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http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...ter-pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? |
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On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote:
Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...ter-pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? |
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On 09/05/2016 10:35, newshound wrote:
On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote: Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...ter-pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? It's like a photocopier. No way should that work! It punches right through at least one wall of the pipe, and yes it must be a rotating gate valve. The whole thing relies on the silicone seals within the body lasting pretty much forever. |
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On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:35:09 +0100, newshound wrote:
On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote: Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...ter-pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? I can't work out where the excised bits go. |
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On 09/05/16 09:37, GB wrote:
Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...ter-pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Horrid idea - replace the main isolator with a pegler (or other GOOD make) full bore 1/4 turn valve. If the street cock won't turn off, get the water company to fix that first. If this is the first cock after where the mains splits to feed the various flats, there's always a pipe freezer. |
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On 09/05/2016 10:54, Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:35:09 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote: Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...ter-pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? I can't work out where the excised bits go. Me neither! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 09/05/2016 10:54, Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:35:09 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote: Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...ter-pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? I can't work out where the excised bits go. They probably get flattened at the back of the valve... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 09/05/2016 15:02, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/05/2016 10:54, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:35:09 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote: Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...ter-pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? I can't work out where the excised bits go. They probably get flattened at the back of the valve... Ah, yes: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ (that's also why there is a minimum drill torque spec, since it needs the power to crush the pipe). -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Mon, 09 May 2016 15:07:49 +0100, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/05/2016 15:02, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 10:54, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:35:09 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote: Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...lator-starter- pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? I can't work out where the excised bits go. They probably get flattened at the back of the valve... Ah, yes: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ (that's also why there is a minimum drill torque spec, since it needs the power to crush the pipe). Ah, I see. The pipe slug ends up in the recess at the back of the housing. |
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On 5/9/2016 3:43 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 15:07:49 +0100, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 15:02, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 10:54, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:35:09 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote: Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...lator-starter- pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? I can't work out where the excised bits go. They probably get flattened at the back of the valve... Ah, yes: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ (that's also why there is a minimum drill torque spec, since it needs the power to crush the pipe). Ah, I see. The pipe slug ends up in the recess at the back of the housing. Very cunning, I can see the appeal as an "emergency fix". Not sure I would want to fit one to my own system as the main "post-stop cock" isolator, though. Still not exactly clear about where "debris" goes, and exactly where the sealing faces are. |
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On 09/05/2016 15:07, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/05/2016 15:02, John Rumm wrote: They probably get flattened at the back of the valve... Ah, yes: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ (that's also why there is a minimum drill torque spec, since it needs the power to crush the pipe). Come on John, you know the difference between torque and power even if Aladdin doesn't. To quote the article which you cite: "Installing the cutter in a standard hard 0.7mm wall copper pipe requires 16 Newton-Metres of drill power"!!! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 09/05/2016 16:52, Roger Mills wrote:
On 09/05/2016 15:07, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 15:02, John Rumm wrote: They probably get flattened at the back of the valve... Ah, yes: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ (that's also why there is a minimum drill torque spec, since it needs the power to crush the pipe). Come on John, you know the difference between torque and power even if Aladdin doesn't. To quote the article which you cite: "Installing the cutter in a standard hard 0.7mm wall copper pipe requires 16 Newton-Metres of drill power"!!! Indeed, but I won't begrudge them that one, since I would guess most would equate "a more powerful" drill as one that also has more torque. (which will be generally true unless discussing particularly highly geared designs) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Mon, 09 May 2016 16:17:13 +0100, newshound wrote:
On 5/9/2016 3:43 PM, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 15:07:49 +0100, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 15:02, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 10:54, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:35:09 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote: Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...lator-starter- pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? I can't work out where the excised bits go. They probably get flattened at the back of the valve... Ah, yes: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ (that's also why there is a minimum drill torque spec, since it needs the power to crush the pipe). Ah, I see. The pipe slug ends up in the recess at the back of the housing. Very cunning, I can see the appeal as an "emergency fix". Not sure I would want to fit one to my own system as the main "post-stop cock" isolator, though. Still not exactly clear about where "debris" goes, and exactly where the sealing faces are. Look at the FAQ tab; there's a nice diagram. |
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On 09/05/16 18:40, Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 16:17:13 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 3:43 PM, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 15:07:49 +0100, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 15:02, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 10:54, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:35:09 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote: Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...lator-starter- pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? I can't work out where the excised bits go. They probably get flattened at the back of the valve... Ah, yes: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ (that's also why there is a minimum drill torque spec, since it needs the power to crush the pipe). Ah, I see. The pipe slug ends up in the recess at the back of the housing. Very cunning, I can see the appeal as an "emergency fix". Not sure I would want to fit one to my own system as the main "post-stop cock" isolator, though. Still not exactly clear about where "debris" goes, and exactly where the sealing faces are. Look at the FAQ tab; there's a nice diagram. OK - I take it back: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ It's not actually horrible - it's actually rather clever. |
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Tim Watts wrote:
http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ It's not actually horrible - it's actually rather clever. But eighty quid for a single valve with required tools, and seventy-odd quid per additional valve? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aladdin-Easy-Isolator/dp/B00ZRLOGUM |
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Andy Burns wrote:
eighty quid for a single valve with required tools OK, so for once screwfix is cheaper than amazon ... |
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On Mon, 09 May 2016 20:05:16 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: eighty quid for a single valve with required tools OK, so for once screwfix is cheaper than amazon ... By quite a long way! 45 quid? |
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On 5/9/2016 6:40 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 16:17:13 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 3:43 PM, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 15:07:49 +0100, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 15:02, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 10:54, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:35:09 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote: Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...lator-starter- pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? I can't work out where the excised bits go. They probably get flattened at the back of the valve... Ah, yes: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ (that's also why there is a minimum drill torque spec, since it needs the power to crush the pipe). Ah, I see. The pipe slug ends up in the recess at the back of the housing. Very cunning, I can see the appeal as an "emergency fix". Not sure I would want to fit one to my own system as the main "post-stop cock" isolator, though. Still not exactly clear about where "debris" goes, and exactly where the sealing faces are. Look at the FAQ tab; there's a nice diagram. Silly bugger that I am, I missed that. So, as I speculated, it shears the pipe completely, but then inserts a full bore ball valve unit presumably with integral seals, the whole being sealed to the housing with static O rings. It's a cunning bit of design, especially as it works with metric and both UK and Irish Imperial dimensions. |
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On 5/9/2016 8:02 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ It's not actually horrible - it's actually rather clever. But eighty quid for a single valve with required tools, and seventy-odd quid per additional valve? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aladdin-Easy-Isolator/dp/B00ZRLOGUM Probably just about worth it for a plumber, given the time it saves over freezing to install a "proper" full bore lever ball valve. |
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On 5/9/2016 7:49 PM, Tim Watts wrote:
On 09/05/16 18:40, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 16:17:13 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 3:43 PM, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 15:07:49 +0100, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 15:02, John Rumm wrote: On 09/05/2016 10:54, Bob Eager wrote: On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:35:09 +0100, newshound wrote: On 5/9/2016 9:37 AM, GB wrote: Aladdin Isolator Valve http://www.screwfix.com/p/aladdin-ea...lator-starter- pack/36008 I've just bought one, as I think the mains tap won't work in a flat I'm going to be working in. Has anyone else here used one? Seems a great idea, but I wonder what they are like in practice? Anyone else find it slightly surprising that this works? Does it completely shear the pipe, and insert a gate? I can't work out where the excised bits go. They probably get flattened at the back of the valve... Ah, yes: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ (that's also why there is a minimum drill torque spec, since it needs the power to crush the pipe). Ah, I see. The pipe slug ends up in the recess at the back of the housing. Very cunning, I can see the appeal as an "emergency fix". Not sure I would want to fit one to my own system as the main "post-stop cock" isolator, though. Still not exactly clear about where "debris" goes, and exactly where the sealing faces are. Look at the FAQ tab; there's a nice diagram. OK - I take it back: http://aladdin-products.co.uk/produc...yfit-isolator/ It's not actually horrible - it's actually rather clever. +1! |
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newshound wrote:
It's a cunning bit of design They even sell another tool to allow replacing the valve core, still keeping the water supply live, but somewhat less inspiring that you might need to replace the core ... https://youtu.be/IuLagpjagDk I was hoping it would let you see what had happened to the pipe when it was removed, but no such luck :-( |
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replying to GB, Matthew Gould wrote:
I installed two aladdin isolating valve successfully this afternoon coming off the mains water pipe. However they have both suddenly stopped working not allowing water through about 2 hours after both working well? I turned them both off to install a new toilet and after being turned off for a few minutes i turned them on again to refill the cistern and the flow stopped. The mains to the block of flats is still functioning. Is it possible the slugs are blocking the water flow if indeed the slugs are free? Any thoughts please? -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...e-1128192-.htm |
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On 26/04/2019 07:37, Brian Gaff wrote:
My guess is that these devices are pretty crude, Anything that is supposed to work as a tap on a working main without it being cut runs the risk of jamming debris in the pipe and all sorts of other nasties in my view. Although you cannot see it Brian, there is a Youtube video of one being dismantled. When fitting the valve the pipe is fully cut and the debris compressed as a slug in the recess in the back of the fitting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9JSbIPLffM the dismantling is after the pressure testing bit. That is assuming that the valves have been installed correctly in the first place and the cutter was fully wound in. If the handle on the valve is working and can be turned than I doubt that the debris slug could fully block the pipe and water would still flow, maybe at a reduced rate. One has to wonder if the fill valve to the toilet is actually the problem and its that that is not opening to allow the toilet to fill? -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 26/04/2019 08:29, alan_m wrote:
On 26/04/2019 07:37, Brian Gaff wrote: My guess is that these devices are pretty crude, Anything that is supposed to work as a tap on a working main without it being cut runs the risk of jamming debris in the pipe and all sorts of other nasties in my view. Although you cannot see it Brian, there is a Youtube video of one being dismantled.Â* When fitting the valve the pipe is fully cut and the debris compressed as a slug in the recess in the back of the fitting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9JSbIPLffM the dismantling is after the pressure testing bit. That is assuming that the valves have been installed correctly in the first place and the cutter was fully wound in. I had not seen that video before, Alan, so thanks for that. It's quite clear from the video that, if the cutter is wound fully in, the slug is held in place at the back of the fitting by the cutter. The only possible reasons for the OP's issues a 1. Defective Aladdin devices - both of them. 2. Incorrect installation. 3. Some other blockage. Unfortunately, it's impossible to say which. I suggest the OP contacts Aladdin customer service for advice. If the handle on the valve is working and can be turned than I doubt that the debris slug could fully block the pipe and water would still flow, maybe at a reduced rate. One has to wonder if the fill valve to the toilet is actually the problem and its that that is not opening to allow the toilet to fill? |
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