On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 13:09:57 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 02/07/18 09:37, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 07:05:57 +0100, Richard
wrote:


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Like ... can you explain why you (potentially) have no concern what
your cat might be doing whilst not under your supervision?

Unlike you, I'm not a control freak.

Translation: Unlike me you aren't willing to be responsible for your
pet?


Is it *just* because you DGAF about anyone else (which is exactly how
I consider you) and how you might react if someone say regularly let
their dog sh1te all over your front garden (and not clear it up) or
climb on your car (scratching the paintwork) etc?

If I came round your house informing you that your cat climbed in
though our downstairs toilet window, fell into our toilet and then
scratched up our wallpaper in it's panicked efforts to get out and
that you owed us the cost of having that repaired, would you pay up?

If you could prove it, yes.

Ok.


If my dog had got hold of your cat (on our property) and caused
damage, requiring an expensive vets bill, would you expect me to pay
for it?

How many times do you need to be told. You don't have a dog.

Whoosh. You *really* don't do hypothetical very well do you? Ok, we
had a dog, what if it had happened when we did have a dog (is that
easier on your limited brain)?


I strongly
suggest you seek therapy for this imaginary man's best friend you have.

See above.


How much to you actually care for your cat. How much (/little) to you
care about those who live around you?

I care a lot about my cat.

Ok (we will see just how far this care extends) ...

His vet bills are not on the NHS

No, really?

and he gets
fed very well.

Ok.

I ensure he is indoors at night - don't particularly want
him to be fox food.

Or cause / be hurt in an accident when he runs in from of a moving
vehicle hopefully?

Having taken him for walks in the nature reserve,

How often do you do / have you done that?

he
does tend to take a dump there.

And you pick it up?

Before you scream about the cat fouling
the area,

Not scream, just asking reasonable questions about how we are
responsible for our own pets.

there are cattle in there at present and dog owners take their
dogs in - despite there being a sign asking them not to.

Then they aren't good pet owners and could be prosecuted for allowing
their animals to harass livestock and possibly risk having their
animals shot.

But that's
considerate dog owners for you.

No, that's *inconsiderate* pet owners for you. Any pet owner who
doesn't ensure they pet is under full control is considered
irresponsible. And weren't you the one negging 'control'?

You know the type.

I do (bad pet owners).

Bag up the dog ****
and hang it from trees.

Yup, disgusting. Mind you, there would probably be the same people who
litter or lets their cats out to sh1t in neighbours gardens or their
kids out to vandalise bus shelters.

There was one individual who I actually saw
doing just that and since being confronted, there has been no recurrence.

Excellent. Now, if I could just pin down the irresponsible cat owners
round here (you know, the same as the other irresponsible pet owners
you cite above). Compulsory chipping of cats (like with dogs) might be
a start. Then I could trap them (humanely of course), scan them and
return them to their owner (or have them collected by the Council and
they can pay the recovery / cattery fees etc) and have them clear up
their pets mess or pay to have it done.

The neighbours can do their own shopping etc.

What?

So, we seem to be in some agreement regarding what constitutes a
'responsible pet owner' but not when it comes to owning a cat for some
reason?

Cheers, T i m

On 2 Jul 2018 12:42:03 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:22:32 +0100, GB wrote:

On 02/07/2018 13:09, Richard wrote:
Bag up the dog **** and hang it from trees. There was one individual
who I actually saw doing just that and since being confronted, there
has been no recurrence.

Did he explain why he did it? I've never understood why.

Sorts out the cyclists using the paths in the park.

LOL!

Cheers, T i m

On 02/07/18 13:22, GB wrote:
On 02/07/2018 13:09, Richard wrote:
Bag up the dog **** and hang it from trees. There was one individual
who I actually saw doing just that and since being confronted, there
has been no recurrence.

Did he explain why he did it? I've never understood why.

Yes. He put it there and was going to collect it on returning. Trouble
is, I know he never did a return route, but would exit the reserve at
another gate.
Same prick had a bag of his dog **** returned to him when he decided to
drop it in a skip which was outside my place 0during building work.
Idiot had the cheek to confront me for delivering it to his house and
handing it to his wife while he was still out walking the **** machine.

In article ,
Richard wrote:
Same prick had a bag of his dog **** returned to him when he decided to
drop it in a skip which was outside my place 0during building work.
Idiot had the cheek to confront me for delivering it to his house and
handing it to his wife while he was still out walking the **** machine.

Good move. A bag of dog **** is going to put you well over the limit
weight wise on that skip. But didn't realised you owned that skip and
needed to keep it hygienic.

--
*A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 02/07/18 14:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Richard wrote:
Same prick had a bag of his dog **** returned to him when he decided to
drop it in a skip which was outside my place 0during building work.
Idiot had the cheek to confront me for delivering it to his house and
handing it to his wife while he was still out walking the **** machine.

Good move. A bag of dog **** is going to put you well over the limit
weight wise on that skip. But didn't realised you owned that skip and
needed to keep it hygienic.

Skip hired by builder for his use not as a receptacle for some lazy
*******'s dog ****.

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 14:35:14 +0100, Richard
wrote:

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Idiot had the cheek to confront me for delivering it to his house and
handing it to his wife while he was still out walking the **** machine.

Ah, good, so you have now agreed the responsibility of pet owners and
their fouling.

Right, now it's time to petition to make the chipping of cats
compulsory and having their DNA taken so the fouling can be linked to
the animal owner (and they can pay for the testing and cleanup).

Just in the same way some councils are threatening to chuck the
families of criminals (/feral kids) out of their council homes, why
shouldn't cat owners be made responsible for the lack of
responsibility / control over their pets, like the owners of most
other pets are?

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:07:29 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 02/07/18 14:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Richard wrote:
Same prick had a bag of his dog **** returned to him when he decided to
drop it in a skip which was outside my place 0during building work.
Idiot had the cheek to confront me for delivering it to his house and
handing it to his wife while he was still out walking the **** machine.

Good move. A bag of dog **** is going to put you well over the limit
weight wise on that skip. But didn't realised you owned that skip and
needed to keep it hygienic.

Skip hired by builder for his use not as a receptacle for some lazy
*******'s dog ****.

Lazy? He brought it back from where his dog deposited it and threw it
away in a rubbish collection utility (albeit it not his etc). You
leave your cat's sh1t in your neighbours gardens and vegetable
patches. Hypocrisy much?

I would be more than happy for the local cat owners to pick up their
own cat sh1t from my gardens and throw it in my general waste bin.



Cheers, T i m

On 02/07/18 15:11, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 14:35:14 +0100, Richard
wrote:

snip

Idiot had the cheek to confront me for delivering it to his house and
handing it to his wife while he was still out walking the **** machine.

Ah, good, so you have now agreed the responsibility of pet owners and
their fouling.

Right, now it's time to petition to make the chipping of cats
compulsory and having their DNA taken so the fouling can be linked to
the animal owner (and they can pay for the testing and cleanup)
Go for it.


Just in the same way some councils are threatening to chuck the
families of criminals (/feral kids) out of their council homes, why
shouldn't cat owners be made responsible for the lack of
responsibility / control over their pets, like the owners of most
other pets are?

No use ****ing and moaning here. Start your petition. Let's have a
referendum.

On Saturday, 30 June 2018 12:19:37 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Rt6Ju7hN7rkF8ip29

Is it possible in this door?

I'm wondering about a reduced length window in the centre section
and if possible, a new crosspiece to enable secure glazing and
place to put a cat flap. Is this possible post-manufacture?

Tim
--

Does look difficult.
https://www.montroseglass.co.uk/services/cat-flaps/

Or if you're lucky maybe there's a wall you can put a cat flap in using an extension corridor for thick walls.

On 02/07/18 15:22, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:07:29 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 02/07/18 14:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Richard wrote:
Same prick had a bag of his dog **** returned to him when he decided to
drop it in a skip which was outside my place 0during building work.
Idiot had the cheek to confront me for delivering it to his house and
handing it to his wife while he was still out walking the **** machine.

Good move. A bag of dog **** is going to put you well over the limit
weight wise on that skip. But didn't realised you owned that skip and
needed to keep it hygienic.

Skip hired by builder for his use not as a receptacle for some lazy
*******'s dog ****.

Lazy? He brought it back from where his dog deposited it and threw it
away in a rubbish collection utility (albeit it not his etc). You
leave your cat's sh1t in your neighbours gardens and vegetable
patches. Hypocrisy much?

I would be more than happy for the local cat owners to pick up their
own cat sh1t from my gardens and throw it in my general waste bin.

Haven't you got a petition to organise?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/check

In article ,
T i m wrote:
Skip hired by builder for his use not as a receptacle for some lazy
*******'s dog ****.

Lazy? He brought it back from where his dog deposited it and threw it
away in a rubbish collection utility (albeit it not his etc). You
leave your cat's sh1t in your neighbours gardens and vegetable
patches. Hypocrisy much?

I would be more than happy for the local cat owners to pick up their
own cat sh1t from my gardens and throw it in my general waste bin.

I quite often get 'takeaway' food bags, water bottles etc in my dustbin.
Rather a passer-by did that than just dump it on the street - or in a
garden.

But then I'm not ultra possessive over something designed to hold waste
products which will be disposed of anyway. Must be an extreme right wing
thing.

--
*Constipated People Don't Give A Crap*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 16:08:44 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 02/07/18 15:22, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:07:29 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 02/07/18 14:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Richard wrote:
Same prick had a bag of his dog **** returned to him when he decided to
drop it in a skip which was outside my place 0during building work.
Idiot had the cheek to confront me for delivering it to his house and
handing it to his wife while he was still out walking the **** machine.

Good move. A bag of dog **** is going to put you well over the limit
weight wise on that skip. But didn't realised you owned that skip and
needed to keep it hygienic.

Skip hired by builder for his use not as a receptacle for some lazy
*******'s dog ****.

Lazy? He brought it back from where his dog deposited it and threw it
away in a rubbish collection utility (albeit it not his etc). You
leave your cat's sh1t in your neighbours gardens and vegetable
patches. Hypocrisy much?

I would be more than happy for the local cat owners to pick up their
own cat sh1t from my gardens and throw it in my general waste bin.

No replies to any of the points above. I'm not surprised as there
isn't really much you can say is there?

Haven't you got a petition to organise?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/check

Here's one I don't have to do:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/217452

No point with this one till all cats are chipped (and ideally kept off
the streets):

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200529

Are some cat owners so thick that they never learn?

Or this:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/216991

See, you can't have it all. You can't allow your 'pet' to roam where
it likes and penalise others who end up killing or injuring it when it
runs out in front of them on the road?

I might sign this one though (we have too many (non native) cats as it
is):

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/212036

And you can see why someone would go to the levels this (cat) person
was petitioning against:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/203469

This looks a good idea:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/218619

Awww ... 'forever hoping' ... if you were more responsible for your
pet in the first place ...? We always knew where our dogs were ...
they were either on our property, on the end of a lead or 'under
control' if off the lead.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/202070

Once we get the law that ensures all cat owners have to get their pets
chipped, then we can record their DNA (and with dogs of course) and
then their owners can be held responsible easier. I can't see many
responsible owners having an issue with that, can you?

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:39:56 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

snip

I would be more than happy for the local cat owners to pick up their
own cat sh1t from my gardens and throw it in my general waste bin.

I quite often get 'takeaway' food bags, water bottles etc in my dustbin.
Rather a passer-by did that than just dump it on the street - or in a
garden.

Yup. We got a plastic bottle in the bottom of our empty green waste
wheely bin the other day, rather than the general waste bin next to it
but at least they tried. I also saw some 'yout' just tossing an empty
plastic bottle on the grass verge ... not even hiding the fact that
they were doing it.

But then I'm not ultra possessive over something designed to hold waste
products which will be disposed of anyway.

Quite ... 'failure to comprehend the bigger picture ...'

Must be an extreme right wing
thing.

It's unusual for Dicky to be right about anything. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 02/07/18 16:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 16:08:44 +0100, Richard
wrote:

snip


Haven't you got a petition to organise?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/check

Here's one I don't have to do:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/217452

No point with this one till all cats are chipped (and ideally kept off
the streets):

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200529

Are some cat owners so thick that they never learn?

Or this:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/216991

See, you can't have it all. You can't allow your 'pet' to roam where
it likes and penalise others who end up killing or injuring it when it
runs out in front of them on the road?

I might sign this one though (we have too many (non native) cats as it
is):

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/212036

And you can see why someone would go to the levels this (cat) person
was petitioning against:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/203469

This looks a good idea:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/218619

Awww ... 'forever hoping' ... if you were more responsible for your
pet in the first place ...? We always knew where our dogs were ...
they were either on our property, on the end of a lead or 'under
control' if off the lead.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/202070

Once we get the law that ensures all cat owners have to get their pets
chipped, then we can record their DNA (and with dogs of course) and
then their owners can be held responsible easier. I can't see many
responsible owners having an issue with that, can you?

LMAO. You actually think I'm going to click all those petition links?

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:20:22 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 02/07/18 16:42, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 16:08:44 +0100, Richard
wrote:

snip


Haven't you got a petition to organise?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/check

Here's one I don't have to do:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/217452

No point with this one till all cats are chipped (and ideally kept off
the streets):

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200529

Are some cat owners so thick that they never learn?

Or this:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/216991

See, you can't have it all. You can't allow your 'pet' to roam where
it likes and penalise others who end up killing or injuring it when it
runs out in front of them on the road?

I might sign this one though (we have too many (non native) cats as it
is):

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/212036

And you can see why someone would go to the levels this (cat) person
was petitioning against:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/203469

This looks a good idea:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/218619

Awww ... 'forever hoping' ... if you were more responsible for your
pet in the first place ...? We always knew where our dogs were ...
they were either on our property, on the end of a lead or 'under
control' if off the lead.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/202070

Once we get the law that ensures all cat owners have to get their pets
chipped, then we can record their DNA (and with dogs of course) and
then their owners can be held responsible easier. I can't see many
responsible owners having an issue with that, can you?

LMAO. You actually think I'm going to click all those petition links?

Don't see why not, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands?

Ah, I get it, you are too frightened / embarrassed that most those
links confirm support for all the points I've made.

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:22:43 +0100, Richard
wrote:

snip

Let's have a referendum.

Good idea, then we can fix things ...

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/unite-around-my-nutters-version-of-brexit-may-tells-britain-20180302145241

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/northern-ireland-border-could-be-beaded-curtain-says-government-20180228145116

Cheers, T i m