S'obvious what the next move's gonna be.
They're gonna demand (more) money to take our plastic waste.
And have the option of refusing it if it's contaminated.

I would have thought that if they were really recycling it for making stuff
they would carry on. More likely is that whatever they were doin with it was
not very ecologically friendly, so perhaps, in the long run its a good thing
and might prompt somebody to figure out some energy efficient scheme to
reuse it or repurpose it which is not energy guzzling or prone to pollution.

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S'obvious what the next move's gonna be.
They're gonna demand (more) money to take our plastic waste.
And have the option of refusing it if it's contaminated.

Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 00:19:10 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

S'obvious what the next move's gonna be.
They're gonna demand (more) money to take our plastic waste.
And have the option of refusing it if it's contaminated.

There's a big fuss ATM about plastics getting into the oceans and
harming sea life, from plankton to whales. People in the UK are
talking about reducing use of plastics in packaging etc. and some
places are even rejoicing in declaring themselves 'plastic free', or
whatever. How silly is all that?

Not at a silly if youre at all aware just how much of out plastic waste
ends up all over our countryside and on our beaches.

Apart from the fact that plastics,
especially plastic packaging, is an extremely useful and hygienic way
of presenting food etc

That is the crux of the problem. Its incredibly useful and good at doing
that.

, I read that 90% of the plastic waste in our
oceans comes from rivers in the Far East. http://bit.ly/2lC2qGR

Whilst that may be true for much of what is floating out in the open ocean
I fill a large carrier bag every day with plastic litter from our local
beach. I can assure you that its not stuff from the Far East.



AIUI, in the UK, plastic waste is either recycled, incinerated or sent
to landfill. How much of it actually ends up in the sea? I've no idea
but not much, I wouldn't think. So it seems to me that these campaigns
to reduce plastic packaging in the UK are typically misguided,
emotional, not thought through and probably 'green' ideas.

Given that plastics dont just €œgo away€� once they reach the ocean I think
anything we can do to reduce plastic waste has got to be a good idea. Over
90% of the plastic I pick up off our beach is convenience food/drink
packaging. I.e. stuff we dont actually *need*.


What I don't know is what happens to the plastic waste that gets
recycled. Clearly, from recent headlines about China not taking any
more of the stuff, a lot was actually exported and not recycled in the
UK. Which raises the question 'what happens to the exported stuff?' Is
a lot of it just dumped in the sea in the Far East, in which case
there is cause for concern, but it just means we should up our game
when it comes to recycling here in the UK, not blindly run campaigns
to reduce the use of plastics all together.


I would agree absolutely with improving UK recycling. I think the move by
the Chinese is a good thing and will help to concentrate minds. I do think
that we should try whenever possible to reduce our use of plastics though.

Tim



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On 02/01/2018 09:11, Chris Hogg wrote:

AIUI, in the UK, plastic waste is either recycled, incinerated or sent
to landfill. How much of it actually ends up in the sea? I've no idea
but not much, I wouldn't think. So it seems to me that these campaigns
to reduce plastic packaging in the UK are typically misguided,
emotional, not thought through and probably 'green' ideas.

I was under the impression that the biggest problem was mixed packing
where a food may be placed in a plastic tray which can be recycled but
then a film which cannot be recycled is bonded to the tray thus
"contaminating" it. Cardboard boxes with unnecessary plastic
see-through windows is another example.

Reducing packaging on many products seems to me a sensible idea. I'm not
advocating banning the sensible use of suitable packaging but I've seen
food from on brand that is in 3 layers of packing whereas the equivalent
from another supplier is in 1 layer of packaging.

Is
a lot of it just dumped in the sea in the Far East, in which case
there is cause for concern,

There was a lot of concern about plastic micro-beads entering the food
chain but I now read that a bigger concern is the use of washing
machines. Washing synthetic materials in a washing machine results in
microscopic particles of the material being shed and being flushed down
the drain in the rinse cycle. These act in the same way as the now
banned micro-beads that were added to certain products (such as
toothpaste) and enter the food chain at the lowest level.



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On 02/01/2018 09:30, Tim+ wrote:

Whilst that may be true for much of what is floating out in the open ocean
I fill a large carrier bag every day with plastic litter from our local
beach. I can assure you that its not stuff from the Far East.

Well done you! I'll pick up the occasional bit of litter and stick it in
a nearby bin, but I don't have the gumption to bring a bag along and
pick up large quantities.

It does not matter really where its from though, its the type of plastic
which is the issue. It lasts too long. This is what you get when you can
create new materials that do not exist naturally and do not do end to end
testing of what it will mean when end of life comes.
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 00:19:10 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

S'obvious what the next move's gonna be.
They're gonna demand (more) money to take our plastic waste.
And have the option of refusing it if it's contaminated.

There's a big fuss ATM about plastics getting into the oceans and
harming sea life, from plankton to whales. People in the UK are
talking about reducing use of plastics in packaging etc. and some
places are even rejoicing in declaring themselves 'plastic free', or
whatever. How silly is all that? Apart from the fact that plastics,
especially plastic packaging, is an extremely useful and hygienic way
of presenting food etc, I read that 90% of the plastic waste in our
oceans comes from rivers in the Far East. http://bit.ly/2lC2qGR

AIUI, in the UK, plastic waste is either recycled, incinerated or sent
to landfill. How much of it actually ends up in the sea? I've no idea
but not much, I wouldn't think. So it seems to me that these campaigns
to reduce plastic packaging in the UK are typically misguided,
emotional, not thought through and probably 'green' ideas.

What I don't know is what happens to the plastic waste that gets
recycled. Clearly, from recent headlines about China not taking any
more of the stuff, a lot was actually exported and not recycled in the
UK. Which raises the question 'what happens to the exported stuff?' Is
a lot of it just dumped in the sea in the Far East, in which case
there is cause for concern, but it just means we should up our game
when it comes to recycling here in the UK, not blindly run campaigns
to reduce the use of plastics all together.

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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 00:19:10 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

S'obvious what the next move's gonna be.
They're gonna demand (more) money to take our plastic waste.
And have the option of refusing it if it's contaminated.

There's a big fuss ATM about plastics getting into the oceans and
harming sea life, from plankton to whales.

It's not just the ocean

I have recently holidayed in one of the less well developed countries (but
nowhere near to complete deprivation) and every piece of rough ground is
covered in waste plastic

People in the UK are
talking about reducing use of plastics in packaging etc. and some
places are even rejoicing in declaring themselves 'plastic free', or
whatever. How silly is all that?

Seems perfectly sensible to be (from the pov that you are asking)

Apart from the fact that plastics,
especially plastic packaging, is an extremely useful and hygienic way
of presenting food etc,

This isn't a reason to pollute the environment with tonnes of waste that
doesn't biodegrade. Find some other way of packaging your goods!

I read that 90% of the plastic waste in our
oceans comes from rivers in the Far East. http://bit.ly/2lC2qGR

If we hadn't "invented" the stuff they would be using it either

AIUI, in the UK, plastic waste is either recycled, incinerated or sent
to landfill.

great we send it to land fill. For it to sit there forever.

How much of it actually ends up in the sea?

the percenetahe that doesn't get put in the reuse collection in the first
place

look around your local town you will see discarded plastic "everywhere"

I've no idea
but not much, I wouldn't think.

But if we didn't create this packaging in the first place there would be
none.

So it seems to me that these campaigns
to reduce plastic packaging in the UK are typically misguided,
emotional, not thought through and probably 'green' ideas.

seems more than sensible to me.

What I don't know is what happens to the plastic waste that gets
recycled. Clearly, from recent headlines about China not taking any
more of the stuff, a lot was actually exported and not recycled in the
UK. Which raises the question 'what happens to the exported stuff?' Is
a lot of it just dumped in the sea in the Far East, in which case
there is cause for concern, but it just means we should up our game
when it comes to recycling here in the UK, not blindly run campaigns
to reduce the use of plastics all together.

I think it's irrelevant that it only gets to pollute the environment because
somebody hasn't disposed of it properly

The point is that we have proved that we CANNOT control the disposal and no
matter what we do some (non negligible amount) of it will end up polluting
the environment

Many of the uses of plastic containers (I'll admit not all) don't need to be
plastic at all

We should find another way

tim

On 02/01/18 10:54, tim... wrote:
great we send it to land fill.Â* For it to sit there forever.

Well probably a bit longer than most nuclear waste, but not forever.


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On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 09:52:33 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:


Not at a silly if you’re at all aware just how much of out plastic waste
ends up all over our countryside and on our beaches.

How much, then, in terms of tons, or percentage of what we throw away?
Unsightly, yes, but I doubt it's actually a very significant
proportion of the total.

Apart from the fact that plastics,
especially plastic packaging, is an extremely useful and hygienic way
of presenting food etc

That is the crux of the problem. It’s incredibly useful and good at doing
that.

, I read that 90% of the plastic waste in our
oceans comes from rivers in the Far East. http://bit.ly/2lC2qGR

Whilst that may be true for much of what is floating out in the open ocean
I fill a large carrier bag every day with plastic litter from our local
beach. I can assure you that it’s not stuff from the Far East.

In the far SW, and indeed on the UK west coast in general, a lot of
the waste (not just plastic) that ends up on the beaches, comes from
across the Atlantic,
You also live in area which is still relatively unpopulated compared
to some parts of the UK, where the population is denser almost any
watercourse now has a collection of plastic bobbing away which unless
it is physically caught and removed will eventually be washed in to
the sea during periods of heavy rainfall that move all the bottles,
parking cones etc onwards.
I took a walk on Bude beach on Boxing day and although some of the
plastic was anonymous there were R Whites lemonade and Bulmers cider
and other branded containers piled up on the tide line unlikely to
have have come from abroad.
They could have come from anywhere that has water courses that
eventually feed into the Severn and then the Bristol Channel and that
is a lot of sizable places such as Bristol, Cardiff ,Worcester,
Stratford upon Avon and hundreds more. Its no wonder that places like
Watch et Clovelley , Marsland Mouth, Crackington Haven and the rest no
longer have the tide mark delineated by sea weed and the odd cork
float or natural fibre rope but now have a thick detritus of plastic
containers and lost plastic fishing gear and ships ropes.made from
synthetic materials.

I could be cheeky and say you have selective vision as to what gets
chucked in the sea as your former industry chucked enough rubbish in
the sea that it turned the streams white for decades..
Your pension may well be heathier because of the costs saved.
Occasionally standards still slip
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/8140783.stm

At least once stopped the effects largely stop as well, plastic
pollution last a lot longer.

G.Harman

GB wrote:
On 02/01/2018 09:30, Tim+ wrote:

Whilst that may be true for much of what is floating out in the open ocean
I fill a large carrier bag every day with plastic litter from our local
beach. I can assure you that its not stuff from the Far East.

Well done you! I'll pick up the occasional bit of litter and stick it in
a nearby bin, but I don't have the gumption to bring a bag along and
pick up large quantities.


My wife and I bring a large reusable shopping bag each and litter pickers
and use them whilst were walking the dog.

In the big scheme of things it maybe isnt making a huge difference but it
makes us feel happier about using the beach. We seem to have stimulated a
few €œcopy cats€� by our actions.

Tim

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On 02/01/2018 12:43, Tim+ wrote:
GB wrote:
On 02/01/2018 09:30, Tim+ wrote:

Whilst that may be true for much of what is floating out in the open ocean
I fill a large carrier bag every day with plastic litter from our local
beach. I can assure you that its not stuff from the Far East.

Well done you! I'll pick up the occasional bit of litter and stick it in
a nearby bin, but I don't have the gumption to bring a bag along and
pick up large quantities.


My wife and I bring a large reusable shopping bag each and litter pickers
and use them whilst were walking the dog.

In the big scheme of things it maybe isnt making a huge difference but it
makes us feel happier about using the beach. We seem to have stimulated a
few €œcopy cats€� by our actions.

Tim

Won't be long before the council issues you with a stop order, for not
following their rules for collecting waste.

On 02/01/2018 09:41, alan_m wrote:
On 02/01/2018 09:11, Chris Hogg wrote:

AIUI, in the UK, plastic waste is either recycled, incinerated or sent
to landfill. How much of it actually ends up in the sea? I've no idea
but not much, I wouldn't think. So it seems to me that these campaigns
to reduce plastic packaging in the UK are typically misguided,
emotional, not thought through and probably 'green' ideas.

I was under the impression that the biggest problem was mixed packing
where a food may be placed in a plastic tray which can be recycled but
then a film which cannot be recycled is bonded to the tray thus
"contaminating" it. Cardboard boxes with unnecessary plastic see-through
windows is another example.

Reducing packaging on many products seems to me a sensible idea. I'm not
advocating banning the sensible use of suitable packaging but I've seen
food from on brand that is in 3 layers of packing whereas the equivalent
from another supplier is in 1 layer of packaging.

Is
a lot of it just dumped in the sea in the Far East, in which case
there is cause for concern,

There was a lot of concern about plastic micro-beads entering the food
chain but I now read that a bigger concern is the use of washing
machines. Washing synthetic materials in a washing machine results in
microscopic particles of the material being shed and being flushed down
the drain in the rinse cycle. These act in the same way as the now
banned micro-beads that were added to certain products (such as
toothpaste) and enter the food chain at the lowest level.



I used to tear off the plastic window from takeaway sandwiches so that
the paper/card could be recycled but now they seem to have switched
to a paper/card/polythene film laminate just like the Starbucks cups.

So can only be recycled in one place the in the UK.

On 02/01/2018 10:54, tim... wrote:
It's not just the ocean

The route to Everest is apparently well marked with toilet paper, sh1t,
empty oxygen bottles, and above the death zone, bodies.

On 02/01/18 13:18, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:26:30 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

* there was a Red River that drained the mining area around Camborne
into St. Ives Bay at Gwithian, coloured mostly by red iron oxide, also
now clean

It's where Redditch, Worcs. also gets its name from.

Eau Rouge...


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"alan_m" wrote in message
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On 02/01/2018 09:11, Chris Hogg wrote:

AIUI, in the UK, plastic waste is either recycled, incinerated or sent
to landfill. How much of it actually ends up in the sea? I've no idea
but not much, I wouldn't think. So it seems to me that these campaigns
to reduce plastic packaging in the UK are typically misguided,
emotional, not thought through and probably 'green' ideas.

I was under the impression that the biggest problem was mixed packing
where a food may be placed in a plastic tray which can be recycled but
then a film which cannot be recycled is bonded to the tray thus
"contaminating" it. Cardboard boxes with unnecessary plastic see-through
windows is another example.

Reducing packaging on many products seems to me a sensible idea. I'm not
advocating banning the sensible use of suitable packaging but I've seen
food from on brand that is in 3 layers of packing whereas the equivalent
from another supplier is in 1 layer of packaging.

Is
a lot of it just dumped in the sea in the Far East, in which case
there is cause for concern,

There was a lot of concern about plastic micro-beads entering the food
chain but I now read that a bigger concern is the use of washing machines.
Washing synthetic materials in a washing machine results in microscopic
particles of the material being shed and being flushed down the drain in
the rinse cycle. These act in the same way as the now banned micro-beads
that were added to certain products (such as toothpaste) and enter the
food chain at the lowest level.

Sure, but surely most of that doesnt end up in the ocean.

On 02/01/2018 08:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
I would have thought that if they were really recycling it for making stuff
they would carry on. More likely is that whatever they were doin with it was
not very ecologically friendly, so perhaps, in the long run its a good thing
and might prompt somebody to figure out some energy efficient scheme to
reuse it or repurpose it which is not energy guzzling or prone to pollution.

How do they recycle plastic efficiently as there are lots of different
kinds of plastic? (I mean "efficient" as in turning it back into
something useful, rather than just some kind of low grade packing
material. I would have thought that only thermoplastics like
polyethylene could be turned back into useful stuff.)

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On 02/01/2018 09:41, alan_m wrote:

There was a lot of concern about plastic micro-beads entering the food
chain but I now read that a bigger concern is the use of washing
machines. Washing synthetic materials in a washing machine results in
microscopic particles of the material being shed and being flushed down
the drain in the rinse cycle.

What do the greenies expect us to do? Go back to cotton and linen shirts
and sheets? Or homespun woollen smocks?

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On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:01:20 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 02/01/2018 08:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
I would have thought that if they were really recycling it for making stuff
they would carry on. More likely is that whatever they were doin with it was
not very ecologically friendly, so perhaps, in the long run its a good thing
and might prompt somebody to figure out some energy efficient scheme to
reuse it or repurpose it which is not energy guzzling or prone to pollution.

How do they recycle plastic efficiently as there are lots of different
kinds of plastic? (I mean "efficient" as in turning it back into
something useful, rather than just some kind of low grade packing
material. I would have thought that only thermoplastics like
polyethylene could be turned back into useful stuff.)



They have near slave labour.
It's sorted manually.

On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:07:47 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 02/01/2018 09:41, alan_m wrote:

There was a lot of concern about plastic micro-beads entering the food
chain but I now read that a bigger concern is the use of washing
machines. Washing synthetic materials in a washing machine results in
microscopic particles of the material being shed and being flushed down
the drain in the rinse cycle.

What do the greenies expect us to do? Go back to cotton and linen shirts
and sheets? Or homespun woollen smocks?

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There's no alternative.

On 03/01/2018 07:28, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:07:47 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 02/01/2018 09:41, alan_m wrote:

There was a lot of concern about plastic micro-beads entering the food
chain but I now read that a bigger concern is the use of washing
machines. Washing synthetic materials in a washing machine results in
microscopic particles of the material being shed and being flushed down
the drain in the rinse cycle.

What do the greenies expect us to do? Go back to cotton and linen shirts
and sheets? Or homespun woollen smocks?

Ban the use of washing machines?


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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...

What I don't know is what happens to the plastic waste that gets
recycled. Clearly, from recent headlines about China not taking any
more of the stuff, a lot was actually exported and not recycled in the
UK. Which raises the question 'what happens to the exported stuff?' Is
a lot of it just dumped in the sea in the Far East, in which case
there is cause for concern, but it just means we should up our game
when it comes to recycling here in the UK, not blindly run campaigns
to reduce the use of plastics all together.

About 5 years ago, there was a beeb documentary about a Chinese entrepreneur
who spotted Chinese container ships arriving in the UK and leaving - empty.
No surprises there.

Can't remember her name but she formed a company and "bought" our plastic
waste and sent it home. They turned it into nylon thread and sold it to
clothes manufacturers. Needless to say, she became a multi millionaire.

"Bertie Doe" wrote in message ...

Can't remember her name but she formed a company and "bought" our plastic
waste and sent it home. They turned it into nylon thread and sold it to
clothes manufacturers. Needless to say, she became a multi millionaire.

Sorry, it was Polyester NOT Nylon :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyF9MxlcItw

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message news
On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:17:57 +0000, Bertie Doe wrote:



"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
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About 5 years ago, there was a beeb documentary about a Chinese
entrepreneur who spotted Chinese container ships arriving in the UK and
leaving - empty. No surprises there.

Well I'm surprised. Empty cargo transport is the antichrist. No sane
company would allow it if there was any way to avoid it.

Collapse of Hanjin didn't help. If they lose MSC / Maersk, it'll be curtains
for Felixstowe :-
https://theloadstar.co.uk/10000-empt...stion-returns/

Bertie Doe wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message news
On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:17:57 +0000, Bertie Doe wrote:



"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
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[quoted text muted]

About 5 years ago, there was a beeb documentary about a Chinese
entrepreneur who spotted Chinese container ships arriving in the UK and
leaving - empty. No surprises there.

Well I'm surprised. Empty cargo transport is the antichrist. No sane
company would allow it if there was any way to avoid it.

Collapse of Hanjin didn't help. If they lose MSC / Maersk, it'll be curtains
for Felixstowe :-
https://theloadstar.co.uk/10000-empt...stion-returns/

That report is from October 2016, well over a year ago.

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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 15:17:57 +0000, Bertie Doe wrote:



"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
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[quoted text muted]

About 5 years ago, there was a beeb documentary about a Chinese
entrepreneur who spotted Chinese container ships arriving in the UK and
leaving - empty. No surprises there.

Well I'm surprised.

No surprises there.

Empty cargo transport is the antichrist. No sane company
would allow it if there was any way to avoid it.

There wasnt any way to avoid it when vastly more moves
from china to britain than goes back the other way.

When I worked in logistics, there was a reason the tramping module
was a premium plugin. It was what almost everyone wanted.

(Mind you, who knows anything about why Liverpool was
the richest city in the world, and more importantly, *why* ?)

"Chris Green" wrote in message ...

Bertie Doe wrote:
Collapse of Hanjin didn't help. If they lose MSC / Maersk, it'll be
curtains
for Felixstowe :-
https://theloadstar.co.uk/10000-empt...stion-returns/

That report is from October 2016, well over a year ago.

True but 6 months ago "10,000 empty containers ..... with no immediate
prospect of shifting them"
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread...nto-Felixstowe

Other ports have problems (on a smaller scale), with ships "cutting and
running" i.e. they are so far behind schedule, they leave the empties
behind.

On 02/01/2018 09:11, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 00:19:10 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

S'obvious what the next move's gonna be.
They're gonna demand (more) money to take our plastic waste.
And have the option of refusing it if it's contaminated.

There's a big fuss ATM about plastics getting into the oceans and
harming sea life, from plankton to whales. People in the UK are
talking about reducing use of plastics in packaging etc. and some
places are even rejoicing in declaring themselves 'plastic free', or
whatever. How silly is all that? Apart from the fact that plastics,
especially plastic packaging, is an extremely useful and hygienic way
of presenting food etc, I read that 90% of the plastic waste in our
oceans comes from rivers in the Far East. http://bit.ly/2lC2qGR

AIUI, in the UK, plastic waste is either recycled, incinerated or sent
to landfill. How much of it actually ends up in the sea? I've no idea
but not much, I wouldn't think. So it seems to me that these campaigns
to reduce plastic packaging in the UK are typically misguided,
emotional, not thought through and probably 'green' ideas.

What I don't know is what happens to the plastic waste that gets
recycled. Clearly, from recent headlines about China not taking any
more of the stuff, a lot was actually exported and not recycled in the
UK. Which raises the question 'what happens to the exported stuff?' Is
a lot of it just dumped in the sea in the Far East, in which case
there is cause for concern, but it just means we should up our game
when it comes to recycling here in the UK, not blindly run campaigns
to reduce the use of plastics all together.

Agreed.

Everywhere seems to be different, but here in Gloucestershire we have
four streams: landfill, food waste, paper/cardboard, and tins+glass+
"bulk" plastic.

Food waste is new, this goes to a digester, I think. I read somewhere
that only paper/cardboard is an actual net earner, tins/glass/plastic is
just less expensive than landfill.

There is a big incinerator being built (with much public opposition).

Presumably tins easily go into iron and aluminium recycling. Glass is I
think crushed and put into building or road aggregate. No idea what they
currently do with plastic (send to China?) but could be incinerated and
potentially generate some electricity. PE and PP can go into low grade
structural stuff, I think PET can be turned into fleeces.

"Bertie Doe" wrote in message
...


"Chris Green" wrote in message ...

Bertie Doe wrote:
Collapse of Hanjin didn't help. If they lose MSC / Maersk, it'll be
curtains
for Felixstowe :-
https://theloadstar.co.uk/10000-empt...stion-returns/

That report is from October 2016, well over a year ago.

True but 6 months ago "10,000 empty containers ..... with no immediate
prospect of shifting them"
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread...nto-Felixstowe

Other ports have problems (on a smaller scale), with ships "cutting and
running" i.e. they are so far behind schedule, they leave the empties
behind.

This is normal

it's why second hand containers bought for other purposes are so cheap

tim