always go for second hand......just decked out the utility room with second
hand industrial grade carpet tiles at 50p each from a car boot sale .... ok
a couple had chewing gum stuck and the odd staple.......but bloody hell they
look good and were cheap ....must have had light use in an office situation
..........could have wasted a fortune buying new crap like that ieka kitchen
......never again ....

On 15/11/2017 15:10, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
always go for second hand......just decked out the utility room with second
hand industrial grade carpet tiles at 50p each from a car boot sale .... ok
a couple had chewing gum stuck and the odd staple.......but bloody hell they
look good and were cheap ....must have had light use in an office situation
.........could have wasted a fortune buying new crap like that ieka kitchen
.....never again ....

My parents bought a carpet for the hall, stairs and landing in 1963. It
had previously been used at an exhibition. It lasted until the mid '90s.
My brand new, expensive and supposedly good quality hall, stairs and
landing carpet installed in 1993, was worn through and had to be
replaced in 2004. Even worse, until 2002, there was only me here to wear
it out, wheras my parents had themselves, myself and my sister there
until 1993.

Their old carpet was propely fitted too. None of these gripper rods.
Steel washers sown to the back of it and hooked over the heads of screws
in the floor!

SteveW

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
Their old carpet was propely fitted too. None of these gripper rods.
Steel washers sown to the back of it and hooked over the heads of screws
in the floor!

Forget the name for that - loop and pin? Once common oop north. Doesn't
give as neat a job as smoothedge, though.

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In article ,
Steve Walker writes:
On 15/11/2017 15:10, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
always go for second hand......just decked out the utility room with second
hand industrial grade carpet tiles at 50p each from a car boot sale .... ok
a couple had chewing gum stuck and the odd staple.......but bloody hell they
look good and were cheap ....must have had light use in an office situation
.........could have wasted a fortune buying new crap like that ieka kitchen
.....never again ....

My parents bought a carpet for the hall, stairs and landing in 1963. It
had previously been used at an exhibition. It lasted until the mid '90s.
My brand new, expensive and supposedly good quality hall, stairs and
landing carpet installed in 1993, was worn through and had to be
replaced in 2004. Even worse, until 2002, there was only me here to wear
it out, wheras my parents had themselves, myself and my sister there
until 1993.

Their old carpet was propely fitted too. None of these gripper rods.
Steel washers sown to the back of it and hooked over the heads of screws
in the floor!

Good carpets usually fail when the underlay fails.
A common issue is fitting crap underlay on the basis it can't be
seen, and then it collapses where walked on, and the carpet wears out.

--
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On Friday, 17 November 2017 00:25:29 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker writes:
On 15/11/2017 15:10, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

My parents bought a carpet for the hall, stairs and landing in 1963. It
had previously been used at an exhibition. It lasted until the mid '90s.
My brand new, expensive and supposedly good quality hall, stairs and
landing carpet installed in 1993, was worn through and had to be
replaced in 2004. Even worse, until 2002, there was only me here to wear
it out, wheras my parents had themselves, myself and my sister there
until 1993.

Their old carpet was propely fitted too. None of these gripper rods.
Steel washers sown to the back of it and hooked over the heads of screws
in the floor!

Good carpets usually fail when the underlay fails.
A common issue is fitting crap underlay on the basis it can't be
seen, and then it collapses where walked on, and the carpet wears out.

How do you tell which is the good stuff?


NT

wrote in message
...
On Friday, 17 November 2017 00:25:29 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker writes:
On 15/11/2017 15:10, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

My parents bought a carpet for the hall, stairs and landing in 1963. It
had previously been used at an exhibition. It lasted until the mid
'90s.
My brand new, expensive and supposedly good quality hall, stairs and
landing carpet installed in 1993, was worn through and had to be
replaced in 2004. Even worse, until 2002, there was only me here to
wear
it out, wheras my parents had themselves, myself and my sister there
until 1993.

Their old carpet was propely fitted too. None of these gripper rods.
Steel washers sown to the back of it and hooked over the heads of
screws
in the floor!

Good carpets usually fail when the underlay fails.
A common issue is fitting crap underlay on the basis it can't be
seen, and then it collapses where walked on, and the carpet wears out.

How do you tell which is the good stuff?

Ask Dave, he will know.

wrote in message
...
On Friday, 17 November 2017 00:25:29 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker writes:
On 15/11/2017 15:10, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

My parents bought a carpet for the hall, stairs and landing in 1963. It
had previously been used at an exhibition. It lasted until the mid
'90s.
My brand new, expensive and supposedly good quality hall, stairs and
landing carpet installed in 1993, was worn through and had to be
replaced in 2004. Even worse, until 2002, there was only me here to
wear
it out, wheras my parents had themselves, myself and my sister there
until 1993.

Their old carpet was propely fitted too. None of these gripper rods.
Steel washers sown to the back of it and hooked over the heads of
screws
in the floor!

Good carpets usually fail when the underlay fails.
A common issue is fitting crap underlay on the basis it can't be
seen, and then it collapses where walked on, and the carpet wears out.

How do you tell which is the good stuff?

Ask the supplier.

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 15:10:43 UTC, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
always go for second hand......just decked out the utility room with second
hand industrial grade carpet tiles at 50p each from a car boot sale .... ok
a couple had chewing gum stuck and the odd staple.......but bloody hell they
look good and were cheap ....must have had light use in an office situation
.........could have wasted a fortune buying new crap like that ieka kitchen
.....never again ....

And cars.
Best bought a year old or thereabouts.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 15:10:43 UTC, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
always go for second hand......just decked out the utility room with
second
hand industrial grade carpet tiles at 50p each from a car boot sale ....
ok
a couple had chewing gum stuck and the odd staple.......but bloody hell
they
look good and were cheap ....must have had light use in an office
situation
.........could have wasted a fortune buying new crap like that ieka
kitchen
.....never again ....

And cars.
Best bought a year old or thereabouts.

Trouble with that approach is you get a hell of a lot less
choice and are much more likely to be buying something
that someone has decided is a steaming turd with wheels.

In article ,
wrote:
Good carpets usually fail when the underlay fails.
A common issue is fitting crap underlay on the basis it can't be
seen, and then it collapses where walked on, and the carpet wears out.

How do you tell which is the good stuff?

It costs more from the same source. ;-)

The basic rubber fabric backed stuff won't last anywhere near as long as
even a halfway decent carpet.

I rather like Cloud9 as underlay.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article m,
bm wrote:
Good carpets usually fail when the underlay fails.
A common issue is fitting crap underlay on the basis it can't be
seen, and then it collapses where walked on, and the carpet wears out.

How do you tell which is the good stuff?

Ask Dave, he will know.

True - unlike you who seem to know f-all about anything DIY, but still
insist on posting.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article m,
bm wrote:
Good carpets usually fail when the underlay fails.
A common issue is fitting crap underlay on the basis it can't be
seen, and then it collapses where walked on, and the carpet wears out.

How do you tell which is the good stuff?

Ask Dave, he will know.

True - unlike you who seem to know f-all about anything DIY, but still
insist on posting.

LOL, look here sunshine. If you can keep posting ********, so can I.
I actually do a bit of DIY.
I realise it's beneath you, you just get someone in.
Us penniless plebs have to do it ourselves.
You need a partner, Dave.

In article om,
bm wrote:
True - unlike you who seem to know f-all about anything DIY, but still
insist on posting.

LOL, look here sunshine. If you can keep posting ********, so can I.
I actually do a bit of DIY.

If you say so. But explain why, in the last couple of weeks or so of your
many many posts, only one has anything even vaguely to do with a DIY topic.

Your ratio of ******** to DIY is about 56:1

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article om,
bm wrote:
True - unlike you who seem to know f-all about anything DIY, but still
insist on posting.

LOL, look here sunshine. If you can keep posting ********, so can I.
I actually do a bit of DIY.

If you say so. But explain why, in the last couple of weeks or so of your
many many posts, only one has anything even vaguely to do with a DIY
topic.

Your ratio of ******** to DIY is about 56:1

Yes, it's difficult to keep up with you.

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes

I rather like Cloud9 as underlay.

+1

I fitted some a while ago and, TBH, it is much better than I expected.
Easy to fit/lay, too. Makes a cheap and cheerful carpet feel quite
luxurious.
--
Graeme

On Friday, 17 November 2017 03:10:39 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...
On Friday, 17 November 2017 00:25:29 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker writes:
On 15/11/2017 15:10, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

My parents bought a carpet for the hall, stairs and landing in 1963. It
had previously been used at an exhibition. It lasted until the mid
'90s.
My brand new, expensive and supposedly good quality hall, stairs and
landing carpet installed in 1993, was worn through and had to be
replaced in 2004. Even worse, until 2002, there was only me here to
wear
it out, wheras my parents had themselves, myself and my sister there
until 1993.

Their old carpet was propely fitted too. None of these gripper rods.
Steel washers sown to the back of it and hooked over the heads of
screws
in the floor!

Good carpets usually fail when the underlay fails.
A common issue is fitting crap underlay on the basis it can't be
seen, and then it collapses where walked on, and the carpet wears out.

How do you tell which is the good stuff?

Ask the supplier.

lol

On Friday, 17 November 2017 10:37:26 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Good carpets usually fail when the underlay fails.
A common issue is fitting crap underlay on the basis it can't be
seen, and then it collapses where walked on, and the carpet wears out.

How do you tell which is the good stuff?

It costs more from the same source. ;-)

The basic rubber fabric backed stuff won't last anywhere near as long as
even a halfway decent carpet.

I rather like Cloud9 as underlay.

sounds like neither of us knows then.


NT

In article ,
Graeme wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes

I rather like Cloud9 as underlay.

+1

I fitted some a while ago and, TBH, it is much better than I expected.
Easy to fit/lay, too. Makes a cheap and cheerful carpet feel quite
luxurious.

Yup - and it also lasts well. Replaced the original underlay in my hall
and stairs with it several years ago and it's still as springy as new. The
original underlay had turned to dust.

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