Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front door.
People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I politely
asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have been in
trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames any
good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front door.
People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I politely
asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have been in
trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames any
good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Google door restrainers.

What you want to consider is either a peep hole thingy or a video camera/audio link. You can get ones that bring up a picture on the TV. Plus a recorder if you want.

On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front door.
People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I politely
asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have been in
trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames any
good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You would need
to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or perhaps steel pop rivets
to get security. Not necessarily a trivial job unless you are fairly handy.

You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into wood
will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a security
chain, of course).

harry wrote:
On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Google door restrainers.

What you want to consider is either a peep hole thingy or a video
camera/audio link. You can get ones that bring up a picture on the
TV. Plus a recorder if you want.

Door restrainers does not bring up very much.
I think a peep hole could be an idea.
A camera would blow my mind, I spent ages today working out why the telly
was not pushing sound through the speakers!
Thanks Harry.

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I
could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You would
need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or perhaps steel pop
rivets to get security. Not necessarily a trivial job unless you are
fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into wood
will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a security
chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:04:24 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks


We have a stout door chain on our front door. The fitting on the door
itself has four screw-holes and the screws are self-tappers that go
through the steel frame inside the PVC. The chain itself is screwed
onto the door frame also with self-tappers. The chain is like this
with a solid flat link in the middle. http://tinyurl.com/jtgonhn I
have total faith in it! Whether justified, I don't know; probably not,
but not much would stop a determined effort to gain entry.

Its that steel frame thing and finding it.
I just may give the company that fitted the door a ring. Better than me
drilling holes all over the PVC.

Thanks for the reply Chris.

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:01:18 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

harry wrote:
On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Google door restrainers.

What you want to consider is either a peep hole thingy or a video
camera/audio link. You can get ones that bring up a picture on the
TV. Plus a recorder if you want.

Door restrainers does not bring up very much.
I think a peep hole could be an idea.
A camera would blow my mind, I spent ages today working out why the telly
was not pushing sound through the speakers!
Thanks Harry.

Peepholes are used by most elderly folk around here. I didn't think you were that old yet.

So, what if you came across 5 or 6 very big lads cycling on the pavement?

--
A man goes into a library and asks for a book on suicide.
The librarian says, "**** off, you won't bring it back!"

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I
could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You would
need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or perhaps steel pop
rivets to get security. Not necessarily a trivial job unless you are
fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into wood
will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a security
chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not burglar proof whatsoever.

--
What's soft and warm when you go to bed, but hard and stiff when you wake up?
Vomit.

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:07:23 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:04:24 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks


We have a stout door chain on our front door. The fitting on the door
itself has four screw-holes and the screws are self-tappers that go
through the steel frame inside the PVC. The chain itself is screwed
onto the door frame also with self-tappers. The chain is like this
with a solid flat link in the middle. http://tinyurl.com/jtgonhn I
have total faith in it! Whether justified, I don't know; probably not,
but not much would stop a determined effort to gain entry.

Its that steel frame thing and finding it.
I just may give the company that fitted the door a ring. Better than me
drilling holes all over the PVC.

Thanks for the reply Chris.

Get one of those stud/wire/pipe detectors on Ebay for a tenner, it'll come in useful for other stuff. But don't buy the cheapest ones, they suck.

--
I want to lie shipwrecked and comatose
Drinking fresh mango juice
With goldfish shoals nibbling round my toes
Fun in the sun

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:01:18 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
harry wrote:
On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could
have been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Google door restrainers.

What you want to consider is either a peep hole thingy or a video
camera/audio link. You can get ones that bring up a picture on the
TV. Plus a recorder if you want.

Door restrainers does not bring up very much.
I think a peep hole could be an idea.
A camera would blow my mind, I spent ages today working out why the
telly was not pushing sound through the speakers!
Thanks Harry.

Peepholes are used by most elderly folk around here. I didn't think
you were that old yet.
So, what if you came across 5 or 6 very big lads cycling on the
pavement?

As ALWAYS your contribution to this group and any other group is zero.
The class clown you are and always will be.
What a fool you really are.

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:22:20 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:01:18 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
harry wrote:
On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could
have been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Google door restrainers.

What you want to consider is either a peep hole thingy or a video
camera/audio link. You can get ones that bring up a picture on the
TV. Plus a recorder if you want.

Door restrainers does not bring up very much.
I think a peep hole could be an idea.
A camera would blow my mind, I spent ages today working out why the
telly was not pushing sound through the speakers!
Thanks Harry.

Peepholes are used by most elderly folk around here. I didn't think
you were that old yet.
So, what if you came across 5 or 6 very big lads cycling on the
pavement?

As ALWAYS your contribution to this group and any other group is zero.

I was being helpful (in the other replies). This one was poking fun at you, since you're a self admitted assaulter, yet you now fear people coming to your door. Worried someone might get their own back are you?

--
Brazil nuts are an STD. If you eat a Brazil nut then have sex with someone who has nut allergies, they will have an allergic reaction.

On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front door.
People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I politely
asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have been in
trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames any
good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Door chains are certainly low security, but definitely better than nothing. They do help in some situations where nothing else does, so are worth the trivial cost. Many invaders don't kick doors in. Door bars are a similar but tougher option.

If it's 6 large lads, just don't open the door.


NT

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:30:57 -0000, wrote:

On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front door.
People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I politely
asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have been in
trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames any
good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Door chains are certainly low security, but definitely better than nothing. They do help in some situations where nothing else does, so are worth the trivial cost. Many invaders don't kick doors in. Door bars are a similar but tougher option.

If it's 6 large lads, just don't open the door.

Saying "who is it?" before unlocking the door works fine for a lot of old folk.

--
Eskimoes only have 4 words for snow, but 32 words for demonstrative pronouns (we only have this/that/these/those).

On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I
could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You would
need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or perhaps steel pop
rivets to get security. Not necessarily a trivial job unless you are
fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into wood
will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a security
chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not burglar
proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are extremely
expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no
good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You would
need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or perhaps steel
pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a trivial job unless
you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the walls of
your .............. caravan.

wrote:
On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Door chains are certainly low security, but definitely better than
nothing. They do help in some situations where nothing else does, so
are worth the trivial cost. Many invaders don't kick doors in. Door
bars are a similar but tougher option.

If it's 6 large lads, just don't open the door.

Yes, they are better than nothing.
I rather think that not opening the door fully is better than having to take
down 8 large lads.

Door chain I think it will be.

Thanks for your input.

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no
good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You would
need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or perhaps steel
pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a trivial job unless
you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the walls of
your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

--
Bumper sticker seen on a B-2 Stealth Bomber:
"IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THEN WE WASTED 50 BILLION BUCKS."

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:02:15 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

wrote:
On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Door chains are certainly low security, but definitely better than
nothing. They do help in some situations where nothing else does, so
are worth the trivial cost. Many invaders don't kick doors in. Door
bars are a similar but tougher option.

If it's 6 large lads, just don't open the door.

Yes, they are better than nothing.
I rather think that not opening the door fully is better than having to take
down 8 large lads.

Door chain I think it will be.

Thanks for your input.

Why are you scared of people I'm not?

--
Why do divorces cost so much? They're worth it.

On 05/02/2017 19:53, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no
good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You would
need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or perhaps steel
pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a trivial job unless
you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the walls of
your .............. caravan.


Why are you so frightened to open your front door?

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the
front door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver
milk. I politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said
"Sorry" and cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads
intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You
would need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or
perhaps steel pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a
trivial job unless you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the
walls of your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or
aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

Wooden doors are for very old inefficient caravans.
PVC is for modern homes.
Do you really have a wooden front door?

Aluminum?

"Whats a joist"?
(Peter Hucker)

On 05/02/2017 20:10, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:02:15 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

wrote:
On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Door chains are certainly low security, but definitely better than
nothing. They do help in some situations where nothing else does, so
are worth the trivial cost. Many invaders don't kick doors in. Door
bars are a similar but tougher option.

If it's 6 large lads, just don't open the door.

Yes, they are better than nothing.
I rather think that not opening the door fully is better than having
to take
down 8 large lads.

Door chain I think it will be.

Thanks for your input.

Why are you scared of people I'm not?

He must be scared because he arms himself with chisel as well.

Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 19:07:23 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:04:24 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could
have been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks


We have a stout door chain on our front door. The fitting on the
door itself has four screw-holes and the screws are self-tappers
that go through the steel frame inside the PVC. The chain itself is
screwed onto the door frame also with self-tappers. The chain is
like this with a solid flat link in the middle.
http://tinyurl.com/jtgonhn I have total faith in it! Whether
justified, I don't know; probably not, but not much would stop a
determined effort to gain entry.

Its that steel frame thing and finding it.
I just may give the company that fitted the door a ring. Better than
me drilling holes all over the PVC.

Thanks for the reply Chris.

A little magnet is a great help, although if you just position the
door-fitting centrally on the door frame, you won't go far wrong.

Cheers Chris.

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:20:35 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 05/02/2017 19:53, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no
good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You would
need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or perhaps steel
pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a trivial job unless
you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the walls of
your .............. caravan.

Why are you so frightened to open your front door?

Every local cyclist wants revenge.

Rather pathetic isn't it? Someone over 6 foot tall scared of a few youths.

--
Man who walk through turnstyle sideways going to bangkok!

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:25:34 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the
front door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver
milk. I politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said
"Sorry" and cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads
intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You
would need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or
perhaps steel pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a
trivial job unless you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the
walls of your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or
aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

Wooden doors are for very old inefficient caravans.

No, nice posh houses round here worth £400,000 have wooden doors. I only see PVC in council estates.

PVC is for modern homes.

PVC is cheap ****.

Do you really have a wooden front door?

Yes, and its far more sturdy than plastic.

Aluminum?

No, aluminium you silly American. Have you never seen such a door, they are posher than you could afford.

"Whats a joist"?
(Peter Hucker)

A thinner beam.

--
I lost the trivia contest at the church social last night by one point.
The last question was: "Where do most women have curly hair?"
Apparently the correct answer is "Africa".
I've been asked to find another placed to worship....

On 05/02/2017 20:25, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the
front door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver
milk. I politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said
"Sorry" and cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads
intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You
would need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or
perhaps steel pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a
trivial job unless you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the
walls of your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or
aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

Wooden doors are for very old inefficient caravans.
PVC is for modern homes.
Do you really have a wooden front door?

Aluminum?

"Whats a joist"?
(Peter Hucker)


"I spent ages getting the sound out of my tv"
[Mr Pounder]

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:35:35 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 05/02/2017 20:25, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the
front door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver
milk. I politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said
"Sorry" and cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads
intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You
would need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or
perhaps steel pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a
trivial job unless you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the
walls of your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or
aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

Wooden doors are for very old inefficient caravans.
PVC is for modern homes.
Do you really have a wooden front door?

Aluminum?

"Whats a joist"?
(Peter Hucker)


"I spent ages getting the sound out of my tv"
[Mr Pounder]

Don't be so cruel, TV is a modern invention. Anything more than a wireless confuses the poor old man. Why do you think he still runs XP?

--
Does a pedometer detect child molesters?

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:02:15 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
wrote:
On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could
have been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Door chains are certainly low security, but definitely better than
nothing. They do help in some situations where nothing else does, so
are worth the trivial cost. Many invaders don't kick doors in. Door
bars are a similar but tougher option.

If it's 6 large lads, just don't open the door.

Yes, they are better than nothing.
I rather think that not opening the door fully is better than having
to take down 8 large lads.

Door chain I think it will be.

Thanks for your input.

Why are you scared of people I'm not?

I asked here for assistance and I got it from decent people who like to
help.
All you have done is come out with your usual trolling crap.
You Mr Hucker are as thick as pig **** and always will be.
Like to tell us what you do for a living, Mr Hucker - you little dole
claiming **** all?

I apologise to this group for taking PHucker bait.

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:47:10 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:02:15 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
wrote:
On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could
have been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Door chains are certainly low security, but definitely better than
nothing. They do help in some situations where nothing else does, so
are worth the trivial cost. Many invaders don't kick doors in. Door
bars are a similar but tougher option.

If it's 6 large lads, just don't open the door.

Yes, they are better than nothing.
I rather think that not opening the door fully is better than having
to take down 8 large lads.

Door chain I think it will be.

Thanks for your input.

Why are you scared of people I'm not?

I asked here for assistance and I got it from decent people who like to
help.
All you have done is come out with your usual trolling crap.
You Mr Hucker are as thick as pig **** and always will be.
Like to tell us what you do for a living, Mr Hucker - you little dole
claiming **** all?

I apologise to this group for taking PHucker bait.

Stop evading the question. Why are you scared of people coming to your door? Old frail 90 year old women are scared.

--
When a man steals your wife, there is no better revenge than to let him keep her.

Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 20:25, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the
front door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver
milk. I politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said
"Sorry" and cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads
intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You
would need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or
perhaps steel pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a
trivial job unless you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the
walls of your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or
aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

Wooden doors are for very old inefficient caravans.
PVC is for modern homes.
Do you really have a wooden front door?

Aluminum?

"Whats a joist"?
(Peter Hucker)


"I spent ages getting the sound out of my tv"
[Mr Pounder]

Yip.
I'm no good at that sort of thing.
But, I did it without help.
5.1 surround sound on a new telly.
I suspect that Mrs Pounder Esquire has been pushing buttons.
Stupid television!

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:55:50 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 20:25, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the
front door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver
milk. I politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said
"Sorry" and cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads
intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You
would need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or
perhaps steel pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a
trivial job unless you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the
walls of your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or
aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

Wooden doors are for very old inefficient caravans.
PVC is for modern homes.
Do you really have a wooden front door?

Aluminum?

"Whats a joist"?
(Peter Hucker)


"I spent ages getting the sound out of my tv"
[Mr Pounder]

Yip.
I'm no good at that sort of thing.

Just what are you good at?

But, I did it without help.
5.1 surround sound on a new telly.
I suspect that Mrs Pounder Esquire has been pushing buttons.
Stupid television!

A woman should never be allowed to operate anything technical.

--
A lady says to her doctor: "My husband has a habit of talking in his sleep! What should I give him to cure it?"
The doctor replies: "Give him the opportunity to speak while he's awake!"

On 05/02/2017 20:55, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 20:25, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the
front door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver
milk. I politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said
"Sorry" and cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads
intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You
would need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or
perhaps steel pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a
trivial job unless you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the
walls of your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or
aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

Wooden doors are for very old inefficient caravans.
PVC is for modern homes.
Do you really have a wooden front door?

Aluminum?

"Whats a joist"?
(Peter Hucker)


"I spent ages getting the sound out of my tv"
[Mr Pounder]

Yip.
I'm no good at that sort of thing.
But, I did it without help.
5.1 surround sound on a new telly.
I suspect that Mrs Pounder Esquire has been pushing buttons.
Stupid television!


Yes, we recently bought a 50" UHD TV as well.
I bought a sound bar this time because the last time we had surround
sound the sound got a bit irritating on certain programs.

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 21:05:26 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 05/02/2017 20:55, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 20:25, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the
front door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver
milk. I politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said
"Sorry" and cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads
intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You
would need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or
perhaps steel pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a
trivial job unless you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the
walls of your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or
aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

Wooden doors are for very old inefficient caravans.
PVC is for modern homes.
Do you really have a wooden front door?

Aluminum?

"Whats a joist"?
(Peter Hucker)


"I spent ages getting the sound out of my tv"
[Mr Pounder]

Yip.
I'm no good at that sort of thing.
But, I did it without help.
5.1 surround sound on a new telly.
I suspect that Mrs Pounder Esquire has been pushing buttons.
Stupid television!


Yes, we recently bought a 50" UHD TV as well.
I bought a sound bar this time because the last time we had surround
sound the sound got a bit irritating on certain programs.

How is surround sound irritating? It's more realistic. I've always had several speakers for TV.

--
"Smoking is one of the leading causes of statistics." - Fletcher Knebel

Mr Pounder Esquire wrote

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front door.
People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and cleared
off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have been
in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Obese doesn’t count.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames any
good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Makes more sense to use a camera if you're worried about that.

Mr Pounder Esquire explained on 05/02/2017 :
PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Small metal detector?

On 05/02/2017 21:06, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 21:05:26 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 05/02/2017 20:55, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 20:25, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the
front door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver
milk. I politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said
"Sorry" and cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads
intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You
would need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or
perhaps steel pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a
trivial job unless you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the
walls of your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or
aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

Wooden doors are for very old inefficient caravans.
PVC is for modern homes.
Do you really have a wooden front door?

Aluminum?

"Whats a joist"?
(Peter Hucker)


"I spent ages getting the sound out of my tv"
[Mr Pounder]

Yip.
I'm no good at that sort of thing.
But, I did it without help.
5.1 surround sound on a new telly.
I suspect that Mrs Pounder Esquire has been pushing buttons.
Stupid television!


Yes, we recently bought a 50" UHD TV as well.
I bought a sound bar this time because the last time we had surround
sound the sound got a bit irritating on certain programs.

How is surround sound irritating? It's more realistic. I've always had
several speakers for TV.

Only on *some* programs, but this was 13 years ago. Maybe they are much
better now.

On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 21:18:55 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 05/02/2017 21:06, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 21:05:26 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 05/02/2017 20:55, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 20:25, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the
front door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver
milk. I politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said
"Sorry" and cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads
intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You
would need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or
perhaps steel pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a
trivial job unless you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the
walls of your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or
aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

Wooden doors are for very old inefficient caravans.
PVC is for modern homes.
Do you really have a wooden front door?

Aluminum?

"Whats a joist"?
(Peter Hucker)


"I spent ages getting the sound out of my tv"
[Mr Pounder]

Yip.
I'm no good at that sort of thing.
But, I did it without help.
5.1 surround sound on a new telly.
I suspect that Mrs Pounder Esquire has been pushing buttons.
Stupid television!


Yes, we recently bought a 50" UHD TV as well.
I bought a sound bar this time because the last time we had surround
sound the sound got a bit irritating on certain programs.

How is surround sound irritating? It's more realistic. I've always had
several speakers for TV.

Only on *some* programs, but this was 13 years ago. Maybe they are much
better now.

I heard my friend's surround system about 20 years ago. It was extremely realistic.

--
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:01:18 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

harry wrote:
On Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04:57 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks

Google door restrainers.

What you want to consider is either a peep hole thingy or a video
camera/audio link. You can get ones that bring up a picture on the
TV. Plus a recorder if you want.

Door restrainers does not bring up very much.
I think a peep hole could be an idea.
A camera would blow my mind, I spent ages today working out why the telly
was not pushing sound through the speakers!
Thanks Harry.

Peepholes are used by most elderly folk around here. I didn't think you
were that old yet.

So, what if you came across 5 or 6 very big lads cycling on the pavement?

He ****s his pants, again.

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
news
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:53:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2017 19:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:03:21 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 2/5/2017 6:04 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the
front door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver
milk. I politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said
"Sorry" and cleared off. If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads
intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and
frames any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Thanks



PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it. You
would need to drill and tap into that, or fit rivnuts, or
perhaps steel pop rivets to get security. Not necessarily a
trivial job unless you are fairly
handy.
You are quite right, screws into PVC won't do much. Screws into
wood will do very much better.

CCTV is becoming much more affordable (but not as cheap as a
security chain, of course).

PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Thanks for the reply.

The PVC doors don't. You can stick your foot through them. Not
burglar proof whatsoever.

Yup, they are useless unless you buy the very best, which are
extremely expensive.
Nothing like a sturdy wooden front door, IMO.

I bought the best.
Enjoy your pikey wooden door and the condensation running down the
walls of your .............. caravan.

All decent houses have strong thick sturdy wooden doors (or
aluminium). PVC is for council estates.

Wooden doors are for very old inefficient caravans.

They are also seen on the best houses.

PVC is for modern homes.

Only with the dregs of houses.

Do you really have a wooden front door?

Aluminum?

On 05/02/2017 21:15, Rod Speed wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote

Last night at about 9PM in the dark there was a knock at the front
door. People never seem to see the door bell.
It was this dairy guy asking me if I'd like him to deliver milk. I
politely asked him if he could tell the time, he said "Sorry" and
cleared off.
If this had been 5 or 6 VERY big lads intent on no good I could have
been in trouble, even though I'm a big guy.

Obese doesn’t count.

Question is:
Are these door chains that can be screwed into PVC doors and frames
any good?
I can't see the screws holding out against a good kick.

Makes more sense to use a camera if you're worried about that.

If it is a rare ocassion at night someone at your door just make a
wooden wedge and hold it with your foot, that will stop the door opening
beyond where you `jam` it. The harder they push the more it `jams`

On 2/5/2017 9:17 PM, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire explained on 05/02/2017 :
PVC frame will have steel structure somewhere behind it.

The somewhere is the problem.

Small metal detector?

Rare earth magnet will localise it better. IME the only good way to do
it is to explore with a small drill, and hope you can conceal "misses".
This was what I did when fitting a stair gate hinge for son-in-law. In
that case I was happy that self tappers (in shear) would be strong enough.