Neighbour asked for help today. Or rather the sister of that neighbour.
They're French.

Neighbours (husband and wife) are in France. Sister house sitting -
presumably because of the two teenage kids at school here.

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock the
inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the window etc.

And that is on. Both the keys they have open the door from the outside,
but neither will work in the lock in the handle. Probably copies which are
OK in the often used outer lock, but not on the seldom used inner one.

At the moment, one of the kids goes out via the window and opens the door
from the outside...

I offered to remove the lock and see if I could open it in the workshop.
but thought it prudent to talk to the owner first on the phone. Who didn't
want the lock removed. ;-) Tried to explain my lock is similar, and they
come off and go back easily. But although her English is much better than
my French, difficult to get that across.

Obviously, tried some WD 40 type stuff. No success.

Could have just latched it open, but they don't have a key for the fitted
mortise lock.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock the
inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the window etc.

Euro, Yale or some other type?

On 03/04/18 17:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Neighbour asked for help today. Or rather the sister of that neighbour.
They're French.

Neighbours (husband and wife) are in France. Sister house sitting -
presumably because of the two teenage kids at school here.

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock the
inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the window etc.

And that is on. Both the keys they have open the door from the outside,
but neither will work in the lock in the handle. Probably copies which are
OK in the often used outer lock, but not on the seldom used inner one.

At the moment, one of the kids goes out via the window and opens the door
from the outside...

I offered to remove the lock and see if I could open it in the workshop.
but thought it prudent to talk to the owner first on the phone. Who didn't
want the lock removed. ;-) Tried to explain my lock is similar, and they
come off and go back easily. But although her English is much better than
my French, difficult to get that across.

Obviously, tried some WD 40 type stuff. No success.

Could have just latched it open, but they don't have a key for the fitted
mortise lock.

I'm a little confused here. Are you saying that you can unlock the door
from the outside but the internal handle still won't move? Or does the
internal handle then move, but you can't then lock it from the inside?
If you can't unlock the internal handle and open the door from the
inside, I'd not like to think of the consequences of a sudden fire.

Out of interest, if the handle is put in the lock position with the door
open, and the key used to lock it, will it then turn to unlock it with
the door open, and the key never having been removed? I ask only because
sometimes the key will not turn in our lock unless the internal handle
is pushed down another mm. Once fully down, it will turn to lock it; I
wondered if something similar is going on but with an "unlock" turn. If
it still doesn't turn, does pushing up or down one of the locking
"claws" make any difference?

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Have you also tried pulling the key out by about 1mm before turning in case
there was a cutting error.

On 03/04/2018 18:28, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 03/04/18 17:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

snip

Out of interest, if the handle is put in the lock position with the door
open, and the key used to lock it, will it then turn to unlock it with
the door open, and the key never having been removed? I ask only because
sometimes the key will not turn inÂ* our lock unless the internal handle
is pushed down another mm. Once fully down, it will turn to lock it; I
wondered if something similar is going on but with an "unlock" turn. If
it still doesn't turn, does pushing up or down one of the locking
"claws" make any difference?

I've known Euro locks on modern doors which behave like that too.

On 03/04/2018 17:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Neighbour asked for help today. Or rather the sister of that neighbour.
They're French.

Neighbours (husband and wife) are in France. Sister house sitting -
presumably because of the two teenage kids at school here.

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock the
inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the window etc.

And that is on. Both the keys they have open the door from the outside,
but neither will work in the lock in the handle. Probably copies which are
OK in the often used outer lock, but not on the seldom used inner one.

At the moment, one of the kids goes out via the window and opens the door
from the outside...

I offered to remove the lock and see if I could open it in the workshop.
but thought it prudent to talk to the owner first on the phone. Who didn't
want the lock removed. ;-) Tried to explain my lock is similar, and they
come off and go back easily. But although her English is much better than
my French, difficult to get that across.

Obviously, tried some WD 40 type stuff. No success.

Could have just latched it open, but they don't have a key for the fitted
mortise lock.


Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the inner part.
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On 03/04/2018 18:28, Jeff Layman wrote:


I'm a little confused here. Are you saying that you can unlock the door
from the outside but the internal handle still won't move? Or does the
internal handle then move, but you can't then lock it from the inside?
If you can't unlock the internal handle and open the door from the
inside, I'd not like to think of the consequences of a sudden fire.

Out of interest, if the handle is put in the lock position with the door
open, and the key used to lock it, will it then turn to unlock it with
the door open, and the key never having been removed? I ask only because
sometimes the key will not turn in our lock unless the internal handle
is pushed down another mm. Once fully down, it will turn to lock it; I
wondered if something similar is going on but with an "unlock" turn. If
it still doesn't turn, does pushing up or down one of the locking
"claws" make any difference?


If it's like mine, the inside lock locks the *handle* such that it won't
turn regardless of the state of the door. The normal way of using it is
to lock the handle, and then slam lock the door from the outside. You
can unlock the door with the key, but if someone breaks the glass and
reached through, they can't turn the handle to open the door.

So, when locked in this way, the door can't be opened from the inside -
not recommended when there are people inside!
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:55:23 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

If it's like mine, the inside lock locks the *handle* such that it won't
turn regardless of the state of the door. The normal way of using it is
to lock the handle, and then slam lock the door from the outside. You
can unlock the door with the key, but if someone breaks the glass and
reached through, they can't turn the handle to open the door.

So, when locked in this way, the door can't be opened from the inside -
not recommended when there are people inside!

We have one like that. BS3621 Yale cylinder lock with a large number of
differs.

I have changed the cylinder twice now due to lost keys. It doesn't change
the inside lock, so we can't use that anyway. I never liked the idea, and
it certainly wasn't why we got that lock; it just saved having the
mortice one that the insurance company otherwise insisted upon. And it's
a solid door anyway.

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On Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:48:14 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the inner part.

Very likely - that happened to mine (see other post).

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In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock the
inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the window etc.

Euro, Yale or some other type?

Not sure of the brand. Big and shiny chrome and looked pretty new. An
expensive brand like Chubb, I'd guess.

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In article ,
Jeff Layman wrote:
I'm a little confused here. Are you saying that you can unlock the door
from the outside but the internal handle still won't move? Or does the
internal handle then move, but you can't then lock it from the inside?
If you can't unlock the internal handle and open the door from the
inside, I'd not like to think of the consequences of a sudden fire.

Very common with this type of lock. You should only lock the inside handle
when the house is vacant.

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In article ,
Roger Mills wrote:
Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the inner part.

They had two keys. One sort of started to move it - the other not at all.
Both worked just fine on the outside part. I fiddled for ages - thinking I
might 'whisper' it. ;-)

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In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
I have changed the cylinder twice now due to lost keys. It doesn't
change the inside lock, so we can't use that anyway. I never liked the
idea, and it certainly wasn't why we got that lock; it just saved
having the mortice one that the insurance company otherwise insisted
upon. And it's a solid door anyway.

One benefit (or not) is if you are out and burgled, the thief can't easily
open the front door for his escape.

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In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:48:14 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the inner part.

Very likely - that happened to mine (see other post).

Err, how did it get locked, then?

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Dave Plowman wrote:

You should only lock the inside handle
when the house is vacant.

I keep a key on a string inside, where I know it will be if I need to
get out, but far-enough away and round a corner so it isn't 'fishable'
through the letter box.

On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 00:57:40 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:48:14 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the inner part.

Very likely - that happened to mine (see other post).

Err, how did it get locked, then?

I thought of that. Wonder if one of the kids found an old key ...

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On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 00:50:39 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock the
inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the window
etc.

Euro, Yale or some other type?

Not sure of the brand. Big and shiny chrome and looked pretty new. An
expensive brand like Chubb, I'd guess.

Could be a Yale like mine:

https://www.safe.co.uk/products/yale...o-deadlocking-
nightlatch-40mm.html




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Bob Eager wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Euro, Yale or some other type?

Not sure of the brand. Big and shiny chrome and looked pretty new. An
expensive brand like Chubb, I'd guess.

Not much you can do if they don't want it touched

Could be a Yale like mine:

https://www.safe.co.uk/products/yale-pbs2-auto-deadlocking-nightlatch-40mm.html

Previously I had one of these (was Chubb back then)

https://www.safe.co.uk/products/union-4l67e-deadbolt-nightlatch-60mm.html

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock the
inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the window etc.

Euro, Yale or some other type?

Not sure of the brand.

So as you say yours is similar, what brand is yours?
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 09:00:00 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Euro, Yale or some other type?

Not sure of the brand. Big and shiny chrome and looked pretty new. An
expensive brand like Chubb, I'd guess.

Not much you can do if they don't want it touched

Could be a Yale like mine:

https://www.safe.co.uk/products/yale...o-deadlocking-
nightlatch-40mm.html

Previously I had one of these (was Chubb back then)

https://www.safe.co.uk/products/union-4l67e-deadbolt-
nightlatch-60mm.html

Rather more expensive than mine...but by the time I'd paid for the door
release...



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In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 00:57:40 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:48:14 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the inner part.

Very likely - that happened to mine (see other post).

Err, how did it get locked, then?

I thought of that. Wonder if one of the kids found an old key ...

Only chatted to the daughter whose English is perfect, having spent most
of her life in the UK. She couldn't explain why it was locked. I guessed
the parents had done it when leaving, using a key they'd taken with them.
But we did have the mother's set to try. That was the one which moved the
lock slightly - the other key not at all. But both worked fine on the
outside barrel.

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In article ,
Jim K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock
the inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the
window etc.

Euro, Yale or some other type?

Not sure of the brand.

So as you say yours is similar, what brand is yours?

Mine is a Chubb, but uses an entirely different type of key. More like a
mortice lock key (but shorter) than the usual night latch 'flat' type.

IIRC, mine was the first night latch that conformed to the standard for a
single lock on a front door, whatever that BS number is. It's several
years old now.

BTW, they have a locksmith in at the moment. ;-)

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Bob Eager wrote:
Rather more expensive than mine...but by the time I'd paid for the door
release...

Love to know what the locksmith's bill will be. I'd have fitted a new lock
the same as the old for a cup of coffee. ;-)

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On 04/04/2018 08:41, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

You should only lock the inside handle
when the house is vacant.

I keep a key on a string inside, where I know it will be if I need to
get out, but far-enough away and round a corner so it isn't 'fishable'
through the letter box.

Just wait until drones are small enough to fit through the letter box!

On 04/04/2018 00:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Bob wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:48:14 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the inner part.

Very likely - that happened to mine (see other post).

Err, how did it get locked, then?


They would have to have locked it and then mislaid the key they used to
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In article ,
Roger Mills wrote:
On 04/04/2018 00:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Bob wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:48:14 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the inner part.

Very likely - that happened to mine (see other post).

Err, how did it get locked, then?


They would have to have locked it and then mislaid the key they used to
lock it.

How did they get out of the house when going off to France, then?

You can't open the closed door from the inside...

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On 03/04/2018 17:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Obviously, tried some WD 40 type stuff. No success.

Could have just latched it open, but they don't have a key for the fitted
mortise lock.


Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the
inner part.

When we had problems with our Yale lock I assumed the cylynder
was worn so I contacted Yale to ask if they could supply a
matching cylinder or, if not, a new matching pair.

They replied that they couldn't but suggested it was extremely
unlikely to be due to wear and suggested trickling some light
oil into the slot.

I did and it worked - and has continued to do so ever since.

I'm not sure WD40 would work as well as it isn't intended for
use as a lubricant.

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In article ,
says...

Dave Plowman wrote:

You should only lock the inside handle
when the house is vacant.

I keep a key on a string inside, where I know it will be if I need to
get out, but far-enough away and round a corner so it isn't 'fishable'
through the letter box.

+1

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Neighbour asked for help today. Or rather the sister of that neighbour.
They're French.

Neighbours (husband and wife) are in France. Sister house sitting -
presumably because of the two teenage kids at school here.

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock the
inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the window etc.

And that is on. Both the keys they have open the door from the outside,
but neither will work in the lock in the handle. Probably copies which are
OK in the often used outer lock, but not on the seldom used inner one.

At the moment, one of the kids goes out via the window and opens the door
from the outside...

I offered to remove the lock and see if I could open it in the workshop.
but thought it prudent to talk to the owner first on the phone. Who didn't
want the lock removed. ;-) Tried to explain my lock is similar, and they
come off and go back easily. But although her English is much better than
my French, difficult to get that across.

Obviously, tried some WD 40 type stuff. No success.

Could have just latched it open, but they don't have a key for the fitted
mortise lock.

Often people change the outer cylinder but forget about the inner which
may be still keyed to an old key.

Terry Casey wrote:

andy burns says...

I keep a key on a string inside

ours was on a keyring and hung on a hook.

The string is more to stop me thinking
"where's my keyring? I know, I'll take the spare" ...

Terry Casey Wrote in message:
In article ,
says...

On 03/04/2018 17:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Obviously, tried some WD 40 type stuff. No success.

Could have just latched it open, but they don't have a key for the fitted
mortise lock.


Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the
inner part.

When we had problems with our Yale lock I assumed the cylynder
was worn so I contacted Yale to ask if they could supply a
matching cylinder or, if not, a new matching pair.

They replied that they couldn't but suggested it was extremely
unlikely to be due to wear and suggested trickling some light
oil into the slot.

I did and it worked - and has continued to do so ever since.

I'm not sure WD40 would work as well as it isn't intended for
use as a lubricant.

I'd expect it to work well enough to test the theory...
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 23:49:57 +1000, FMurtz wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Neighbour asked for help today. Or rather the sister of that neighbour.
They're French.

Neighbours (husband and wife) are in France. Sister house sitting -
presumably because of the two teenage kids at school here.

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock the
inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the window
etc.

And that is on. Both the keys they have open the door from the outside,
but neither will work in the lock in the handle. Probably copies which
are OK in the often used outer lock, but not on the seldom used inner
one.

At the moment, one of the kids goes out via the window and opens the
door from the outside...

I offered to remove the lock and see if I could open it in the
workshop. but thought it prudent to talk to the owner first on the
phone. Who didn't want the lock removed. ;-) Tried to explain my lock
is similar, and they come off and go back easily. But although her
English is much better than my French, difficult to get that across.

Obviously, tried some WD 40 type stuff. No success.

Could have just latched it open, but they don't have a key for the
fitted mortise lock.

Often people change the outer cylinder but forget about the inner which
may be still keyed to an old key.

I didn't forget - I just couldn't get a matched pair of cylinders. And
they would probably have cost more than a new lock, anyway.



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On 04/04/2018 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Roger wrote:
On 04/04/2018 00:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Bob wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:48:14 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the inner part.

Very likely - that happened to mine (see other post).

Err, how did it get locked, then?


They would have to have locked it and then mislaid the key they used to
lock it.

How did they get out of the house when going off to France, then?

You can't open the closed door from the inside...


The same way that you're supposed to use those locks! You lock it while
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On 04/04/2018 14:41, Terry Casey wrote:
In ,
says...

On 03/04/2018 17:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Obviously, tried some WD 40 type stuff. No success.

Could have just latched it open, but they don't have a key for the fitted
mortise lock.


Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the
inner part.

When we had problems with our Yale lock I assumed the cylynder
was worn so I contacted Yale to ask if they could supply a
matching cylinder or, if not, a new matching pair.

They replied that they couldn't but suggested it was extremely
unlikely to be due to wear and suggested trickling some light
oil into the slot.

I did and it worked - and has continued to do so ever since.

I'm not sure WD40 would work as well as it isn't intended for
use as a lubricant.


No. Graphite powder is the stuff, like this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Locksmiths-.../dp/B008OH957A

It lasts for ever. I've still got a similar one I bought about 40 years ago.
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 21:10:46 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

On 04/04/2018 14:41, Terry Casey wrote:
In ,
says...

On 03/04/2018 17:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Obviously, tried some WD 40 type stuff. No success.

Could have just latched it open, but they don't have a key for the
fitted mortise lock.


Are you sure there isn't another key somewhere? If the outer rim lock
has ever been replaced, its key may no longer match the inner part.

When we had problems with our Yale lock I assumed the cylynder was worn
so I contacted Yale to ask if they could supply a matching cylinder or,
if not, a new matching pair.

They replied that they couldn't but suggested it was extremely unlikely
to be due to wear and suggested trickling some light oil into the slot.

I did and it worked - and has continued to do so ever since.

I'm not sure WD40 would work as well as it isn't intended for use as a
lubricant.


No. Graphite powder is the stuff, like this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Locksmiths-...e-Lubrication/
dp/B008OH957A

It lasts for ever. I've still got a similar one I bought about 40 years
ago.

It does indeed last forever. We have one, and I got one for M-I-L when
she had a sticky lock. I posted it to her, and when she next visited she
brought it back - wouldn't keep 'your oil'. So now we have two.



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Roger Mills wrote:
They would have to have locked it and then mislaid the key they used to
lock it.

How did they get out of the house when going off to France, then?

You can't open the closed door from the inside...


The same way that you're supposed to use those locks! You lock it while
the door is open, then slam it shut from the outside. Simples!

Ah - right. They locked it then threw away the key. ;-)

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Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 23:49:57 +1000, FMurtz wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Neighbour asked for help today. Or rather the sister of that neighbour.
They're French.

Neighbours (husband and wife) are in France. Sister house sitting -
presumably because of the two teenage kids at school here.

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock the
inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the window
etc.

And that is on. Both the keys they have open the door from the outside,
but neither will work in the lock in the handle. Probably copies which
are OK in the often used outer lock, but not on the seldom used inner
one.

At the moment, one of the kids goes out via the window and opens the
door from the outside...

I offered to remove the lock and see if I could open it in the
workshop. but thought it prudent to talk to the owner first on the
phone. Who didn't want the lock removed. ;-) Tried to explain my lock
is similar, and they come off and go back easily. But although her
English is much better than my French, difficult to get that across.

Obviously, tried some WD 40 type stuff. No success.

Could have just latched it open, but they don't have a key for the
fitted mortise lock.

Often people change the outer cylinder but forget about the inner which
may be still keyed to an old key.

I didn't forget - I just couldn't get a matched pair of cylinders. And
they would probably have cost more than a new lock, anyway.



I do not have any of these problems I just put new pins in to match the
new key on the front lock

On Thu, 05 Apr 2018 15:07:46 +1000, FMurtz wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 23:49:57 +1000, FMurtz wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Neighbour asked for help today. Or rather the sister of that
neighbour.
They're French.

Neighbours (husband and wife) are in France. Sister house sitting -
presumably because of the two teenage kids at school here.

The front door has once of those night latches where you can lock the
inside handle - to stop the door being opened by breaking the window
etc.

And that is on. Both the keys they have open the door from the
outside,
but neither will work in the lock in the handle. Probably copies
which are OK in the often used outer lock, but not on the seldom used
inner one.

At the moment, one of the kids goes out via the window and opens the
door from the outside...

I offered to remove the lock and see if I could open it in the
workshop. but thought it prudent to talk to the owner first on the
phone. Who didn't want the lock removed. ;-) Tried to explain my lock
is similar, and they come off and go back easily. But although her
English is much better than my French, difficult to get that across.

Obviously, tried some WD 40 type stuff. No success.

Could have just latched it open, but they don't have a key for the
fitted mortise lock.

Often people change the outer cylinder but forget about the inner
which may be still keyed to an old key.

I didn't forget - I just couldn't get a matched pair of cylinders. And
they would probably have cost more than a new lock, anyway.



I do not have any of these problems I just put new pins in to match the
new key on the front lock

Well, I could have done that. But for safety reasons, we don't lock it on
the inside.

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In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
Well, I could have done that. But for safety reasons, we don't lock it
on the inside.

Why pay for an expensive lock and not use it as intended? You could have
saved money with a basic one.

And how is this type of lock more dangerous than the mortise lock most
front doors have for insurance purposes?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2018 11:03:49 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
Well, I could have done that. But for safety reasons, we don't lock it
on the inside.

Why pay for an expensive lock and not use it as intended? You could have
saved money with a basic one.

Because it has other features. Many more differs than a standard rim
lock. Deadlocking (anti-carding). Protection against jiggling. More
attachment points. Rated at BS3621.

Apart from making it easier for thieves to exit, it's just as secure as a
mortise lock since it's a solid door.

And how is this type of lock more dangerous than the mortise lock most
front doors have for insurance purposes?

It's as dangerous as a mortise lock, if locked from the inside. One of
the reasons I didn't want a mortise lock.



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