Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

On 11/05/2016 18:03, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

You don't - you make it less efficient by making it less powerful. Ego
it will use slightly more energy over all, but it uses "less power" (if
you are a politician)

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On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:03:29 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

Oh, that 2014 fabricated scare-story's come out of hibernation, has it?

What a surprise.

Even the Telegraph backtracked on it a few months ago.

On 11/05/2016 18:30, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:03:29 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

Oh, that 2014 fabricated scare-story's come out of hibernation, has it?

What a surprise.

Even the Telegraph backtracked on it a few months ago.

Well its not come out of hibernation yet - its been put on the "back
burner" (If we are still allowed to have such things) until after the
referendum in case it makes people vote to leave.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/36642906-d...#axzz48NVyRLIh

But after the referendum I will wager its "full steam ahead" (well
partial steam ahead anyway from our new low power kettles).

--
Chris B (News)

Chris B wrote:
On 11/05/2016 18:30, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:03:29 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

Oh, that 2014 fabricated scare-story's come out of hibernation, has it?

What a surprise.

Even the Telegraph backtracked on it a few months ago.

Well its not come out of hibernation yet - its been put on the "back
burner" (If we are still allowed to have such things) until after the
referendum in case it makes people vote to leave.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/36642906-d...#axzz48NVyRLIh


But after the referendum I will wager its "full steam ahead" (well
partial steam ahead anyway from our new low power kettles).


Oh dear, back to buying for stock again! I'm sure the real reason
is to lower electricity demand as the generating capacity is being
destroyed by the EU eco warriors. Back to coal fires people.

On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 23:08:56 UTC+1, Capitol wrote:
Chris B wrote:
On 11/05/2016 18:30, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:03:29 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

Oh, that 2014 fabricated scare-story's come out of hibernation, has it?

What a surprise.

Even the Telegraph backtracked on it a few months ago.

Well its not come out of hibernation yet - its been put on the "back
burner" (If we are still allowed to have such things) until after the
referendum in case it makes people vote to leave.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/36642906-d...#axzz48NVyRLIh


But after the referendum I will wager its "full steam ahead" (well
partial steam ahead anyway from our new low power kettles).


Oh dear, back to buying for stock again! I'm sure the real reason
is to lower electricity demand as the generating capacity is being
destroyed by the EU eco warriors. Back to coal fires people.

Toast tasted better on an open fire from what I remmeber.

On 11/05/2016 23:08, Capitol wrote:
Chris B wrote:
On 11/05/2016 18:30, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:03:29 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

Oh, that 2014 fabricated scare-story's come out of hibernation, has it?

What a surprise.

Even the Telegraph backtracked on it a few months ago.

Well its not come out of hibernation yet - its been put on the "back
burner" (If we are still allowed to have such things) until after the
referendum in case it makes people vote to leave.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/36642906-d...#axzz48NVyRLIh


But after the referendum I will wager its "full steam ahead" (well
partial steam ahead anyway from our new low power kettles).


Oh dear, back to buying for stock again! I'm sure the real reason is
to lower electricity demand as the generating capacity is being
destroyed by the EU eco warriors. Back to coal fires people.

But will lower powered kettles, ovens, toasters and other heating
devices lower demand? The power of each will be lower, but as each will
need to be on for longer, there is likely to be a greater overlap and
therefore more operating at any one time. It *might* have an effect at
the ad break in a major event, but that's about all - and that is
already planned for and places like Dinorwig are brought online for the
surge.

On Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:52:48 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/05/2016 23:08, Capitol wrote:
Chris B wrote:
On 11/05/2016 18:30, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:03:29 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

Oh, that 2014 fabricated scare-story's come out of hibernation, has it?

What a surprise.

Even the Telegraph backtracked on it a few months ago.

Well its not come out of hibernation yet - its been put on the "back
burner" (If we are still allowed to have such things) until after the
referendum in case it makes people vote to leave.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/36642906-d...#axzz48NVyRLIh


But after the referendum I will wager its "full steam ahead" (well
partial steam ahead anyway from our new low power kettles).


Oh dear, back to buying for stock again! I'm sure the real reason is
to lower electricity demand as the generating capacity is being
destroyed by the EU eco warriors. Back to coal fires people.

But will lower powered kettles, ovens, toasters and other heating
devices lower demand?

That's the 'logic' I just don't get. if I have a kettle that is half the power it will take twice as long to heat up, so it'll be on twice as long possible more due to loses.


The power of each will be lower, but as each will
need to be on for longer, there is likely to be a greater overlap and
therefore more operating at any one time. It *might* have an effect at
the ad break in a major event, but that's about all - and that is
already planned for and places like Dinorwig are brought online for the
surge.

yes and I'm not sure a 300 watt kettle would actually boil enough to make a decent cup of tea.

On 11/05/2016 20:48, Chris B wrote:
On 11/05/2016 18:30, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:03:29 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

Oh, that 2014 fabricated scare-story's come out of hibernation, has it?

What a surprise.

Even the Telegraph backtracked on it a few months ago.

Well its not come out of hibernation yet - its been put on the "back
burner" (If we are still allowed to have such things) until after the
referendum in case it makes people vote to leave.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/36642906-d...#axzz48NVyRLIh


But after the referendum I will wager its "full steam ahead" (well
partial steam ahead anyway from our new low power kettles).

Neighbour went into our local garden centre, part of Wyvale Gardens
and selected some weed'n'feed for his lawn but when he tried to pay
for it the computer said no. Apparently another EU dictat has become
law recently and the staff didn't know the offending stuff was still
on the shelf. They wouldn't sell it to him.

Strangely enough there seems to have been an increase in the number of
people offering to 'de-weed and green your lawn' (for a huge price).
Have garden chemicals been restricted to 'professional use' recently ?.

On Thu, 12 May 2016 16:12:42 +0100, Andrew wrote:

Neighbour went into our local garden centre, part of Wyvale Gardens and
selected some weed'n'feed for his lawn but when he tried to pay for it
the computer said no. Apparently another EU dictat has become law
recently and the staff didn't know the offending stuff was still on the
shelf. They wouldn't sell it to him.

And what WAS wrong with agent orange, anyway? Why can't we just buy that
over the counter?

Strangely enough there seems to have been an increase in the number of
people offering to 'de-weed and green your lawn' (for a huge price).
Have garden chemicals been restricted to 'professional use' recently ?.

No, it's just that there's a **** of a lot of terminally indolent people
who are happy to spend money rather than get off their backsides,
especially if the spendiness is wrapped up as a nice monthly DD.

Tim Streater wrote:

There was some talk that glyphosate was for the chop, too, so I got
another litre bottle of 360gm/litre from B&Q the other day. £25

under £15 from amazonbay.

In message
Tim Streater wrote:


[snip]


There was some talk that glyphosate was for the chop, too, so I got
another litre bottle of 360gm/litre from B&Q the other day. £25, which
didn't compute since previously it's been more like £40.
[snip]

That makes the 5 litres of Gallup 360 I found for £25 delivered last
week seem rather good value :-)


--
Jim White
Wimbledon London England
The school deep frier is not a toy

On 12/05/2016 22:34, Tim Streater wrote:

There was some talk that glyphosate was for the chop, too,

I think its still up for debate soon, and it looks like there is
widespread support for a ban in europe (with a small e), the EU seem to
be in favour of the stuff.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ned-glyphosate

There was a question about it on GQT a few weeks ago and the wisdom of
the panel seemed to be that the fear was that it was carcinogenic, but
that there is little evidence that glyposate is harmful when used as
directed, but there is much more doubt about some of the surfactants now
being added to make it more effective.

Panel believed most likely outcome was a ban for amateurs but the big
business would still be able to use it.

so I got
another litre bottle of 360gm/litre from B&Q the other day. £25, which
didn't compute since previously it's been more like £40.

Was that the Roundup brand? I found some on the "discontinued" shelf in
my local B&Q at the same price. Fearing that this was a harbinger of
the situation above I picked some up, but when I went round to the
normal shelf the "New Formulation" product was still there but at I
think £48/litre. Quite what the "new formulation" is I don't know as it
is still described as 360g/lt.

http://www.diy.com/departments/round...1315292_BQ.prd



Bizarre.



--
Chris B (News)

In article , Andrew
writes
On 11/05/2016 20:48, Chris B wrote:
On 11/05/2016 18:30, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:03:29 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

Oh, that 2014 fabricated scare-story's come out of hibernation, has it?

What a surprise.

Even the Telegraph backtracked on it a few months ago.

Well its not come out of hibernation yet - its been put on the "back
burner" (If we are still allowed to have such things) until after the
referendum in case it makes people vote to leave.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/36642906-d...247e4.html#axz
z48NVyRLIh


But after the referendum I will wager its "full steam ahead" (well
partial steam ahead anyway from our new low power kettles).

Neighbour went into our local garden centre, part of Wyvale Gardens
and selected some weed'n'feed for his lawn but when he tried to pay
for it the computer said no. Apparently another EU dictat has become
law recently and the staff didn't know the offending stuff was still
on the shelf. They wouldn't sell it to him.

Strangely enough there seems to have been an increase in the number of
people offering to 'de-weed and green your lawn' (for a huge price).
Have garden chemicals been restricted to 'professional use' recently ?.




It was proposed/implemented recently in Holland but not sure if it is
enshrined in EU law yet.
--
bert

En el artÃ*culo , bert
escribió:

It was proposed/implemented recently in Holland but not sure if it is
enshrined in EU law yet.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...sate-unlikely-
to-pose-risk-to-humans-unwho-study-says

q

Glyphosate, the key ingredient in Monsantos Roundup weedkiller brand,
has been given a clean bill of health by the UNs joint meeting on
pesticides residues (JMPR), two days before a crunch EU vote on whether
to relicense it.

The co-analysis by the UNs Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) and
World Health Organisation found that the chemical was 'unlikely to pose
a carcinogenic risk to humans from exposure through the diet'.

This finding flatly contradicts an assessment by the WHOs cancer agency
last year that the herbicide solution was 'probably carcinogenic to
humans'

/q

--
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(='.'=) Windows 10: less of an OS, more of a drive-by mugging.
(")_(") -- "Esme" on el Reg

On 11/05/16 18:03, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

Sprinkle the bread with whiskey* before toasting?


* Other flammable spirits are available ...

--
Adrian C

On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 18:03:31 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.
How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

You surround it with thermal insulation so more of the heat goes into the bread and less comes out of the slots at the top.

Owain

On 11/05/2016 20:29, wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 18:03:31 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.
How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

You surround it with thermal insulation so more of the heat goes into the bread and less comes out of the slots at the top.

Owain

A good starting point would be if the piggin bread actually fitted the
piggin toaster!

Toaster manufacturers obviously don't measure bread and bakers obviously
never measure toasters!


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 11/05/2016 20:29, wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 18:03:31 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.
How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

You surround it with thermal insulation so more of the heat goes into the
bread and less comes out of the slots at the top.

Owain

A good starting point would be if the piggin bread actually fitted the
piggin toaster!

Toaster manufacturers obviously don't measure bread and bakers obviously
never measure toasters!

O well, after we (I hate to say it) vote to stay in it'll prolly be law to
fix bread sizes.
Actually, any stupidity will prolly become law.
I don't think your average euro**** (MEP) has the sense they were born with.
I just love this clip -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5jUavMXQrs

On 12/05/2016 00:46, bm wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
....
Toaster manufacturers obviously don't measure bread and bakers obviously
never measure toasters!

O well, after we (I hate to say it) vote to stay in it'll prolly be law to
fix bread sizes...

Actually, it was the EU that stopped us from regulating bread sizes.

--
Colin Bignell

"Nightjar cpb.me.uk" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...
On 12/05/2016 00:46, bm wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
Toaster manufacturers obviously don't measure bread and bakers obviously
never measure toasters!

O well, after we (I hate to say it) vote to stay in it'll prolly be law
to
fix bread sizes...

Actually, it was the EU that stopped us from regulating bread sizes.


quite right too

gummerment has no business in telling bakers what shape bread they have to
make, market forces should dictate that.

But market forces having settled on a rectangular (not square) slice
size/shape that seems to have been constants for much of my lifetime, the
toaster makers apparent insistence that their product requires slices to be
square is ridiculous.

tim

"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 11/05/2016 20:29, wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 18:03:31 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.
How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

You surround it with thermal insulation so more of the heat goes into the
bread and less comes out of the slots at the top.

Owain

A good starting point would be if the piggin bread actually fitted the
piggin toaster!

Toaster manufacturers obviously don't measure bread and bakers obviously
never measure toasters!

My bread fits fine in my toaster.

On 12/05/16 00:24, David Lang wrote:
On 11/05/2016 20:29, wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 18:03:31 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.
How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

You surround it with thermal insulation so more of the heat goes into
the bread and less comes out of the slots at the top.

Owain

A good starting point would be if the piggin bread actually fitted the
piggin toaster!

Toaster manufacturers obviously don't measure bread and bakers obviously
never measure toasters!


All I ever toast is pita bread. Doesn't fit ANY toaster I've come across

Sigh. I s'pose that's why its called P.I.T.A...


--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

On 12/05/2016 09:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
All I ever toast is pita bread. Doesn't fit ANY toaster I've come across

Sigh. I s'pose that's why its called P.I.T.A...

The Kenwood TTM310 or similar take most pitta adequately well. They can
also warm through fresh or frozen croissants and quite a few other
individual bread products.

Sadly:

Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kenwood-TTM.../dp/B000TZX2YW

And I absolutely refuse to sell or give away either the one in use in
the kitchen or the brand new spare sitting in our loft.

--
Rod

On 12/05/16 19:29, polygonum wrote:
On 12/05/2016 09:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
All I ever toast is pita bread. Doesn't fit ANY toaster I've come across

Sigh. I s'pose that's why its called P.I.T.A...

The Kenwood TTM310 or similar take most pitta adequately well. They can
also warm through fresh or frozen croissants and quite a few other
individual bread products.

Sadly:

Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kenwood-TTM.../dp/B000TZX2YW


And I absolutely refuse to sell or give away either the one in use in
the kitchen or the brand new spare sitting in our loft.

there's a newer model but £100+ seems a lot for a toaster


--
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all
private property.

Karl Marx

En el artículo , Jethro_uk
escribió:

*the best way to make toasters more efficient is to make them last
slightly longer than a few months.

My kettle and toaster are over 30 years old. They're stainless steel
and black plastic in a modern style, so look contemporary even now.

The only thing I've has to fix to replace the indicator neon in the
kettle about 10 years ago.

Kenwood, for that that's worth in this age of branding Chinese junk.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) Windows 10: less of an OS, more of a drive-by mugging.
(")_(") -- "Esme" on el Reg

On 12/05/16 09:39, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Jethro_uk
escribió:

*the best way to make toasters more efficient is to make them last
slightly longer than a few months.

My kettle and toaster are over 30 years old. They're stainless steel
and black plastic in a modern style, so look contemporary even now.

The only thing I've has to fix to replace the indicator neon in the
kettle about 10 years ago.

Kenwood, for that that's worth in this age of branding Chinese junk.

I knew someone who finally ditched their 1957 fridge in 2000. Bemoaning
how modern fridges etc etc.

Then I asked how much it had cost in 1957. The answer was around £2000
in today's money.


--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 20:29:31 UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 18:03:31 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.
How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

You surround it with thermal insulation so more of the heat goes into the bread and less comes out of the slots at the top.

Owain

Put the slots at the bottom :-)

On 11/05/2016 18:03, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

You use a radiant element which has a particularly favourable range of
wavelengths for browning.

You use a radiant element which only emits where there is bread.

You hang your toast-to-be on a washing line or rack and allow most of
its moisture content to evaporate before trying to toast it.

You use sophisticated controls so that you never suffer the double-cost
of burning the toast and then having to toast another batch. (Including
disposing of the burnt toast, using more toast-to-be, cleaning the
toaster and surrounding area, redecorating the kitchen, etc.)

--
Rod

On 11/05/2016 20:42, polygonum wrote:
On 11/05/2016 18:03, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

You use a radiant element which has a particularly favourable range of
wavelengths for browning.

You use a radiant element which only emits where there is bread.

You hang your toast-to-be on a washing line or rack and allow most of
its moisture content to evaporate before trying to toast it.

You use sophisticated controls so that you never suffer the double-cost
of burning the toast and then having to toast another batch. (Including
disposing of the burnt toast, using more toast-to-be, cleaning the
toaster and surrounding area, redecorating the kitchen, etc.)

But none of that reverses the simple physical fact that
cooking/heating/baking/toasting will all use less energy by using a high
power for a short time than using lower power for a longer period due to
heat loss - nop matter how good the insulation.

On 11/05/2016 21:25, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/05/2016 20:42, polygonum wrote:
On 11/05/2016 18:03, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

You use a radiant element which has a particularly favourable range of
wavelengths for browning.

You use a radiant element which only emits where there is bread.

You hang your toast-to-be on a washing line or rack and allow most of
its moisture content to evaporate before trying to toast it.

You use sophisticated controls so that you never suffer the double-cost
of burning the toast and then having to toast another batch. (Including
disposing of the burnt toast, using more toast-to-be, cleaning the
toaster and surrounding area, redecorating the kitchen, etc.)

But none of that reverses the simple physical fact that
cooking/heating/baking/toasting will all use less energy by using a high
power for a short time than using lower power for a longer period due to
heat loss - nop matter how good the insulation.

I agree. Doesn't mean there aren't things that could be done if the aim
is simply lower electricity consumption.

--
Rod

On 11/05/16 21:44, polygonum wrote:


I agree. Doesn't mean there aren't things that could be done if the aim
is simply lower electricity consumption.

Yeah. Take east enders off the telly.

That should save a bit.


--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

On 12/05/16 09:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/05/16 21:44, polygonum wrote:


I agree. Doesn't mean there aren't things that could be done if the aim
is simply lower electricity consumption.

Yeah. Take east enders off the telly.

That should save a bit.

Nah, meter residential consumers in kVA instead of Watts.

--
Adrian C

On 12/05/2016 09:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/05/16 21:44, polygonum wrote:


I agree. Doesn't mean there aren't things that could be done if the aim
is simply lower electricity consumption.

Yeah. Take east enders off the telly.

That should save a bit.


I'm sure the UK national FM transmitters have already secretly been
condemned, and are just waiting for a suitable time to bury bad news.
June 24th maybe ?

Steve Walker wrote:
But none of that reverses the simple physical fact that
cooking/heating/baking/toasting will all use less energy by using a high
power for a short time than using lower power for a longer period due to
heat loss - nop matter how good the insulation.

Funnily enough, my microwave cooks food quicker than my gas oven, and with a
lower thermal input. Probably cheaper too, despite electricity costing
4x the price of gas per kWh.

It's not the power that counts, it's what you do with it.

Theo

In article ,
Theo wrote:
Steve Walker wrote:
But none of that reverses the simple physical fact that
cooking/heating/baking/toasting will all use less energy by using a
high power for a short time than using lower power for a longer
period due to heat loss - nop matter how good the insulation.

Funnily enough, my microwave cooks food quicker than my gas oven, and
with a lower thermal input. Probably cheaper too, despite electricity
costing 4x the price of gas per kWh.

It's not the power that counts, it's what you do with it.

But lots love wasting power. It's a cave man thing. Shows how good a
provider they are. From the days of gathering wood.

The fuss over the vacuum cleaner thing was amazing. Most of it coming from
those who've never touched one in their lives.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The fuss over the vacuum cleaner thing was amazing. Most of it coming from
those who've never touched one in their lives.

Has anyone here had to replace one since the "eco" ones were introduced?
Any comments on relative performance?

On Thu, 12 May 2016 13:22:14 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The fuss over the vacuum cleaner thing was amazing. Most of it coming
from those who've never touched one in their lives.

I always find it amusing how forceful some of the more, umm,
unreconstructed men here can get over a bloody vacuum cleaner.

But, then, I always found it amazing how some of the cheap vacs were
prepared to shout about how they were TWO THOUSAND WATT - yet if you had
to use one, they were **** at actually sucking up, except at making a lot
of heat and noise - while something like a Henry did a much better job
with half the power.

I think it's part of the knee-jerk anti-climate-change mindset. Using
less power must be a BAD thing.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Theo wrote:
Steve Walker wrote:
But none of that reverses the simple physical fact that
cooking/heating/baking/toasting will all use less energy by using a
high power for a short time than using lower power for a longer
period due to heat loss - nop matter how good the insulation.

Funnily enough, my microwave cooks food quicker than my gas oven, and
with a lower thermal input. Probably cheaper too, despite electricity
costing 4x the price of gas per kWh.

It's not the power that counts, it's what you do with it.

But lots love wasting power.

That is wildly exaggerated.

It's a cave man thing.

Bull**** it is.

Shows how good a provider they are.
From the days of gathering wood.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

The fuss over the vacuum cleaner thing was amazing.

Nope, it makes no sense for some bureaucrat in Brussels
to be deciding how vacuum cleaners are done.

Most of it coming from those who've
never touched one in their lives.

Irrelevant.

On 11/05/2016 21:25, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/05/2016 20:42, polygonum wrote:
On 11/05/2016 18:03, Andy Burns wrote:
Then they came for vacuum cleaners, soon kettles and toasters.

How *do* you make a toaster more efficient?

You use a radiant element which has a particularly favourable range of
wavelengths for browning.

You use a radiant element which only emits where there is bread.

You hang your toast-to-be on a washing line or rack and allow most of
its moisture content to evaporate before trying to toast it.

You use sophisticated controls so that you never suffer the double-cost
of burning the toast and then having to toast another batch. (Including
disposing of the burnt toast, using more toast-to-be, cleaning the
toaster and surrounding area, redecorating the kitchen, etc.)

But none of that reverses the simple physical fact that
cooking/heating/baking/toasting will all use less energy by using a high
power for a short time than using lower power for a longer period due to
heat loss - nop matter how good the insulation.

baking/toasting I agree with you but long slow cooking with a slow
cooker is I think more efficient than using an oven for stews and soups.
(I don't fancy toast or roasties made in a slow cooker however)

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