This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional microwave ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under the food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under there and is redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy rotating waveguide, and the magnetron sits at the side as before?

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On Friday, 1 June 2018 15:23:49 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
So how do they make them flat under the food cavity in flatbed ovens?
Does the magnetron sit under there and is redesigned to be flat? Or
is there some kind of fancy rotating waveguide, and the magnetron sits
at the side as before?

I asked Mr Google that exact question, and Mr Google said:

With the Flatbed microwave the microwaves are emitted from a rotating antenna located underneath the base of your microwave. The microwaves still bounce around the cavity but at slightly different angles to the turntable microwave.

http://eng-au.faq.panasonic.com/app/...tbed-microwave.

Why do the flatbed microwave times vary compared to turntable ovens?

Please note that this product uses bottom feeding technology for microwave distribution which differs from traditional turntable side feeding methods and creates more useable space for a variety of different sized dishes.
With the flatbed style you may notice a difference in heating times (in microwave mode) when compared against side feeding appliances.
This is quite normal and should not cause any concern. One way to overcome this is to use a cooking trivett to place under your dish.

Owain

This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional microwave ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under the food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under there and is redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy rotating waveguide, and the magnetron sits at the side as before?


Basically the later I should think.

The one I had in the 1980s had a large aperture covered with mica on
the roof of the cooking cavity. The Magnetron was at the side of the
cavity with a brass wave guide leading up to the top. A squirrel-cage
fan blows air up the wave guide and not only cools the Magnetron, but
also rotates a paddle-wheel at the top, a rotating antenna, carrying
multiple reflectors thar distribute the radiation throughout the
cavity. I imagine modern bottom entry ones do a similar trick, but I
have yet to work on one.

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:13:58 +0100, wrote:

On Friday, 1 June 2018 15:23:49 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
So how do they make them flat under the food cavity in flatbed ovens?
Does the magnetron sit under there and is redesigned to be flat? Or
is there some kind of fancy rotating waveguide, and the magnetron sits
at the side as before?

I asked Mr Google that exact question, and Mr Google said:

With the Flatbed microwave the microwaves are emitted from a rotating antenna located underneath the base of your microwave. The microwaves still bounce around the cavity but at slightly different angles to the turntable microwave.

http://eng-au.faq.panasonic.com/app/...tbed-microwave.

Why do the flatbed microwave times vary compared to turntable ovens?

Please note that this product uses bottom feeding technology for microwave distribution which differs from traditional turntable side feeding methods and creates more useable space for a variety of different sized dishes.
With the flatbed style you may notice a difference in heating times (in microwave mode) when compared against side feeding appliances.
This is quite normal and should not cause any concern. One way to overcome this is to use a cooking trivett to place under your dish.

Thjat's precisely the site I read before asking in here. That doesn't say how they get the magnetron to fit though.

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:21:19 +0100, Graham. wrote:

This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional microwave ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under the food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under there and is redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy rotating waveguide, and the magnetron sits at the side as before?


Basically the later I should think.

The one I had in the 1980s had a large aperture covered with mica on
the roof of the cooking cavity. The Magnetron was at the side of the
cavity with a brass wave guide leading up to the top. A squirrel-cage
fan blows air up the wave guide and not only cools the Magnetron, but
also rotates a paddle-wheel at the top, a rotating antenna, carrying
multiple reflectors thar distribute the radiation throughout the
cavity. I imagine modern bottom entry ones do a similar trick, but I
have yet to work on one.

I didn't realise they were available in 1980. So why aren't they all like that? Does it add a lot to the price?

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:21:19 +0100, Graham., yet another braindead,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered:

Basically the later I should think.

Basically you ARE a senile troll-feeding moron!

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:13:58 -0700 (PDT), s ,
another mentally deficient, troll-feeding Google groper, blabbered:


I asked Mr Google that exact question, and Mr Google said:

"Mr Google"? What a blithering senile IDIOT! tsk

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:21:19 +0100, Graham. wrote:

This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional microwave ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under the food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under there and is redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy rotating waveguide, and the magnetron sits at the side as before?


Basically the later I should think.

The one I had in the 1980s had a large aperture covered with mica on
the roof of the cooking cavity. The Magnetron was at the side of the
cavity with a brass wave guide leading up to the top. A squirrel-cage
fan blows air up the wave guide and not only cools the Magnetron, but
also rotates a paddle-wheel at the top, a rotating antenna, carrying
multiple reflectors thar distribute the radiation throughout the
cavity. I imagine modern bottom entry ones do a similar trick, but I
have yet to work on one.

I didn't realise they were available in 1980. So why aren't they all like that? Does it add a lot to the price?

The one we had is in the last illustration on this page

https://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/P...iterature.html

I've still got the 170 page hard-back cookery book.
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 18:13:54 +0100, Graham. wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:21:19 +0100, Graham. wrote:

This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional microwave ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under the food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under there and is redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy rotating waveguide, and the magnetron sits at the side as before?


Basically the later I should think.

The one I had in the 1980s had a large aperture covered with mica on
the roof of the cooking cavity. The Magnetron was at the side of the
cavity with a brass wave guide leading up to the top. A squirrel-cage
fan blows air up the wave guide and not only cools the Magnetron, but
also rotates a paddle-wheel at the top, a rotating antenna, carrying
multiple reflectors thar distribute the radiation throughout the
cavity. I imagine modern bottom entry ones do a similar trick, but I
have yet to work on one.

I didn't realise they were available in 1980. So why aren't they all like that? Does it add a lot to the price?

The one we had is in the last illustration on this page

https://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/P...iterature.html

I've still got the 170 page hard-back cookery book.

Bloody hell, those look like very well made and very expensive(?) products.

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On 01/06/2018 18:13, Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:21:19 +0100, Graham. wrote:

This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional microwave ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under the food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under there and is redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy rotating waveguide, and the magnetron sits at the side as before?


Basically the later I should think.

The one I had in the 1980s had a large aperture covered with mica on
the roof of the cooking cavity. The Magnetron was at the side of the
cavity with a brass wave guide leading up to the top. A squirrel-cage
fan blows air up the wave guide and not only cools the Magnetron, but
also rotates a paddle-wheel at the top, a rotating antenna, carrying
multiple reflectors thar distribute the radiation throughout the
cavity. I imagine modern bottom entry ones do a similar trick, but I
have yet to work on one.

I didn't realise they were available in 1980. So why aren't they all like that? Does it add a lot to the price?

The one we had is in the last illustration on this page

https://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/P...iterature.html

I've still got the 170 page hard-back cookery book.


That looks quite a sophisticated one for the early 80s. We bought one
around 1981 and it had just a simple turn and 'run back' timer. It did
last about 17 years, with only a couple of O rings in the turn table
drive. We only disposed of it as it started to look tatty.

We've had several since, none have lasted so well.



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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 18:13:54 +0100, Graham., yet another braindead,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered:

The one we had is in the last illustration on this page

You've been had by the dumbest troll these groups have ever seen, you brain
dead idiot!

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 19:06:45 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:

On 01/06/2018 18:13, Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:21:19 +0100, Graham. wrote:

This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional microwave ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under the food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under there and is redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy rotating waveguide, and the magnetron sits at the side as before?


Basically the later I should think.

The one I had in the 1980s had a large aperture covered with mica on
the roof of the cooking cavity. The Magnetron was at the side of the
cavity with a brass wave guide leading up to the top. A squirrel-cage
fan blows air up the wave guide and not only cools the Magnetron, but
also rotates a paddle-wheel at the top, a rotating antenna, carrying
multiple reflectors thar distribute the radiation throughout the
cavity. I imagine modern bottom entry ones do a similar trick, but I
have yet to work on one.

I didn't realise they were available in 1980. So why aren't they all like that? Does it add a lot to the price?

The one we had is in the last illustration on this page

https://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/P...iterature.html

I've still got the 170 page hard-back cookery book.


That looks quite a sophisticated one for the early 80s. We bought one
around 1981 and it had just a simple turn and 'run back' timer. It did
last about 17 years, with only a couple of O rings in the turn table
drive. We only disposed of it as it started to look tatty.

We've had several since, none have lasted so well.

I once had a microwave that decided to run continuously for no reason, I think some water got through into the workings underneath. Maybe it was just the motor, but I couldn't be bothered as it was a cheap oven so I threw it out. I should have had a look inside.

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Fancy roatting waveguide, how do you think radar sets do it?
Blimey, you is gettin worse wiv your silly kwesteongs.
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This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional microwave
ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under the
food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under there and is
redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy rotating waveguide,
and the magnetron sits at the side as before?

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Back many years ago this idea was tried by Philips, their microwaves with
the drop down door, and with rotating aerial rather than a turntable. to be
quite honest it was rubbish and left cold spots in the food so you still had
to stop and turn the food.

I think the mistake is that the cavity is not moved in relation to the food
so standing waves still exist in the same places and only moving the food
relative to those is a true answer to this.
End of story.
Brian

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On Friday, 1 June 2018 15:23:49 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
So how do they make them flat under the food cavity in flatbed ovens?
Does the magnetron sit under there and is redesigned to be flat? Or
is there some kind of fancy rotating waveguide, and the magnetron sits
at the side as before?

I asked Mr Google that exact question, and Mr Google said:

With the Flatbed microwave the microwaves are emitted from a rotating
antenna located underneath the base of your microwave. The microwaves
still bounce around the cavity but at slightly different angles to the
turntable microwave.

http://eng-au.faq.panasonic.com/app/...tbed-microwave.

Why do the flatbed microwave times vary compared to turntable ovens?

Please note that this product uses bottom feeding technology for microwave
distribution which differs from traditional turntable side feeding methods
and creates more useable space for a variety of different sized dishes.
With the flatbed style you may notice a difference in heating times (in
microwave mode) when compared against side feeding appliances.
This is quite normal and should not cause any concern. One way to
overcome this is to use a cooking trivett to place under your dish.

Owain

I have no experience of radar sets. And google did not explain the inner workings of a microwave. I just got adverts from manufacturers saying how the cooking was easier and better.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:21:22 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Fancy roatting waveguide, how do you think radar sets do it?
Blimey, you is gettin worse wiv your silly kwesteongs.
Brian



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That doesn't make sense. Spinning the pattern of microwave radiation must be identical to spinning the food. In both cases they are rotated in relation to one another.


On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:25:40 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Back many years ago this idea was tried by Philips, their microwaves with
the drop down door, and with rotating aerial rather than a turntable. to be
quite honest it was rubbish and left cold spots in the food so you still had
to stop and turn the food.

I think the mistake is that the cavity is not moved in relation to the food
so standing waves still exist in the same places and only moving the food
relative to those is a true answer to this.
End of story.
Brian



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On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 21:21:22 +0100, Brian Daft, the notorious, obviously
mentally deficient, troll-feeding senile idiot, blabbered again:

Fancy roatting waveguide, how do you think radar sets do it?
Blimey, you is gettin worse wiv your silly kwesteongs.
Brian

Trust that you brain dead idiot will not miss out on feeding him! tsk

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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On 01/06/2018 18:13, Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:21:19 +0100, Graham.
wrote:

This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional
microwave ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under
the food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under there
and is redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy rotating
waveguide, and the magnetron sits at the side as before?


Basically the later I should think.

The one I had in the 1980s had a large aperture covered with mica on
the roof of the cooking cavity. The Magnetron was at the side of the
cavity with a brass wave guide leading up to the top. A squirrel-cage
fan blows air up the wave guide and not only cools the Magnetron, but
also rotates a paddle-wheel at the top, a rotating antenna, carrying
multiple reflectors thar distribute the radiation throughout the
cavity. I imagine modern bottom entry ones do a similar trick, but I
have yet to work on one.

I didn't realise they were available in 1980. So why aren't they all
like that? Does it add a lot to the price?

The one we had is in the last illustration on this page

https://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/P...iterature.html

I've still got the 170 page hard-back cookery book.


That looks quite a sophisticated one for the early 80s. We bought one
around 1981 and it had just a simple turn and 'run back' timer. It did
last about 17 years, with only a couple of O rings in the turn table
drive. We only disposed of it as it started to look tatty.

I'm still using the Sharp I bought in 73 almost every day.

It does have a proper electronic control and display.

Never had to do a thing to it.

Corse now it will curl up and die and it will be your fault.

We've had several since, none have lasted so well.

On Friday, 1 June 2018 21:32:34 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:25:40 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Back many years ago this idea was tried by Philips, their microwaves with
the drop down door, and with rotating aerial rather than a turntable. to be
quite honest it was rubbish and left cold spots in the food so you still had
to stop and turn the food.

I think the mistake is that the cavity is not moved in relation to the food
so standing waves still exist in the same places and only moving the food
relative to those is a true answer to this.
End of story.
Brian

That doesn't make sense. Spinning the pattern of microwave radiation must be identical to spinning the food. In both cases they are rotated in relation to one another.

not identical at all. turntables produce much better evenness than stirrers. Both together are best.


NT

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:12:06 -0700 (PDT), , another
mentally challenged, troll-feeding idiot, driveled again:



not identical at all. turntables produce much better evenness than
stirrers. Both together are best.

NT

There's nothing better together than a troll and his troll-feeding
counterpart, right, you troll-feeding senile moron?

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:08:15 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news
On 01/06/2018 18:13, Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:21:19 +0100, Graham.
wrote:

This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional
microwave ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under
the food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under there
and is redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy rotating
waveguide, and the magnetron sits at the side as before?


Basically the later I should think.

The one I had in the 1980s had a large aperture covered with mica on
the roof of the cooking cavity. The Magnetron was at the side of the
cavity with a brass wave guide leading up to the top. A squirrel-cage
fan blows air up the wave guide and not only cools the Magnetron, but
also rotates a paddle-wheel at the top, a rotating antenna, carrying
multiple reflectors thar distribute the radiation throughout the
cavity. I imagine modern bottom entry ones do a similar trick, but I
have yet to work on one.

I didn't realise they were available in 1980. So why aren't they all
like that? Does it add a lot to the price?

The one we had is in the last illustration on this page

https://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/P...iterature.html

I've still got the 170 page hard-back cookery book.


That looks quite a sophisticated one for the early 80s. We bought one
around 1981 and it had just a simple turn and 'run back' timer. It did
last about 17 years, with only a couple of O rings in the turn table
drive. We only disposed of it as it started to look tatty.

I'm still using the Sharp I bought in 73 almost every day.

It does have a proper electronic control and display.

Never had to do a thing to it.

Corse now it will curl up and die and it will be your fault.

Whatever happened to Sharp, they still seem to be in business, but I haven't seen anything made by them for a decade or two.

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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:12:06 +0100, wrote:

On Friday, 1 June 2018 21:32:34 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:25:40 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Back many years ago this idea was tried by Philips, their microwaves with
the drop down door, and with rotating aerial rather than a turntable. to be
quite honest it was rubbish and left cold spots in the food so you still had
to stop and turn the food.

I think the mistake is that the cavity is not moved in relation to the food
so standing waves still exist in the same places and only moving the food
relative to those is a true answer to this.
End of story.
Brian

That doesn't make sense. Spinning the pattern of microwave radiation must be identical to spinning the food. In both cases they are rotated in relation to one another.

not identical at all. turntables produce much better evenness than stirrers. Both together are best.

As I said, it's relative. The food and the microwave pattern are relative to each other. Where the oven is and where the kitchen is don't matter. If you rotate the food, or rotate the microwave pattern, PRECISELY the same effect is achieved.

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"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:08:15 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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On 01/06/2018 18:13, Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:21:19 +0100, Graham.
wrote:

This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional
microwave ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under
the food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under
there
and is redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy
rotating
waveguide, and the magnetron sits at the side as before?


Basically the later I should think.

The one I had in the 1980s had a large aperture covered with mica on
the roof of the cooking cavity. The Magnetron was at the side of the
cavity with a brass wave guide leading up to the top. A squirrel-cage
fan blows air up the wave guide and not only cools the Magnetron, but
also rotates a paddle-wheel at the top, a rotating antenna, carrying
multiple reflectors thar distribute the radiation throughout the
cavity. I imagine modern bottom entry ones do a similar trick, but I
have yet to work on one.

I didn't realise they were available in 1980. So why aren't they all
like that? Does it add a lot to the price?

The one we had is in the last illustration on this page

https://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/P...iterature.html

I've still got the 170 page hard-back cookery book.


That looks quite a sophisticated one for the early 80s. We bought one
around 1981 and it had just a simple turn and 'run back' timer. It did
last about 17 years, with only a couple of O rings in the turn table
drive. We only disposed of it as it started to look tatty.

I'm still using the Sharp I bought in 73 almost every day.

It does have a proper electronic control and display.

Never had to do a thing to it.

Corse now it will curl up and die and it will be your fault.

Whatever happened to Sharp,

Nothing special here.

they still seem to be in business,

Yep.

but I haven't seen anything made by them for a decade or two.

They arent as cheap as the worst crap but still buyable here.
https://www.sharp.net.au/

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 12:01:14 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:08:15 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news On 01/06/2018 18:13, Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:21:19 +0100, Graham.
wrote:

This is what I think of as a magnetron, as used in conventional
microwave ovens with a turntable:
http://www.hokuto.co.jp/eng/products...dex_img_01.gif
It's about the size of a fist. So how do they make them flat under
the food cavity in flatbed ovens? Does the magnetron sit under
there
and is redesigned to be flat? Or is there some kind of fancy
rotating
waveguide, and the magnetron sits at the side as before?


Basically the later I should think.

The one I had in the 1980s had a large aperture covered with mica on
the roof of the cooking cavity. The Magnetron was at the side of the
cavity with a brass wave guide leading up to the top. A squirrel-cage
fan blows air up the wave guide and not only cools the Magnetron, but
also rotates a paddle-wheel at the top, a rotating antenna, carrying
multiple reflectors thar distribute the radiation throughout the
cavity. I imagine modern bottom entry ones do a similar trick, but I
have yet to work on one.

I didn't realise they were available in 1980. So why aren't they all
like that? Does it add a lot to the price?

The one we had is in the last illustration on this page

https://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/P...iterature.html

I've still got the 170 page hard-back cookery book.


That looks quite a sophisticated one for the early 80s. We bought one
around 1981 and it had just a simple turn and 'run back' timer. It did
last about 17 years, with only a couple of O rings in the turn table
drive. We only disposed of it as it started to look tatty.

I'm still using the Sharp I bought in 73 almost every day.

It does have a proper electronic control and display.

Never had to do a thing to it.

Corse now it will curl up and die and it will be your fault.

Whatever happened to Sharp,

Nothing special here.

they still seem to be in business,

Yep.

but I haven't seen anything made by them for a decade or two.

They arent as cheap as the worst crap but still buyable here.
https://www.sharp.net.au/

Maybe here too, but I just haven't seen anyone with a Sharp device for 20 years. They used to be everywhere. AFAIK they were always midrange. Not overpriced like Sony, but decent. Something like LG.

Just checked a retailer he https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/househ...-criteria.html
5 Sharp microwaves on offer, but 40 Russell Hobbs, 29 Bosch, 24 Swan, 15 Samsung, 25 Hotpoint. So not the most popular by far.

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again:

Nothing special here.

NEITHER of you two idiotic trolls is! BG


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On Saturday, 2 June 2018 11:41:57 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:12:06 +0100, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 1 June 2018 21:32:34 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:25:40 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Back many years ago this idea was tried by Philips, their microwaves with
the drop down door, and with rotating aerial rather than a turntable. to be
quite honest it was rubbish and left cold spots in the food so you still had
to stop and turn the food.

I think the mistake is that the cavity is not moved in relation to the food
so standing waves still exist in the same places and only moving the food
relative to those is a true answer to this.
End of story.
Brian

That doesn't make sense. Spinning the pattern of microwave radiation must be identical to spinning the food. In both cases they are rotated in relation to one another.

not identical at all. turntables produce much better evenness than stirrers. Both together are best.

As I said, it's relative. The food and the microwave pattern are relative to each other. Where the oven is and where the kitchen is don't matter. If you rotate the food, or rotate the microwave pattern, PRECISELY the same effect is achieved.

I know you think that, you already said. And as so many have pointed out you're clueless.


NT

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 12:44:35 +0100, wrote:

On Saturday, 2 June 2018 11:41:57 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:12:06 +0100, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 1 June 2018 21:32:34 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:25:40 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Back many years ago this idea was tried by Philips, their microwaves with
the drop down door, and with rotating aerial rather than a turntable. to be
quite honest it was rubbish and left cold spots in the food so you still had
to stop and turn the food.

I think the mistake is that the cavity is not moved in relation to the food
so standing waves still exist in the same places and only moving the food
relative to those is a true answer to this.
End of story.
Brian

That doesn't make sense. Spinning the pattern of microwave radiation must be identical to spinning the food. In both cases they are rotated in relation to one another.

not identical at all. turntables produce much better evenness than stirrers. Both together are best.

As I said, it's relative. The food and the microwave pattern are relative to each other. Where the oven is and where the kitchen is don't matter. If you rotate the food, or rotate the microwave pattern, PRECISELY the same effect is achieved.

I know you think that, you already said. And as so many have pointed out you're clueless.

Not one person has pointed out why one is more efficient than the other. Please do explain and I will be happy to accept I'm wrong. I doubt Panasonic will though.

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On Saturday, 2 June 2018 13:08:57 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 12:44:35 +0100, tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 2 June 2018 11:41:57 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:12:06 +0100, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 1 June 2018 21:32:34 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:25:40 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Back many years ago this idea was tried by Philips, their microwaves with
the drop down door, and with rotating aerial rather than a turntable. to be
quite honest it was rubbish and left cold spots in the food so you still had
to stop and turn the food.

I think the mistake is that the cavity is not moved in relation to the food
so standing waves still exist in the same places and only moving the food
relative to those is a true answer to this.
End of story.
Brian

That doesn't make sense. Spinning the pattern of microwave radiation must be identical to spinning the food. In both cases they are rotated in relation to one another.

not identical at all. turntables produce much better evenness than stirrers. Both together are best.

As I said, it's relative. The food and the microwave pattern are relative to each other. Where the oven is and where the kitchen is don't matter. If you rotate the food, or rotate the microwave pattern, PRECISELY the same effect is achieved.

I know you think that, you already said. And as so many have pointed out you're clueless.

Not one person has pointed out why one is more efficient than the other. Please do explain and I will be happy to accept I'm wrong. I doubt Panasonic will though.

you're too clueless to even accept you might be wrong. I'm not going to spend any more time on this.

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:10:14 +0100, wrote:

On Saturday, 2 June 2018 13:08:57 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 12:44:35 +0100, tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 2 June 2018 11:41:57 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:12:06 +0100, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 1 June 2018 21:32:34 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:25:40 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Back many years ago this idea was tried by Philips, their microwaves with
the drop down door, and with rotating aerial rather than a turntable. to be
quite honest it was rubbish and left cold spots in the food so you still had
to stop and turn the food.

I think the mistake is that the cavity is not moved in relation to the food
so standing waves still exist in the same places and only moving the food
relative to those is a true answer to this.
End of story.
Brian

That doesn't make sense. Spinning the pattern of microwave radiation must be identical to spinning the food. In both cases they are rotated in relation to one another.

not identical at all. turntables produce much better evenness than stirrers. Both together are best.

As I said, it's relative. The food and the microwave pattern are relative to each other. Where the oven is and where the kitchen is don't matter. If you rotate the food, or rotate the microwave pattern, PRECISELY the same effect is achieved.

I know you think that, you already said. And as so many have pointed out you're clueless.

Not one person has pointed out why one is more efficient than the other. Please do explain and I will be happy to accept I'm wrong. I doubt Panasonic will though.

you're too clueless to even accept you might be wrong. I'm not going to spend any more time on this.

I haven't been given information to accept or otherwise. Not one person has put forward any argument for your side. Not one. And as I said, Panasonic seem to think the flatbed system is better. Feel free to argue with their managing director. Good luck with that.

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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:14:53 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:


I haven't been given information to accept or otherwise. Not one person has put forward any argument for your side. Not one. And as I said, Panasonic seem to think the flatbed system is better. Feel free to argue with their managing director. Good luck with that.

I've a Panasonic one for just over three years. It's quicker than its
turntable predecessor and I've never had any problems with it not
cooking food throughout.

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:44:04 +0100, Peter Johnson wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:14:53 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

I haven't been given information to accept or otherwise. Not one person has put forward any argument for your side. Not one. And as I said, Panasonic seem to think the flatbed system is better. Feel free to argue with their managing director. Good luck with that.

I've a Panasonic one for just over three years. It's quicker than its
turntable predecessor and I've never had any problems with it not
cooking food throughout.

I've never had a problem with any microwave not cooking throughout. Conventional ovens are uneven, they burn the outside and don't cook the inside sufficiently. Pans are just as bad, you get stuff heated more at the bottom than the top, and often burned onto the pan. The only advantage I can see for flatbeds is, as Panasonic advertise, you can stick any shape of dish in there. It doesn't need room to rotate.

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On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 04:44:35 -0700 (PDT), , another
mentally challenged, troll-feeding idiot, driveled again:


I know you think that, you already said. And as so many have pointed out
you're clueless.


But he STILL pwns you, you clueless senile idiot! LOL

On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 07:10:14 -0700 (PDT), , another
mentally challenged, troll-feeding idiot, driveled again:


you're too clueless to even accept you might be wrong. I'm not going to
spend any more time on this.

You WILL take his next absolutely idiotic bait, oh senile one! It has all to
do with your senility!

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:44:04 +0100, Peter Johnson, another obviously
mentally deficient troll-feeding moron, blabbered:


I've never had any problems with it not
cooking food throughout.

You GOT a problem with feeding an abnormal troll and attention whore though,
oh senile one!

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 12:44:35 +0100, wrote:

On Saturday, 2 June 2018 11:41:57 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:12:06 +0100, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 1 June 2018 21:32:34 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:25:40 +0100, Brian Gaff
wrote:

Back many years ago this idea was tried by Philips, their
microwaves with
the drop down door, and with rotating aerial rather than a
turntable. to be
quite honest it was rubbish and left cold spots in the food so you
still had
to stop and turn the food.

I think the mistake is that the cavity is not moved in relation to
the food
so standing waves still exist in the same places and only moving
the food
relative to those is a true answer to this.
End of story.
Brian

That doesn't make sense. Spinning the pattern of microwave radiation
must be identical to spinning the food. In both cases they are
rotated in relation to one another.

not identical at all. turntables produce much better evenness than
stirrers. Both together are best.

As I said, it's relative. The food and the microwave pattern are
relative to each other. Where the oven is and where the kitchen is
don't matter. If you rotate the food, or rotate the microwave pattern,
PRECISELY the same effect is achieved.

I know you think that, you already said. And as so many have pointed out
you're clueless.

Not one person has pointed out why one is more efficient than the other.

I will, particularly with the microwaves with a built in meat temperature
sensor. Clearly a lot easier to do those with the food not rotating.

And I can also see why rotating the food gets a more even distribution
of the microwaves into the food too. Harder to explain that one tho.

Please do explain and I will be happy to accept I'm wrong. I doubt
Panasonic will though.

With anything where you see both offered, there must be good reasons for
both approaches
and it can't just be habit/tradition when its been going on for 40 years or
more now.

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 21:38:35 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 12:44:35 +0100, wrote:

On Saturday, 2 June 2018 11:41:57 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:12:06 +0100, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 1 June 2018 21:32:34 UTC+1, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:25:40 +0100, Brian Gaff
wrote:

Back many years ago this idea was tried by Philips, their
microwaves with
the drop down door, and with rotating aerial rather than a
turntable. to be
quite honest it was rubbish and left cold spots in the food so you
still had
to stop and turn the food.

I think the mistake is that the cavity is not moved in relation to
the food
so standing waves still exist in the same places and only moving
the food
relative to those is a true answer to this.
End of story.
Brian

That doesn't make sense. Spinning the pattern of microwave radiation
must be identical to spinning the food. In both cases they are
rotated in relation to one another.

not identical at all. turntables produce much better evenness than
stirrers. Both together are best.

As I said, it's relative. The food and the microwave pattern are
relative to each other. Where the oven is and where the kitchen is
don't matter. If you rotate the food, or rotate the microwave pattern,
PRECISELY the same effect is achieved.

I know you think that, you already said. And as so many have pointed out
you're clueless.

Not one person has pointed out why one is more efficient than the other.

I will, particularly with the microwaves with a built in meat temperature
sensor. Clearly a lot easier to do those with the food not rotating.

And I can also see why rotating the food gets a more even distribution
of the microwaves into the food too. Harder to explain that one tho.

I see no way it could be explained. Two objects, the food and the microwave pattern. Rotate one, rotate the other, same effect.

Please do explain and I will be happy to accept I'm wrong. I doubt
Panasonic will though.

With anything where you see both offered, there must be good reasons for
both approaches
and it can't just be habit/tradition when its been going on for 40 years or
more now.

Price I would think.

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"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:44:04 +0100, Peter Johnson
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:14:53 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

I haven't been given information to accept or otherwise. Not one person
has put forward any argument for your side. Not one. And as I said,
Panasonic seem to think the flatbed system is better. Feel free to
argue with their managing director. Good luck with that.

I've a Panasonic one for just over three years. It's quicker than its
turntable predecessor and I've never had any problems with it not
cooking food throughout.

I've never had a problem with any microwave not cooking throughout.

Conventional ovens are uneven, they burn the outside and don't cook the
inside sufficiently.

For some stuff like a leg of lamb, you need that effect to get
a properly done outside and pink inside that most prefer.

Same with steak, hopeless in a microwave.

The only advantage I can see for flatbeds is, as Panasonic advertise, you
can stick any shape of dish in there. It doesn't need room to rotate.

And presumably is harder to design so it works well.

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:15:55 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:44:04 +0100, Peter Johnson
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:14:53 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

I haven't been given information to accept or otherwise. Not one person
has put forward any argument for your side. Not one. And as I said,
Panasonic seem to think the flatbed system is better. Feel free to
argue with their managing director. Good luck with that.

I've a Panasonic one for just over three years. It's quicker than its
turntable predecessor and I've never had any problems with it not
cooking food throughout.

I've never had a problem with any microwave not cooking throughout.

Conventional ovens are uneven, they burn the outside and don't cook the
inside sufficiently.

For some stuff like a leg of lamb, you need that effect to get
a properly done outside and pink inside that most prefer.

Same with steak, hopeless in a microwave.

Not that I eat meat, but I don't see why you'd want uneven cooking of anything.

The only advantage I can see for flatbeds is, as Panasonic advertise, you
can stick any shape of dish in there. It doesn't need room to rotate..

And presumably is harder to design so it works well.

Spinning aerial and a wave guide tube, not that hard surely?

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On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 07:15:55 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed produced
yet more of his usual senile rot:


For some stuff like a leg of lamb, you need that effect to get
a properly done outside and pink inside that most prefer.

You need your senile Ozzie brain microwaved, Rot!

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