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Doorbells... 18VDC in to 8VAC out?
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I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. |
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On 8 Nov 2016 15:34, WeeBob wrote:
Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. Not really, far easier to get a matching power supply. -- Flying on Per Ardua ad Astra |
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Doorbells... 18VDC in to 8VAC out?
WeeBob wrote:
Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? I doubt it! Presumably the new door bell came with a power supply? Just graft it to the existing wiring if you don't want to redecorate. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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Tim+ wrote:
WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. Apologies, missed this bit. Think you'll just need to look harder. ;-) I'd be most surprised if the transformer has been channelled into a wall. Usually they're next to the main fuse box. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 8 Nov 2016 15:59, Tim+ wrote:
Tim+ wrote: WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. Apologies, missed this bit. Think you'll just need to look harder. ;-) I'd be most surprised if the transformer has been channelled into a wall. Usually they're next to the main fuse box. Tim But all that finding it gives you is an 18 volt DC power supply. -- Flying on Per Ardua ad Astra |
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Zephirum wrote:
On 8 Nov 2016 15:59, Tim+ wrote: Tim+ wrote: WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. Apologies, missed this bit. Think you'll just need to look harder. ;-) I'd be most surprised if the transformer has been channelled into a wall. Usually they're next to the main fuse box. Tim But all that finding it gives you is an 18 volt DC power supply. Not if you rip out the old transformer and connect the new power supply/bell transformer to the old transformer's supply and connect the output to the existing bell wires. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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"Zephirum" wrote in message ... On 8 Nov 2016 15:59, Tim+ wrote: Tim+ wrote: WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. Apologies, missed this bit. Think you'll just need to look harder. ;-) I'd be most surprised if the transformer has been channelled into a wall. Usually they're next to the main fuse box. Tim But all that finding it gives you is an 18 volt DC power supply. It allows him to put the new 8V transformer there and have it use the wiring that is in the walls etc fine. |
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Doorbells... 18VDC in to 8VAC out?
On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 15:34:37 UTC, WeeBob wrote:
Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. A 50Hz oscillator could do it if suitably rated. Many 8v ac devices are also happy on 12v dc, so a regulator could also work. NT |
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WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. 18v would be unusual for a door bell. Did you measure the voltage from the power supply with no load? The sort used for this likely has very poor regulation since it doesn't much matter. Real doorbells will work over a wide range of voltage. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? If it's an electronic device it will run off DC. So if no internal transformer, it will accept DC too. The DC will go through its internal rectifier OK. If so a simple regulator will give you the DC voltage you want. Exactly what that is, I'm not sure. As a nominal 8v AC supply depends on how it is rectified etc for the final DC voltage. Can this device be run off batteries? That would tell you what it needs, DC wise. -- *The closest I ever got to a 4.0 in school was my blood alcohol content* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 08/11/2016 16:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. 18v would be unusual for a door bell. Did you measure the voltage from the power supply with no load? The sort used for this likely has very poor regulation since it doesn't much matter. Real doorbells will work over a wide range of voltage. I'd guess 18v with no load, nominal 12v supply but 8v and transformer humming in protest when the solenoid is being powered continuously. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? That is an unusual requirement. Most modern stuff uses a DC switched mode PSU (or even batteries) rather than an iron transformer and AC. If it's an electronic device it will run off DC. So if no internal transformer, it will accept DC too. The DC will go through its internal rectifier OK. If so a simple regulator will give you the DC voltage you want. Exactly what that is, I'm not sure. As a nominal 8v AC supply depends on how it is rectified etc for the final DC voltage. Can this device be run off batteries? That would tell you what it needs, DC wise. You need to know how much current the new device will draw and what its absolute maximum voltage rating is. It might be possible to put a well heatsinked 5W 10v Zener diode in series to drop the excess voltage. eg https://www.rapidonline.com/on-semi-...-diode-47-2302 It only has to survive a few seconds of intermittent use. Somewhat grubby solution and it might not work if the thing draws too much current when going ding dong or if the psu regulation is ropey. (as seems likely from the OPs description) -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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Doorbells... 18VDC in to 8VAC out?
On 08/11/16 15:34, WeeBob wrote:
Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. You will probably find that the new bell only requires 8V AC because it converts it internally to whatever DC voltage it requires to operate, possibly by no more than a rectifier and smoothing circuit. You could try connecting a 7.5V DC supply to it to see if it works (and change the polarity if it doesn't). If it does, and you want to be bothered, you could try one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-4V-38V-...-/122202388683 And select the voltage output which you have checked works ok. Whatever you do, don't connect up the 18V DC supply directly to the new bell. -- Jeff |
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Doorbells... 18VDC in to 8VAC out?
On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 16:50:22 +0000, Jeff Layman
wrote: On 08/11/16 15:34, WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. You will probably find that the new bell only requires 8V AC because it converts it internally to whatever DC voltage it requires to operate, possibly by no more than a rectifier and smoothing circuit. You could try connecting a 7.5V DC supply to it to see if it works (and change the polarity if it doesn't). If it does, and you want to be bothered, you could try one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-4V-38V-...-/122202388683 And select the voltage output which you have checked works ok. Whatever you do, don't connect up the 18V DC supply directly to the new bell. I agree with that, although I'd want at least three buck converters for that price. http://tinyurl.com/nb5l6be Just to be certain, if the OP could tell us the make and model of his new doorbell it would help. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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Doorbells... 18VDC in to 8VAC out?
On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 15:34:37 UTC, WeeBob wrote:
Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? No. |
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On 08/11/2016 15:34, WeeBob wrote:
Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. There is no /simple/ way to convert. Best buy a transformer - it seems that 8V AC is quite a common doorbell voltage. For something that's connected to the mains and left unattended for years, I wouldn't fiddle about. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Friedland-D.../dp/B00EPESM2U Cheers -- Syd |
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On 08/11/16 17:43, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 08/11/2016 15:34, WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. There is no /simple/ way to convert. Best buy a transformer - it seems that 8V AC is quite a common doorbell voltage. For something that's connected to the mains and left unattended for years, I wouldn't fiddle about. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Friedland-D.../dp/B00EPESM2U If the power so low enough and audio amplifier fed from a 50Hz oscillator is one way. Cheers -- It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong. Thomas Sowell |
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On 08/11/2016 17:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/11/16 17:43, Syd Rumpo wrote: On 08/11/2016 15:34, WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. There is no /simple/ way to convert. Best buy a transformer - it seems that 8V AC is quite a common doorbell voltage. For something that's connected to the mains and left unattended for years, I wouldn't fiddle about. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Friedland-D.../dp/B00EPESM2U If the power so low enough and audio amplifier fed from a 50Hz oscillator is one way. Would you *seriously* fit that yourself rather than use a bell transformer designed for continuous use? It's not simple, not certified, certainly not as reliable and awkward to explain to the insurance company when the firemen have left. Cheers -- Syd |
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On 08/11/16 18:31, Syd Rumpo wrote:
Would you *seriously* fit that yourself rather than use a bell transformer designed for continuous use? It's not simple, not certified, certainly not as reliable and awkward to explain to the insurance company when the firemen have left. GHiven that I was an audio circuit designer for may years, probably ';-) I thught he needed AC from DC? A 'bell transformer' only works from AC.. -- The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property. Karl Marx |
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On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 18:31:17 UTC, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 08/11/2016 17:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 08/11/16 17:43, Syd Rumpo wrote: On 08/11/2016 15:34, WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? If the power so low enough and audio amplifier fed from a 50Hz oscillator is one way. the audio amp can be the oscillator. Would you *seriously* fit that yourself rather than use a bell transformer designed for continuous use? I'd use a voltage regulator. It's not simple, it is not certified, what's that got to do with anything? certainly not as reliable no less reliable than any electronics. If you're competent you can do it to mil spec. and awkward to explain to the insurance company when the firemen have left. no it's not. Insurance doesn't exclude electronics, and it's trivial to make it not a fire risk. The only thing that might need ac is some small bells that work the wacker at 50Hz. NT |
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Doorbells... 18VDC in to 8VAC out?
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Syd Rumpo wrote: On 08/11/2016 17:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 08/11/16 17:43, Syd Rumpo wrote: On 08/11/2016 15:34, WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. There is no /simple/ way to convert. Best buy a transformer - it seems that 8V AC is quite a common doorbell voltage. For something that's connected to the mains and left unattended for years, I wouldn't fiddle about. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Friedland-D.../dp/B00EPESM2U If the power so low enough and audio amplifier fed from a 50Hz oscillator is one way. Would you *seriously* fit that yourself rather than use a bell transformer designed for continuous use? Of course. He's a very clever electronics design engineer. I'm told. By him. And his company went bankrupt. It's not simple, not certified, certainly not as reliable and awkward to explain to the insurance company when the firemen have left. Assuming the 18v supply can provide enough current - which is likely since an electronic device is replacing a mechanical one (I guess) a simple voltage regulator should do the job. Cheers -- *Virtual reality is its own reward * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 09/11/2016 00:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
snip Assuming the 18v supply can provide enough current - which is likely since an electronic device is replacing a mechanical one (I guess) a simple voltage regulator should do the job. Friedland make some doorbells which will *only* work on AC. They also make doorbells which work on 8V AC or 6V DC. The implication there is that the bisexual ones are solenoid operated and the higher AC is needed to overcome the coil impedance at 50Hz. Page 62 of this... https://www.friedland.co.uk/Document...gue%202008.pdf Why guess? I'm sure you've come across these on old houses - the illuminated push button with a dim under-run (for longevity) lamp which goes out when you press the bell. Cheers -- Syd |
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Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 08/11/2016 15:34, WeeBob wrote: Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. There is no /simple/ way to convert. Best buy a transformer - it seems that 8V AC is quite a common doorbell voltage. For something that's connected to the mains and left unattended for years, I wouldn't fiddle about. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Friedland-D.../dp/B00EPESM2U Cheers This. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 08/11/2016 15:34, WeeBob wrote:
Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. It all depends on why it needs an AC supply. If its then rectifying the 8V AC to get a 12V DC supply you may find that the first component in the doorbell is a bridge rectifier followed by a smoothing capacitor. If this is the arrangement you could feed in DC - and possibly the 18V you already have. Assumptions: a bridge rectifier as the first component and 18V is the no load voltage that possibly would drop under load Do you have a photo of the innards of the doorbell showing any components that may related to a power supply? -- mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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"WeeBob" wrote in message ... Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? It may well not care about getting DC instead of AC, it might well just rectify that and rectifying DC will still work fine. Not always tho, particularly with more fancy stuff like modems, and external hard drives, they can generate a variety of voltages from the AC and when supplied by DC can't do that. The difference between 18V and 8V is more of a problem tho and it isnt trivial to reduce that without using a voltage regulator that you presumably dont know much about if you have to ask. |
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On 08/11/2016 15:34, WeeBob wrote:
Hello. I have an old wired doorbell that has an 18V DC power supply. The actually transformer has been (I think) channelled into the wall, or underfloor boards in the attic. i.e. hard to get to. A new fancy doorbell requires connection to a 8V AC power supply. Is there a simple way to do this? i.e. 18V DV in, 8V AC out? Thanks. Some esoteric answers ... just buy the correct transformer and run in a new piece of bell wire ... its so small you will forget its there in a weeks time. |
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