And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for the
provider.

On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 00:24:56 +1100
F Murtz wrote:

PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for the
provider.

I would in general agree, but I have a flat near to but not in London,
and smart metering might reduce the utility costs, which admittedly are
already small, as it is only occupied on an occasional basis. A water
meter is scheduled to be installed sometime soon, so I will be able to
compare the two systems. Apparently I can keep to the old payment method
for up to 2 years.

How they are going to install 5 meters in a 6" x 5" pipe chase full
of pipe, I have no idea. I might be there to watch that.

--
Davey.

In article , PeterC
writes
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...t_meter_debacl
e_by_cabinet_office_four_years_ago/
And we've know the government has known from day 1. They should
subscribe in here instead of listening to all the green ****e, then they
would avoid such nonsense.
--
bert

On 01/12/2016 09:58, PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


Although I see The Register cocks up who bears the costs with repeated
references to "the taxpayer". It's the *customers* who are at risk of
£billions. (The only costs falling on taxpayers are some relatively
modest costs to government in managing and communicating the programme.)

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:52:35 UTC, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 00:24:56 +1100
F Murtz wrote:

PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for the
provider.

Since I get free electric with my spinning disc, I don't want one at all.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxUikqxXUAAWFAk.jpg

F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for the
provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , PeterC
writes
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...t_meter_debacl
e_by_cabinet_office_four_years_ago/
And we've know the government has known from day 1. They should subscribe
in here instead of listening to all the green ****e, then they would avoid
such nonsense.

but they ignored their OWN advisors telling them, why would they believe an
anonymous third party?

tim


--
bert

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for the
provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?

--
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On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for the
provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?

Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason wrote:

On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for the
provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live fusebox tail.

--
Are you into casual sex, or should I dress up?

On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:32:59 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:


In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live fusebox tail.

Simple - just arrange never to be at home on the day they threaten to turn up, they will soon get ****ed off and leave you alone. Here, there is a big waiting list which suits me fine as at the moment I am getting free electricity forever.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:53:36 -0000, Simon Mason wrote:

On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:32:59 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:


In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live fusebox tail.

Simple - just arrange never to be at home on the day they threaten to turn up, they will soon get ****ed off and leave you alone. Here, there is a big waiting list which suits me fine as at the moment I am getting free electricity forever.

How is free electricity connected to not getting a smart meter?

--
7 wheelchair athletes have been banned from the Paralympics after they tested positive for WD40.

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for
the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent
me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are
coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already
have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live fusebox
tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric meters
replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for
the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent
me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are
coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already
have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live fusebox
tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric meters
replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as I got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them. But I'm not going out of my way to help them by being in on a certain day etc.

--
Ted Walsh - Horse Racing Commentator - "This is really a lovely horse. I once rode her mother."

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for
the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent
me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are
coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already
have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live
fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as I
got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them. But I'm
not going out of my way to help them by being in on a certain
day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for
the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent
me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are
coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already
have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live
fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as I
got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them. But I'm
not going out of my way to help them by being in on a certain
day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed, although I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.

As I said, they can change it if they want, as long as I don't have to do anything. The cost if any is going to be given to everyone as a whole, not just those with smart meters, so I'll save nothing by avoiding it.

--
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"When a prang seems inevitable, endeavour to strike the softest, cheapest object in the vicinity as slowly and gently as possible."

On 01/12/16 14:57, bert wrote:

And we've know the government has known from day 1. They should
subscribe in here instead of listening to all the green ****e, then they
would avoid such nonsense.

Hello Teresa :-)

Welcome to uk.d-i-y!

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/ip-bi...details-passed

--
Adrian C

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money
for the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied
"research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just
sent me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart
meters are coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're
using". I already have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped
round the live fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as
I got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm not going out of my way to help them by being in on a
certain day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed,
although I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.
As I said, they can change it if they want, as long as I don't have
to do anything. The cost if any is going to be given to everyone as
a whole, not just those with smart meters, so I'll save nothing by
avoiding it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-cut-off.html

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 20:38:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money
for the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied
"research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just
sent me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart
meters are coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're
using". I already have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped
round the live fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as
I got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm not going out of my way to help them by being in on a
certain day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed,
although I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.
As I said, they can change it if they want, as long as I don't have
to do anything. The cost if any is going to be given to everyone as
a whole, not just those with smart meters, so I'll save nothing by
avoiding it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-cut-off.html

Sensationalist bull****.

--
During last night's high winds an African family was killed by a falling tree.
A spokesman for the Birmingham City council said, "We didn't even know they were living up there".

On 01/12/2016 19:32, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for
the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent
me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are
coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already
have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live
fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as I
got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm
not going out of my way to help them by being in on a certain
day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed, although
I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.


The way they use the mobile network costs quite a bit. They are
unfortunately a considerable cost which consumers will end up paying
albeit indirectly.


--
Michael Chare

"F Murtz" wrote in message
web.com...
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for the
provider.

That's not correct. Its also much more convenient for the consumer
when you don't have to read the meter yourself or ensure access
for the meter reader when they send a monkey to do that.

My meter is outside the house, on the wall of the house half way down
the back yard. We've just had the wettest 5 months on record and the
backyard that never gets mowed is a hell of a jungle with the tallest
grass literally head height, but very thin and trivial to walk thru.

The ****wit meter reader who has managed to read the meter fine
for 40 ****ing years, refused to do it twice in a row, and then last
time read it again without me doing anything in the backyard.
And now has just refused to read it again. Not clear if its just one
****wit or it's the same ****wit. He's never actually been radical
enough to knock on the ****ing door, but that might just be
because he hasn't been able to see me and assumes there is
no one there. Or he may just be a bloody minded ****wit.

They didn't have any problem changing the off peak relay
to a new one just before the first failure to read the meter.

All of that **** would be eliminated completely with a smartmeter.

In article , Adrian Caspersz
writes
On 01/12/16 14:57, bert wrote:

And we've know the government has known from day 1. They should
subscribe in here instead of listening to all the green ****e, then they
would avoid such nonsense.

Hello Teresa :-)

Welcome to uk.d-i-y!

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/ip-bi...details-passed

If you thought running a cabinet was difficult, you ain't seen nothing
yet.
--
bert

Rod Speed wrote:
"F Murtz" wrote in message
web.com...
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for the
provider.

That's not correct. Its also much more convenient for the consumer
when you don't have to read the meter yourself or ensure access
for the meter reader when they send a monkey to do that.

My meter is outside the house, on the wall of the house half way down
the back yard. We've just had the wettest 5 months on record and the
backyard that never gets mowed is a hell of a jungle with the tallest
grass literally head height, but very thin and trivial to walk thru.

The ****wit meter reader who has managed to read the meter fine
for 40 ****ing years, refused to do it twice in a row, and then last
time read it again without me doing anything in the backyard.
And now has just refused to read it again. Not clear if its just one
****wit or it's the same ****wit. He's never actually been radical
enough to knock on the ****ing door, but that might just be
because he hasn't been able to see me and assumes there is
no one there. Or he may just be a bloody minded ****wit.

They didn't have any problem changing the off peak relay
to a new one just before the first failure to read the meter.

All of that **** would be eliminated completely with a smartmeter.

We do not live in your ******** of a country.
You do.
You will rot and die there.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 21:17:55 -0000, Michael Chare wrote:

On 01/12/2016 19:32, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for
the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent
me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are
coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already
have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live
fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as I
got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm
not going out of my way to help them by being in on a certain
day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed, although
I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.

The way they use the mobile network costs quite a bit.

Surely it's not often they connect?

They are
unfortunately a considerable cost which consumers will end up paying
albeit indirectly.

The suppliers must want them for some reason.

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Actually its info gathering. Did nobody realise this? The internet is
exactly the same after all.
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"F Murtz" wrote in message
web.com...
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for the
provider.

"Simon Mason" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:52:35 UTC, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 00:24:56 +1100
F Murtz wrote:

PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/

There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for the
provider.

Since I get free electric with my spinning disc,

Nope, you just get to pay for it later, you watch.

I don't want one at all.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxUikqxXUAAWFAk.jpg

Then they will take the new car that I can never remember
how to spell because it has such a stupid name.

On 01/12/2016 21:54, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 21:17:55 -0000, Michael Chare
wrote:

On 01/12/2016 19:32, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/



There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for
the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent
me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are
coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already
have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live
fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as I
got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm
not going out of my way to help them by being in on a certain
day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed, although
I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.

The way they use the mobile network costs quite a bit.

Surely it's not often they connect?

They are
unfortunately a considerable cost which consumers will end up paying
albeit indirectly.

The suppliers must want them for some reason.


They are no doubt responding to the governments regulatory framework!


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Michael Chare

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 22:15:29 -0000, Michael Chare wrote:

On 01/12/2016 21:54, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 21:17:55 -0000, Michael Chare
wrote:

On 01/12/2016 19:32, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/



There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for
the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent
me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are
coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already
have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live
fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as I
got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm
not going out of my way to help them by being in on a certain
day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed, although
I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.

The way they use the mobile network costs quite a bit.

Surely it's not often they connect?

They are
unfortunately a considerable cost which consumers will end up paying
albeit indirectly.

The suppliers must want them for some reason.


They are no doubt responding to the governments regulatory framework!

It was a government idea was it?

--
A father is someone who carries pictures where his money used to be.

On Thursday, 1 December 2016 22:01:27 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:


Then they will take the new car that I can never remember
how to spell because it has such a stupid name.

http://jalopnik.com/is-the-alfa-rome...and-1758823986

Simon Mason wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Then they will take the new car that I can never remember
how to spell because it has such a stupid name.

http://jalopnik.com/is-the-alfa-rome...and-1758823986

That isnt the name of the steaming turd with wheels you are planning to buy
that
will be seized by the debt collectors when you refuse to pay your
electricity bill.

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for
the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent
me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are
coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already
have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live
fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as I
got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm
not going out of my way to help them by being in on a certain
day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed, although
I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.

it will cost you more eventually, and when they start to use its
capabilities it will inconvenience you more.

As I said, they can change it if they want, as long as I don't have to
do anything. The cost if any is going to be given to everyone as a
whole, not just those with smart meters, so I'll save nothing by
avoiding it.

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 20:38:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money
for the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied
"research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just
sent me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart
meters are coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're
using". I already have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped
round the live fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as
I got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm not going out of my way to help them by being in on a
certain day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed,
although I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.
As I said, they can change it if they want, as long as I don't have
to do anything. The cost if any is going to be given to everyone as
a whole, not just those with smart meters, so I'll save nothing by
avoiding it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-cut-off.html


Sensationalist bull****.

if any of it is true the consumer will end up paying for it.

On Thursday, 1 December 2016 23:24:01 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Simon Mason wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Then they will take the new car that I can never remember
how to spell because it has such a stupid name.

http://jalopnik.com/is-the-alfa-rome...and-1758823986

That isnt the name of the steaming turd with wheels you are planning to buy
that

Mine is a grown up version of Giulietta hence Giulia.

"F Murtz" wrote in message
b.com...
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for
the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent
me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are
coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already
have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live
fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as I
got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm
not going out of my way to help them by being in on a certain
day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed, although
I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.

it will cost you more eventually,

Nope, not with our system where we have goons walking
the streets reading the meters every 3 months.

and when they start to use its capabilities it will inconvenience you
more.

Bull****. It inconveniences me much less when I don't have
to allow some fool to read the meter every 3 months.

As I said, they can change it if they want, as long as I don't have to
do anything. The cost if any is going to be given to everyone as a
whole, not just those with smart meters, so I'll save nothing by
avoiding it.

"F Murtz" wrote in message
b.com...
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 20:38:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money
for the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied
"research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just
sent me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart
meters are coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're
using". I already have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped
round the live fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as
I got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm not going out of my way to help them by being in on a
certain day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed,
although I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.
As I said, they can change it if they want, as long as I don't have
to do anything. The cost if any is going to be given to everyone as
a whole, not just those with smart meters, so I'll save nothing by
avoiding it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-cut-off.html


Sensationalist bull****.

if any of it is true

None of it is. No one hacks the mobile phone system
or the broadband system in a way that sees people
disconnected either.

the consumer will end up paying for it.

Bull****.

Simon Mason wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Simon Mason wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Then they will take the new car that I can never remember
how to spell because it has such a stupid name.

http://jalopnik.com/is-the-alfa-rome...and-1758823986

That isnt the name of the steaming turd with wheels you are planning to
buy that

Mine is a grown up version of Giulietta hence Giulia.

Thanks, that should see it stick in my head now, particularly now that
its been added to the dictionary to fix the problem with the woggy iu.

Likely will come in handy when they tow it away when
you refuse to pay for all that electricity you have used.

On 01/12/2016 18:53, Simon Mason wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:32:59 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:


In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live fusebox tail.

Simple - just arrange never to be at home on the day they threaten to turn up, they will soon get ****ed off and leave you alone. Here, there is a big waiting list which suits me fine as at the moment I am getting free electricity forever.



If the meter has failed then you will be given an estimated bill based
on previous usage, and it would be upheld in court.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 01:28:12 -0000, F Murtz wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money for
the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied "research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just sent
me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart meters are
coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're using". I already
have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped round the live
fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as I
got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm
not going out of my way to help them by being in on a certain
day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed, although
I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.

it will cost you more eventually, and when they start to use its
capabilities it will inconvenience you more.

I don't see why.

As I said, they can change it if they want, as long as I don't have to
do anything. The cost if any is going to be given to everyone as a
whole, not just those with smart meters, so I'll save nothing by
avoiding it.





--
Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 01:29:36 -0000, F Murtz wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 20:38:47 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:28:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:57:59 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:26:47 -0000, Simon Mason
wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:06:50 UTC, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:14:52 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
PeterC wrote:
And the govmint has known for 4 years:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


There is only one reason for smart meters,To make more money
for the provider.

BG rang me yesterday wanting to install smart meters.
I politely declined. When I was asked why, I replied
"research".

It's optional?
Yes, just like water meters, broadband and B+W CRT TVs

In that case I'll tell EDF to **** off. The leaflet they just
sent me didn't say there was a choice. It just said "Smart
meters are coming" and "They allow you to se how much you're
using". I already have a device that tells me that, it's wrapped
round the live fusebox tail.

Yes, it's optional in England. Dunno about the Colonies.
Seems that eventually we will all have to have the gas/electric
meters replaced. But, we can refuse the phone home function.
Google is you fiend.

I have no problem with one being there. Apart from I just can't be
bothered to have it installed. My meter is only a few years old as
I got a digital two-tariff one recently to get cheaper rates. Mind
you, since I have an outdoor meter box, I guess I can't stop them.
But I'm not going out of my way to help them by being in on a
certain day etc.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11...our_years_ago/


You contact them and say no.
If it's not broke ........

I assume they should save money as no meter reading is needed,
although I'm reading it myself so it won't save them much for me.
As I said, they can change it if they want, as long as I don't have
to do anything. The cost if any is going to be given to everyone as
a whole, not just those with smart meters, so I'll save nothing by
avoiding it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-cut-off.html


Sensationalist bull****.

if any of it is true the consumer will end up paying for it.

It won't happen often. Just like most people never get their bank account hacked. And there's more incentive to do that.

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