Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

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On 08/04/18 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

2+2=4
two+two = four
tu+tu=desmond

Question
If the sky is blue which of the following is true
It is a sunny day
It is daytime
It is cloudy.

Erm.
Its actually the first one.

The whole idea is to use the way a human parses the phrases as against the
way machines do it. Sadly, i suppose that they have to keep coming up with
new ones and as AI improves its a hiding to nothing anyway. You end up
having to employ somebody to watch out for spammers.
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On 08/04/18 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

2+2=4
two+two = four
tu+tu=desmond

If you're up above the clouds its no. 2...

"Brian Gaff" Wrote in message:
Question
If the sky is blue which of the following is true
It is a sunny day
It is daytime
It is cloudy.

Erm.
Its actually the first one.

The whole idea is to use the way a human parses the phrases as against the
way machines do it. Sadly, i suppose that they have to keep coming up with
new ones and as AI improves its a hiding to nothing anyway. You end up
having to employ somebody to watch out for spammers.
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On 08/04/18 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

2+2=4
two+two = four
tu+tu=desmond





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On 08/04/2018 11:42, Jim K wrote:
If you're up above the clouds its no. 2...

It's still blue if you are below the clouds.


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If you're up above the clouds its no. 2...

It's still blue if you are below the clouds.


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On 08/04/2018 11:35, Brian Gaff wrote:
Question
If the sky is blue which of the following is true
It is a sunny day
It is daytime
It is cloudy.

Erm.
Its actually the first one.

No, it could be a clear moonlight night when the sky could be quite
blue, Admittedly dark blue but still blue..

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On 08/04/2018 11:35, Brian Gaff wrote:
Question
If the sky is blue which of the following is true
It is a sunny day
It is daytime
It is cloudy.

Erm.
Its actually the first one.

No, it could be a clear moonlight night when the sky could be quite
blue, Admittedly dark blue but still blue..

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So dark that it could be mistaken for ....
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On 08/04/2018 12:22, Mike Clarke wrote:
On 08/04/2018 11:35, Brian Gaff wrote:
Question
If the sky is blue which of the following is true
Â* It is a sunny day
Â*Â* It is daytime
Â* It is cloudy.

Erm.
Â* Its actually the first one.

No, it could be a clear moonlight night when the sky could be quite
blue, Admittedly dark blue but still blue..

Once the sun has gone below the horizon the sky is still blue,
maybe with a reddish tinge, but it is no longer daytime.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Question
If the sky is blue which of the following is true
It is a sunny day
It is daytime
It is cloudy.

Erm.
Its actually the first one.

The whole idea is to use the way a human parses the phrases as against the
way machines do it. Sadly, i suppose that they have to keep coming up with
new ones and as AI improves its a hiding to nothing anyway. You end up
having to employ somebody to watch out for spammers.
Brian


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I would have said all of them could be true, assuming it's not entirely
cloudy.
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On Monday, 9 April 2018 14:34:30 UTC+1, Dave W wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Question
If the sky is blue which of the following is true
It is a sunny day
It is daytime
It is cloudy.

Erm.
Its actually the first one.

The whole idea is to use the way a human parses the phrases as against the
way machines do it. Sadly, i suppose that they have to keep coming up with
new ones and as AI improves its a hiding to nothing anyway. You end up
having to employ somebody to watch out for spammers.
Brian


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I would have said all of them could be true, assuming it's not entirely
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I'd say it could be a dodgey question as we only see light scatter and not the actual sky, we can see clouds. Later the 'sky' may well turn red as the sun sets so I'd say the sky doesn't really have a colour but it wioll appear blue to our eyes because of the way blue light scatters and that;s what we see if there's no clouds and the sky is clear it looks blue.

On 08/04/2018 09:55, Richard wrote:
On 08/04/18 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

2+2=4
two+two = four
tu+tu=desmond

Surely tu+tu is ballet:-)

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On 08/04/18 13:38, ARW wrote:
On 08/04/2018 09:55, Richard wrote:
On 08/04/18 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

2+2=4
two+two = four
tu+tu=desmond

Surely tu+tu is ballet:-)

Yep, except it's now linked to a second degree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_degree_nicknames

On 08/04/2018 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

Only (as an alternative) to another human. You've just proved the
website isn't human.

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In message , ARW
writes
Four?

Nope it is 4.

I certainly agree that, if the question is figures then so is the
answer. Ditto if the question is words, so is the answer.

Too many web sites designed by arse holes with degrees but **** all
common sense.
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On 08/04/18 10:11, Graeme wrote:
In message , ARW
writes
Four?

Nope it is 4.

I certainly agree that, if the question is figures then so is the
answer.Â* Ditto if the question is words, so is the answer.

Too many web sites designed by arse holes with degrees but **** all
common sense.

Degrees in art history mainly.



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On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:11:46 +0100, Graeme wrote:

In message , ARW
writes
Four?

Nope it is 4.

I certainly agree that, if the question is figures then so is the
answer. Ditto if the question is words, so is the answer.

Too many web sites designed by arse holes with degrees but ****
all common sense.

OOooh, that chip must be getting heavy!

On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:50:04 +0100, ARW
wrote:

Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

Don't ask whisky-dave, he'll come up with anything but 4 (four)! ;-)

I would say that the only time it would make a tangible difference to
the answer / situation of using the numeral or the spelled version
would be down to specific rules or expectations?

Like on a cheque, you would write the numerals in the box and write it
out in full on the line as a means of a security checksum. Doing it
the other way round would probably get the cheque rejected (even
though you might be able to write a cheque out on plain paper)?

Also if there was a scenario that was using the numeric form then the
required answer might need to reflect that, or if in more of a written
form then to use the words?

If you want it to be very clear, you might write both, say on a legal
document (where both versions have equal validity)?

If you were selling a car, I'm not sure you would write the cost out
in words. If you were composing a receipt for the same you might use
both forms (if it was a high enough value)?

In your particular case, it may just have been that the syntax checker
was only looking for the numeric version, rather than it being 'wrong'
as such, like telephone number dialogue boxes that consider a space as
an additional and non valid number (or number of digits etc).

I was installing Raspbian (Debian Linux for the Raspberry Pi) the
other day and a step offered a Y/n input, where I believe the upper
case value reflects the default (should you just press Enter etc)? I
can't remember normally having to bother actually using an upper case
Y previously but in this case I did?

Cheers, T i m

On 08/04/18 10:14, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:50:04 +0100, ARW
wrote:

Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

Don't ask whisky-dave, he'll come up with anything but 4 (four)! ;-)

I would say that the only time it would make a tangible difference to
the answer / situation of using the numeral or the spelled version
would be down to specific rules or expectations?

Like on a cheque, you would write the numerals in the box and write it
out in full on the line as a means of a security checksum. Doing it
the other way round would probably get the cheque rejected (even
though you might be able to write a cheque out on plain paper)?

Also if there was a scenario that was using the numeric form then the
required answer might need to reflect that, or if in more of a written
form then to use the words?

If you want it to be very clear, you might write both, say on a legal
document (where both versions have equal validity)?

If you were selling a car, I'm not sure you would write the cost out
in words. If you were composing a receipt for the same you might use
both forms (if it was a high enough value)?

In your particular case, it may just have been that the syntax checker
was only looking for the numeric version, rather than it being 'wrong'
as such, like telephone number dialogue boxes that consider a space as
an additional and non valid number (or number of digits etc).

I was installing Raspbian (Debian Linux for the Raspberry Pi) the
other day and a step offered a Y/n input, where I believe the upper
case value reflects the default (should you just press Enter etc)? I
can't remember normally having to bother actually using an upper case
Y previously but in this case I did?

Cheers, T i m


Agree/Disagree?
Irrelevant verbiage confirms that it is indeed T i m responding.

On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:40:56 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 08/04/18 10:14, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:50:04 +0100, ARW
wrote:

Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

Don't ask whisky-dave, he'll come up with anything but 4 (four)! ;-)

I would say that the only time it would make a tangible difference to
the answer / situation of using the numeral or the spelled version
would be down to specific rules or expectations?

Like on a cheque, you would write the numerals in the box and write it
out in full on the line as a means of a security checksum. Doing it
the other way round would probably get the cheque rejected (even
though you might be able to write a cheque out on plain paper)?

Also if there was a scenario that was using the numeric form then the
required answer might need to reflect that, or if in more of a written
form then to use the words?

If you want it to be very clear, you might write both, say on a legal
document (where both versions have equal validity)?

If you were selling a car, I'm not sure you would write the cost out
in words. If you were composing a receipt for the same you might use
both forms (if it was a high enough value)?

In your particular case, it may just have been that the syntax checker
was only looking for the numeric version, rather than it being 'wrong'
as such, like telephone number dialogue boxes that consider a space as
an additional and non valid number (or number of digits etc).

I was installing Raspbian (Debian Linux for the Raspberry Pi) the
other day and a step offered a Y/n input, where I believe the upper
case value reflects the default (should you just press Enter etc)? I
can't remember normally having to bother actually using an upper case
Y previously but in this case I did?

Cheers, T i m


Agree/Disagree?

What are you drooling on about now, 'Dick'?

Irrelevant verbiage confirms that it is indeed T i m responding.

Oh dear ... you poor left brainer, confusing what you consider
appropriate on a 'discussion group' to be anything other than your own
biased and ignorant opinion and missing the fact that my reply covers
as much as an answer as such a question could ever enjoy.

Cheers, T i m

On 08/04/18 10:50, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:40:56 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 08/04/18 10:14, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:50:04 +0100, ARW
wrote:

Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

snip

Agree/Disagree?

snip

Irrelevant verbiage confirms that it is indeed T i m responding.

On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:53:01 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 08/04/18 10:50, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 10:40:56 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 08/04/18 10:14, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:50:04 +0100, ARW
wrote:

Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

snip

Agree/Disagree?

snip

Irrelevant verbiage confirms that it is indeed T i m responding.

Aww bless, 'Dick' is trying to get his personal point across but again
completely failing to understand there is often more to a question and
it's answer than a black and white yes / no (however the question was
polled).

I bet he voted in the EU referendum because he believed he had to,
even if he didn't have a clue what his vote was actually going to turn
out to represent. ;-(

He never will fully understand humans though, poor b*stard.

Poor, literal, binary Dicky. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 08/04/18 10:40, Richard wrote:
Irrelevant verbiage confirms that it is indeed T i m responding.

Verbal diarrhoea


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On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 12:33:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 08/04/18 10:40, Richard wrote:
Irrelevant verbiage confirms that it is indeed T i m responding.

Verbal diarrhoea

Or the irony!

But well done for getting the spellings right this time (ok, it was
only two words but still a massive improvement at that).

Keep up the good work.

Cheers, T i m

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 10:14:05 AM UTC+1, T i m wrote:


Like on a cheque, you would write the numerals in the box and write it
out in full on the line as a means of a security checksum. Doing it
the other way round would probably get the cheque rejected (even
though you might be able to write a cheque out on plain paper)?

Many years (decades actually) ago I read in thesmall print that my bank would still pay a cheque even if it had "technical irregularities". I asked what those were. The list included "words and numbers do not agree". I asked in that case which do they pay. The said it was whichever the payee chose.

Robert

On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 03:20:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 10:14:05 AM UTC+1, T i m wrote:


Like on a cheque, you would write the numerals in the box and write it
out in full on the line as a means of a security checksum. Doing it
the other way round would probably get the cheque rejected (even
though you might be able to write a cheque out on plain paper)?

Many years (decades actually) ago I read in thesmall print that my bank would still pay a cheque even if it had "technical irregularities".

I wonder why they often seem to be rejected because of such though?

I asked what those were. The list included "words and numbers do not agree".

Bizarre!

I asked in that case which do they pay. The said it was whichever the payee chose.

Whilst that makes sense (payees request etc), how would they typically
deal with it in practice, especially when paying in a cheque issued by
someone else? Because I worked for 'The Post Office' I had a Girobank
account so used to post cheque's off, getting them rejected (by post)
if anything was irregular.

I also pondered if 'a cheque' had to be the official one as printed by
a bank of if it would still serve it's purpose as long as it carried
all the required information? After all, it's only really a
transaction request with the authorisation validation being a
signature?

Cheers, T i m

On 08/04/2018 11:32, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 03:20:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 10:14:05 AM UTC+1, T i m wrote:


Like on a cheque, you would write the numerals in the box and write it
out in full on the line as a means of a security checksum. Doing it
the other way round would probably get the cheque rejected (even
though you might be able to write a cheque out on plain paper)?

Many years (decades actually) ago I read in thesmall print that my bank would still pay a cheque even if it had "technical irregularities".

I wonder why they often seem to be rejected because of such though?

I asked what those were. The list included "words and numbers do not agree".

Bizarre!

I asked in that case which do they pay. The said it was whichever the payee chose.

Whilst that makes sense (payees request etc), how would they typically
deal with it in practice, especially when paying in a cheque issued by
someone else? Because I worked for 'The Post Office' I had a Girobank
account so used to post cheque's off, getting them rejected (by post)
if anything was irregular.

I also pondered if 'a cheque' had to be the official one as printed by
a bank of if it would still serve it's purpose as long as it carried
all the required information? After all, it's only really a
transaction request with the authorisation validation being a
signature?

By convention it can be on any piece of paper, but I expect banks can
make their own rules. Many years ago a farmer wrote a cheque on the side
of a cow.

--
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On Sunday, 8 April 2018 11:20:40 UTC+1, wrote:
Many years (decades actually) ago I read in thesmall print that my bank
would still pay a cheque even if it had "technical irregularities".
I asked what those were. The list included "words and numbers do not
agree". I asked in that case which do they pay. The said it was
whichever the payee chose.

That is to protect them if they do pay a cheque with technical irregularities and haven't spotted them. I think that by "whatever the payee chose" actually means whatever the payee or collecting bank MICR-encodes the cheque value.

Owain

On Sunday, 8 April 2018 10:14:05 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:50:04 +0100, ARW
wrote:

Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

Don't ask whisky-dave, he'll come up with anything but 4 (four)! ;-)

you were the one to come up with that.

On 08/04/2018 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?


Yes. Although they ought to have had the nous to program it to accept
either. And perhaps, if they'd had real style, to accept also eleven
(11) or ten (10)



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On 08/04/2018 10:28, Robin wrote:
On 08/04/2018 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?


Yes. Although they ought to have had the nous to program it to accept
either.Â* And perhaps, if they'd had real style, to accept also eleven
(11) or ten (10)

Or being programmers, they might take that to mean three and two
respectively?

On 08/04/2018 11:10, Fredxx wrote:
On 08/04/2018 10:28, Robin wrote:
On 08/04/2018 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?


Yes. Although they ought to have had the nous to program it to accept
either.Â* And perhaps, if they'd had real style, to accept also eleven
(11) or ten (10)

Or being programmers, they might take that to mean three and two
respectively?


Asking "what is two + two" and then assuming any answer *must* be binary
would be stupid even by their standards.


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Robin wrote on 08/04/2018 :
Yes. Although they ought to have had the nous to program it to accept either.
And perhaps, if they'd had real style, to accept also eleven (11) or ten
(10)

What really annoys me is the web sites which require your bank card
number input, but they refuse to accept it as written on the card with
spaces, thus - nnnn nnnn nnnn nnnn, you have to put it in thus
-nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. Which then makes it much more difficult to check you
have put the correct digits in. Much better is where they have four
boxes, able to each accept four digits.

On 08/04/2018 10:28, Robin wrote:
On 08/04/2018 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

Yes. Although they ought to have had the nous to program it to accept
either.Â* And perhaps, if they'd had real style, to accept also eleven
(11) or ten (10)

If the question was "what is two and two" the answer is obviously two.

--
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On 08/04/18 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

No. its a type of car layout


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On 08/04/2018 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

I would say either is a satisfactory answer.

Both sound the same here.
The problem is that the capchars are, thank goodness being replaced with
this kind of thing, but of course that depends very much on whether they
assume a warped mind.

If a bot can solve a capchar then what is the point. Do they not have some
kind of filter to spammers?
Brian

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Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a website
and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

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On 08/04/2018 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

From the "don't really understand the nuances but still want to be a
smartarse "department.

Erm for high enough values of 2, 2+2=5

to 1 significant figure

2.3 +2.3 =4.6 is 2+2=5

I think, probably deliberately, you miss the whole point of human detection!


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On 08/04/2018 09:50, ARW wrote:
Four?

Nope it is 4.

Just had to prove that I was a human to send off a submission on a
website and that was their question and answer.

Anyone else agree that the answer is four and not 4?

From the "don't really understand the nuances but still want to be a
smartarse "department.

Erm for high enough values of 2, 2+2=5

to 1 significant figure

2.3 +2.3 =4.6 is 2+2=5

On 09/04/2018 09:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
I think, probably deliberately, you miss the whole point of human detection!

Who me, judge?