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Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge.
It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? |
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On 29/07/18 19:39, JoeJoe wrote:
Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? You might want to consider a group joke angle grinder/group joke rather than bolt cutters which may take exception to a hardened padlock. |
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On 29/07/2018 19:39, JoeJoe wrote:
Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? Get someone to hold something heavy under it then tap it many times with a small hammer, changing the orientation every so often. Bill |
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On 29/07/18 19:47, Bill Wright wrote:
On 29/07/2018 19:39, JoeJoe wrote: Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? Get someone to hold something heavy under it then tap it many times with a small hammer, changing the orientation every so often. Bill And use silcone spopray or graphite grease - not WD40 -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 29/07/18 19:47, Bill Wright wrote: On 29/07/2018 19:39, JoeJoe wrote: Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? Get someone to hold something heavy under it then tap it many times with a small hammer, changing the orientation every so often. Bill And use silcone spopray or graphite grease - not WD40 Not graphite grease, powdered graphite. Any grease ends up with dirt in the lock. |
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"JoeJoe" wrote in message o.uk... Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? You should have used powdered graphite, not WD40. Works a treat on the padlock I lock the trailer up with. |
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On Sunday, 29 July 2018 22:22:18 UTC+1, ganga wrote:
"JoeJoe" wrote in message o.uk... Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? You should have used powdered graphite, not WD40. Works a treat on the padlock I lock the trailer up with. for an outdoor lock oil is better, it stops the innards rusting up. Angle grind it off. If you use bolt cutters, cut the brass not the hardened steel. NT |
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wrote in message ... On Sunday, 29 July 2018 22:22:18 UTC+1, ganga wrote: "JoeJoe" wrote in message o.uk... Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? You should have used powdered graphite, not WD40. Works a treat on the padlock I lock the trailer up with. for an outdoor lock oil is better, Nope, that is an outdoor lock. it stops the innards rusting up. They dont rust with a decent padlock and oil collects dirt. |
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On 29/07/2018 23:59, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sunday, 29 July 2018 22:22:18 UTC+1, gangaÂ* wrote: "JoeJoe" wrote in message o.uk... Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? You should have used powdered graphite, not WD40. Works a treat on the padlock I lock the trailer up with. for an outdoor lock oil is better, Nope, that is an outdoor lock. it stops the innards rusting up. They dont rust with a decent padlock and oil collects dirt. Try some 'Plus Gas' - a releasing oil, in the key hole and around the shackle. Wiggle the shackle. Leave. Repeat. Tap down on shackle. Try key. Whether lock is 'safe' to reuse is up to you, but the above tends to get seized ones open. -- Suspect someone is claiming a benefit under false pretences? Incapacity Benefit or Personal Independence Payment when they don't need it? They are depriving those in real need! https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud |
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"Brian Reay" wrote in message news On 29/07/2018 23:59, Rod Speed wrote: wrote in message ... On Sunday, 29 July 2018 22:22:18 UTC+1, ganga wrote: "JoeJoe" wrote in message o.uk... Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? You should have used powdered graphite, not WD40. Works a treat on the padlock I lock the trailer up with. for an outdoor lock oil is better, Nope, that is an outdoor lock. it stops the innards rusting up. They dont rust with a decent padlock and oil collects dirt. Try some 'Plus Gas' - a releasing oil, in the key hole Thats not a good idea, it then attracts dirt which make the lock worse. Powdered graphite works much better in the lock. and around the shackle. Wiggle the shackle. Leave. Repeat. Tap down on shackle. Try key. Whether lock is 'safe' to reuse is up to you, but the above tends to get seized ones open. No real risk with a padlock as long as it can be cut off if it doesnt respond to the usual fixes. But sometimes the whole system is designed so that the padlock can't actually be cut off, with the padlock in a decent hardened steel tube so that only where the key goes is accessible. So you have to destroy the entire thing in the worst case. |
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"ganga" wrote in message ... You should have used powdered graphite, not WD40. Works a treat on the padlock I lock the trailer up with. Is that the one you use for frying the kangaroo burgers in the car park of the Mooney Ponds Social Club, which you sell at the end of the Monthly Hop ? michael adams .... |
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JoeJoe wrote:
Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? Graphite. |
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:02:42 +1000, FMurtz wrote:
JoeJoe wrote: Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? Graphite. Yup. Powdered graphite on the key, plunge it in and out (oo-er!) And penetrating oil on the shackle. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 30/07/2018 10:27, Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:02:42 +1000, FMurtz wrote: JoeJoe wrote: Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? Graphite. Yup. Powdered graphite on the key, plunge it in and out (oo-er!) And penetrating oil on the shackle. If the problem is that the lock's full of muck I think it might need something to shift that before graphite powder. And a lot of muck has been blowing around in the dry weather. (WD40 does have the advantage that it comes with the little tube which can be used to blast it into the lock. Then wash that out and dry before the graphite.) -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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"Robin" wrote in message ... On 30/07/2018 10:27, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:02:42 +1000, FMurtz wrote: JoeJoe wrote: Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? Graphite. Yup. Powdered graphite on the key, plunge it in and out (oo-er!) And penetrating oil on the shackle. If the problem is that the lock's full of muck I think it might need something to shift that before graphite powder. I've never found that, but then I've never been silly enough to oil or grease a lock. And a lot of muck has been blowing around in the dry weather. But not much of that gets into locks. (WD40 does have the advantage that it comes with the little tube which can be used to blast it into the lock. Then wash that out and dry before the graphite.) Never found that to be necessary. The graphite works fine. |
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On Monday, 30 July 2018 11:06:32 UTC+1, Robin wrote:
On 30/07/2018 10:27, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:02:42 +1000, FMurtz wrote: JoeJoe wrote: Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years.. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? Graphite. Yup. Powdered graphite on the key, plunge it in and out (oo-er!) And penetrating oil on the shackle. If the problem is that the lock's full of muck I think it might need something to shift that before graphite powder. And a lot of muck has been blowing around in the dry weather. (WD40 does have the advantage that it comes with the little tube which can be used to blast it into the lock. Then wash that out and dry before the graphite.) I've just oiled some new outdoor locks as they were beginning to show rust. Whether you use graphite or oil things can go wrong, with iron locks I've had them last better with oil. I have just lost one that jammed shut, but unoiled they tend to last less well IMLE. NT |
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On 30/07/2018 11:06, Robin wrote:
On 30/07/2018 10:27, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:02:42 +1000, FMurtz wrote: JoeJoe wrote: Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? Graphite. Yup. Powdered graphite on the key, plunge it in and out (oo-er!) And penetrating oil on the shackle. If the problem is that the lock's full of muck I think it might need something to shift that before graphite powder. And a lot of muck has been blowing around in the dry weather.Â*Â* (WD40 does have the advantage that it comes with the little tube which can be used to blast it into the lock.Â* Then wash that out and dry before the graphite.) There is no sign of any dirt anywhere |
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"Bob Eager" wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:02:42 +1000, FMurtz wrote: JoeJoe wrote: Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? Graphite. Yup. Powdered graphite on the key, plunge it in and out (oo-er!) Better to get it in a plastic bottle with a nozzle and squirt that into the lock. Costs peanuts. And penetrating oil on the shackle. |
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Proper oil, not wd 40. Oh and push pull the loop bit a bit and give it a
major clout. However if it does unlock, I'd most certainly replace it. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "JoeJoe" wrote in message o.uk... Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? |
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On 30/07/2018 09:40, Brian Gaff wrote:
Proper oil, not wd 40. Oh and push pull the loop bit a bit and give it a major clout. However if it does unlock, I'd most certainly replace it. Brian My understanding is that most of the internals are made of corrosion free or brass parts (apart from the springs). This being the case I doubt if it has seized, more likely to have a worn pin or key which would prevent the key from turning. If the key insert ok then the springs will be free and not seized. |
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"ss" wrote in message ... On 30/07/2018 09:40, Brian Gaff wrote: Proper oil, not wd 40. Oh and push pull the loop bit a bit and give it a major clout. However if it does unlock, I'd most certainly replace it. Brian My understanding is that most of the internals are made of corrosion free or brass parts (apart from the springs). Yes. This being the case I doubt if it has seized, more likely to have a worn pin or key which would prevent the key from turning. Much more likely that the pins arent moving as freely as they used to due to dirt in the lock and so they dont slide down to the key properly, and so dont line up at the edge of the cylinder anymore, so the lock wont unlock. Powdered graphite fixes that and it then works fine again. If the key insert ok then the springs will be free and not seized. But the; pins wont necessarily slide freely. |
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:20:24 +1000, cantankerous senile geezer Rot Speed
blabbered, again: Proper oil, not wd 40. Oh and push pull the loop bit a bit and give it a major clout. However if it does unlock, I'd most certainly replace it. Brian My understanding is that most of the internals are made of corrosion free or brass parts (apart from the springs). Yes. LOL What an IDIOT! LOL -- Cursitor Doom about Rot Speed: "The man is a conspicuous and unashamed ignoramus." MID: |
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On 30/07/2018 12:20, Rod Speed wrote:
But the; pins wont necessarily slide freely. If the key slides in then the pins will have been lined up to the shear line. Taking in to account the spare keys dont operate the the lock then I would guess one or more of the pins have been worn or damaged. Other possibility is the barrel has seized |
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Rod Speed wrote But the; pins wont necessarily slide freely. If the key slides in then the pins will have been lined up to the shear line. Not if the pins done slide freely enough so that the pin comes down to the key. That why powdered graphite works, it ensures that happens. Taking in to account the spare keys dont operate the the lock then I would guess one or more of the pins have been worn or damaged. Much more likely that the pin isnt moving freely down to the key. I just had my front door key which has been used multiple times a day for more than 50 years now, end up very hard to get the key to open the door. Quirt of powdered graphite fixed that completely and now the key turns so freely that you wonder if its broken. Other possibility is the barrel has seized Never seen that happen, even with the padlock used to chain the trailer to the house which has a very hard life indeed. Corse its a decent quality brass heavy duty padlock. |
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Brian Gaff wrote
Proper oil, not wd 40. Nope that attracts dirt. Oh and push pull the loop bit a bit and give it a major clout. Use powdered graphite However if it does unlock, I'd most certainly replace it. "JoeJoe" wrote in message o.uk... Garden shed padlock is refusing to badge. It is (or at least looks like) one of these: https://www.masterlock.eu/home-personal/product/170EURD Had it for 10+ years, giving it a quirt of WD40 every couple of years. In the last couple of months it was a bit tricky to open - had to pull/push key in/out slightly until it would turn. Today it would not turn at all - key goes in, and nothing more. I tried the other two keys we have, but still nothing. Not too bothered about replacing it, but Before I get hold of the neighbour's bolt cutters, is there anything else I can try? |
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:00:45 +1000, cantankerous senile geezer Rot Speed
blabbered, again: Brian Gaff wrote Proper oil, not wd 40. Nope that attracts dirt. Oh and push pull the loop bit a bit and give it a major clout. Use powdered graphite Usage has shown that all three work, Ozzietard! -- dennis@home to know-it-all Rot Speed: "You really should stop commenting on things you know nothing about." Message-ID: |
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