On 25/06/2016 21:31, alan_m wrote:

It seems now that you don't have to be a EU
member to also be a member of NATO or take part in police and terrorist
information co-operation etc. etc. etc.


Who exactly said we did?

On 25/06/2016 14:33, Richard wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 24/06/2016 19:49, Andrew wrote:
On 24/06/2016 19:00, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/06/2016 18:17, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/06/16 17:59, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Some investment banks are already moving jobs out. Morgan Stanley
have
announced the move of 2000 jobs to Ireland/Frankfurt.

Oh,

so some city wanksters are going to lose their jobs

poor dears

Very good. And the places they spend their inflated salaries in? And
so on?


I've never been persuaded by the trickle-down argument.

Where do you think the cash comes from to pay McDonald's staff and
other
services from if it isn't trickle down?

Certainly *not* from overpaid city gamblers. Do MacDonalds put
edible gold leaf on their burgers, or sell champagne at £250
a bottle to attract JP Morgan employees ?.


So where do they get it from then?

Do you eat at McDonalds?

No but some of the staff at Lidl do and that's trickle down in action.
It doesn't mean some billionaire goes and spend money in McDs (even if
they do) it means they spend it in shops, getting trades in to do jobs
and they spend what they get.

On 25/06/2016 16:29, Capitol wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
On 24/06/2016 19:49, Andrew wrote:
On 24/06/2016 19:00, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/06/2016 18:17, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/06/16 17:59, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Some investment banks are already moving jobs out. Morgan Stanley
have
announced the move of 2000 jobs to Ireland/Frankfurt.

Oh,

so some city wanksters are going to lose their jobs

poor dears

Very good. And the places they spend their inflated salaries in? And
so on?


I've never been persuaded by the trickle-down argument.

Where do you think the cash comes from to pay McDonald's staff and
other
services from if it isn't trickle down?

Certainly *not* from overpaid city gamblers. Do MacDonalds put
edible gold leaf on their burgers, or sell champagne at £250
a bottle to attract JP Morgan employees ?.


So where do they get it from then?


Strangely enough, around here, people work for money and do a pretty
good job. Maybe that's why we have a can do ethic and don't have
significant unemployment.

Yes and that is trickle down.

On 25/06/2016 15:19, tim... wrote:

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 24/06/2016 18:17, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/06/16 17:59, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Some investment banks are already moving jobs out. Morgan Stanley
have
announced the move of 2000 jobs to Ireland/Frankfurt.

Oh,

so some city wanksters are going to lose their jobs

poor dears

Very good. And the places they spend their inflated salaries in? And
so on?


I've never been persuaded by the trickle-down argument.

Where do you think the cash comes from to pay McDonald's staff and
other services from if it isn't trickle down?

from normal people.

trickle down is supposed to come from the mega million pound salaries of
exces on the theory that if we enable them to earn three times mega
millions they will buy three times as much normal "stuff" creating three
times as many extra jobs.

But they don't, they just spend it on a house in a more upmarket area at
a price which has been artificially inflated above its real value
because there are all of these mega million pound execs with more money
that they deserve competing to buy it.

The only bit that has trickeled down to any normal person in this
scenario is the salesman in the estate agent.

And the builder and the cleaner and the electricity suppliers staff and ...

And where does that money the estate agent gets go, or do you think it
just vanishes?

On 25/06/2016 14:36, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 25 June 2016 01:12:35 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Tim Watts
wrote:
On 24/06/16 17:59, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , tim...
wrote:
Some investment banks are already moving jobs out. Morgan
Stanley have announced the move of 2000 jobs to
Ireland/Frankfurt.

Oh,

so some city wanksters are going to lose their jobs

poor dears

Very good. And the places they spend their inflated salaries
in? And so on?


I've never been persuaded by the trickle-down argument.

I'd suggest you look at Aberdeen at the moment. Lots of restaurants
etc closing down due to the low oil prices so oil types losing
their jobs. And the housing market has crashed too. Worked stopped
on new builds.

It doesn't take a degree in economics to work out why.

Been falling for two years. Why blame Brexit?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-slowdown.html


He isn't, why not read what was said and try to understand it?

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , Tim Watts
writes
On 24/06/16 10:25, David Lang wrote:
On 24/06/2016 10:00, dennis@home wrote:
Pounds down against the dollar, shares are falling and the decision to
leave isn't even made(1).

It has been now. The money market is run by back street bookies, the
pound will recover in a week.

It probably will.


Some banker wakes up with a boil on his nads and the FTSE takes a dive. It
means nothing unless it is sustained.

It means nothing unless you also look at trading volumes

It means nothing even when you do, too easy to manipulate.

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , tim...
writes

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
T i m wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

snip

Quite the opposite. I'm not saying I know the answers, I'm
suggesting
most 'ordinary people' don't either yet are given the opportunity of
changing it for everyone. I didn't make a positive vote because I
have
enough intellect to be 100% sure I don't know what would be best for
everyone. Casting a coin toss vote (and that's all I've seen people
doing so far, given few have had any facts or can predict the
future)
makes me no better than them. That's (our) democracy though.


The so called economists don't know the future either.

Well, I'm happy to agree that not all of them do but I bet there are a
few who will get it pretty close.

So the view of the man in the street is as valid as anyone else's.

Wonder, since harry doesn't believe in experts as such, does he go to
his
dustman when ill, rather than a doctor? After all, doctors quite often
get
it wrong too.

See above.

I may be doing my fellow 'general public' a great disservice here but
I really don't think the majority have a clue. I'm not saying they are
stupid in general (far from it), just that where it comes to politics
we are too well off (comparatively) for any option to make much of a
difference (and I'm talking the more regular / common local / national
elections here).

Another problem with the referendum is so many voted who usually don't.
On
the basis of lies and false promises by the leave brigade.

instead of the lies and false promises by the Remain brigade you mean?

Has Osborne announced the date of his punishment budget yet?

tim


I don't think he's been seen since Friday morning.

That's because he has been furiously working on his punishment budget,
silly.

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , bert
wrote:
In article , tim...
writes

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article , T i m
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

snip

Quite the opposite. I'm not saying I know the answers, I'm
suggesting most 'ordinary people' don't either yet are given the
opportunity of changing it for everyone. I didn't make a positive
vote because I have enough intellect to be 100% sure I don't know
what would be best for everyone. Casting a coin toss vote (and
that's all I've seen people doing so far, given few have had any
facts or can predict the future) makes me no better than them.
That's (our) democracy though.


The so called economists don't know the future either.

Well, I'm happy to agree that not all of them do but I bet there are
a few who will get it pretty close.

So the view of the man in the street is as valid as anyone else's.

Wonder, since harry doesn't believe in experts as such, does he go to
his dustman when ill, rather than a doctor? After all, doctors quite
often get it wrong too.

See above.

I may be doing my fellow 'general public' a great disservice here but
I really don't think the majority have a clue. I'm not saying they
are stupid in general (far from it), just that where it comes to
politics we are too well off (comparatively) for any option to make
much of a difference (and I'm talking the more regular / common local
/ national elections here).

Another problem with the referendum is so many voted who usually
don't. On the basis of lies and false promises by the leave brigade.

instead of the lies and false promises by the Remain brigade you mean?

Has Osborne announced the date of his punishment budget yet?

tim


I don't think he's been seen since Friday morning.

and nor has Boris

Because he's been getting ****ed celebrating replacing Cameron.

In article om,
dennis@home wrote:
On 25/06/2016 15:19, tim... wrote:

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 24/06/2016 18:17, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/06/16 17:59, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Some investment banks are already moving jobs out. Morgan Stanley
have
announced the move of 2000 jobs to Ireland/Frankfurt.

Oh,

so some city wanksters are going to lose their jobs

poor dears

Very good. And the places they spend their inflated salaries in? And
so on?


I've never been persuaded by the trickle-down argument.

Where do you think the cash comes from to pay McDonald's staff and
other services from if it isn't trickle down?

from normal people.

trickle down is supposed to come from the mega million pound salaries of
exces on the theory that if we enable them to earn three times mega
millions they will buy three times as much normal "stuff" creating three
times as many extra jobs.

But they don't, they just spend it on a house in a more upmarket area at
a price which has been artificially inflated above its real value
because there are all of these mega million pound execs with more money
that they deserve competing to buy it.

The only bit that has trickeled down to any normal person in this
scenario is the salesman in the estate agent.

And the builder and the cleaner and the electricity suppliers staff and ...

And where does that money the estate agent gets go, or do you think it
just vanishes?

Round here, the estate agents support local charites and sports clubs - on
the basis that supporting a vibrant community helps encourage house sales.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Saturday, 25 June 2016 12:20:57 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
T i m wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

snip

Quite the opposite. I'm not saying I know the answers, I'm suggesting
most 'ordinary people' don't either yet are given the opportunity of
changing it for everyone. I didn't make a positive vote because I have
enough intellect to be 100% sure I don't know what would be best for
everyone. Casting a coin toss vote (and that's all I've seen people
doing so far, given few have had any facts or can predict the future)
makes me no better than them. That's (our) democracy though.


The so called economists don't know the future either.

Well, I'm happy to agree that not all of them do but I bet there are a
few who will get it pretty close.

So the view of the man in the street is as valid as anyone else's.

Wonder, since harry doesn't believe in experts as such, does he go to his
dustman when ill, rather than a doctor? After all, doctors quite often get
it wrong too.

These so called experts (ie economists)have consistently let us down when it mattered.
So they are either liars, incompetent or easily bought.

On Saturday, 25 June 2016 17:43:08 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/06/16 15:12, tim... wrote:

"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

I may be doing my fellow 'general public' a great disservice here but
I really don't think the majority have a clue. I'm not saying they are
stupid in general (far from it), just that where it comes to politics
we are too well off (comparatively) for any option to make much of a
difference (and I'm talking the more regular / common local / national
elections here).

Another problem with the referendum is so many voted who usually
don't. On
the basis of lies and false promises by the leave brigade. Odd that they
didn't believe in any promises made at general elections, so not worth
bothering to vote, but did with this one.

Another big problem, allegedly,

on no evidence at all



The only lies Dave wants you to believe are the ones he believes in

Dave doesn't believe in anything.
He just wants to make a pile of money for himself and his mates.

Eg, think Post Office.

On Saturday, 25 June 2016 15:12:05 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
T i m wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

snip

Quite the opposite. I'm not saying I know the answers, I'm suggesting
most 'ordinary people' don't either yet are given the opportunity of
changing it for everyone. I didn't make a positive vote because I have
enough intellect to be 100% sure I don't know what would be best for
everyone. Casting a coin toss vote (and that's all I've seen people
doing so far, given few have had any facts or can predict the future)
makes me no better than them. That's (our) democracy though.


The so called economists don't know the future either.

Well, I'm happy to agree that not all of them do but I bet there are a
few who will get it pretty close.

So the view of the man in the street is as valid as anyone else's.

Wonder, since harry doesn't believe in experts as such, does he go to his
dustman when ill, rather than a doctor? After all, doctors quite often get
it wrong too.

See above.

I may be doing my fellow 'general public' a great disservice here but
I really don't think the majority have a clue. I'm not saying they are
stupid in general (far from it), just that where it comes to politics
we are too well off (comparatively) for any option to make much of a
difference (and I'm talking the more regular / common local / national
elections here).

Another problem with the referendum is so many voted who usually don't. On
the basis of lies and false promises by the leave brigade.

instead of the lies and false promises by the Remain brigade you mean?

Has Osborne announced the date of his punishment budget yet?

tim

Has WW3 started?
Should I construct a DIY bomb shelter?

"alan_m" wrote in message
...
On 25/06/2016 15:11, tim... wrote:


instead of the lies and false promises by the Remain brigade you mean?

Has Osborne announced the date of his punishment budget yet?



A lot of politicians on the remain side were asked today when 'WW3' would
start or when the horrors of leavings would come about. I didn't hear one
straight answer. It seems now that you don't have to be a EU member to
also be a member of NATO

You never have had to have been. Even you must have noticed that the USA
isnt.

or take part in police and terrorist information co-operation etc. etc.
etc.

Ditto in spades.

On 26/06/16 01:05, Jack Samuel wrote:
as Osborne announced the date of his punishment budget yet?

tim


I don't think he's been seen since Friday morning.

and nor has Boris

Because he's been getting ****ed celebrating replacing Cameron.

playing cricket...


--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 25 June 2016 15:12:05 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
T i m wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

snip

Quite the opposite. I'm not saying I know the answers, I'm
suggesting
most 'ordinary people' don't either yet are given the opportunity
of
changing it for everyone. I didn't make a positive vote because I
have
enough intellect to be 100% sure I don't know what would be best
for
everyone. Casting a coin toss vote (and that's all I've seen people
doing so far, given few have had any facts or can predict the
future)
makes me no better than them. That's (our) democracy though.


The so called economists don't know the future either.

Well, I'm happy to agree that not all of them do but I bet there are a
few who will get it pretty close.

So the view of the man in the street is as valid as anyone else's.

Wonder, since harry doesn't believe in experts as such, does he go to
his
dustman when ill, rather than a doctor? After all, doctors quite often
get
it wrong too.

See above.

I may be doing my fellow 'general public' a great disservice here but
I really don't think the majority have a clue. I'm not saying they are
stupid in general (far from it), just that where it comes to politics
we are too well off (comparatively) for any option to make much of a
difference (and I'm talking the more regular / common local / national
elections here).

Another problem with the referendum is so many voted who usually don't.
On
the basis of lies and false promises by the leave brigade.

instead of the lies and false promises by the Remain brigade you mean?

Has Osborne announced the date of his punishment budget yet?

tim

Has WW3 started?

Haven't noticed any bombs falling, or tanks coming thru the chunnel.

Should I construct a DIY bomb shelter?

No way, you'd get those damned Poles to dig it and that
would stop them ****ing off to back where they came from.

"alan_m" wrote in message
...
On 25/06/2016 15:11, tim... wrote:

or take part in police and terrorist information co-operation etc. etc.
etc.

That was the absolute silliest of their lies.

tim

"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 25/06/2016 21:31, alan_m wrote:

It seems now that you don't have to be a EU
member to also be a member of NATO or take part in police and terrorist
information co-operation etc. etc. etc.


Who exactly said we did?

the Remainers

tim

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 25/06/2016 15:19, tim... wrote:

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 24/06/2016 18:17, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/06/16 17:59, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Some investment banks are already moving jobs out. Morgan Stanley
have
announced the move of 2000 jobs to Ireland/Frankfurt.

Oh,

so some city wanksters are going to lose their jobs

poor dears

Very good. And the places they spend their inflated salaries in? And
so on?


I've never been persuaded by the trickle-down argument.

Where do you think the cash comes from to pay McDonald's staff and
other services from if it isn't trickle down?

from normal people.

trickle down is supposed to come from the mega million pound salaries of
exces on the theory that if we enable them to earn three times mega
millions they will buy three times as much normal "stuff" creating three
times as many extra jobs.

But they don't, they just spend it on a house in a more upmarket area at
a price which has been artificially inflated above its real value
because there are all of these mega million pound execs with more money
that they deserve competing to buy it.

The only bit that has trickeled down to any normal person in this
scenario is the salesman in the estate agent.

And the builder and the cleaner and the electricity suppliers staff and
...

they employed these people before

moving from a house in Highgate to one in Belgravia does not mean that they
need more of anything at all.


And where does that money the estate agent gets go, or do you think it
just vanishes?

I accept it is money that trickles down. The point is, it is a tiny
percentage of the total amount of the multi-millionaires new wealth, none of
the rest of which trickles down.

tim

On 26/06/2016 13:43, tim... wrote:

"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 25/06/2016 21:31, alan_m wrote:

It seems now that you don't have to be a EU
member to also be a member of NATO or take part in police and terrorist
information co-operation etc. etc. etc.


Who exactly said we did?

the Remainers

Who do you claim said that?

In article ,
harry writes
On Saturday, 25 June 2016 15:12:05 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
T i m wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

snip

Quite the opposite. I'm not saying I know the answers, I'm suggesting
most 'ordinary people' don't either yet are given the opportunity of
changing it for everyone. I didn't make a positive vote because I have
enough intellect to be 100% sure I don't know what would be best for
everyone. Casting a coin toss vote (and that's all I've seen people
doing so far, given few have had any facts or can predict the future)
makes me no better than them. That's (our) democracy though.


The so called economists don't know the future either.

Well, I'm happy to agree that not all of them do but I bet there are a
few who will get it pretty close.

So the view of the man in the street is as valid as anyone else's.

Wonder, since harry doesn't believe in experts as such, does he go to his
dustman when ill, rather than a doctor? After all, doctors quite often get
it wrong too.

See above.

I may be doing my fellow 'general public' a great disservice here but
I really don't think the majority have a clue. I'm not saying they are
stupid in general (far from it), just that where it comes to politics
we are too well off (comparatively) for any option to make much of a
difference (and I'm talking the more regular / common local / national
elections here).

Another problem with the referendum is so many voted who usually don't. On
the basis of lies and false promises by the leave brigade.

instead of the lies and false promises by the Remain brigade you mean?

Has Osborne announced the date of his punishment budget yet?

tim

Has WW3 started?
Should I construct a DIY bomb shelter?
No but Junkers (?) is doing his best by calling for punitive measures
against the UK to damage our economy. Sort of thing which kicked of WW2
in the Pacific.
--
bert

On 26/06/16 21:47, bert wrote:
Has WW3 started?
Should I construct a DIY bomb shelter?
No but Junkers (?) is doing his best by calling for punitive measures
against the UK to damage our economy. Sort of thing which kicked of WW2
in the Pacific.

Yes - Juncker is exactly like the sort of drunken arseholes that started
wars in the 18th century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Jenkins%27_Ear


--
No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.