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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


These were newly refurbished flats. With, I'd guess, enough sockets for
the normal kitchen stuff - and in the right place.


Other than new windows and possibly new heating, was anything else done
inside the individual flats?


I thought they'd had new kitchens and bathrooms as part of that
refurbishemnt. At 100 grand per unit, I'd hope so.

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On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 07:41:08 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

These were newly refurbished flats. With, I'd guess, enough

sockets for
the normal kitchen stuff - and in the right place.


Other than new windows and possibly new heating, was anything else done
inside the individual flats?


Donno, not seen mention of any great changes inside other than recent
comments here. But are those figures of 70 to 100k/unit just the
total cost divided by number of units? That isn't the same as how
much was spent refurbing the inside of each flat.

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On Friday, 23 June 2017 19:21:28 UTC+1, ss wrote:
Not being electrically savvy but should the `trip` switch on the mains
meter not have clicked in and cut the current off to prevent a fir starting.


There are a number of electrical faults causing fridge fires, the nature of which has changed over time - with high volumes of units sold there will always be failures. Years ago was electromechanical starter switches but since have had issues with PTC's (solid state starter), defrost timers and recently capacitors.

There's no guarantee an rcd would help (at least not 100% of the time) The problem with European designs - as London Fire Brigade (see their website for videos) have been saying for a number of years (backed by research) is that the European standards don't do (or didn't until this year) address the escalation of the fire - the switch from metal to plastic drip trays is one issue as is the use of twin wall polypropylene backs and pentane blown insulation. The refrigerant generally doesn't cause explosions (although it can) as it only gets released once the appliance is fully alight.

In the US design standards (UL 250) are influenced more by insurers (i.e underwriters limited) - the stats would seem to suggest that US fridges are safer. i.e. Components likely to fail are separated from easily ignitable materials

See:

https://www.ior.org.uk/app/images/do...n%20final..pdf
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