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Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all.
Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta |
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On 31/08/2016 21:16, misterroy wrote:
Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Modern car batts don't respond well if deep discharged - so there is a fair chance it well on the way to knackered. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Rumm writes On 31/08/2016 21:16, misterroy wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Modern car batts don't respond well if deep discharged - so there is a fair chance it well on the way to knackered. Car batts ever have responded well to being discharged. The op may well find that something like an alarm or immobiliser is slowly discharging the battery. If you are leaving it unused for some time best disconnect one lead. -- bert |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:47:28 +0100, bert wrote:
Car batts ever have responded well to being discharged. The op may well find that something like an alarm or immobiliser is slowly discharging the battery. yep, all manner of stuff is quietly running when the car is "off". Mine apparently is aware of this problem and if the battery voltage gets too low (FSVO "too low") it goes into a really deep sleep and has to be opened manually, via the one door that actually has a (hidden) key hole. If you are leaving it unused for some time best disconnect one lead. Or do as I did when I left my car unused for the last month. A small solar panel(*) on top of the dash board facing SE, connected to the battery. Car opened and started without a hint of a flat battery. Not conclusive, one would need to leave it for a month without the solar panel and see if it went into deep sleep, that's not going to happen. (*) Halfords/Maplin £15 15" x 5" ish, 12 V, 1.5 W, 86 mA at max power. -- Cheers Dave. |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message idual.net... On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:47:28 +0100, bert wrote: Car batts ever have responded well to being discharged. The op may well find that something like an alarm or immobiliser is slowly discharging the battery. yep, all manner of stuff is quietly running when the car is "off". Mine apparently is aware of this problem and if the battery voltage gets too low (FSVO "too low") it goes into a really deep sleep and has to be opened manually, via the one door that actually has a (hidden) key hole. If you are leaving it unused for some time best disconnect one lead. Or do as I did when I left my car unused for the last month. A small solar panel(*) on top of the dash board facing SE, connected to the battery. Car opened and started without a hint of a flat battery. Not conclusive, one would need to leave it for a month without the solar panel and see if it went into deep sleep, that's not going to happen. (*) Halfords/Maplin £15 15" x 5" ish, 12 V, 1.5 W, 86 mA at max power. Yep, this is progress. |
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On 01/09/16 03:28, bm wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message idual.net... On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:47:28 +0100, bert wrote: Car batts ever have responded well to being discharged. The op may well find that something like an alarm or immobiliser is slowly discharging the battery. yep, all manner of stuff is quietly running when the car is "off". Mine apparently is aware of this problem and if the battery voltage gets too low (FSVO "too low") it goes into a really deep sleep and has to be opened manually, via the one door that actually has a (hidden) key hole. If you are leaving it unused for some time best disconnect one lead. Or do as I did when I left my car unused for the last month. A small solar panel(*) on top of the dash board facing SE, connected to the battery. Car opened and started without a hint of a flat battery. Not conclusive, one would need to leave it for a month without the solar panel and see if it went into deep sleep, that's not going to happen. (*) Halfords/Maplin £15 15" x 5" ish, 12 V, 1.5 W, 86 mA at max power. Yep, this is progress. Finally, a use for a solar panel. -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage." |
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On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 22:50:13 UTC+1, bert wrote:
In article , John Rumm writes On 31/08/2016 21:16, misterroy wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Modern car batts don't respond well if deep discharged - so there is a fair chance it well on the way to knackered. Car batts ever have responded well to being discharged. The op may well find that something like an alarm or immobiliser is slowly discharging the battery. If you are leaving it unused for some time best disconnect one lead. -- bert NOT a good idea on some modern cars. The on board computer may loose it's program if disconnected. |
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harry wrote:
NOT a good idea on some modern cars. The on board computer may loose it's program if disconnected. Is there, literally, anything you're not wrong about? -- Scott Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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On 01/09/16 09:12, Scott M wrote:
harry wrote: NOT a good idea on some modern cars. The on board computer may loose it's program if disconnected. Is there, literally, anything you're not wrong about? Well to be fair SOME onboard computers may lose SOME of their *configurations* Examples a car radio anti-theft kicking in and needing the code to be re-entered. *some* immobilisers kicking in, and the car won't start *some* other systems losing their marbles. ISTR that sometimes window warning lights come on until various resets establish where 'window closed' is.. -- "I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun". |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 09:12:00 +0100, Scott M wrote:
harry wrote: NOT a good idea on some modern cars. The on board computer may loose it's program if disconnected. Is there, literally, anything you're not wrong about? Not to mention the spelling and grammar errors! -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Scott M wrote: harry wrote: NOT a good idea on some modern cars. The on board computer may loose it's program if disconnected. Is there, literally, anything you're not wrong about? OBC usually refers to a user 'computer' on the car that does things like MPG and journey times, etc. The ones which control the engine etc more commonly called an ECU. (electronic control unit) It's quite possible a flat battery can cause some things to be lost. Maybe the radio station memory. But a very poor design if it is anything important. Many ECUs do 'learn' how the car is driven to some extent. But should default back to the factory settings if the battery is disconnected for some time. And quickly learn again. The ECU controlling an auto gearbox being the obvious one. But in any case updates quickly if you alter your driving style. -- *A bicycle can't stand alone because it's two tyred.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Scott M wrote:
harry wrote: NOT a good idea on some modern cars. The on board computer may loose it's program if disconnected. Is there, literally, anything you're not wrong about? *Tsk*. Lose not loose and its, not it's. On board should either be one word or hyphenated. The rest of it's ******** too. ;-) Tim -- Trolls AND TROLL FEEDERS all go in my kill file |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:57:49 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:
If you are leaving it unused for some time best disconnect one lead. NOT a good idea on some modern cars. The on board computer may loose it's program if disconnected. Not heard of any car that becomes brain dead or confused if it any of its computers loses power. The ECU may well forget the engine settings but it will then load a basic "these will work" set and relearn the engine over the next hundred miles or so. Note "computers", a modern car has loads of the things. Very few if any sub-systems don't have a processor of some sort controling/watching over/reporting that sub-system. "Sub-system" can mean a single door... -- Cheers Dave. |
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misterroy wrote:
Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Alas probably yes. If you're using the car that infrequently it may be time to think about alternatives. Hiring a car once a month would be a lot cheaper that keeping/taxing/insuring/replacing the battery on a car used that infrequently. Tim -- Trolls AND TROLL FEEDERS all go in my kill file |
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On 8/31/2016 10:34 PM, Tim+ wrote:
misterroy wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Alas probably yes. If you're using the car that infrequently it may be time to think about alternatives. Hiring a car once a month would be a lot cheaper that keeping/taxing/insuring/replacing the battery on a car used that infrequently. Tim The other solution, unless it is parked on the road, is to keep it wired up to a small trickle charger. A motorbike one would be enough. I have a small van which is sometimes left for a month or so, and it has a small battery which is readily flattened if the lights are left on (e.g. in a shopping centre car park: being a very basic van it does not have a "bleeper"). My "fix" for that is to keep something similar to this in it. (Also comes in handy as a phone charger). These hold their charge for ~ 6 months. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50800mAh-C...sAAOSwnNBXbM-h |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:45:04 +0100, newshound
wrote: On 8/31/2016 10:34 PM, Tim+ wrote: misterroy wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Alas probably yes. If you're using the car that infrequently it may be time to think about alternatives. Hiring a car once a month would be a lot cheaper that keeping/taxing/insuring/replacing the battery on a car used that infrequently. Tim The other solution, unless it is parked on the road, is to keep it wired up to a small trickle charger. A motorbike one would be enough. Or a small solar panel on the dash (depending on which way it's facing of course). ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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T i m wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:45:04 +0100, newshound wrote: On 8/31/2016 10:34 PM, Tim+ wrote: wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Alas probably yes. If you're using the car that infrequently it may be time to think about alternatives. Hiring a car once a month would be a lot cheaper that keeping/taxing/insuring/replacing the battery on a car used that infrequently. Tim The other solution, unless it is parked on the road, is to keep it wired up to a small trickle charger. A motorbike one would be enough. Or a small solar panel on the dash (depending on which way it's facing of course). ;-) Cheers, T i m IME these don't charge sufficiently. |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 12:28:19 +0100, Capitol wrote:
Or a small solar panel on the dash (depending on which way it's facing of course). ;-) IME these don't charge sufficiently. Worked for me. At least the car was quite happy when I came to unlock and start it up after being left for a month. I don't intend to perform the opposite test leave it a month without the solar panel. I might see if I can measure how much draw there is once it's been "off" overnight as cars tend to have several sleep states. But even if the solar panel is only providing half of what is taken that doubles the lenght of time it takes for the car to go into a coma. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 01/09/2016 12:28, Capitol wrote:
T i m wrote: On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:45:04 +0100, newshound wrote: On 8/31/2016 10:34 PM, Tim+ wrote: wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Alas probably yes. If you're using the car that infrequently it may be time to think about alternatives. Hiring a car once a month would be a lot cheaper that keeping/taxing/insuring/replacing the battery on a car used that infrequently. Tim The other solution, unless it is parked on the road, is to keep it wired up to a small trickle charger. A motorbike one would be enough. Or a small solar panel on the dash (depending on which way it's facing of course). ;-) Cheers, T i m IME these don't charge sufficiently. Perhaps you should claim a FiT for them then... that seems to make solar panels charge nicely ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Tim+ wrote:
wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Alas probably yes. If you're using the car that infrequently it may be time to think about alternatives. Hiring a car once a month would be a lot cheaper that keeping/taxing/insuring/replacing the battery on a car used that infrequently. Tim Fit a battery isolating switch. Battery should stay up for about 3 months minimum.Would then need recharging. Alternatively fit a plug in trickle charger. I have to do this on one of our cars. |
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"misterroy" wrote in message ... Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Mine went flat overnight when (it seems) the AC fan didn't turn off, I didn't realise. I charged it up and its been fine ever since. I always check now that the car is making no noise (after a few mins). Ford Fiesta crud (progress). If you get the battery checked somewhere (which will prolly screw it [drawing zillions of amps forever]), buy a new one |
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On 31/08/16 21:16, misterroy wrote:
Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Do you have a car alarm or something that is draining the battery? -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage." |
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In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote: On 31/08/16 21:16, misterroy wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Do you have a car alarm or something that is draining the battery? or a radio? -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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Huge wrote: On 2016-09-01, charles wrote: In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 31/08/16 21:16, misterroy wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? ta Do you have a car alarm or something that is draining the battery? or a radio? Most modern cars still draw current even when switched off. Dunno what you mean by modern. Some car radios needed a standby battery feed 40 years ago. And obviously anything with an alarm. -- *Never miss a good chance to shut up.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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misterroy wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? You'd need to contact the maker and see how long they reckon it can be left without use. Remember reading of one where the makers said it couldn't be left for three weeks while going on holiday... -- *I yell because I care Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In , wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? You'd need to contact the maker and see how long they reckon it can be left without use. Remember reading of one where the makers said it couldn't be left for three weeks while going on holiday... Chrysler Voyager. |
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On 01/09/16 12:37, Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In , wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? You'd need to contact the maker and see how long they reckon it can be left without use. Remember reading of one where the makers said it couldn't be left for three weeks while going on holiday... Chrysler Voyager. Sell it. -- Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/09/16 12:37, Capitol wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In , wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? You'd need to contact the maker and see how long they reckon it can be left without use. Remember reading of one where the makers said it couldn't be left for three weeks while going on holiday... Chrysler Voyager. Sell it. Why? Most of the Chrysler products fom 1995 to 2012 approx have the same problem. Providing you know about it it's not important. A friend with a new 2016 Subaru has exactly the same thing occurring. It's known as a design improvement!!! |
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On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 2:43:57 PM UTC+1, Capitol wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 01/09/16 12:37, Capitol wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In , wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? You'd need to contact the maker and see how long they reckon it can be left without use. Remember reading of one where the makers said it couldn't be left for three weeks while going on holiday... Chrysler Voyager. Sell it. Why? Most of the Chrysler products fom 1995 to 2012 approx have the same problem. Providing you know about it it's not important. A friend with a new 2016 Subaru has exactly the same thing occurring. It's known as a design improvement!!! have a solar charger, I will try it if the sale of the car falls through. |
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car battery, limited use, newish not taking a charge
On 01/09/2016 13:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/09/16 12:37, Capitol wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In , wrote: Hi, I have a car that is not used much. I bought a new battery last easter and moved the car when I took the battery home. About a month later I went to move the car again and the battery was dead, no ignition light. I cant remember how I charged it. The two subsequent times I have tried to move it the battery has had to be charged and I have used a fancy charger borrowed from a friend because my bog standard charger cant put charge into it at all. Is the battery likely to be knackered? Is it my fault for leaving it for a month to loose the charge? You'd need to contact the maker and see how long they reckon it can be left without use. Remember reading of one where the makers said it couldn't be left for three weeks while going on holiday... Chrysler Voyager. Sell it. For yours to have gone fully flat something is discharging it .... put an ammeter on the lead to check for current draw .. if none you may have a faulty cell dragging the battery down. If it is not sealed check each cell with hydrometer - or get it fully charged and do a drop test on it. Buy a multi-stage charger and leave it connected to the battery. I have a winch in my boat shed top winch in boat and trailer ..... I leave battery permanently hooked up to a CTEK MKS 5 smartcharger When you first hook it up it does a full recondition charge. Got mine for a good price on eBay I also have batteries on boat which are intermittent use so have an reverse pulse anti-sulphitation unit on these (extralifepulse.com) it stops sulphate build up which happens when batteries are left idle. Never had to change a battery. |
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