfectly and you made a helpful suggestion about a way he could make it just a tiny bit better, for which he thanked you, then made the tea and swept the floor? Trust me, it's not a trick question. Although he was very helpful today and saved me quite a bit of time. You know that Stunningly bypass in Leeds? No? Well it has a HOV lane. Had I been on my own I would have had to queue. -- Adam |
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On Tuesday, 18 September 2018 18:40:34 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
Well it has a HOV lane. Had I been on my own I would have had to queue. Does it still count if the passenger is dead? Owain |
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"ARW" wrote in message news On 18/09/2018 19:28, wrote: On Tuesday, 18 September 2018 18:40:34 UTC+1, ARW wrote: Well it has a HOV lane. Had I been on my own I would have had to queue. Does it still count if the passenger is dead? Drain dead aka apprentice or really dead such as driving a hearse? Clearly blotto, already |-( |
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On Tuesday, 18 September 2018 19:31:02 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
Drain dead aka apprentice or really dead such as driving a hearse? Really dead, as in either a hearse or killing the apprentice and propping him up in the passenger seat. Owain |
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On 18/09/18 18:40, ARW wrote:
On 18/09/2018 17:03, Tim Watts wrote: It's a trick question. 4) He did it perfectly and you made a helpful suggestion about a way he could make it just a tiny bit better, for which he thanked you, then made the tea and swept the floor? Trust me, it's not a trick question. You can always dream Although he was very helpful today and saved me quite a bit of time. You know that Stunningly bypass in Leeds? No? I don't know it - I have only been near Leeds once - Seacroft. Well it has a HOV lane. Had I been on my own I would have had to queue. :- How did he compare with an inflatable doll in that respect? |
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On Tuesday, 18 September 2018 20:07:26 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
How did he compare with an inflatable doll in that respect? In any respect? ;-) Owain |
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On 15/09/2018 10:35, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , ARW wrote: OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks. His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was given both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug top on until I has inspected his wiring. Did he 1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top off for inspection 2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off for inspect. 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Does the 1.5mm refer to the overall diameter of the flex, the diameter of each core including insulation, or the diameter of each core excluding insulation. CSA of the copper of each core (like normal). -- Adam |
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On 15/09/2018 10:35, Tim Streater wrote: In article , ARW wrote: OK, so he is 16 and only been with us 8 weeks. His task was to put a 13A plug onto my blue extension lead. He was given both the plug and the extension lead and told not to put the plug top on until I has inspected his wiring. Did he 1. Fit the plug to the extension lead correctly and leave the plug top off for inspection 2. Fit the plug to the extension incorrectly and leave the plug top off for inspect. 3. Have some sort of brain seizure and fit the plug top to a roll of 1.5mm white 3 core flex that he found in the van AND fit the plug top so that his wiring could not be inspected. Does the 1.5mm refer to the overall diameter of the flex, the diameter of each core including insulation, or the diameter of each core excluding insulation. CSA of the copper of each core (like normal). (and obvious) -- -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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