So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

That will be a few thousand that will wish they had voted the other way.

On Saturday, 18 February 2017 19:10:27 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

That will be a few thousand that will wish they had voted the other way.

You really think Bremain would have changed anything?

In article ,
harry wrote:
On Saturday, 18 February 2017 19:10:27 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes
first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

That will be a few thousand that will wish they had voted the other way.

You really think Bremain would have changed anything?

Ot could well have done, but outside the EU, no chance.

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On 18/02/2017 19:10, dennis@home wrote:
So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

That will be a few thousand that will wish they had voted the other way.


Will French majority share owners favour the UK or Germany?

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On 19/02/17 10:16, alan_m wrote:
On 18/02/2017 19:10, dennis@home wrote:
So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes
first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

That will be a few thousand that will wish they had voted the other way.


Will French majority share owners favour the UK or Germany?

There can't be any French shareholders except the government surely.
Peugeot is as bad as BL was in its dog days.

https://www.groupe-psa.com/en/financ...rshipstructure


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On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 10:08:07 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


General motors is a joke in the bond market.,
The UK car plant at Ellesmere port is labour efficient compared with
Germany and with the pound low, has to represent a better bet than the
German plant. There is a plant in Poland as well.

I would imagine unless the EU steps in and offers bribes, the German
plant would close.

Luton could be the one at most risk, a complication there is that the
Vauxhall badged van that is assembled there also comes out as a
Renault badged one , but some versions of both come out of French
Renault plant anyway because of a low doorway at Luton or some similar
reason. There is a Nissan badged version as well that was assembled in
Spain but the latest version is also now produced in at the French
plant along with a Fiat branded version.
Either way it doesn't look good for a long term future for Luton
unless Renault/ Nissan wish to keep it available and Peugeot go along
with that.
Going on from that would that leave the UK without a volume mid size
van assembler? Transit production got moved to Turkey a few years
back. Perhaps Ford better keep an eye on the Luton plant incase the
troubles in the region start to destabilise Turkey too much.
Serve em right mind.
One minute they claimed to be the Backbone of Britain till seduced by
Turkish Delight.

G.Harman

Elsmere Point not Luton.
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"dennis@home" wrote in message
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So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

That will be a few thousand that will wish they had voted the other way.

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

That will be a few thousand that will wish they had voted the other way.

The main problem will be the van side. If there is a tarrif on EU sales of
them, you can say goodbye to it. Commercial vehicle sales are far more
price sensitive than cars.

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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
The UK car plant at Ellesmere port is labour efficient compared with
Germany and with the pound low, has to represent a better bet than the
German plant. There is a plant in Poland as well.

I understand that a lot of the parts that are fitted at Ellesmere Port
come from "abroad". But some local engineering manufacturers used to be
in the RR supply chain, although I'm not sure that still applies.

Then there is Ineos Vehicles, who presumably might like an existing,
successful, modern plant with a good track record to produce their "New
Defender".

There is, apparently, existing money in the pipeline to replace the EU
funding for North West businesses, so I hope someone somewhere is
working on a plan to tell Peugeot to either retain the plants or to just
go away and leave them intact. It can't be that difficult to reprogram
the robots to build something else.

As long as the Ineos Offender has girder bumpers front and rear for
sawing and clamping vices etc and retains rubber mudguards, I'll be
happy.
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"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

no,

but German redundancy rules might

No "here's 2 grand, so bugger off " there

tim

On Sunday, 19 February 2017 10:57:34 UTC, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 10:08:07 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


General motors is a joke in the bond market.,
The UK car plant at Ellesmere port is labour efficient compared with
Germany and with the pound low, has to represent a better bet than the
German plant. There is a plant in Poland as well.

I would imagine unless the EU steps in and offers bribes, the German
plant would close.

Luton could be the one at most risk, a complication there is that the
Vauxhall badged van that is assembled there also comes out as a
Renault badged one , but some versions of both come out of French
Renault plant anyway because of a low doorway at Luton or some similar
reason. There is a Nissan badged version as well that was assembled in
Spain but the latest version is also now produced in at the French
plant along with a Fiat branded version.
Either way it doesn't look good for a long term future for Luton
unless Renault/ Nissan wish to keep it available and Peugeot go along
with that.
Going on from that would that leave the UK without a volume mid size
van assembler? Transit production got moved to Turkey a few years
back. Perhaps Ford better keep an eye on the Luton plant incase the
troubles in the region start to destabilise Turkey too much.
Serve em right mind.
One minute they claimed to be the Backbone of Britain till seduced by
Turkish Delight.

G.Harman

The EUSSR has been financing moves From the UK to E Europe and Turkey for years.
Ford transit being just one of them

On 19/02/2017 10:16, alan_m wrote:
On 18/02/2017 19:10, dennis@home wrote:
So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes
first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

That will be a few thousand that will wish they had voted the other way.


Will French majority share owners favour the UK or Germany?


Will they favour in the EU or out?

In article , alan_m
writes
On 18/02/2017 19:10, dennis@home wrote:
So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

That will be a few thousand that will wish they had voted the other way.


Will French majority share owners favour the UK or Germany?

Maybe that will depend on who takes over as French President.
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On 19/02/2017 11:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The main problem will be the van side. If there is a tarrif on EU sales of
them, you can say goodbye to it. Commercial vehicle sales are far more
price sensitive than cars.

If there's a tariff from the UK to the EU there will be one the other
way too. Which would mean that UK built vans would suddenly be cheaper
to UK customers.

Does Britain make more vans than it buys?

Andy

On 19/02/2017 09:50, charles wrote:
In article ,
harry wrote:
On Saturday, 18 February 2017 19:10:27 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes
first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

That will be a few thousand that will wish they had voted the other way.

You really think Bremain would have changed anything?

Ot could well have done, but outside the EU, no chance.


Didn't stop Fiat closing a plant in Southern Italy and moving
it to Hungary, or somewhere round there.

And where are those Rootes group factories now ?.

On 19/02/2017 13:38, Bill wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
The UK car plant at Ellesmere port is labour efficient compared with
Germany and with the pound low, has to represent a better bet than the
German plant. There is a plant in Poland as well.

I understand that a lot of the parts that are fitted at Ellesmere Port
come from "abroad".

According to newsnight, 75% of the parts in an Astra come from
abroad.

In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 19/02/2017 11:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The main problem will be the van side. If there is a tarrif on EU sales of
them, you can say goodbye to it. Commercial vehicle sales are far more
price sensitive than cars.

If there's a tariff from the UK to the EU there will be one the other
way too. Which would mean that UK built vans would suddenly be cheaper
to UK customers.

How do you work that out?

Does Britain make more vans than it buys?

Very unlikely.

Andy

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 19/02/2017 11:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The main problem will be the van side. If there is a tarrif on EU sales of
them, you can say goodbye to it. Commercial vehicle sales are far more
price sensitive than cars.

If there's a tariff from the UK to the EU there will be one the other
way too. Which would mean that UK built vans would suddenly be cheaper
to UK customers.

How do you work that out?

Does Britain make more vans than it buys?

Very unlikely.

Andy


It doesn't really matter. Very few jobs are in manufacturing, the
majority are in sales and distribution etc. If UK made vans disappear,
Chinese ones can replace them in the showrooms.

On 20/02/2017 00:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
If there's a tariff from the UK to the EU there will be one the other
way too. Which would mean that UK built vans would suddenly be cheaper
to UK customers.

How do you work that out?


I know politicians are stupid, but if the EU want to engage in a trade
war giving their products an unfair advantage - that can work both ways.

Of _course_ they'd put one on in the reverse direction.

Andy

"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 20/02/2017 00:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
If there's a tariff from the UK to the EU there will be one the other
way too. Which would mean that UK built vans would suddenly be cheaper
to UK customers.

How do you work that out?


I know politicians are stupid, but if the EU want to engage in a trade war
giving their products an unfair advantage - that can work both ways.

Of _course_ they'd put one on in the reverse direction.

That wouldnt make UK built vans suddenly cheaper to UK
customers given that there is no tariff applicable currently.

On 18/02/2017 19:10, dennis@home wrote:
So bets on whether its the German plant or the UK plant that closes first?

Will brexit make it the UK ones?

That will be a few thousand that will wish they had voted the other way.

How do you think those Bristol Cadbury's employees voted?

I expect Kraft now wish they kept it open!

In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 20/02/2017 00:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
If there's a tariff from the UK to the EU there will be one the other
way too. Which would mean that UK built vans would suddenly be cheaper
to UK customers.

How do you work that out?


I know politicians are stupid, but if the EU want to engage in a trade
war giving their products an unfair advantage - that can work both ways.

Of _course_ they'd put one on in the reverse direction.

How does that make UK made vans cheaper in the UK?

Since many parts are imported (so a tarrif on them), and the pound has
dropped in value too, it's likely to be the reverse.

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