I've always been more than dubious about the puncture repair gunge which
you can use and is increasingly supplied with new cars. In the past,
I've always invested in a proper spare wheel or at least a 'space saver'
one.

However, my views are based on discussions I had with someone in the
tyre business some time back (decades) who said he wouldn't repair a
tyre which had been 'repaired' with gunge as it was all but impossible
to ensure the gunge could be removed so a proper repair could be made.
(I appreciate the gunge is no more than a temporary repair).

However, with the passage of time, have things changed? Do people find
that they must replace a tyre which they have used 'gunge' on (assuming
the damage would normally be repairable).

My question is more than academic- I collect a new car at the weekend
and not only does it lack a spare wheel, there isn't space for one (the
space is occupied by electric motors to drive the rear wheels).

On 25/10/2017 18:51, Tim+ wrote:
Tim+ wrote:
Brian Reay wrote:

I've always been more than dubious about the puncture repair gunge which
you can use and is increasingly supplied with new cars. In the past,
I've always invested in a proper spare wheel or at least a 'space saver'
one.

However, my views are based on discussions I had with someone in the
tyre business some time back (decades) who said he wouldn't repair a
tyre which had been 'repaired' with gunge as it was all but impossible
to ensure the gunge could be removed so a proper repair could be made.
(I appreciate the gunge is no more than a temporary repair).

However, with the passage of time, have things changed? Do people find
that they must replace a tyre which they have used 'gunge' on (assuming
the damage would normally be repairable).

My question is more than academic- I collect a new car at the weekend
and not only does it lack a spare wheel, there isn't space for one (the
space is occupied by electric motors to drive the rear wheels).



Ive no proof but I suspect that the €œimpossible to repair€� story is a
cover for €œcant be arsed cleaning the stuff out€�.

Now it may well be that it does take more time/effort and in some cases be
not cost-effective but I cant see why it should preclude a patch being
vulcanised onto the tyre interior.

Anyone had a gunged tyre repaired?

Tim


From https://www.holtsauto.com/holts/news/ive-used-tyreweld/

€œUsing Tyreweld doesnt prevent your tyre being fixed.€�


And from
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/pa...2011-08/slime/

€œSlime Tyre Sealant, an environmentally friendly, non-toxic, non-hazardous,
water-based sealant which
contains shredded, re-cycled tyres and, in conjunction with a portable air
compressor, can be used for
semi-permanent repair of punctures up to 6mm. The sealant remains liquid in
the tyre and is safe for use at normal driving speeds. It can also be
cleaned out of the tyre so that it can be professionally repaired.€�

Tim


Thank you Tim.

I've read similar material from gunge sellers/makers, I was hoping to
get some 'real world' experience.

I've ordered an 'after market' space saver wheel, the boot area isn't
exactly small so we can tolerate the loss of space, but I was more
curious than anything.

On 25/10/2017 22:57, Brian Reay wrote:
On 25/10/2017 22:18, Steve Walker wrote:
On 25/10/2017 18:45, Tim+ wrote:
Brian Reay wrote:

I've always been more than dubious about the puncture repair gunge
which
you can use and is increasingly supplied with new cars. In the past,
I've always invested in a proper spare wheel or at least a 'space
saver'
one.

However, my views are based on discussions I had with someone in the
tyre business some time back (decades) who said he wouldn't repair a
tyre which had been 'repaired' with gunge as it was all but impossible
to ensure the gunge could be removed so a proper repair could be made.
(I appreciate the gunge is no more than a temporary repair).

However, with the passage of time, have things changed? Do people find
that they must replace a tyre which they have used 'gunge' on (assuming
the damage would normally be repairable).

My question is more than academic- I collect a new car at the weekend
and not only does it lack a spare wheel, there isn't space for one (the
space is occupied by electric motors to drive the rear wheels).



Ive no proof but I suspect that the €œimpossible to repair€� story is a
cover for €œcant be arsed cleaning the stuff out€�.

Now it may well be that it does take more time/effort and in some
cases be
not cost-effective but I cant see why it should preclude a patch being
vulcanised onto the tyre interior.

Anyone had a gunged tyre repaired?

Everywhere seems to not want to repair a "gunged" tyre, despite all(?)
the modern gunges being water based and easily washed out.


That was rather what I suspected.

We've had a couple of new cars with 'repair kits' but I've always bought
a spare wheel. This is the first time I was half tempted not to but
common sense prevailed ;-) With luck I may never need to use it.

I understand the breakdown services carry 'universal' spare wheels- I
assume they cover 'common' stud patterns and sizes rather than being
truly universal, and you have to return them (perhaps some deposit
scheme?).Â* However, the idea of waiting for an hour to learn the
universal wheel doesn't fit or has already been used doesn't appeal.

My recent experience was rather worse. we went to the West coast of
Ireland for a funeral and hired a car at Belfast airport. We attended
the funeral service on Saturday morning, the burial and then a meal in a
hotel some miles away. At about 16:30, we decided to nip back to the
cemetary for a last quick visit, but we suffered a damaged tyre on the
way there.

I managed to get off the road, but we were stranded in the countryside,
miles from anywhere, with a hole in the tyre that the gunge couldn't
possibly seal.

By the time a tow company had got to us, recovered the car and dropped
us back at our accomodation it was 20:30.

We were then stranded again in the countryside (the house is one we
often hire for holidays and is in the middle of nowhere), with no food in.

Next morning, we were completely unable to get a taxi to the garage, as
they were all booked up for taking people to and from Mass. Luckily the
tow company agreed to take us to the garage.

We got there just in time to set off for the airport again.

Having no spare cost us all of Saturday evening, all of Sunday morning,
the chance of visiting the cemetary and around £200 made up of fees and
the extra costs of the overpriced tyre that I could have got far cheaper
myself at the local garage the next morning. It also meant a whole lot
of stress wondering would we get to the car and get away in time to
catch the plane.

We could have been on our way again in 10 minutes and lost just an hour
in the morning getting the tyre replaced, if there had been even a
space-saver. We would have also saved all of that money.

SteveW

I've ordered an 'after market' space saver wheel, the boot area isn't
exactly small so we can tolerate the loss of space, but I was more curious
than anything.




hope you have it tied down and not just sitting in the trunk ......
............

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news

I've always been more than dubious about the puncture repair gunge which
you can use and is increasingly supplied with new cars. In the past, I've
always invested in a proper spare wheel or at least a 'space saver' one.

However, my views are based on discussions I had with someone in the tyre
business some time back (decades) who said he wouldn't repair a tyre which
had been 'repaired' with gunge as it was all but impossible to ensure the
gunge could be removed so a proper repair could be made. (I appreciate the
gunge is no more than a temporary repair).

However, with the passage of time, have things changed? Do people find
that they must replace a tyre which they have used 'gunge' on (assuming
the damage would normally be repairable).

My question is more than academic- I collect a new car at the weekend and
not only does it lack a spare wheel, there isn't space for one (the space
is occupied by electric motors to drive the rear wheels).


there is no limit to what people will spend to try and save money ........

On 26/10/2017 06:11, Steve Walker wrote:
On 25/10/2017 22:57, Brian Reay wrote:
On 25/10/2017 22:18, Steve Walker wrote:
On 25/10/2017 18:45, Tim+ wrote:
Brian Reay wrote:

I've always been more than dubious about the puncture repair gunge
which
you can use and is increasingly supplied with new cars. In the past,
I've always invested in a proper spare wheel or at least a 'space
saver'
one.

However, my views are based on discussions I had with someone in the
tyre business some time back (decades) who said he wouldn't repair a
tyre which had been 'repaired' with gunge as it was all but impossible
to ensure the gunge could be removed so a proper repair could be made.
(I appreciate the gunge is no more than a temporary repair).

However, with the passage of time, have things changed? Do people find
that they must replace a tyre which they have used 'gunge' on
(assuming
the damage would normally be repairable).

My question is more than academic- I collect a new car at the weekend
and not only does it lack a spare wheel, there isn't space for one
(the
space is occupied by electric motors to drive the rear wheels).



Ive no proof but I suspect that the €œimpossible to repair€� story is a
cover for €œcant be arsed cleaning the stuff out€�.

Now it may well be that it does take more time/effort and in some
cases be
not cost-effective but I cant see why it should preclude a patch being
vulcanised onto the tyre interior.

Anyone had a gunged tyre repaired?

Everywhere seems to not want to repair a "gunged" tyre, despite
all(?) the modern gunges being water based and easily washed out.


That was rather what I suspected.

We've had a couple of new cars with 'repair kits' but I've always
bought a spare wheel. This is the first time I was half tempted not to
but common sense prevailed ;-) With luck I may never need to use it.

I understand the breakdown services carry 'universal' spare wheels- I
assume they cover 'common' stud patterns and sizes rather than being
truly universal, and you have to return them (perhaps some deposit
scheme?).Â* However, the idea of waiting for an hour to learn the
universal wheel doesn't fit or has already been used doesn't appeal.

My recent experience was rather worse. we went to the West coast of
Ireland for a funeral and hired a car at Belfast airport. We attended
the funeral service on Saturday morning, the burial and then a meal in a
hotel some miles away. At about 16:30, we decided to nip back to the
cemetary for a last quick visit, but we suffered a damaged tyre on the
way there.

I managed to get off the road, but we were stranded in the countryside,
miles from anywhere, with a hole in the tyre that the gunge couldn't
possibly seal.

By the time a tow company had got to us, recovered the car and dropped
us back at our accomodation it was 20:30.

We were then stranded again in the countryside (the house is one we
often hire for holidays and is in the middle of nowhere), with no food in.

Next morning, we were completely unable to get a taxi to the garage, as
they were all booked up for taking people to and from Mass. Luckily the
tow company agreed to take us to the garage.

We got there just in time to set off for the airport again.

Having no spare cost us all of Saturday evening, all of Sunday morning,
the chance of visiting the cemetary and around £200 made up of fees and
the extra costs of the overpriced tyre that I could have got far cheaper
myself at the local garage the next morning. It also meant a whole lot
of stress wondering would we get to the car and get away in time to
catch the plane.

We could have been on our way again in 10 minutes and lost just an hour
in the morning getting the tyre replaced, if there had been even a
space-saver. We would have also saved all of that money.

SteveW


Indeed, just the kind of 'saga' you don't need and a spare would have
mitigated.

The problem is, more and more new cars have even space-saver wheels, let
alone 'proper' spares. This is the second car we've bought in the last
couple of years which came with a gunge kit as standard. Even as far
back as 2008 my wife's new run about came with a gunge kit, although I
got the dealer to supply a spare + jack as part of the deal.


I recall back in the 1960s when 'tubeless' tyres were coming into vogue
you could get a kit to repair punctures. As I recall, there was a file
thing, a tool to insert a plug, pack of plugs (rubber rods with a groove
a one end), and a pot of glue.

Looking on the internet, there seems to be various modern equivalents
but I'm not sure how legal/safe they are. I thought the rules required
repairs have a patch on the inside ("plug and patch"). Of course, they
could be intended as a temporary repair.


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On 26/10/17 08:26, Brian Reay wrote:
Looking on the internet, there seems to be various modern equivalents
but I'm not sure how legal/safe they are. I thought the rules required
repairs have a patch on the inside ("plug and patch"). Of course, they
could be intended as a temporary repair.


Some puncures can be repoairded that way. A nail through the tread for
example, but a cut sidewall? Nope.


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Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people
by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason they are
poor.

Peter Thompson

On 26/10/2017 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/10/17 08:26, Brian Reay wrote:
Looking on the internet, there seems to be various modern equivalents
but I'm not sure how legal/safe they are. I thought the rules required
repairs have a patch on the inside ("plug and patch"). Of course, they
could be intended as a temporary repair.


Some puncures can be repoairded that way. A nail through the tread for
example, but a cut sidewall? Nope.



Side walls can't be repaired.

Depending on where the puncture is, a 'simple' plug and patch can be
used or a more complex one, if the damage is towards the side of the
tread. The latter isn't normally offered (too difficult/requires special
kit).

The plugs diy kits I'm referring to are something quite different- just
a plug without a patch on the inside. I'm not sure how legal/safe they are.

--

Suspect someone is claiming a benefit under false pretences? Incapacity
Benefit or Personal Independence Payment when they don't need it? They
are depriving those in real need!

https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud

On 25/10/2017 18:45, Tim+ wrote:
Brian Reay wrote:

I've always been more than dubious about the puncture repair gunge which
you can use and is increasingly supplied with new cars. In the past,
I've always invested in a proper spare wheel or at least a 'space saver'
one.

However, my views are based on discussions I had with someone in the
tyre business some time back (decades) who said he wouldn't repair a
tyre which had been 'repaired' with gunge as it was all but impossible
to ensure the gunge could be removed so a proper repair could be made.
(I appreciate the gunge is no more than a temporary repair).

However, with the passage of time, have things changed? Do people find
that they must replace a tyre which they have used 'gunge' on (assuming
the damage would normally be repairable).

My question is more than academic- I collect a new car at the weekend
and not only does it lack a spare wheel, there isn't space for one (the
space is occupied by electric motors to drive the rear wheels).



Ive no proof but I suspect that the €œimpossible to repair€� story is a
cover for €œcant be arsed cleaning the stuff out€�.

Now it may well be that it does take more time/effort and in some cases be
not cost-effective but I cant see why it should preclude a patch being
vulcanised onto the tyre interior.

Anyone had a gunged tyre repaired?

Tim

Had a puncture on a tubeless tyre on the Peugeot a few months ago. In
the middle of nowhere, and wasn't about to start grovelling about the
change the tyre - so squirted in a can of the 'fixit foam'.
Reinflated fine, and held pressure all the way to the tyre place - 20km
or so.
Expected to be in line for a new tyre, but the fitter just removed the
roofing screw that had caused the problem, and fitted a rubber plug from
outside the tyre. He said it'd be fine, and, so far, he's right. ‚¬10
well spent!
Adrian

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
news
On 25/10/2017 22:18, Steve Walker wrote:
On 25/10/2017 18:45, Tim+ wrote:
Brian Reay wrote:

I've always been more than dubious about the puncture repair gunge
which
you can use and is increasingly supplied with new cars. In the past,
I've always invested in a proper spare wheel or at least a 'space
saver'
one.

However, my views are based on discussions I had with someone in the
tyre business some time back (decades) who said he wouldn't repair a
tyre which had been 'repaired' with gunge as it was all but impossible
to ensure the gunge could be removed so a proper repair could be made.
(I appreciate the gunge is no more than a temporary repair).

However, with the passage of time, have things changed? Do people find
that they must replace a tyre which they have used 'gunge' on (assuming
the damage would normally be repairable).

My question is more than academic- I collect a new car at the weekend
and not only does it lack a spare wheel, there isn't space for one (the
space is occupied by electric motors to drive the rear wheels).



Ive no proof but I suspect that the €œimpossible to repair€� story is a
cover for €œcant be arsed cleaning the stuff out€�.

Now it may well be that it does take more time/effort and in some cases
be
not cost-effective but I cant see why it should preclude a patch being
vulcanised onto the tyre interior.

Anyone had a gunged tyre repaired?

Everywhere seems to not want to repair a "gunged" tyre, despite all(?)
the modern gunges being water based and easily washed out.


That was rather what I suspected.

We've had a couple of new cars with 'repair kits' but I've always bought a
spare wheel. This is the first time I was half tempted not to but common
sense prevailed ;-) With luck I may never need to use it.

I understand the breakdown services carry 'universal' spare wheels- I
assume they cover 'common' stud patterns and sizes rather than being truly
universal, and you have to return them (perhaps some deposit scheme?).
However, the idea of waiting for an hour to learn the universal wheel
doesn't fit or has already been used doesn't appeal.

But it wouldnt be hard to make sure the car you are buying can use them.

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 18:34:45 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:


I've always been more than dubious about the puncture repair gunge which
you can use and is increasingly supplied with new cars. In the past,
I've always invested in a proper spare wheel or at least a 'space saver'
one.

I've not seen what the tyre repair 'gunge' is that is supplied with
new cars so can't comment on it.

However, my views are based on discussions I had with someone in the
tyre business some time back (decades)

And a vested interest in selling new tyres or puncture repairs?

who said he wouldn't repair a
tyre which had been 'repaired' with gunge as it was all but impossible
to ensure the gunge could be removed so a proper repair could be made.

Depending on the gunge? What I use is water soluble so can be washed
out with a garden hose (after 8 years was the longest so far). So,
assuming you still waned to make another reason then their is no
reason why you couldn't.

(I appreciate the gunge is no more than a temporary repair).

Depending on the gunge.

However, with the passage of time, have things changed?

Depending over what time period. I've been using a 'gunge' for quite
a few years now (~20).

Do people find
that they must replace a tyre which they have used 'gunge' on (assuming
the damage would normally be repairable).

Nope ... because I've never had the gunge fail requiring any further
treatment.

My question is more than academic- I collect a new car at the weekend
and not only does it lack a spare wheel, there isn't space for one (the
space is occupied by electric motors to drive the rear wheels).

Punctureseal. We have it in all our road going vehicles (cars, vans,
motorbikes and trailers) and the lighter stuff in our cycles.

It is designed to be used as a preventative treatment but we have also
used it retrospectively (cars and motorbikes) with 100% positive
results.

The last being the front tyre on our car with a screw in it. Took the
weight off the wheel, removed the valve core (tool provided with the
kit), injected the right quantity for that size tyre, replaced the
valve core, re-inflated to the right pressure, span the wheel a few
times by hand, dropped the car back on the road, drove around for
about 20 mins and that was it (2 years ago).

No connection other than a very happy and long term customer. ;-)

http://www.punctureseal.com/

It's the same sort of solution as provided by Continental.

https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/...main/contiseal

Cheers, T i m

not only willit bugger the tyre up it will gum up the valve in your fancy
TPMS sender .......

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:14:53 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:


not only willit bugger the tyre up it will gum up the valve in your fancy
TPMS sender .......

With the sort that 'fill' your tyre with a latex foam you are probably
right. With the type that line your tyre with a gel that seal
punctures as they occur, no (as they are nowhere near the TPMS).

Cheers, T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:14:53 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:


not only willit bugger the tyre up it will gum up the valve in your fancy
TPMS sender .......

With the sort that 'fill' your tyre with a latex foam you are probably
right. With the type that line your tyre with a gel that seal
punctures as they occur, no (as they are nowhere near the TPMS).

Cheers, T i m

yes slime in my pushbike tubes ment couldn't inflate after a while
........bad move

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 22:02:30 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:14:53 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:


not only willit bugger the tyre up it will gum up the valve in your fancy
TPMS sender .......

With the sort that 'fill' your tyre with a latex foam you are probably
right. With the type that line your tyre with a gel that seal
punctures as they occur, no (as they are nowhere near the TPMS).


yes slime in my pushbike tubes ment couldn't inflate after a while
.......bad move

But that is a different thing again to both the latex foam and the
likes of Punctureseal in a road vehicle.

I believe the cycle slime stays fairly liquid and so could fall into
the valve. The expanding latex foam is the same.

Punctureseal (and the gel type puncture prevention solutions) are
dispersed to the inside of the tread area and they stay there, so
never going anywhere near the valve.

When I install it I generally set the valve to the 6 o'clock position
so that it falls away from the back of the valve and straight into the
tyre.

Never had any issues checking or re-inflating the tyres in the many
years I've been using it.

That said, I can't say I've ever had any problem with the Schrader
valves we have on all our solo cycles, the tandem and trailer and
don't have anything with Presta valve ... but could see how that might
be easier to block and difficult to clear.

Cheers, T i m

"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2017-10-26, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

not only willit bugger the tyre up

Wrong.

TPMS valves cost a fortune ......