Some new traffic lights have been installed nearby. There is a Turn Right
Filter.
On approaching you see either the red / amber / green for ahead and right
if clear - or the Green Right Filter for Right.

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead or right.

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with LEDS.
If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

After serious thinking DerbyBorn wrote :
Some new traffic lights have been installed nearby. There is a Turn Right
Filter.
On approaching you see either the red / amber / green for ahead and right
if clear - or the Green Right Filter for Right.

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead or right.

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with LEDS.
If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

I cannot see a purpose to your proposal. They can turn right if its
clear to do so, when there is a green light anyway. Once that goes to
red, the right turn green arrow comes on for a few seconds.

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:01:12 GMT, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead
or
right.

If it's a round green light, it means what all round green lights
mean, proceed if it safe to do so, be that going ahead, turning left
or right.

A green up pointing arrow means proceed if safe to do so, ahead only.

A green right pointing arrow means proceed if safe to do so, right
turn only.

A green left point arrow means proceed if safe to do so, left turn
only.

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in
idual.net:

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:01:12 GMT, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead
or
right.

If it's a round green light, it means what all round green lights
mean, proceed if it safe to do so, be that going ahead, turning left
or right.

A green up pointing arrow means proceed if safe to do so, ahead only.

A green right pointing arrow means proceed if safe to do so, right
turn only.

A green left point arrow means proceed if safe to do so, left turn
only.


Despite us know this, people have accidents due to making mistakes.

On 13/01/18 12:16, DerbyBorn wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in
idual.net:

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:01:12 GMT, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead
or
right.

If it's a round green light, it means what all round green lights
mean, proceed if it safe to do so, be that going ahead, turning left
or right.

A green up pointing arrow means proceed if safe to do so, ahead only.

A green right pointing arrow means proceed if safe to do so, right
turn only.

A green left point arrow means proceed if safe to do so, left turn
only.


Despite us know this, people have accidents due to making mistakes.


Largely because most people spend most of the time looking at their
speedos and the road furnitire to make sure they aren't breaking the
law, and no time looking at the road cinditions or other vehicles or
pedestrians to make sure they arent breaking the car :-)(


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In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in
idual.net:

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:01:12 GMT, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead
or
right.

If it's a round green light, it means what all round green lights
mean, proceed if it safe to do so, be that going ahead, turning left
or right.

A green up pointing arrow means proceed if safe to do so, ahead only.

A green right pointing arrow means proceed if safe to do so, right
turn only.

A green left point arrow means proceed if safe to do so, left turn
only.


Despite us know this, people have accidents due to making mistakes.

Quite. I moved off on a left filter the other day and the back cab
alongside me decided that meant he could go straight on. And hit a car who
who had the green with them.
He was probably more interested in his phone than driving. Like so many
these days. Although at least hadn't straddled the two lanes making it
impossible to use the filter.

It's odd the way people drive down the road with their right hand wheels
as close to the middle of the road marking at all times. Except at lights
where lanes are marked. Only then do they move over to the left to block
both lanes.

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 12:16:53 GMT
DerbyBorn wrote:

Despite us know this, people have accidents due to making mistakes.

The usual one is believing that they are competent to sling a ton of
metal around near other road users, despite having at best a tenuous
grasp of road law, physics ...

Rob Morley wrote:

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 12:16:53 GMT
DerbyBorn wrote:

Despite us know this, people have accidents due to making mistakes.

The usual one is believing that they are competent to sling a ton of
metal around near other road users, despite having at best a tenuous
grasp of road law, physics ...

To be fair, I have more than once seen lights where a single round green
light *does* indicate priority to turn right, usually where all or
nearly all the traffic is turning right into a major road and straight
on is either an obviously minor road or non-existent. I do think this
is bad and misleading design (they should use arrow-shaped multiple
green lights) and I, when a stranger to the area, usually annoy traffic
behind by pausing to try and work out what is happening. An example
where bad design in one place can cause accidents elsewhere which are
very unlikely to be attributed to the original bad design.


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Roger Hayter

DerbyBorn wrote:

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with LEDS.
If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

That the amber filter would add confusion.

It's perfectly OK to turn right on green without the filter if there's
no oncoming traffic.

If there is oncoming traffic it will be stopped before the filter is lit.

Andy Burns wrote in
:

DerbyBorn wrote:

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with
LEDS. If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

That the amber filter would add confusion.

It's perfectly OK to turn right on green without the filter if there's
no oncoming traffic.

If there is oncoming traffic it will be stopped before the filter is
lit.



How do people know there is a filter if it isn't lit?

DerbyBorn wrote:

How do people know there is a filter if it isn't lit?

They don't need to, if they see there's no oncoming traffic they turn
right as at any other junction with "normal" traffic lights, when the
filter lights then they know they should have right of way (if they're
sensible will still use caution).

Andy Burns wrote in news:fbr9unF2r0kU1
@mid.individual.net:

DerbyBorn wrote:

How do people know there is a filter if it isn't lit?

They don't need to, if they see there's no oncoming traffic they turn
right as at any other junction with "normal" traffic lights, when the
filter lights then they know they should have right of way (if they're
sensible will still use caution).



Watching my local new light controlled junction with interest! I guess it
will end up with a sign telling drivers that they need to Wait for filter
unless road is clear.

On 12/01/2018 10:48, DerbyBorn wrote:
Andy Burns wrote in news:fbr9unF2r0kU1
@mid.individual.net:

DerbyBorn wrote:

How do people know there is a filter if it isn't lit?

Use of eyes. It is still physically present - just unlit.

They don't need to, if they see there's no oncoming traffic they turn
right as at any other junction with "normal" traffic lights, when the
filter lights then they know they should have right of way (if they're
sensible will still use caution).

Watching my local new light controlled junction with interest! I guess it
will end up with a sign telling drivers that they need to Wait for filter
unless road is clear.

How do these people cope with normal (no filter) traffic lights then?

Most traffic lights do not have a right filter indicator but where there
is one you can assume that red is probably being displayed to the
oncoming traffic but you still have to decide if they are actually going
to stop. I have had one delivery van overtake standing traffic to go
straight from the right turn only lane right across my right turn filter
path. It was that near miss incident that convinced me to get a dashcam.

Where I think there is scope for sorting out a convention is whether the
right filter should occur at the start or end of the main green phase.
Argument in favour of start on a two lane road is that then both lanes
can go straight across rather than leaving the outer one deadlocked by
turning traffic stuck due to opposing traffic flow. At busy times the
right turn only lane is never long enough. Snag is that opposing traffic
sees someone move forward and goes for it against their red light.

A580 is particularly bad since the engineers seem to have tossed a coin
to decide whether right filter is before or after green at each lights.

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DerbyBorn wrote :
How do people know there is a filter if it isn't lit?

It will be at the bottom, maybe also on the right side and UNLIT.

There have been some criticisms of recent led lights around these parts as
it seems that the angle they can be seen from is a little too narrow since
the 'upgrade'.
Not being a driver, I'd not know how feasible your idea is.
Brian

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"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
2.222...
Some new traffic lights have been installed nearby. There is a Turn Right
Filter.
On approaching you see either the red / amber / green for ahead and right
if clear - or the Green Right Filter for Right.

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead or right.

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with LEDS.
If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

On 11/01/2018 19:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Some new traffic lights have been installed nearby. There is a Turn Right
Filter.
On approaching you see either the red / amber / green for ahead and right
if clear - or the Green Right Filter for Right.

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead or right.

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with LEDS.
If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

No. Amber light means stop.

Mike

On 12/01/2018 09:14, Muddymike wrote:
No. Amber light means stop.

But flashing amber lights mean go if it's clear to do so. Much used in the USA and various parts of Europe, still used here in some pedestrian crossings.


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In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
Some new traffic lights have been installed nearby. There is a Turn
Right Filter. On approaching you see either the red / amber / green for
ahead and right if clear - or the Green Right Filter for Right.

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead or
right.

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with
LEDS. If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

How would that help with those coming in the opposite direction jumping a
red light? Which must be happening if it is unsafe to turn right on the
filter.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article 2,
DerbyBorn wrote:
Some new traffic lights have been installed nearby. There is a Turn
Right Filter. On approaching you see either the red / amber / green for
ahead and right if clear - or the Green Right Filter for Right.

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead or
right.

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with
LEDS. If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

How would that help with those coming in the opposite direction jumping a
red light? Which must be happening if it is unsafe to turn right on the
filter.


Re read the OP.

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DerbyBorn wrote:

Some new traffic lights have been installed nearby. There is a Turn Right
Filter.
On approaching you see either the red / amber / green for ahead and right
if clear - or the Green Right Filter for Right.

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead or right.

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with LEDS.
If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

When traffic light designers want people to know that they have priority
turning right as soon as the lights turn green they usually have a
permanent right filter arrow come on at the same time as the round main
green light. (And sometimes a left arrow as well if there is a left
turn lane.) People who assume that a green light otherwise unqualified
gives them priority turning right should not be driving a car on the
public road. No special signal will help people who are this ignorant.



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Roger Hayter

Roger Hayter wrote:

People who assume that a green light otherwise unqualified gives them
priority turning right should not be driving a car on the public
road. No special signal will help people who are this ignorant.

That's about the level of it, the O/P is trying to cater for people too
thick to understand the multicoloured blinkenlights ...

Roger Hayter posted
DerbyBorn wrote:

Some new traffic lights have been installed nearby. There is a Turn Right
Filter.
On approaching you see either the red / amber / green for ahead and right
if clear - or the Green Right Filter for Right.

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead or right.

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with LEDS.
If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

When traffic light designers want people to know that they have priority
turning right as soon as the lights turn green they usually have a
permanent right filter arrow come on at the same time as the round main
green light.

But they often don't.

(And sometimes a left arrow as well if there is a left
turn lane.) People who assume that a green light otherwise unqualified
gives them priority turning right should not be driving a car on the
public road. No special signal will help people who are this ignorant.

Sometimes it does give them that priority, but there is no way for them
to know this unless they've been there before.

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Jack

Handsome Jack wrote:

Roger Hayter posted
DerbyBorn wrote:

Some new traffic lights have been installed nearby. There is a Turn Right
Filter.
On approaching you see either the red / amber / green for ahead and right
if clear - or the Green Right Filter for Right.

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead or right.

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with LEDS.
If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

When traffic light designers want people to know that they have priority
turning right as soon as the lights turn green they usually have a
permanent right filter arrow come on at the same time as the round main
green light.

But they often don't.

(And sometimes a left arrow as well if there is a left
turn lane.) People who assume that a green light otherwise unqualified
gives them priority turning right should not be driving a car on the
public road. No special signal will help people who are this ignorant.

Sometimes it does give them that priority, but there is no way for them
to know this unless they've been there before.

Unfortunately you are right. In which case, at a strange traffic light
system, one should pause and only proceed right if one is sure one can
see far enough down potentially colliding routes. If the locals get
annoyed that's just one of those things. This is bad design.

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On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 1:09:35 PM UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
Handsome Jack wrote:

Roger Hayter posted
DerbyBorn wrote:

Some new traffic lights have been installed nearby. There is a Turn Right
Filter.
On approaching you see either the red / amber / green for ahead and right
if clear - or the Green Right Filter for Right.

Some have been assuming that the green signifies clear for ahead or right.

It occurred to me that we need an Amber Filter. Easily achieved with LEDS.
If Amber the turn if safe - otherwise wait.

What do others think?

When traffic light designers want people to know that they have priority
turning right as soon as the lights turn green they usually have a
permanent right filter arrow come on at the same time as the round main
green light.

But they often don't.

(And sometimes a left arrow as well if there is a left
turn lane.) People who assume that a green light otherwise unqualified
gives them priority turning right should not be driving a car on the
public road. No special signal will help people who are this ignorant.

Sometimes it does give them that priority, but there is no way for them
to know this unless they've been there before.

Unfortunately you are right. In which case, at a strange traffic light
system, one should pause and only proceed right if one is sure one can
see far enough down potentially colliding routes. If the locals get
annoyed that's just one of those things. This is bad design.

--

Roger Hayter

A green traffic light means proceed with caution.

There are two intersections where the green filter arrow comes on it does not indicate right of way. Regular accident spot.

On 17/01/2018 14:38, fred wrote:


A green traffic light means proceed with caution.

There are two intersections where the green filter arrow comes on it
does not indicate right of way. Regular accident spot.


Some prat drove into the side of a car I was driving when the filter
arrow came on, totally oblivious to the fact the lights are still on
green from the opposite direction.

It appears there are a lot of drivers that don't know what traffic
lights indicate.