I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked perfectly well the last
time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no grip. So
has the pin diameter changed with metrication? Or is my gun broken?

--
AnthonyL

lid (AnthonyL) Wrote in message:
I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked perfectly well the last
time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no grip. So
has the pin diameter changed with metrication? Or is my gun broken?

Presumably there is a spring loaded gripper pawl inside the rivet
gun. Maybe it's just sticking?


Tim



--

On 15/06/2018 12:54, AnthonyL wrote:
I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked perfectly well the last
time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no grip. So
has the pin diameter changed with metrication? Or is my gun broken?


Have you got any original rivets to compare with the new ones.

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank diameters.
The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit the
appropriate one for the rivets.
--
Cheers,
Roger
____________
Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom
checked.

In article ,
AnthonyL wrote:
I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked perfectly well the last
time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no grip. So
has the pin diameter changed with metrication? Or is my gun broken?

Don't think they have changed - assuming the same size rivet. But on mine
the gripper mechanism is the same for all sizes - you just change the
nozzle. I'd check the gripper hasn't seized.

--
*I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don't care.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100
Roger Mills wrote:

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank
diameters. The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit
the appropriate one for the rivets.

But the nozzles just press on the rivet head, they don't grip the nail.

On Friday, 15 June 2018 15:25:01 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100
Roger Mills wrote:

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank
diameters. The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit
the appropriate one for the rivets.

But the nozzles just press on the rivet head,

correct

they don't grip the nail.


the rivetter must, or it won't do anything useful. As said probably a sticking mechanism.


NT

AnthonyL wrote

I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked
perfectly well the last time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no
grip. So has the pin diameter changed with metrication?

Nope, the one I built the house with in the very early 70s
still works fine with new rivets.

Or is my gun broken?

Yep.

On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 15/06/2018 12:54, AnthonyL wrote:
I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked perfectly well the last
time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no grip. So
has the pin diameter changed with metrication? Or is my gun broken?


Have you got any original rivets to compare with the new ones.


No

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank diameters.
The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit the
appropriate one for the rivets.

Yes the gun has 3 different nozzles.

--
AnthonyL

On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 04:48:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

AnthonyL wrote

I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked
perfectly well the last time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no
grip. So has the pin diameter changed with metrication?

Nope, the one I built the house with in the very early 70s
still works fine with new rivets.

Or is my gun broken?

Yep.

Well the last time it was used was in Perth, WA so maybe it's an
antipodean thing.

Or I'll go for something seized/sticking.

Or splash the cash and buy a replacement.

In emergency can pliers/mole-grips work?

--
AnthonyL

On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 04:48:04 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again:


Or is my gun broken?

Yep.

ROTFLOL! Senile Mr Know-it-all, knows it all, AGAIN! ****ing unbelievable!
LOL

On Friday, 15 June 2018 21:58:38 UTC+1, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 04:48:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:
AnthonyL wrote

I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked
perfectly well the last time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no
grip. So has the pin diameter changed with metrication?

Nope, the one I built the house with in the very early 70s
still works fine with new rivets.

Or is my gun broken?

Yep.

Well the last time it was used was in Perth, WA so maybe it's an
antipodean thing.

Or I'll go for something seized/sticking.

Or splash the cash and buy a replacement.

In emergency can pliers/mole-grips work?

Pliers no. Mole grips plus nail puller I doubt, let us know.


NT

Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100
Roger Mills wrote:

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank
diameters. The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit
the appropriate one for the rivets.

But the nozzles just press on the rivet head, they don't grip the nail.

They do have a connection with gripping, look at the taper on the end of
the nozzle it is in a different place for each one,the taper acts on
the gripping jaws

AnthonyL wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 15/06/2018 12:54, AnthonyL wrote:
I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked perfectly well the last
time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no grip. So
has the pin diameter changed with metrication? Or is my gun broken?


Have you got any original rivets to compare with the new ones.


No

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank diameters.
The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit the
appropriate one for the rivets.

Yes the gun has 3 different nozzles.

Try the right one for the rivet.

"AnthonyL" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 04:48:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

AnthonyL wrote

I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked
perfectly well the last time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no
grip. So has the pin diameter changed with metrication?

Nope, the one I built the house with in the very early 70s
still works fine with new rivets.

Or is my gun broken?

Yep.

Well the last time it was used was in Perth,
WA so maybe it's an antipodean thing.

Nope, most of our pop rivet guns and rivets are imported.

Or I'll go for something seized/sticking.

I did initially thing that, but then I realised
that pulling the handle should have enough
force to close the jaws on the rivet nail.

More likely what used to move the jaws
closed when you squeezer the handles
has broken so that squeezing the handles
no longer moves the jaws IMO.

Or splash the cash and buy a replacement.

Yeah, they arent expensive. I've added some
more from garage sales just so I don’t have
to hunt up the original one when I need to
pop some more rivets.

In emergency can pliers/mole-grips work?

No, you need a lot of force to pop the rivet.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 09:44:34 +1000, FMurtz
wrote:

AnthonyL wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100, Roger Mills
wrote:

On 15/06/2018 12:54, AnthonyL wrote:
I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked perfectly well the last
time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no grip. So
has the pin diameter changed with metrication? Or is my gun broken?


Have you got any original rivets to compare with the new ones.


No

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank diameters.
The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit the
appropriate one for the rivets.

Yes the gun has 3 different nozzles.

Try the right one for the rivet.

Jeez I would never thought of that, I was using the left one.

--
AnthonyL

On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:45:18 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"AnthonyL" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 04:48:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

AnthonyL wrote

I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked
perfectly well the last time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no
grip. So has the pin diameter changed with metrication?

Nope, the one I built the house with in the very early 70s
still works fine with new rivets.

Or is my gun broken?

Yep.

Well the last time it was used was in Perth,
WA so maybe it's an antipodean thing.

Nope, most of our pop rivet guns and rivets are imported.


Well, I meant worked when upsidedown!

But yes it is a Spiralux Model 2730 Heavy Duty Riveter bought from
McPherson's Ltd for $14.30.

I wonder if it had a lifetime guarantee.

--
AnthonyL

"AnthonyL" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:45:18 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"AnthonyL" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 04:48:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

AnthonyL wrote

I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked
perfectly well the last time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no
grip. So has the pin diameter changed with metrication?

Nope, the one I built the house with in the very early 70s
still works fine with new rivets.

Or is my gun broken?

Yep.

Well the last time it was used was in Perth,
WA so maybe it's an antipodean thing.

Nope, most of our pop rivet guns and rivets are imported.


Well, I meant worked when upsidedown!

I'd have you publicly flogged if you hadn't enjoyed that so much the last
time.

But yes it is a Spiralux Model 2730 Heavy Duty Riveter bought from
McPherson's Ltd for $14.30.

I wonder if it had a lifetime guarantee.

Not sure anything did at that time. Pretty sure that came later.

In article ,
wrote:
On Friday, 15 June 2018 21:58:38 UTC+1, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 04:48:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:
AnthonyL wrote

I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked
perfectly well the last time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no
grip. So has the pin diameter changed with metrication?

Nope, the one I built the house with in the very early 70s
still works fine with new rivets.

Or is my gun broken?

Yep.

Well the last time it was used was in Perth, WA so maybe it's an
antipodean thing.

Or I'll go for something seized/sticking.

Or splash the cash and buy a replacement.

In emergency can pliers/mole-grips work?

Pliers no. Mole grips plus nail puller I doubt, let us know.


Is it worth it given how cheap a new pop riveter can be bought for?

--
*WHAT IF THERE WERE NO HYPOTHETICAL QUESTIONS?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 19:20:10 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again:

Well, I meant worked when upsidedown!

I'd have you publicly flogged if you hadn't enjoyed that so much the last
time.

Now, now, senile Rot!

He

https://thetravellingtiles.files.wor...b6f9820001.jpg

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On 15/06/2018 16:44, wrote:
On Friday, 15 June 2018 15:25:01 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100
Roger Mills wrote:

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank
diameters. The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit
the appropriate one for the rivets.

But the nozzles just press on the rivet head,

correct

they don't grip the nail.


the rivetter must, or it won't do anything useful. As said probably a sticking mechanism.


NT

Yup. Soak it in WD40.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:45:18 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"AnthonyL" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 04:48:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

AnthonyL wrote

I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked
perfectly well the last time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no
grip. So has the pin diameter changed with metrication?

Nope, the one I built the house with in the very early 70s
still works fine with new rivets.

Or is my gun broken?

Yep.

Well the last time it was used was in Perth,
WA so maybe it's an antipodean thing.

Nope, most of our pop rivet guns and rivets are imported.


Well, I meant worked when upsidedown!

But yes it is a Spiralux Model 2730 Heavy Duty Riveter bought from
McPherson's Ltd for $14.30.

I wonder if it had a lifetime guarantee.

No one ever takes much notice of me,if you have the wrong nozzle in, the
taper on the inside end may be holding the gripper jaws apart long
enough to slip, although the taper's prime purpose is to make it let
go,look closely at the design.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:37:57 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 15/06/2018 16:44, wrote:
On Friday, 15 June 2018 15:25:01 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100
Roger Mills wrote:

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank
diameters. The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit
the appropriate one for the rivets.

But the nozzles just press on the rivet head,

correct

they don't grip the nail.


the rivetter must, or it won't do anything useful. As said probably a sticking mechanism.


NT

Yup. Soak it in WD40.


Well a combination of factors but a good spray of WD40 followed by
some graphite oil once dried and lots of vigorous opening an closing,
plus shoving a panel pin into the slightly corroded nozzle and after
managing to get a couple of rivets in the whole gun started to smooth
up nicely - job done.

Thanks to all who made sensible suggestions.

--
AnthonyL

On 17/06/2018 12:37, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:37:57 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 15/06/2018 16:44, wrote:
On Friday, 15 June 2018 15:25:01 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100
Roger Mills wrote:

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank
diameters. The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit
the appropriate one for the rivets.

But the nozzles just press on the rivet head,

correct

they don't grip the nail.


the rivetter must, or it won't do anything useful. As said probably a sticking mechanism.


NT

Yup. Soak it in WD40.


Well a combination of factors but a good spray of WD40 followed by
some graphite oil once dried and lots of vigorous opening an closing,
plus shoving a panel pin into the slightly corroded nozzle and after
managing to get a couple of rivets in the whole gun started to smooth
up nicely - job done.

Thanks to all who made sensible suggestions.


Sorry, you are quite right of course. The mechanical jiggling is a
significant part of it.

I was just trying to get Tabs to bite:-)

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 20:58:36 +0000, AnthonyL wrote:

In emergency can pliers/mole-grips work?

Nope. You have to keep the rivet up hard against the workpiece whilst the
shank is withdrawn.
BTW, you're lucky to still have that old gun; the most common Chinese-
made ones you find on the market today are total ****E.



--
This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via
the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other
protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of
GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet
protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition.

In article ,
Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 20:58:36 +0000, AnthonyL wrote:

In emergency can pliers/mole-grips work?

Nope. You have to keep the rivet up hard against the workpiece whilst the
shank is withdrawn.
BTW, you're lucky to still have that old gun; the most common Chinese-
made ones you find on the market today are total ****E.

Think what you actually mean is if you buy the very very cheapest you can
find, you sometimes get what you pay for...

--
*Don't squat with your spurs on *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sunday, 17 June 2018 12:37:52 UTC+1, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:37:57 +0100, newshound
wrote:
On 15/06/2018 16:44, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 15 June 2018 15:25:01 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100
Roger Mills wrote:

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank
diameters. The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit
the appropriate one for the rivets.

But the nozzles just press on the rivet head,

correct

they don't grip the nail.


the rivetter must, or it won't do anything useful. As said probably a sticking mechanism.


NT

Yup. Soak it in WD40.


Well a combination of factors but a good spray of WD40 followed by
some graphite oil once dried and lots of vigorous opening an closing,
plus shoving a panel pin into the slightly corroded nozzle and after
managing to get a couple of rivets in the whole gun started to smooth
up nicely - job done.

Thanks to all who made sensible suggestions.

nice one. I much prefer fixing old tools to buying new - usually.


NT

On Sunday, 17 June 2018 17:46:21 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 17/06/2018 12:37, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:37:57 +0100, newshound
wrote:
On 15/06/2018 16:44, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 15 June 2018 15:25:01 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100
Roger Mills wrote:

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank
diameters. The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit
the appropriate one for the rivets.

But the nozzles just press on the rivet head,

correct

they don't grip the nail.


the rivetter must, or it won't do anything useful. As said probably a sticking mechanism.


NT

Yup. Soak it in WD40.


Well a combination of factors but a good spray of WD40 followed by
some graphite oil once dried and lots of vigorous opening an closing,
plus shoving a panel pin into the slightly corroded nozzle and after
managing to get a couple of rivets in the whole gun started to smooth
up nicely - job done.

Thanks to all who made sensible suggestions.


Sorry, you are quite right of course. The mechanical jiggling is a
significant part of it.

I was just trying to get Tabs to bite:-)

but you didn't provide a mouse


NT

On 17/06/2018 20:29, wrote:
On Sunday, 17 June 2018 17:46:21 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 17/06/2018 12:37, AnthonyL wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:37:57 +0100, newshound
wrote:
On 15/06/2018 16:44, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 15 June 2018 15:25:01 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:21:32 +0100
Roger Mills wrote:

There are several sizes of pop rivet - with different shank
diameters. The better guns have several nozzles, allowing you to fit
the appropriate one for the rivets.

But the nozzles just press on the rivet head,

correct

they don't grip the nail.


the rivetter must, or it won't do anything useful. As said probably a sticking mechanism.


NT

Yup. Soak it in WD40.


Well a combination of factors but a good spray of WD40 followed by
some graphite oil once dried and lots of vigorous opening an closing,
plus shoving a panel pin into the slightly corroded nozzle and after
managing to get a couple of rivets in the whole gun started to smooth
up nicely - job done.

Thanks to all who made sensible suggestions.


Sorry, you are quite right of course. The mechanical jiggling is a
significant part of it.

I was just trying to get Tabs to bite:-)

but you didn't provide a mouse


NT

I thought "fish oil" might be enough

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On Friday, 15 June 2018 12:54:32 UTC+1, AnthonyL wrote:
I've got an old pop-rivet gun which worked perfectly well the last
time I used it, maybe 1978.

Bought a selection of rivets the other day and there is no grip. So
has the pin diameter changed with metrication? Or is my gun broken?

--
AnthonyL

You'll probably find that the "gripper" bit has got crap/corrosion on it preventing it from biting on the rivet shank.
Dismantle & clean up.
They grip a wide range of sizes when working.