"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1
€¢See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas usage
as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the electricity.

Cheers



Dave R

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On 12/06/18 12:40, David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1
€¢See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas usage
as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the electricity.

Cheers



I was under the impression that they haven't yet started rolling out the
series 2 meters so the necessity for change in the future and current
incompatibility between certain suppliers is still at issue(BICBW)

Nick

On 12/06/2018 13:18, Nick Odell wrote:
On 12/06/18 12:40, David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1
€¢See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas usage
as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the electricity.

Cheers



I was under the impression that they haven't yet started rolling out the
series 2 meters so the necessity for change in the future and current
incompatibility between certain suppliers is still at issue(BICBW)

Nick
Eon keep pestering me to have a smart meter. They cannot understand that
they attempted to fit one "eons" ago, and fail;ed. it was too far from
their useless base to work. However they keep pestering me.

On 12/06/2018 13:43, Broadback wrote:

Eon keep pestering me to have a smart meter. They cannot understand that
they attempted to fit one "eons" ago, and fail;ed. it was too far from
their useless base to work. However they keep pestering me.

Maybe the mobile phone network has been upgraded?
If the smart meter doesn't work then the O2 network signal is weak.

In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 12/06/2018 13:43, Broadback wrote:

Eon keep pestering me to have a smart meter. They cannot understand
that they attempted to fit one "eons" ago, and fail;ed. it was too far
from their useless base to work. However they keep pestering me.

Maybe the mobile phone network has been upgraded? If the smart meter
doesn't work then the O2 network signal is weak.

I don't think they use a mobile phone network. They have their own.

--
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On 12/06/2018 15:03, charles wrote:
In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 12/06/2018 13:43, Broadback wrote:

Eon keep pestering me to have a smart meter. They cannot understand
that they attempted to fit one "eons" ago, and fail;ed. it was too far
from their useless base to work. However they keep pestering me.

Maybe the mobile phone network has been upgraded? If the smart meter
doesn't work then the O2 network signal is weak.

I don't think they use a mobile phone network. They have their own.

I have no problems with my mobile phone, so that cannot be the case.
Just p*ss poor equipment.

charles was thinking very hard :
I don't think they use a mobile phone network. They have their own.

They use the nomal mobile phone network, when there is surplus capacity
on the network, after midnight.

On 12/06/18 15:03, charles wrote:
In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 12/06/2018 13:43, Broadback wrote:

Eon keep pestering me to have a smart meter. They cannot understand
that they attempted to fit one "eons" ago, and fail;ed. it was too far
from their useless base to work. However they keep pestering me.

Maybe the mobile phone network has been upgraded? If the smart meter
doesn't work then the O2 network signal is weak.

I don't think they use a mobile phone network. They have their own.

They use the mobile phone network. They do not have their own


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time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

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On 12/06/2018 15:03, charles wrote:
In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 12/06/2018 13:43, Broadback wrote:

Eon keep pestering me to have a smart meter. They cannot understand
that they attempted to fit one "eons" ago, and fail;ed. it was too far
from their useless base to work. However they keep pestering me.

Maybe the mobile phone network has been upgraded? If the smart meter
doesn't work then the O2 network signal is weak.

I don't think they use a mobile phone network. They have their own.

The EoN meter I have uses the mobile network. There is no reason to
install another network and there aren't any bandwidth licenses
available for them to use anyway.

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 12/06/2018 13:43, Broadback wrote:

Eon keep pestering me to have a smart meter. They cannot understand
that they attempted to fit one "eons" ago, and fail;ed. it was too far
from their useless base to work. However they keep pestering me.

Maybe the mobile phone network has been upgraded? If the smart meter
doesn't work then the O2 network signal is weak.

I don't think they use a mobile phone network.

Corse they do.

They have their own.

That would be insanely expensive for each supplier to do.

The problem with all of this is that are they absolutely sure this time that
they are unhackable and reliable on all tarrifs?
Also if anyone in your area has a blind resident, make sure they ask for
one of the talking remote units that offgen told me are readily available
but EDF say they cannot buy.
Brian

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"David" wrote in message
...
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
.No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
.No more estimated bills1
.See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas usage
as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the electricity.

Cheers



Dave R

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Brian Gaff wrote

The problem with all of this is that are they absolutely sure this time
that they are unhackable

Why is that so crucial ?

and reliable on all tariffs?

No reason why they shouldn’t be and that’s a back office
function anyway, not what happens in the meter itself.

Also if anyone in your area has a blind resident, make sure they ask for
one of the talking remote units that offgen told me are readily available
but EDF say they cannot buy.

Why would most care about what the meter reads when
most don’t bother to read their meter with stupid meters.

And that’s the remote anyway, not the meter itself, so even
if it isnt currently available, it will be sometime later.

And presumably most blind people don’t live alone anyway.

"David" wrote in message
...
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
.No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
.No more estimated bills1
.See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas usage
as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the electricity.

Cheers



Dave R

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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 12:40:06 +0100, David wrote:

"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1
€¢See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas usage
as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the electricity.

Cheers

I would never touch EON with a barge pole. They were in the papers for
taking someone to court for non-payment who wasn't even their customer.
And they phoned me FIFTEEN times on a mobile number they shouldn't have
had to persuade me to change to them. They eventually desisted when I
yelled at them with many swearwords. The previous fourteen calls I'd hung
up.

As for smart meters, I simply block any number that calls me to persuade
me to get one. I don't have to get one, so I'm not having one.

David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1
€¢See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas usage
as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the electricity.

Cheers



Dave R

There is only one reason for foisting smart meters on us and that is to
make more money for the suppliers

"FMurtz" wrote in message
...
David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1
€¢See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas usage
as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the electricity.

There is only one reason for foisting smart meters on us and that is to
make more money for the suppliers

Bull****. The other reasons are to save the immense cost of all those
meter readers, and to provide an incentive for the consumers to use
their higher power using stuff when its cheaper to buy that power
and so they can charge less for what they supply.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:54:33 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again:

There is only one reason for foisting smart meters on us and that is to
make more money for the suppliers

Bull****. The other reasons are to save the immense cost of all those
meter readers, and to provide an incentive for the consumers to use
their higher power using stuff when its cheaper to buy that power
and so they can charge less for what they supply.

Ever wondered why no one in real life is willing to have a conversation with
you, senile know-it-all? BG

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"**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
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On Wednesday, 13 June 2018 05:54:45 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"FMurtz" wrote in message
...
David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1
€¢See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas usage
as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the electricity.

There is only one reason for foisting smart meters on us and that is to
make more money for the suppliers

Bull****. The other reasons are to save the immense cost of all those
meter readers,

More profit you mean.


and to provide an incentive for the consumers to use
their higher power using stuff when its cheaper to buy that power
and so they can charge less for what they supply.

yeah sure.

Rod Speed wrote:


"FMurtz" wrote in message
...
David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1
€¢See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if
there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas
usage
as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the electricity.

There is only one reason for foisting smart meters on us and that is
to make more money for the suppliers

Bull****. The other reasons are to save the immense cost of all those
meter readers, and to provide an incentive for the consumers to use
their higher power using stuff when its cheaper to buy that power
and so they can charge less for what they supply.
That is what I said, to make more money.

"FMurtz" wrote in message
news
Rod Speed wrote:


"FMurtz" wrote in message
...
David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as
part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1
€¢See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there
is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you
switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas
usage
as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the electricity.

There is only one reason for foisting smart meters on us and that is to
make more money for the suppliers

Bull****. The other reasons are to save the immense cost of all those
meter readers, and to provide an incentive for the consumers to use
their higher power using stuff when its cheaper to buy that power
and so they can charge less for what they supply.

That is what I said, to make more money.

Nope, to have lower costs so they can flog their power
for a lower cost in a very aggressively competitive market.

Thats why most operations have overseas call centers now.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:57:16 +1000, FMurtz wrote:

David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
•No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
•No more estimated bills1
•See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there
is a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas
usage as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the
electricity.

Cheers



Dave R

There is only one reason for foisting smart meters on us and that is to
make more money for the suppliers

+1

And, I may add, their shareholders.

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On 13/06/2018 13:41, Martin Barclay wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:57:16 +1000, FMurtz wrote:

David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
•No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
•No more estimated bills1
•See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there
is a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas
usage as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the
electricity.

Cheers



Dave R

There is only one reason for foisting smart meters on us and that is to
make more money for the suppliers

+1

And, I may add, their shareholders.


I don't think EDF Energy (formerly SEEBoard) has shareholders.

The owner (since 2012) is a Hong Kong-based zillionaire.

EDF (france) is still state-owned.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 19:29:42 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 13/06/2018 13:41, Martin Barclay wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:57:16 +1000, FMurtz wrote:

David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as
part of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news
is they have great benefits for you:
•No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
•No more estimated bills1
•See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there
is a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you
switch suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas
usage as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the
electricity.

Cheers



Dave R

There is only one reason for foisting smart meters on us and that is to
make more money for the suppliers

+1

And, I may add, their shareholders.


I don't think EDF Energy (formerly SEEBoard) has shareholders.

The owner (since 2012) is a Hong Kong-based zillionaire.

EDF (france) is still state-owned.

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...1ZZEUREQS.html

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The Microsoft cyber attack | DW Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGLS2rSQPQ

On 13/06/2018 19:29, Andrew wrote:
snip

I don't think EDF Energy (formerly SEEBoard) has shareholders.

The owner (since 2012) is a Hong Kong-based zillionaire.

EDF Energy is still a subsidiary of EDF S.A.


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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 13/06/2018 23:32, Robin wrote:
On 13/06/2018 19:29, Andrew wrote:
snip

I don't think EDF Energy (formerly SEEBoard) has shareholders.

The owner (since 2012) is a Hong Kong-based zillionaire.

EDF Energy is still a subsidiary of EDF S.A.



No it isn't and hasn't been since 2012.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDF_Energy

The French state owned EDF still owns generating plants and other
UK stuff but SEEBoard (as was) is now Chinese owned and actually
called UK power networks. It was sold to raise money to pay for
Hinkley C.

Quite why they are still using the EDF brand on all the bills and
vehicles is a mystery.

On 13/06/2018 08:34, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:57:16 +1000, FMurtz wrote:

David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as
part of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is
they have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1 €¢See how much energy you're using and what
it's costing you, with a helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there
is a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you
switch suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas
usage as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the
electricity.

Cheers



Dave R

There is only one reason for foisting smart meters on us and that is to
make more money for the suppliers

It's to allow the industry to avoid building new power stations (because
people are so greenwashed to not understand why a windmill in the next
country can't power the entire UK grid) by conning people into thinking
they need less electricity. With the added bonus that they will be able
to simply cut people off remotely without any need to prove a reason. (If
they *can* they *will*).

If they were serious about such things, then they would have delivered
"smart meters" (they're not smart btw) which had *2* feeds. An
uninterruptible standard tariff, and an interruptible lower tariff (cf
Economy 7). Then the householder could configure their home to the most
economic/efficient setup.

Instead we're getting interruptible for the price of uninterruptible.
Trebles all round !


There is no requirement for interruptible feeds..
You do what they do in industry...

if you exceed X kW during time period Y you pay more. Then its up to the
consumer to decide if they want to pay or turn it off.

What they should do is have green tariffs where if the consumption
exceeds the generation they can charge them a lot more to cover the cost
of backup plant needed because of the renewable energy generation.

In article ,
David writes:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1
€¢See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

There are no SMETS 2 meters being installed yet.
No one should be allowing a SMETS 1 meter to be installed.

--
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[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 14/06/2018 22:53, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
David writes:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
€¢No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
€¢No more estimated bills1
€¢See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there is
a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

There are no SMETS 2 meters being installed yet.
No one should be allowing a SMETS 1 meter to be installed.


There was another item about this on todays Rip-Off_Britain where
the ladies pointed out that most of the smart meters installed to date
are SMETS1 (The BBC are learning !!) and become dumb if you switch
supplier.

On 15/06/2018 13:34, Andrew wrote:
snip



...and become dumb if you switch
supplier.

As an unqualified statement that is just plain wrong. We have switched
between 4 times between 3 different suppliers with the same smart meters
working as such for both gas and electricity. We are not alone. So if
anyone is dumb it is (still) the BBC.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

Robin laid this down on his screen :
As an unqualified statement that is just plain wrong. We have switched
between 4 times between 3 different suppliers with the same smart meters
working as such for both gas and electricity. We are not alone. So if
anyone is dumb it is (still) the BBC.

...and in the same program, they seemed to be suggesting that some
SMET2's are being installed. Last I heard was that some test samples of
SMET2's were being installed.

My experience so far, is three sets of new meters, with three swaps of
suppliers.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 12:02:43 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2018-06-12, David wrote:
"We need to upgrade your electricity and gas meters to our new self-
reading smart meters.
Why are we changing your meters?
We need to install smart meters into all of our customers' homes as part
of a government led nationwide upgrade programme. The good news is they
have great benefits for you:
•No need to provide meter readings, they're sent to us automatically
•No more estimated bills1
•See how much energy you're using and what it's costing you, with a
helpful in-home display.
"

However I can ring up and tell them that I don't want one. :-)

I wonder how many neighbours will go onto smart metering?

Having had the knee jerk "No Way!!!" response, I am wondering if there
is a major down side if the meter is SMETS 2 compatible.

Do all power companies support SMETS 2 meters and use them if you switch
suppliers?

The only minor benefit I can see at the moment is monitoring of gas
usage as I already have a free clamp on meter from EON for the
electricity.

You should always look at these things from the PoV of;

- What happens if it goes wrong?
- What happens if it's hacked/compromised? - What benefits accrue to the
people trying to "sell" this to me? - What happens if it's abused?

rather then from the PoV of the minimal benefits that accrue to you.

Smart meters - 5 points:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHQT16jBFEw

--
Microsoft has EU in its grip:-

The Microsoft cyber attack | DW Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGLS2rSQPQ

On 12/06/2018 13:10, Martin Barclay wrote:


Smart meters - 5 points:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHQT16jBFEw


Well that's pretty much BS.

Smart meters save you money even if you don't have one as they don't
need an army of readers to go out and read them.

They can save you money as some companies are now offering different
tariffs to customers with smart meters as they can give free days or
variable tariffs. If your lifestyle fits one of these tariffs you save
money if it doesn't, well neither does the one you are on.

As for data mining, well just what can you tell from a meter reading
every few minutes? Answer not a lot. Is it worth anything, well to them
as buyers of energy yes, to anyone else probably not.

On 12/06/2018 14:20, dennis@home wrote:
Smart meters save you money even if you don't have one as they don't
need an army of readers to go out and read them.

Then that 'saving' is for the company, NOT the consumer.

I send an accurate electric meter reading every three months
when EDF send me an email requesting it. My balance is updated
immediately and I can pay immediately or wait 2 days to get
an actual electronic bill and then pay it.

However, if I was on direct debits (sic) then i would be
paying an *estimated* amount every month, whereas I actually
pay the proper balance in FULL, and yet derive none of the
financial bribes for DD.

Since most people on DD ended up in credit it is easy to see
why the energy companies preferred DD's.

On 12/06/2018 14:39, Andrew wrote:
On 12/06/2018 14:20, dennis@home wrote:
Smart meters save you money even if you don't have one as they don't
need an army of readers to go out and read them.

Then that 'saving' is for the company, NOT the consumer.

I send an accurate electric meter reading every three months
when EDF send me an email requesting it. My balance is updated
immediately and I can pay immediately or wait 2 days to get
an actual electronic bill and then pay it.

However, if I was on direct debits (sic) then i would be
paying an *estimated* amount every month, whereas I actually
pay the proper balance in FULL, and yet derive none of the
financial bribes for DD.

Since most people on DD ended up in credit it is easy to see
why the energy companies preferred DD's.


We have had smart meters for 5+ years. We have never been in credit by
more than about £75. With the interest rates over that period, the loss
of income to us is trivial. It is dwarfed by the discounts/lower
tariffs offered for monthly DDs.



--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 12/06/2018 14:49, Robin wrote:
On 12/06/2018 14:39, Andrew wrote:
On 12/06/2018 14:20, dennis@home wrote:
Smart meters save you money even if you don't have one as they don't
need an army of readers to go out and read them.

Then that 'saving' is for the company, NOT the consumer.

I send an accurate electric meter reading every three months
when EDF send me an email requesting it. My balance is updated
immediately and I can pay immediately or wait 2 days to get
an actual electronic bill and then pay it.

However, if I was on direct debits (sic) then i would be
paying an *estimated* amount every month, whereas I actually
pay the proper balance in FULL, and yet derive none of the
financial bribes for DD.

Since most people on DD ended up in credit it is easy to see
why the energy companies preferred DD's.


We have had smart meters for 5+ years.Â* We have never been in credit by
more than about £75.Â* With the interest rates over that period, the loss
of income to us is trivial.Â* It is dwarfed by the discounts/lower
tariffs offered for monthly DDs.


You can change them anyway so you don't run up credit.

On 12/06/2018 14:49, Robin wrote:
We have never been in credit by more than about £75.

I have never, ever been in credit except for bloody BT
who made it almost impossible to avoid paying by DD.

Multiply your £75 by a few million customers and you can
see why utilities just luv 'em, especially when they know
that most customers are too lazy or stupid to send
accurate meter readings in.

On 12/06/2018 14:39, Andrew wrote:
On 12/06/2018 14:20, dennis@home wrote:
Smart meters save you money even if you don't have one as they don't
need an army of readers to go out and read them.

Then that 'saving' is for the company, NOT the consumer.

The consumer pays for all the costs of a business!


I send an accurate electric meter reading every three months
when EDF send me an email requesting it. My balance is updated
immediately and I can pay immediately or wait 2 days to get
an actual electronic bill and then pay it.

However, if I was on direct debits (sic) then i would be
paying an *estimated* amount every month, whereas I actually
pay the proper balance in FULL, and yet derive none of the
financial bribes for DD.

Since most people on DD ended up in credit it is easy to see
why the energy companies preferred DD's.


They like to know they are getting money to spend rather than risk you
not paying when the bill arrives and them having to borrow to cover your
debt and pay the collectors, etc.

The actual rate of interest they can earn on your cash is quite low
compared to the costs if you don't pay.

Maybe you could get a better deal by paying 3 months in advance? Or how
about a smart meter and paying daily or by the unit?

On 12/06/2018 17:11, dennis@home wrote:
The consumer pays for all the costs of a business!

But benefits from *none* of any savings that they
(the customer) make on behalf of the company.

Take BT, they used to give credits for customers
opting for electronic bills. Then the saving was
quietly removed, along with a variety of call credits
and free caller-id.

On 12/06/18 14:39, Andrew wrote:
On 12/06/2018 14:20, dennis@home wrote:
Smart meters save you money even if you don't have one as they don't
need an army of readers to go out and read them.

Then that 'saving' is for the company, NOT the consumer.

I send an accurate electric meter reading every three months
when EDF send me an email requesting it. My balance is updated
immediately and I can pay immediately or wait 2 days to get
an actual electronic bill and then pay it.

However, if I was on direct debits (sic) then i would be
paying an *estimated* amount every month, whereas I actually
pay the proper balance in FULL, and yet derive none of the
financial bribes for DD.

Since most people on DD ended up in credit it is easy to see
why the energy companies preferred DD's.

+1

It is even more obvious that it is a fiddle to benefit the utility
companies as this sort of "direct debit" is effectively nothing more
than a standing order. Yet the companies will not allow you the reduced
tariff associated with direct debit by accepting a standing order
instead. All that is needed is a balancing payment once a year - either
debit or credit - so you only pay for the energy you actually use.

Of course, it doesn't matter if you overpay by £10 a month does it? You
don't really don't miss interest on that £10 as the interest rates are
so low. Now multiply that by a million for the total number of customers
the company has, and that £10 million can generate a nice amount of
interest for them.

But surely the companies don't set up monthly fixed DDs for smart meter
customers, do they? I assumed they would simply deduct the correct
amount from your account each month as they have an accurate energy use
reading.

--

Jeff

On 12/06/2018 17:12, Jeff Layman wrote:

But surely the companies don't set up monthly fixed DDs for smart meter
customers, do they? I assumed they would simply deduct the correct
amount from your account each month as they have an accurate energy use
reading.


You appear to be ignoring or discounting the fact that many people
(perhaps on lower incomes than you or with less interest in advance
budgeting) like to pay the same every month rather than (usually)
significantly less in summer and more in winter.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

Jeff Layman pretended :
Of course, it doesn't matter if you overpay by £10 a month does it? You don't
really don't miss interest on that £10 as the interest rates are so low. Now
multiply that by a million for the total number of customers the company has,
and that £10 million can generate a nice amount of interest for them.

Of course there is at least one company, which pays you interest on any
over payment. More than the interest you would get from the best bank
account.