Hello,

How anal do I need to be when making a partition wall and using a
spirit level?

I stripped some plasterboard off an existing wall, but notice that
when I put a spirit level against the studs, the bubble is within the
centre but touching the line on one side. (I have turned the level
around to check it is not the level).

I tried to google what the lines on the spirit level mean, and I can't
find a definite answer, but one that sounded right is that you should
slope gutters with the bubble touching one line to give the correct
fall. I think it said this was 2% but for a 2.4m high wall, that would
mean the bottom would be almost 5cm out from the top!

I don't think I noticed the wall being that angled before but may be
the plaster hid some of it? I am hoping to tile the wall, so I am
concerned any deviation from true might be more apparent when the wall
is covered in tiles.

Does the bubble have to be absolutely dead centre or am I trying to
hard. What are the accepted tolerances?

Thanks,
Stephen.

I presume you have the spirit level position vertically and are using one of the vials that are position at right angles to the surface.

If you hold one end against the wall and move the other end of the level away from the wall to the position where the bubble is perfectly central, then look at how far the level is from the wall. If it's a tiny distance then fair enough, if it's a finger's width of something you know you've got a problem!

Imagine the wedge-shaped gap between level and wall and how its bigger end would grow wider if you were to have a level that was six feet long.

On 31/08/2016 19:12, Stephen wrote:
Hello,

How anal do I need to be when making a partition wall and using a
spirit level?

Not massively. If it looks right, then it is right ;-)

I stripped some plasterboard off an existing wall, but notice that
when I put a spirit level against the studs, the bubble is within the
centre but touching the line on one side. (I have turned the level
around to check it is not the level).

If I am building a stud wall from scratch, then I avoid driving the
nails holding the foot or head plate in place fully home until after its
fully built (but not clad). That way you can pull the nails out enough,
and tap the base or head of the wall over a bit with a large hammer
should you need to.

I tried to google what the lines on the spirit level mean, and I can't
find a definite answer, but one that sounded right is that you should
slope gutters with the bubble touching one line to give the correct
fall. I think it said this was 2% but for a 2.4m high wall, that would
mean the bottom would be almost 5cm out from the top!

I don't think I noticed the wall being that angled before but may be
the plaster hid some of it? I am hoping to tile the wall, so I am
concerned any deviation from true might be more apparent when the wall
is covered in tiles.

The wall itself will not show a problem, but a corner may. The trick
with tiles is to position them such that you don't get narrow strips of
tile running into a corner - since those will show any error in the
plumb of the wall far more than half or fuller tiles.

Does the bubble have to be absolutely dead centre or am I trying to
hard. What are the accepted tolerances?




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John.

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On 31/08/2016 21:02, John Rumm wrote:
Does the bubble have to be absolutely dead centre or am I trying to
hard. What are the accepted tolerances?

I think sometimes we are too clinical. I remodelled a shower room a few
months back and came on here for advice as the walls were all over the
place, it was driving me insane. The advice given was `if it looks right
then it is ok` so I followed advice and although if I use a spirit some
walls are out of plumb it actually looks ok.

Its a balancing act if some of your walls were out of plumb before and
you never noticed then dont fret about it. I take the view nowadays
that I made an improvement, it may not be perfect but it is better than
what it was.

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On 31/08/2016 21:02, John Rumm wrote:
Does the bubble have to be absolutely dead centre or am I trying to
hard. What are the accepted tolerances?

I think sometimes we are too clinical. I remodelled a shower room a few
months back and came on here for advice as the walls were all over the
place, it was driving me insane. The advice given was `if it looks right
then it is ok` so I followed advice and although if I use a spirit some
walls are out of plumb it actually looks ok.

Its a balancing act if some of your walls were out of plumb before and you
never noticed then dont fret about it. I take the view nowadays that I
made an improvement, it may not be perfect but it is better than what it
was.

A problem arises when you have to get 2 (or 3) doors (1 sliding) and a wall
aligned in a square format. I pretty much gave up and spread the errors.

Blimey, the walls in this house are all over the place and yes it can notice
if tiles or lined pattererned wallpaper are used, but one gets used to it.
Brian

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Hello,

How anal do I need to be when making a partition wall and using a
spirit level?

I stripped some plasterboard off an existing wall, but notice that
when I put a spirit level against the studs, the bubble is within the
centre but touching the line on one side. (I have turned the level
around to check it is not the level).

I tried to google what the lines on the spirit level mean, and I can't
find a definite answer, but one that sounded right is that you should
slope gutters with the bubble touching one line to give the correct
fall. I think it said this was 2% but for a 2.4m high wall, that would
mean the bottom would be almost 5cm out from the top!

I don't think I noticed the wall being that angled before but may be
the plaster hid some of it? I am hoping to tile the wall, so I am
concerned any deviation from true might be more apparent when the wall
is covered in tiles.

Does the bubble have to be absolutely dead centre or am I trying to
hard. What are the accepted tolerances?

Thanks,
Stephen.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 23:00:59 +0100, ss wrote:

I think sometimes we are too clinical. I remodelled a shower room a few
months back and came on here for advice as the walls were all over the
place, it was driving me insane. The advice given was `if it looks right
then it is ok` so I followed advice and although if I use a spirit some
walls are out of plumb it actually looks ok.

Its a balancing act if some of your walls were out of plumb before and
you never noticed then dont fret about it. I take the view nowadays
that I made an improvement, it may not be perfect but it is better than
what it was.

Sorry for the delay. I was busy at work and the DIY was postponed
until the weekend.

I think that if I followed your advice, I would be finished in half
the time! I suppose I need to be pragmatic, rather than perfectionist.

I was hoping to buy an 8' piece of timber, hold it plumb, and measure
the gap to tell you.

I went to Wickes but I'm not sure their wood was any straighter than
the wall!

I think that with the timber touching the wall at the bottom, the top
is about a quarter of an inch away at the top. I could not measure
exactly as I did not have enough hands and had misplaced my plastic
packers.

Switching units, over the height of the wall that's 12/2400*100=0.5%
Put that way, it doesn't sound too extreme. I will follow John's
advice and try not to get small bits of tile near the edge to
accentuate this.

Thanks again,
Stephen.