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Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote: Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm. -- *Red meat is not bad for you. Fuzzy green meat is bad for you. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Harry Bloomfield wrote: Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm. It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to Brexit. McDonnell knows it. |
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bm presented the following explanation :
It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to Brexit. McDonnell knows it. When ??? Seems very unlikely to me.. |
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On 02/05/2017 15:39, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
bm presented the following explanation : It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to Brexit. McDonnell knows it. When ??? Seems very unlikely to me.. If somehow Labour can hint at an exit Brexit option they may well have a chance at the election. -- Cheers, Rob |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news bm presented the following explanation : It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to Brexit. McDonnell knows it. When ??? Seems very unlikely to me.. McDonnell is certain that they'll win. At PMQ's last week, whilst admiring his leader, he was shouting "bring it on, bring it on". Incidentally, i'm taking the ****. |
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On Tue, 02 May 2017 14:05:30 +0100, bm wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Harry Bloomfield wrote: Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm. It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to Brexit. McDonnell knows it. McDonnell would take the UK back to the 1970s. Strikes, RedRobbo (remember him?) etc. He'd probably support the return of the IRA too, & introduce Mao's Little Red Book into schools. Lovely! |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. They were called suicide brackets years ago I pointed a 3story flank wall off them when I still had a disregard for H+S and no fear of heights - |
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Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. Polish? Seen French troughing fitters work off similar lashed up nonsenses. -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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jim expressed precisely :
Polish? Quite possibly, I wasn't able to read the signage on the van, due to the angle. Seen French troughing fitters work off similar lashed up nonsenses. |
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On 02/05/2017 16:58, Martin Barclay wrote:
On Tue, 02 May 2017 14:05:30 +0100, bm wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm. It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to Brexit. McDonnell knows it. McDonnell would take the UK back to the 1970s. Strikes, RedRobbo (remember him?) etc. He'd probably support the return of the IRA too, & introduce Mao's Little Red Book into schools. Lovely! like we don't have strikes now !!! |
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On 02/05/2017 13:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Harry Bloomfield wrote: Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm. Its one of the few freedoms they really hope for, the ability to kill others without breaking the silly EU rules. Shame that the EU doesn't make the rules. Its more down to insurance companies these days. |
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On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. Andy |
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Vir Campestris wrote: On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote: like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign owners tend to value their workforce rather more. -- *I know a guy who's addicted to brake fluid. He says he can stop any time.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 02/05/2017 17:07, Mark wrote:
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. They were called suicide brackets years ago aka a "Ladder Cripple" (you can still get posh versions that have added guard rails etc) http://www.ladderstore.com/high-leve...m-5-metre.html I pointed a 3story flank wall off them when I still had a disregard for H+S and no fear of heights -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 2:44:48 AM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 02/05/2017 17:07, Mark wrote: "Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. They were called suicide brackets years ago aka a "Ladder Cripple" (you can still get posh versions that have added guard rails etc) http://www.ladderstore.com/high-leve...m-5-metre.html Blimey, £700 and ladders and stabilisers (and toe board) not included?! I like the comment in the review "Don't forget to charge your customers as if you had hired it and then you will be well in profit." I'll remember that next time I get an estimate for work done on my house, I'll want to see the price for hiring of staging, etc.! On a similar subject, I spent a couple of hours last weekend perched on the very top step of an aluminium ladder with a long handled brush in one hand and a hose in the other, cleaning the mossy crud off the top of a caravan. T'was a bit wobbly... |
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Halmyre presented the following explanation :
On a similar subject, I spent a couple of hours last weekend perched on the very top step of an aluminium ladder with a long handled brush in one hand and a hose in the other, cleaning the mossy crud off the top of a caravan. T'was a bit wobbly... I park the caravan tight up to the garage and work from it's flat roof. Then for the far out of reach bits, I put board over the caravan's roof. |
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Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
jim expressed precisely : Polish? Quite possibly, I wasn't able to read the signage on the van, due to the angle. :-) I doubt that would have been in Polish. -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message: jim expressed precisely : Polish? Quite possibly, I wasn't able to read the signage on the van, due to the angle. :-) I doubt that would have been in Polish. I doubt the longevity of the work too, they did the entire wall in two days and I saw no attempt to cut out the old mortar :-) |
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Maybe they are ex Circus performers?
Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. |
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On Tuesday, 2 May 2017 11:13:21 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. Pole I'spect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkvhtgk8T8 |
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John Rumm expressed precisely :
aka a "Ladder Cripple" (you can still get posh versions that have added guard rails etc) http://www.ladderstore.com/high-leve...m-5-metre.html That, but with just the brackets and board, no kick boards, no safety rail. There was also no stabilisers on the ladders, because there was no space between the wall and a garage to use them. |
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On 03/05/2017 00:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Vir Campestris wrote: On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote: like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign owners tend to value their workforce rather more. Tell that to the ex-Rowntree and/or cadbury workers who have seen the products they used to make in the UK, have production moved to Poland and other places. |
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"Andrew" wrote in message news
On 03/05/2017 00:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Vir Campestris wrote: On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote: like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign owners tend to value their workforce rather more. Tell that to the ex-Rowntree and/or cadbury workers who have seen the products they used to make in the UK, have production moved to Poland and other places. Don't worry, Dave will blame the previous owners for selling. |
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On 02/05/2017 21:10, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote: like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. Andy I was in them |
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RJH writes: On 02/05/2017 15:39, Harry Bloomfield wrote: bm presented the following explanation : It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to Brexit. McDonnell knows it. When ??? Seems very unlikely to me.. If somehow Labour can hint at an exit Brexit option they may well have a chance at the election. Labour can't win either way on brexit/remain from a numbers perspective. Their traditional voters are split 1/3rd brexit, 2/3rds remain. However, the brexit 1/3rd were more heavily on the left, where the party has decided to concentrate its direction, at the cost of losing its more centre voters. If it were to move to a remain position, it would lose both its left and centre voters. (It's already thought it's lost a significant part of its left to Conservatives, purely because they don't think Labour is brexit enough, and they feel more strongly about brexit than they do about Labour/socialism.) This shows the difference in position between the Labour Party members, and the traditional Labour voters. Conserveratives have exactly the same issue in mirror image. However, Conservative remainers are much less likely to vote non-Conservative than Labour brexiters are likey to vote non-Labour. Conservatives will almost certainly lose some seats to LibDems, but nowhere near as many as they stand to gain from Labour (bearing in mind they'll probably get all 5M UKIP votes too). If Labour were nearer the centre (e.g. New Labour), then a Labour remain stance would work from a figures perspective, because it would match the views of a much larger number of traditional Labour voters, and they could steal the Conservative remainers, and probably all the LibDem votes too. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Harry Bloomfield writes: jim brought next idea : Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message: jim expressed precisely : Polish? Quite possibly, I wasn't able to read the signage on the van, due to the angle. :-) I doubt that would have been in Polish. I doubt the longevity of the work too, they did the entire wall in two days and I saw no attempt to cut out the old mortar :-) If you didn't see an angle grinder, they might actually have known what they were doing. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message web.com... On 02/05/2017 13:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Harry Bloomfield wrote: Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on. No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them. That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm. Its one of the few freedoms they really hope for, the ability to kill others without breaking the silly EU rules. Shame that the EU doesn't make the rules. Its more down to insurance companies these days. There obviously wasnt any insurance company involved with that lot, stupid. |
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Andrew wrote: On 03/05/2017 00:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Vir Campestris wrote: On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote: like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign owners tend to value their workforce rather more. Tell that to the ex-Rowntree and/or cadbury workers who have seen the products they used to make in the UK, have production moved to Poland and other places. And that is because of a striking workforce? -- *Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Andrew wrote: On 03/05/2017 00:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Vir Campestris wrote: On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote: like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign owners tend to value their workforce rather more. Tell that to the ex-Rowntree and/or cadbury workers who have seen the products they used to make in the UK, have production moved to Poland and other places. And that is because of a striking workforce? LOL |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
... In article , Andrew wrote: On 03/05/2017 00:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Vir Campestris wrote: On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote: like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign owners tend to value their workforce rather more. Tell that to the ex-Rowntree and/or cadbury workers who have seen the products they used to make in the UK, have production moved to Poland and other places. And that is because of a striking workforce? You are not stupid merely a ****, stirring ****. You know that and everyone else knows it. |
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On 03/05/2017 19:47, critcher wrote:
On 02/05/2017 21:10, Vir Campestris wrote: On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote: like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. Andy I was in them In that case you'll recall how industrial relations got so bad that we had rubbish piling up in the streets, soldiers driving fire engines, and the three day week. Compared with that, even bearing in mind the SR thing, we have no real problems. Several sources point to tens of millions of work days being lost to strikes in the 70s, compared to hundreds of thousands now. Andy -- Sources: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...every-year-uk/ https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-years-in-data |
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Vir Campestris wrote: On 03/05/2017 19:47, critcher wrote: On 02/05/2017 21:10, Vir Campestris wrote: On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote: like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. Andy I was in them In that case you'll recall how industrial relations got so bad that we had rubbish piling up in the streets, soldiers driving fire engines, and the three day week. Compared with that, even bearing in mind the SR thing, we have no real problems. Several sources point to tens of millions of work days being lost to strikes in the 70s, compared to hundreds of thousands now. True. You flood the country with immigrants willing to to virtually any job under any conditions. Change from staff jobs to so called self employment. Zero hours contracts, etc. That is the easy way to keep the workforce in their place. -- *I'm not a paranoid, deranged millionaire. Dammit, I'm a billionaire. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 06/05/2017 00:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
True. You flood the country with immigrants willing to to virtually any job under any conditions. Change from staff jobs to so called self employment. Zero hours contracts, etc. That is the easy way to keep the workforce in their place. The employment rules stop that most of the time. Its only the racists that exploit the illegal immigrants that make them work below the legal levels. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message web.com... On 06/05/2017 00:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: True. You flood the country with immigrants willing to to virtually any job under any conditions. Change from staff jobs to so called self employment. Zero hours contracts, etc. That is the easy way to keep the workforce in their place. The employment rules stop that most of the time. Its only the racists that exploit the illegal immigrants that make them work below the legal levels. We arent talking about below legal levels. We are actually talking about doing what you are paid to do. |
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dennis@home wrote: On 06/05/2017 00:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: True. You flood the country with immigrants willing to to virtually any job under any conditions. Change from staff jobs to so called self employment. Zero hours contracts, etc. That is the easy way to keep the workforce in their place. The employment rules stop that most of the time. Employment rules only really apply to the employed. Hence all these self employed doing jobs once done by staff. And the taxman losing out heavily from those now not on PAYE, who would have been in older times. Its only the racists that exploit the illegal immigrants that make them work below the legal levels. Plenty UK born seem to prefer living off benefits than working for a minimum wage. And you don't have to be a racist to exploit workers. Just the average capitalist. ;-) -- *When a man opens a car door for his wife, it's either a new car or a new Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
snip If Labour were nearer the centre (e.g. New Labour), then a Labour remain stance would work from a figures perspective, because it would match the views of a much larger number of traditional Labour voters, and they could steal the Conservative remainers, and probably all the LibDem votes too. OTOH, they would then be Tories. While it would be a great gravy train ticket for Labour MPs it would not do the rest of us any good, as we would then have elected the Tory 'B' team and be in the same position as now, minus a bit of political skill. -- Roger Hayter |
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Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote: like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. Andy The 1970s entailed the Labour Party making the first moves at globalisation and lowering real wages. And then blaming the Trade Union movement for trying to resist this. Rather successfully, it seems, but that does not make it the unions' fault. -- Roger Hayter |
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On 06/05/2017 12:13, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article . com, dennis@home wrote: On 06/05/2017 00:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: True. You flood the country with immigrants willing to to virtually any job under any conditions. Change from staff jobs to so called self employment. Zero hours contracts, etc. That is the easy way to keep the workforce in their place. The employment rules stop that most of the time. Employment rules only really apply to the employed. Hence all these self employed doing jobs once done by staff. And the taxman losing out heavily from those now not on PAYE, who would have been in older times. The laws apply to "self employed" too. Its really only sole traders that can avoid the laws. Most of them want to avoid the laws. |
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Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Roger Hayter wrote: Vir Campestris wrote: On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote: like we don't have strikes now !!! You don't remember the 1970s do you. Andy The 1970s entailed the Labour Party making the first moves at globalisation and lowering real wages. And then blaming the Trade Union movement for trying to resist this. Rather successfully, it seems, but that does not make it the unions' fault. The unions have always been keen on trying to have employers retain jobs that don't exist any more. Possibly, but that's a completely separate issue. -- Roger Hayter |
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