A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one eyebrow.
Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil? Really? Aside from
the enviro-considerations and the colour degradation that is.

TW

On 29/05/2018 10:51, TimW wrote:
A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one eyebrow.
Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil? Really? Aside from
the enviro-considerations and the colour degradation that is.

TW
Cars are painted with water based paint these days.

Mike

On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:20:15 +0100, Muddymike
wrote:

On 29/05/2018 10:51, TimW wrote:
A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one eyebrow.
Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil? Really? Aside from
the enviro-considerations and the colour degradation that is.

TW
Cars are painted with water based paint these days.

Mike

The pigmented material is actally plastic suspended in water which
then evaporates.
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Dave W

In article ,
TimW wrote:
A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one eyebrow.
Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil? Really? Aside from
the enviro-considerations and the colour degradation that is.

I'll let you know. All the outside of this house was done with water based
last year (except the front door and iron railings)

So far, so good.

It seemed to stick the lid to the tin (after use) rather better than oil
based. ;-) And of course masonry paint has been water based for ages.

I went for an expensive brand - not the sort of stuff the sheds stock.

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Huge wrote:
On 2018-05-29, Muddymike wrote:
On 29/05/2018 10:51, TimW wrote:
A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one
eyebrow. Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil?
Really? Aside from the enviro-considerations and the colour
degradation that is.

TW
Cars are painted with water based paint these days.

And they're crap, too.

Not so sure. My car was originally plain black cellulose. Went 'dead'
after about 10 years. The respray - plain black water based but with a
clear coat too - is now twice as old and still good. On the bits like the
roof which are still untouched since that respray. Other bits have been
replaced due to rust, so obviously repainted since. ;-)

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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
TimW wrote:
A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one eyebrow.
Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil? Really? Aside from
the enviro-considerations and the colour degradation that is.

I'll let you know. All the outside of this house was done with water based
last year (except the front door and iron railings)

So far, so good.

It seemed to stick the lid to the tin (after use) rather better than oil
based. ;-) And of course masonry paint has been water based for ages.

I went for an expensive brand - not the sort of stuff the sheds stock.


Did you apply it yourself?
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On 29/05/18 12:11, Huge wrote:
On 2018-05-29, Dave W wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:20:15 +0100, Muddymike
wrote:

On 29/05/2018 10:51, TimW wrote:
A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one eyebrow.
Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil? Really? Aside from
the enviro-considerations and the colour degradation that is.

TW
Cars are painted with water based paint these days.

Mike

The pigmented material is actally plastic suspended in water which
then evaporates.

All paints are a combination of pigment, binder & solvent.


No, all paints are not.

Powdercoat and epoxy based painst have no solvent.



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what it actually is.

In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
TimW wrote:
A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one
eyebrow. Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil?
Really? Aside from the enviro-considerations and the colour
degradation that is.

I'll let you know. All the outside of this house was done with water
based last year (except the front door and iron railings)

So far, so good.

It seemed to stick the lid to the tin (after use) rather better than
oil based. ;-) And of course masonry paint has been water based for
ages.

I went for an expensive brand - not the sort of stuff the sheds stock.


Did you apply it yourself?

If I employed a painter, I'd not tell him what materials to use. Even you
should realise that gives him a get out clause if anything should go
wrong.

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On 29/05/2018 12:02, Dave W wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:20:15 +0100, Muddymike
wrote:

On 29/05/2018 10:51, TimW wrote:
A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one eyebrow.
Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil? Really? Aside from
the enviro-considerations and the colour degradation that is.

TW
Cars are painted with water based paint these days.

Mike

The pigmented material is actally plastic suspended in water which
then evaporates.


But the water-based car paint has to be protected with a clear
laquer coat, or it would not last very long.

Dulux Weathershield is still solvent-based, top coat and
undercoat if you buy the trade variety, but their matching
primer is water based and very difficult to apply to hardwood
or any wood with previous coatings.

I think you need to query his motives for suggesting this.

Huge Wrote in message:
On 2018-05-29, Muddymike wrote:
On 29/05/2018 10:51, TimW wrote:
A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one eyebrow.
Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil? Really? Aside from
the enviro-considerations and the colour degradation that is.

TW
Cars are painted with water based paint these days.

And they're crap, too.



Yeah sure, I'm always having to have my car completely resprayed...
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On Tue, 29 May 2018 17:04:56 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 29/05/2018 12:02, Dave W wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2018 11:20:15 +0100, Muddymike
wrote:

On 29/05/2018 10:51, TimW wrote:
A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one eyebrow.
Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil? Really? Aside from
the enviro-considerations and the colour degradation that is.

TW
Cars are painted with water based paint these days.

Mike

The pigmented material is actally plastic suspended in water which
then evaporates.


But the water-based car paint has to be protected with a clear
laquer coat, or it would not last very long.

Dulux Weathershield is still solvent-based, top coat and
undercoat if you buy the trade variety, but their matching primer
is water based and very difficult to apply to hardwood or any
wood with previous coatings.

I think you need to query his motives for suggesting this.

Yes, that'll go down well, telling a painter how to do his job.

"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
TimW wrote:
A bloke is proposing to repaint windows, porch etc. He has said water
based paints are the preferred thing these days. I raised one
eyebrow. Am I hopelessly out of date? Water? better than oil?
Really? Aside from the enviro-considerations and the colour
degradation that is.

I'll let you know. All the outside of this house was done with water
based last year (except the front door and iron railings)

So far, so good.

It seemed to stick the lid to the tin (after use) rather better than
oil based. ;-) And of course masonry paint has been water based for
ages.

I went for an expensive brand - not the sort of stuff the sheds stock.


Did you apply it yourself?

If I employed a painter, I'd not tell him what materials to use. Even you
should realise that gives him a get out clause if anything should go
wrong.


I thought you might already have a little man you, cough, trusted.
Seems not.

So you splashed out on expensive stuff no one's heard of & slapped
it on yourself, - only yourself to blame then! ;-)

My hardwood conservatory came factory finished in a water based
paint system - Teknis IIRC.

On the whole in ten? years I've redone the most exposed cills
every couple of years but the rest is untouched up & still looks
perfectly acceptable.

They supplied a can with the conservatory & it's easy to apply,
dries quick, excellent opacity.

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In article ,
Jim K wrote:
If I employed a painter, I'd not tell him what materials to use. Even you
should realise that gives him a get out clause if anything should go
wrong.


I thought you might already have a little man you, cough, trusted.
Seems not.

Really? You must be thinking of someone else.

So you splashed out on expensive stuff no one's heard of & slapped
it on yourself, - only yourself to blame then! ;-)

I asked around.

My hardwood conservatory came factory finished in a water based
paint system - Teknis IIRC.

On the whole in ten? years I've redone the most exposed cills
every couple of years but the rest is untouched up & still looks
perfectly acceptable.

I'd rather not have to re-paint the house every two years given the cost
of scaffolding it.

They supplied a can with the conservatory & it's easy to apply,
dries quick, excellent opacity.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Jim K wrote:
If I employed a painter, I'd not tell him what materials to use. Even you
should realise that gives him a get out clause if anything should go
wrong.


I thought you might already have a little man you, cough, trusted.
Seems not.

Really? You must be thinking of someone else.

So you splashed out on expensive stuff no one's heard of & slapped
it on yourself, - only yourself to blame then! ;-)

I asked around.

My hardwood conservatory came factory finished in a water based
paint system - Teknis IIRC.

On the whole in ten? years I've redone the most exposed cills
every couple of years but the rest is untouched up & still looks
perfectly acceptable.

I'd rather not have to re-paint the house every two years given the cost
of scaffolding it.

Oh well.
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