I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers
--
Clive

On 17/08/18 11:19, Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it.Â* There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers
it is unless used in an appliance with a metal chassis that is connected
to IEE socket earth...



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On Friday, 17 August 2018 11:19:33 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:

I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers

depends which tye of IEC lead it is. If it's a 3 pin connector, no. If 2 pin, yes.


NT

On 17/08/2018 11:34, wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 11:19:33 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:

I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers

depends which tye of IEC lead it is. If it's a 3 pin connector, no. If 2 pin, yes.


NT

Yes, normal 3 pin with moulded 13A plug and moulded three pin C13 IEC
socket. All the usual BS approval markings, just no earth wire.
Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

Of course, I don't know where it came from, it's one of many.

Cheers
--
Clive

On Friday, 17 August 2018 11:41:49 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 11:34, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 11:19:33 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:

I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers

depends which tye of IEC lead it is. If it's a 3 pin connector, no. If 2 pin, yes.


NT

Yes, normal 3 pin with moulded 13A plug and moulded three pin C13 IEC
socket. All the usual BS approval markings, just no earth wire.
Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

Of course, I don't know where it came from, it's one of many.

Cheers

not safe & legal


NT

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:41:46 +0100, Clive Arthur wrote:

Yes, normal 3 pin with moulded 13A plug

Metal earth pin or plastic?

and moulded three pin C13 IEC socket.

With a hole for an earth pin?

Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

2x0.75mm2 = 2 core but does seem highly dubious. I'd expect a two
core lead to not have a hole for the IEC earth pin making it
impossible to use with a device expecting an earth. The 13A end needs
some form of earth pin to open the shutters.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Clive Arthur wrote:

On 17/08/2018 11:34, wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 11:19:33 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:

I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers

depends which tye of IEC lead it is. If it's a 3 pin connector, no. If 2
pin, yes.


NT

Yes, normal 3 pin with moulded 13A plug and moulded three pin C13 IEC
socket. All the usual BS approval markings, just no earth wire.
Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

Of course, I don't know where it came from, it's one of many.

Cheers

Thanks for drawing our attention to the existence of such things. Apart
from the potential electrocution danger, using one when expecting an
earth could lead to all sorts of problems with signal circuits,
including audio, and perhaps unexpected ESD problems. I am tempted to
go and check all mine immediately.



--

Roger Hayter

On 17/08/18 11:19, Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it.Â* There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers

No - it's a fail.

Clive Arthur wrote:
Yes, normal 3 pin with moulded 13A plug and moulded three pin C13 IEC
socket. All the usual BS approval markings, just no earth wire.
Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

It isn't one of these is it?
http://electricheatingcosts.com/dang...egway-warning/

On 17/08/2018 12:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
Clive Arthur wrote:

On 17/08/2018 11:34, wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 11:19:33 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:

I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers

depends which tye of IEC lead it is. If it's a 3 pin connector, no. If 2
pin, yes.


NT

Yes, normal 3 pin with moulded 13A plug and moulded three pin C13 IEC
socket. All the usual BS approval markings, just no earth wire.
Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

Of course, I don't know where it came from, it's one of many.

Cheers

Thanks for drawing our attention to the existence of such things. Apart
from the potential electrocution danger, using one when expecting an
earth could lead to all sorts of problems with signal circuits,
including audio, and perhaps unexpected ESD problems. I am tempted to
go and check all mine immediately.

I have half a dozen more hanging up, they're all ok though I haven't
checked the ones in use. The illegal cable is noticeably thinner than
the others, at about 5.5mm diameter as opposed to 7mm.

Cheers
--
Clive

On 17/08/2018 12:52, Theo wrote:
Clive Arthur wrote:
Yes, normal 3 pin with moulded 13A plug and moulded three pin C13 IEC
socket. All the usual BS approval markings, just no earth wire.
Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

It isn't one of these is it?
http://electricheatingcosts.com/dang...egway-warning/


No, it looks perfectly normal and of good quality.

Cheers
--
Clive

On Friday, 17 August 2018 12:55:54 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 12:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
Clive Arthur wrote:

On 17/08/2018 11:34, wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 11:19:33 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:

I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers

depends which tye of IEC lead it is. If it's a 3 pin connector, no. If 2
pin, yes.


NT

Yes, normal 3 pin with moulded 13A plug and moulded three pin C13 IEC
socket. All the usual BS approval markings, just no earth wire.
Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

Of course, I don't know where it came from, it's one of many.

Cheers

Thanks for drawing our attention to the existence of such things. Apart
from the potential electrocution danger, using one when expecting an
earth could lead to all sorts of problems with signal circuits,
including audio, and perhaps unexpected ESD problems. I am tempted to
go and check all mine immediately.

I have half a dozen more hanging up,

I've a couple of hundred at least. yes really they are in a box in the lab, they have all passed a PAT test and visual inspection.
Most are just 6 amp leads rather than kettle leads which is the name most people use when requesting one.

I do not know, but I have a CD player with an IEC socket on it and it has no
earth pin at all, so maybe it was made for this sort of appliance, but it
would be a little bad if that was being used on a normal computer which has
an earth and a metal case if the psu shorted out as I have had more than
one do over the years by having an internal melt down shorting to the case.
Brian

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I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers
--
Clive

I think the point is though, without some indication to the user, we all
keep a box of these leads from old devices and when we need one, maybe a
little longer we just fish one out. If they are not going to be all
containing an earth wire and do not show a plastic earth pin like a wall
wart, how would the user know?
Brian

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On 17/08/18 11:19, Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers
it is unless used in an appliance with a metal chassis that is connected
to IEE socket earth...



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I think the majority of the two core ones normally show the extra hole for
the earth is blocked up. some look like a kind of glue others are obviously
moulded that way, but either way, now you know you need to pump some glue in
its earth hole in case its used for something else later on.
Brian

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On Friday, 17 August 2018 11:41:49 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 11:34, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 11:19:33 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:

I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I
can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is
no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers

depends which tye of IEC lead it is. If it's a 3 pin connector, no. If
2 pin, yes.


NT

Yes, normal 3 pin with moulded 13A plug and moulded three pin C13 IEC
socket. All the usual BS approval markings, just no earth wire.
Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

Of course, I don't know where it came from, it's one of many.

Cheers

not safe & legal


NT

In article ,
Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Not uncommon, but pretty obvious as most usually flat, rather than round,
cable.

Why wouldn't it be legal? Up to the user to select the correct one for a
job. In other words, use the supplied lead.

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In article ,
Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 11:34, wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 11:19:33 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:

I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers

depends which tye of IEC lead it is. If it's a 3 pin connector, no. If 2 pin, yes.


NT

Yes, normal 3 pin with moulded 13A plug and moulded three pin C13 IEC
socket. All the usual BS approval markings, just no earth wire.
Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

Of course, I don't know where it came from, it's one of many.

Think the regs have changed since such leads became common. All the ones
I've seen these days are capable of the full rated current of the
connector, regardless of how little the appliance uses. Rather the same as
with many flexible chords to appliances.

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Brian Gaff wrote:

I have a CD player with an IEC socket on it and it has no
earth pin at all

That's a C18 inlet, rather than a C14, my AV amp is the same

so maybe it was made for this sort of appliance,

You can use a C13 lead and it won't use the earth pin, but it's designed
for C17 lead.

but it
would be a little bad if that was being used on a normal computer which has
an earth and a metal case if the psu shorted out as I have had more than
one do over the years by having an internal melt down shorting to the case.

The two-core C13 lead is clearly wrong, I've never seen that in any I've
cut open.

On 17/08/2018 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Not uncommon, but pretty obvious as most usually flat, rather than round,
cable.

Why wouldn't it be legal? Up to the user to select the correct one for a
job. In other words, use the supplied lead.

Because it's a 13A plug to three pin IEC C13 socket.

Cheers
--
Clive

Dave Plowman wrote:

Clive Arthur wrote:

Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

Think the regs have changed since such leads became common. All the ones
I've seen these days are capable of the full rated current of the
connector, regardless of how little the appliance uses.

With 0.7mm^2 cable, it's probably (hopefully?) only a 5A fuse in the plug.

In article ,
Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I
can shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there
is no earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Not uncommon, but pretty obvious as most usually flat, rather than
round, cable.

Why wouldn't it be legal? Up to the user to select the correct one for
a job. In other words, use the supplied lead.

Because it's a 13A plug to three pin IEC C13 socket.

But they clearly were 'legal' at one time. Lots of them around. For
appliances that don't have an earth. If you want to use it for something
else, up to you to make sure it is suitable. Or dispose of it when you
dispose of the equipment it came with.

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In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Clive Arthur wrote:

Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

Think the regs have changed since such leads became common. All the
ones I've seen these days are capable of the full rated current of the
connector, regardless of how little the appliance uses.

With 0.7mm^2 cable, it's probably (hopefully?) only a 5A fuse in the
plug.

Aren't all flexes fitted to a 13 amp plug meant to be able to blow even a
13 amp fuse in event of a short? But not necessarily handle the full 13
amps long term?

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On 17/08/2018 14:12, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Clive Arthur wrote:

Looking at the cable, it does say, among other things, 'KEMA-KEUR
300/300V 2X0.75mm2'

Think the regs have changed since such leads became common. All the ones
I've seen these days are capable of the full rated current of the
connector, regardless of how little the appliance uses.

With 0.7mm^2 cable, it's probably (hopefully?) only a 5A fuse in the plug.

13A fuse, but of course that may not be original.

Cheers
--
Clive

On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:06:50 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Not uncommon, but pretty obvious as most usually flat, rather than round,
cable.

Why wouldn't it be legal? Up to the user to select the correct one for a
job. In other words, use the supplied lead.

Because it's a 13A plug to three pin IEC C13 socket.
What would be wrong with that lead ?

I've just pulled one out of my box of leads in the lab.
three pin IEC C13 socket rated at 10 ams 250V
cable I'm unsure of cable but it says 0.75mm^2
The 3 pins mains plug is the standard 13amp type with a 5amp fuse fitted.

A label around the cable says BS 1362 complient
Passed safety test in feb 2017 re-test date feb 2018.

On 17/08/18 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Not uncommon, but pretty obvious as most usually flat, rather than round,
cable.

Why wouldn't it be legal?

Unless the earth hole is blocked, it's an accident waiting to happen.

On 17/08/2018 15:10, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:06:50 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Not uncommon, but pretty obvious as most usually flat, rather than round,
cable.

Why wouldn't it be legal? Up to the user to select the correct one for a
job. In other words, use the supplied lead.

Because it's a 13A plug to three pin IEC C13 socket.
What would be wrong with that lead ?

It has no earth and may be used on equipment where an earth is required.

I've just pulled one out of my box of leads in the lab.
three pin IEC C13 socket rated at 10 ams 250V
cable I'm unsure of cable but it says 0.75mm^2
The 3 pins mains plug is the standard 13amp type with a 5amp fuse fitted.

A label around the cable says BS 1362 complient

AIUI, BS1362 is for fuses.

Passed safety test in feb 2017 re-test date feb 2018.

Do you mean it passed a PAT test? I'm no mains lead expert, but surely
that can't be right?

Cheers
--
Clive

The Natural Philosopher used his keyboard to write :
it is unless used in an appliance with a metal chassis that is connected to
IEE socket earth...

Sorry, no it is very dangerous indeed. Supposing someone used it on an
appliance which required an earth connection?

The OP said moulded on plug - was it even fitted with a fuse and were
the plug pins sleeved?

After serious thinking Brian Gaff wrote :
I do not know, but I have a CD player with an IEC socket on it and it has no
earth pin at all, so maybe it was made for this sort of appliance, but it
would be a little bad if that was being used on a normal computer which has
an earth and a metal case if the psu shorted out as I have had more than one
do over the years by having an internal melt down shorting to the case.

Any 'kettle' type three pin socket, needs to be fitted with an earth to
be legal. It matters not at all that the CD player doesn't need an
earth and maybe has a plastic earth pin, the lead needs to have the
earth if a three pin.

whisky-dave presented the following explanation :
A label around the cable says BS 1362 complient
Passed safety test in feb 2017 re-test date feb 2018.

Then the PAT guy should be fired, he hasn't tested them, just stuck a
label on.

On 17/08/18 11:19, Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it.Â* There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers
I've seen them, but with the earth socket plug blanked (a C17 rather
than a C13) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320#C13/C14_coupler. I
take it this isn't like that?

On Friday, 17 August 2018 16:17:01 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 15:10, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:06:50 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I can
shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that there is no
earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Not uncommon, but pretty obvious as most usually flat, rather than round,
cable.

Why wouldn't it be legal? Up to the user to select the correct one for a
job. In other words, use the supplied lead.

Because it's a 13A plug to three pin IEC C13 socket.
What would be wrong with that lead ?

It has no earth and may be used on equipment where an earth is required.

I thought all C13 plugs on equipment required an earth as default.
Anything that doesn't need an earth uses one of those figure of 8 cable sockets/plugs.
Most of our monitors have a C13 and most equipment does too.

I'm not sure a C13 IEC lead/cable would pass a PAT test if given one.



I've just pulled one out of my box of leads in the lab.
three pin IEC C13 socket rated at 10 ams 250V
cable I'm unsure of cable but it says 0.75mm^2
The 3 pins mains plug is the standard 13amp type with a 5amp fuse fitted.

A label around the cable says BS 1362 complient

AIUI, BS1362 is for fuses.

approved by ASTA to BS 1362 exact wording

Yes difficult to get a sticky label around a fuse and the bottom of the label says' " warning-this appliance must be earthed" in shouty capitals :-)

AS I said I would not use an IEC lead that wasn't earthed UNLESS that lead came with the equipment and was meant to be used with that equipment not earthed.



Passed safety test in feb 2017 re-test date feb 2018.

Do you mean it passed a PAT test? I'm no mains lead expert, but surely
that can't be right?

We have a company come in and test things and they put stickers on.
We are told we must not use anything that hasn't been PAT tested unless it is new and less than a year old.


Cheers
--
Clive

On Friday, 17 August 2018 16:26:51 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
whisky-dave presented the following explanation :
A label around the cable says BS 1362 complient
Passed safety test in feb 2017 re-test date feb 2018.

Then the PAT guy should be fired, he hasn't tested them, just stuck a
label on.

Yes I know that is what I've suspected for the last 5 years or so.

In article , Clive Arthur
wrote:
On 17/08/2018 15:10, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:06:50 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Clive Arthur
wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I
can shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that
there is no earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be
legal?

Not uncommon, but pretty obvious as most usually flat, rather than
round, cable.

Why wouldn't it be legal? Up to the user to select the correct one
for a job. In other words, use the supplied lead.

Because it's a 13A plug to three pin IEC C13 socket.
What would be wrong with that lead ?

It has no earth and may be used on equipment where an earth is required.

I've just pulled one out of my box of leads in the lab. three pin IEC
C13 socket rated at 10 ams 250V cable I'm unsure of cable but it says
0.75mm^2 The 3 pins mains plug is the standard 13amp type with a 5amp
fuse fitted.

A label around the cable says BS 1362 complient

AIUI, BS1362 is for fuses.

Passed safety test in feb 2017 re-test date feb 2018.

Do you mean it passed a PAT test? I'm no mains lead expert, but surely
that can't be right?

Interestingly, my PAT tester has a fixed plug for testing IEC leads

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In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
whisky-dave presented the following explanation :
A label around the cable says BS 1362 complient
Passed safety test in feb 2017 re-test date feb 2018.

Then the PAT guy should be fired, he hasn't tested them, just stuck a
label on.

He might have done a visual inspection ;-)

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On Friday, 17 August 2018 17:01:38 UTC+1, charles wrote:
In article , Clive Arthur
wrote:
On 17/08/2018 15:10, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:06:50 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Clive Arthur
wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I
can shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that
there is no earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be
legal?

Not uncommon, but pretty obvious as most usually flat, rather than
round, cable.

Why wouldn't it be legal? Up to the user to select the correct one
for a job. In other words, use the supplied lead.

Because it's a 13A plug to three pin IEC C13 socket.
What would be wrong with that lead ?

It has no earth and may be used on equipment where an earth is required.

I've just pulled one out of my box of leads in the lab. three pin IEC
C13 socket rated at 10 ams 250V cable I'm unsure of cable but it says
0.75mm^2 The 3 pins mains plug is the standard 13amp type with a 5amp
fuse fitted.

A label around the cable says BS 1362 complient

AIUI, BS1362 is for fuses.

Passed safety test in feb 2017 re-test date feb 2018.

Do you mean it passed a PAT test? I'm no mains lead expert, but surely
that can't be right?

Interestingly, my PAT tester has a fixed plug for testing IEC leads


Whats a fixed plug ?

On 17/08/2018 16:17, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The Natural Philosopher used his keyboard to write :
it is unless used in an appliance with a metal chassis that is
connected to IEE socket earth...

Sorry, no it is very dangerous indeed. Supposing someone used it on an
appliance which required an earth connection?

The OP said moulded on plug - was it even fitted with a fuse and were
the plug pins sleeved?

Yes and yes, it looks to be perfectly normal.

Cheers
--
Clive

On 17/08/2018 16:30, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 17/08/18 11:19, Clive Arthur wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so I
can shorten it.Â* There is no earth wire, and no indication that there
is no earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be legal?

Cheers
I've seen them, but with the earth socket plug blanked (a C17 rather
than a C13) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320#C13/C14_coupler. I
take it this isn't like that?

No, it looks ordinary in every way. Only when you cut it as I did or
test it as Patrick Tester might do you find out there's no earth wire.

Cheers
--
Clive

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 16:17:01 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 15:10, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:06:50 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Clive Arthur
wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs so
I can shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication that
there is no earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be
legal?

Not uncommon, but pretty obvious as most usually flat, rather than
round, cable.

Why wouldn't it be legal? Up to the user to select the correct one
for a job. In other words, use the supplied lead.

Because it's a 13A plug to three pin IEC C13 socket.
What would be wrong with that lead ?

It has no earth and may be used on equipment where an earth is required.

I thought all C13 plugs on equipment required an earth as default.
Anything that doesn't need an earth uses one of those figure of 8 cable
sockets/plugs. Most of our monitors have a C13 and most equipment does
too.

I'm not sure a C13 IEC lead/cable would pass a PAT test if given one.



I've just pulled one out of my box of leads in the lab. three pin
IEC C13 socket rated at 10 ams 250V cable I'm unsure of cable but it
says 0.75mm^2 The 3 pins mains plug is the standard 13amp type with a
5amp fuse fitted.

A label around the cable says BS 1362 complient

AIUI, BS1362 is for fuses.

approved by ASTA to BS 1362 exact wording

Yes difficult to get a sticky label around a fuse and the bottom of the
label says' " warning-this appliance must be earthed" in shouty capitals
:-)

AS I said I would not use an IEC lead that wasn't earthed UNLESS that
lead came with the equipment and was meant to be used with that equipment
not earthed.



Passed safety test in feb 2017 re-test date feb 2018.

Do you mean it passed a PAT test? I'm no mains lead expert, but surely
that can't be right?

We have a company come in and test things and they put stickers on. We
are told we must not use anything that hasn't been PAT tested unless it
is new and less than a year old.

I've tested brand new stuff and failed it.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

whisky-dave used his keyboard to write :
Whats a fixed plug ?

I would guess at a ready made IEC on the PAT unit, to test the earth
terminal of such a lead - it would avoid the need to use a pointy probe
tip.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 17:01:38 UTC+1, charles wrote:
In article , Clive Arthur
wrote:
On 17/08/2018 15:10, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 17 August 2018 14:06:50 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/08/2018 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Clive Arthur
wrote:
I've just cut a bog standard IEC power lead with moulded plugs
so I can shorten it. There is no earth wire, and no indication
that there is no earth wire.

I'm aware that most things don't use the earth, but can this be
legal?

Not uncommon, but pretty obvious as most usually flat, rather
than round, cable.

Why wouldn't it be legal? Up to the user to select the correct
one for a job. In other words, use the supplied lead.

Because it's a 13A plug to three pin IEC C13 socket.
What would be wrong with that lead ?

It has no earth and may be used on equipment where an earth is
required.

I've just pulled one out of my box of leads in the lab. three pin
IEC C13 socket rated at 10 ams 250V cable I'm unsure of cable but
it says 0.75mm^2 The 3 pins mains plug is the standard 13amp type
with a 5amp fuse fitted.

A label around the cable says BS 1362 complient

AIUI, BS1362 is for fuses.

Passed safety test in feb 2017 re-test date feb 2018.

Do you mean it passed a PAT test? I'm no mains lead expert, but
surely that can't be right?

Interestingly, my PAT tester has a fixed plug for testing IEC leads


Whats a fixed plug ?

a plug (with pins on it) mounted on the front panel eg CPC part no CN08406

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle