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I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters.. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use?
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I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? There is no such knot. What you need is some form of spring loaded latch like you see on rabbit or small animal leg traps. The string just triggers that. The latch just keeps the door shut until you close it yourself, it isnt involved in trapping the cat, the cage still does that. |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... wrote I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? There is no such knot. What you need is some form of spring loaded latch like you see on rabbit or small animal leg traps. The string just triggers that. The latch just keeps the door shut until you close it yourself, it isnt involved in trapping the cat, the cage still does that. Or just a decent latch on the door that locks when you pull the door closed with the string when you see the cat is in the cage. |
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It also depends on whether the door is hinged at the side or the top or whatever. Nope. How many people do you have at your disposal? I've disposed of quite a few, but if I told you how many, I'd have to kill you. After all if the cage was weighted and one person could pull the string and keep tension on it till you got to the cage and latched it. Completely trivial to tie off the string and go and latch the door. "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... wrote I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? There is no such knot. What you need is some form of spring loaded latch like you see on rabbit or small animal leg traps. The string just triggers that. The latch just keeps the door shut until you close it yourself, it isnt involved in trapping the cat, the cage still does that. Or just a decent latch on the door that locks when you pull the door closed with the string when you see the cat is in the cage. |
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On Thursday, 9 November 2017 09:20:04 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Completely trivial to tie off the string and go and latch the door. trivial yes, but by the time I'm there to do it the cat will be gone. Only Rod can fail to grasp this. |
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On 08/11/17 19:26, GB wrote:
BTW, does Tabbypurr = TNP? Don't be more stupid than you have to be. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as foolish, and by the rulers as useful. (Seneca the Younger, 65 AD) |
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On 08/11/2017 19:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/17 19:26, GB wrote: BTW, does Tabbypurr = TNP? Don't be more stupid than you have to be. Surely, I'm exactly as stupid as I am? Neither more, nor less, is possible. |
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On 09/11/17 10:36, GB wrote:
On 08/11/2017 19:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 08/11/17 19:26, GB wrote: BTW, does Tabbypurr = TNP? Don't be more stupid than you have to be. Surely, I'm exactly as stupid as I am? Neither more, nor less, is possible. There speaks a true Leftist People are born victims and cannot in anyway make their lot in life better. Only a left wing government or the EU can. -- "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics." Josef Stalin |
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GB Wrote in message:
On 08/11/2017 19:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 08/11/17 19:26, GB wrote: BTW, does Tabbypurr = TNP? Don't be more stupid than you have to be. Surely, I'm exactly as stupid as I am? Neither more, nor less, is possible. Don't be a smartarse either ;-) -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Thursday, 9 November 2017 13:51:53 UTC, jim wrote:
GB Wrote in message: On 08/11/2017 19:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 08/11/17 19:26, GB wrote: BTW, does Tabbypurr = TNP? Don't be more stupid than you have to be. Surely, I'm exactly as stupid as I am? Neither more, nor less, is possible. Don't be a smartarse either ;-) Don't be a dumbarse either. |
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writes On 08/11/2017 18:29, wrote: I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters.. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? NT What's wrong with the following? 1. Peg the cage to the ground, so it can't move. 2. Pull the door shut with the string, and then tie the string off, whilst keeping it taut. Any old knot will do. Or screw a cleat to something sturdy and wrap the string round that a few times. You could use a slip knot and take the loop round the door edge and frame. Still not secure but you have doubled your mechanical advantage:-) -- Tim Lamb |
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On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 20:23:13 UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , GB writes On 08/11/2017 18:29, tabbypurr wrote: I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters.. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? NT What's wrong with the following? 1. Peg the cage to the ground, so it can't move. 2. Pull the door shut with the string, and then tie the string off, whilst keeping it taut. Any old knot will do. Or screw a cleat to something sturdy and wrap the string round that a few times. You could use a slip knot and take the loop round the door edge and frame. Still not secure but you have doubled your mechanical advantage:-) not a hope. This one's like a tiger. NT |
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On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:26:38 UTC, GB wrote:
On 08/11/2017 18:29, tabbypurr wrote: I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters.. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? NT What's wrong with the following? 1. Peg the cage to the ground, so it can't move. 2. Pull the door shut with the string, and then tie the string off, whilst keeping it taut. Any old knot will do. Or screw a cleat to something sturdy and wrap the string round that a few times. 3. Stroll outside and latch the cage door. That's never going to work. I'll have to sit near-ish the cage waiting. By the time I've got a knot tied he'll long be gone, he's very strong. The plan is to hold the string and get to the cage as fast as poss to secure it better. It has to be strong enough to hold it for 10 secs or so. BTW, does Tabbypurr = TNP? No. Tabbypurr=NT not TNP. NT |
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wrote in message ... On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:26:38 UTC, GB wrote: On 08/11/2017 18:29, tabbypurr wrote: I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters.. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? NT What's wrong with the following? 1. Peg the cage to the ground, so it can't move. 2. Pull the door shut with the string, and then tie the string off, whilst keeping it taut. Any old knot will do. Or screw a cleat to something sturdy and wrap the string round that a few times. 3. Stroll outside and latch the cage door. That's never going to work. Corse it will. I'll have to sit near-ish the cage waiting. Yes. By the time I've got a knot tied he'll long be gone, he's very strong. Not of you have say a turn around a round thing and pull the door closed by pulling on the free end after the turn. You can then do another turn after the door is closed, with the pressure on the line keeping the door closed, and then a couple of half hitches of the free end over the taught line. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...lf_hitches.png Yachtys do that all the time with a lot more force on the line than any cat can do on the door. The plan is to hold the string and get to the cage as fast as poss to secure it better. Trivial to do with the string tied off where you yanked the door closed. It has to be strong enough to hold it for 10 secs or so. It will hold it till the string rots. |
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BTW, does Tabbypurr = TNP? Nope, the language and style is completely different and the cat's roar does very few typos compared with the turnip. |
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On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:29:02 UTC, wrote:
I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? NT Make a sliding noose which includes the door open edge and the adjacent frame, so that when the free end is pulled, the door shuts. Then lead the free end up and over a pulley or wheel above the cage (this pulley or wheel could be mounted on a temporary structure, such as a step-ladder), wait for the cat to enter the cage, then pull the free end until the cage is lifted in the air, where the weight of the cage and contents will keep the noose tight and the door shut. |
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On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:29:02 UTC, wrote:
I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? I assume the cage is rectangular, and the door hinges at the side or top. Make a stout loop of rope which will just go, not tightly, round the closed cage, horizontally. Put it round the empty cage; at the back corners, tie it to the top of the cage with medium string; at the front, put it over the open door. Put a kipper in the cage, leave the door open holding up the rope. When the cat enters, pull the door closed; the rope will slip down and hold it shut. You could automate this by tying a string to the kipper and running it via a pseudo-pulley at the back of the cage to the door. Cat runs in, grabs the kipper, turns round to run out, slams door in its own face, rope slips down. -- SL |
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Martin Brown wrote:
You will only get one chance since the cat won't be stupid enough to enter the cage a second time if you fail. A caged feral cat is going to be quite ****ed-off, will there be video? |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Martin Brown wrote: You will only get one chance since the cat won't be stupid enough to enter the cage a second time if you fail. A caged feral cat is going to be quite ****ed-off, will there be video? Nope, the feral cat will kill the purring one and torch the video. |
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On 09/11/2017 09:14, Andy Burns wrote:
Martin Brown wrote: You will only get one chance since the cat won't be stupid enough to enter the cage a second time if you fail. A caged feral cat is going to be quite ****ed-off, will there be video? Yes. I expect it will bounce off the walls quite nicely. I hope he has a vets tranquilliser dart gun. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Thursday, 9 November 2017 08:56:50 UTC, Martin Brown wrote:
On 08/11/2017 18:29, tabbypurr wrote: I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? You need to arrange that as the door closes something else locks it - a piece of bent garden wire or length of metal would be my choice. I think something is missed there. For the cat to enter, people need to stay a fair distance away. That means the string would have to hold against a strong and very frightened semiferal cat, despite being pulled from a long way away. I don't see that working. You will only get one chance since the cat won't be stupid enough to enter the cage a second time if you fail. of course. NT |
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wrote Martin Brown wrote tabbypurr wrote I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? You need to arrange that as the door closes something else locks it - a piece of bent garden wire or length of metal would be my choice. I think something is missed there. By you, yep. For the cat to enter, people need to stay a fair distance away. Yep. That means the string would have to hold against a strong and very frightened semiferal cat, Nope, not if there is a proper latch on the cage door that only needs minimal force from the string to see the door latched. Then the string is irrelevant after that. Even without a latch, a decent length of cord will hold the door closed fine if tied off where the person sits and pulls the door closed, while that person goes to the cage once the cat is in the cage to secure the door at the cage. But more skill required by the person, but not much. despite being pulled from a long way away. Doesnt matter how far away it is within reason. I don't see that working. It will anyway. Just borrow a cage from the RSPCA, they clearly do work. |
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On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:29:02 UTC, tabby wrote:
I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? NT Good news: 2 cage-traps are now in place, and hopefully a 3rd will be tomorrow. Thanks for all the ideas, this time it didn't end up diyed, which is unusual. Was able to find a farm supplier in the area. NT |
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:58:58 +0000, GB
wrote: I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. I NT Good news: 2 cage-traps are now in place, and hopefully a 3rd will be tomorrow. Thanks for all the ideas, this time it didn't end up diyed, which is unusual. Was able to find a farm supplier in the area. Do please tell us what you catch. As in animal or medical? With feral cats propensity to double in length when attempts are made to handle them a good set of leathers and face protection may be needed but I expect that is telling Tabby Purr to suck eggs. At least in the UK a bite will probably not bring the risk of Rabies with it. G.Harman |
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On Friday, 10 November 2017 11:25:45 UTC, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:58:58 +0000, GB wrote: I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. I NT Good news: 2 cage-traps are now in place, and hopefully a 3rd will be tomorrow. Thanks for all the ideas, this time it didn't end up diyed, which is unusual. Was able to find a farm supplier in the area. Do please tell us what you catch. As in animal or medical? With feral cats propensity to double in length when attempts are made to handle them a good set of leathers and face protection may be needed but I expect that is telling Tabby Purr to suck eggs. At least in the UK a bite will probably not bring the risk of Rabies with it. G.Harman I've worked with ferals before - he's only semi feral. I've had him purring in my lap before now, but he won't come too near me as he knows I want to capture him. NT |
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On Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:22:34 UTC, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:29:02 UTC, tabby wrote: I need to capture a half-feral cat with a serious medical problem. I have a large wire cage that's not designed to be used as a trap. If I tie string/rope to the open door, pass it through the wire cage and run it along the ground, it would be possible to wait and pull the string once the cat enters. This won't work unless the door closes and at the same time a knot ties it shut. The knot needn't hold long, 10 seconds against a large strong cat should do the job. Question is, what knot should I use? Good news: 2 cage-traps are now in place, and hopefully a 3rd will be tomorrow. Thanks for all the ideas, this time it didn't end up diyed, which is unusual. Was able to find a farm supplier in the area. More good news: he's been captured. He's doing fine, and is currently sleeping after a major eatfest. NT |
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On Friday, 10 November 2017 22:58:15 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 14:25:03 -0800 (PST), tabbypurr wrote: More good news: he's been captured. He's doing fine, and is currently sleeping after a major eatfest. Whilst I don't like to see any animal suffering (I even let / usher wasps out of the house), about the only animal that I have never owned that has caused me the most damage / mess / clearup is the (other peoples?) cat. Two have slashed the wallpaper in the downstairs toilet after climbing in the window and falling into the toilet itself and the number of times I've trodden in their sh1te in my *private / enclosed* back garden and worse on my vegetable patch ... plus the damage done to (covered) motorcycle saddles and scratches on the roofs of the cars. Glad you took another one off the streets ... if only it would stay off the streets ... ;-( Cheers, T i m Yes, they're so much better behaved than human kids. He will stay indoors, he just doesn't look after himself outside. He's unusually nutty. NT |
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T i m wrote: Whilst I don't like to see any animal suffering (I even let / usher wasps out of the house), I just catch them in my hand to put them out. I wouldn't bother but SO is a bit worried about them. about the only animal that I have never owned that has caused me the most damage / mess / clearup is the (other peoples?) cat. One doesn't own a cat. We have one that has adopted us - he's supposed to live next door but apparently our house is better, although he's a strange grumpy beast. |
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On 11/11/2017 18:22, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:58:15 +0000 T i m wrote: Reminds me of my father-in-law many years back he had a 6 week old kitten hiding under his shed...So he got a dustbin lid propped up with a stick and tied a length of rope, then placed a saucer of milk underneath. Kitten goes under FiL pulls the string and traps it. He then put his hand under the lid to catch it, the kitten ripped it to shreds as well has sinking its teeth in while he tried to shake it off, kitten then fekced off! FiL left a trail of blood from back garden to the kitchen sink, and cursing like a trooper. Big game hunter indeed, I couldnt stop laughing. |
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:22:14 +0000, Rob Morley
wrote: On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:58:15 +0000 T i m wrote: Whilst I don't like to see any animal suffering (I even let / usher wasps out of the house), I just catch them in my hand to put them out. Oh ... and never been stung Rob? I wouldn't bother but SO is a bit worried about them. As is our daughter (who generally cares for all 'living things') but since 'granny' assured her that 'wasps won't sting you if you keep still' ... and she did and one did, she kills any that get in her way. about the only animal that I have never owned that has caused me the most damage / mess / clearup is the (other peoples?) cat. One doesn't own a cat. According to the law (as least) you do ... (sometimes) ... especially if I deprive someone of it etc. ;-( We have one that has adopted us - he's supposed to live next door but apparently our house is better, although he's a strange grumpy beast. Aren't they all? weg Daughter rescued a couple of rabbits a couple of years ago and then a third fairly recently. One of the original two died (over 10 years old we estimated) so she replaced it with another, rescued by the RSPCA from a 'bad' pet shop. After a very slow / gentle introduction (following all the std advice), all was looking good between them all till one morning she found the new (and fairly large) rabbit with a bit ripped out of the end of it's ear (probably by the smallest one of the group). We took it to the vets tonight, not only to check the wound but to check the process she was using re the introduction and all was well. Apparently these nice gentle wabbits can be pretty violent, sometimes fighting to the death! ;-( It when you see how far they can throw something, or what they can lift or bite though do you realise how gentle they are generally being with us! .... Unlike cats, that will scratch or bite you, even when you are being nice to them. ;-( Cheers, T i m |
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