I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

€¢ Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

€¢ Customers who are chronically ill

€¢ Customers with a disability

€¢ Customers who are visually impaired or blind

€¢ Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

€¢ Elderly customers

€¢ A nursing or residential home

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

€¢ Any other case that you would like us to consider"

[Spaced out to prevent PAN scrunging it all together.]

One thing that struck me - nowhere does it define "Elderly".

I have passed the 65 point and am now in receipt of a State Pension (what
would one have been described as an Old Age Pensioner) so presumably I may
be considered to be "Elderly" but given that the pension age is rapidly
receding (I got mine just in time) there does seem to be no fixed point.

Strange that they don't give any guidance. Presumably avoiding conflict
and allowing anyone who feels "elderly" to apply. The application form
doesn't ask for age, either, so presumably if you are feeling clapped out
at 50 you still qualify.

I also have a chronic disease - T2 Diabetes - which is currently
(thankfully) well managed.

So I don't feel vulnerable to a power cut; firing up the wood burner and
rigging temporary lighting from the little Honda generator would be more
fun than anything else. Defence in depth - we could always live in the
camper for a few days until local bottled gas supplies ran out, at least.

Is this all a plot to make me feel old?

Cheers

Dave R

--
Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box

David wrote:

I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

€¢ Elderly customers

interpretations would vary, I would say 80+

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

FFS

On 06/02/2016 12:50, David wrote:
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

€¢ Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

€¢ Customers who are chronically ill

€¢ Customers with a disability

€¢ Customers who are visually impaired or blind

€¢ Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

€¢ Elderly customers

€¢ A nursing or residential home

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

€¢ Any other case that you would like us to consider"

[Spaced out to prevent PAN scrunging it all together.]

One thing that struck me - nowhere does it define "Elderly".

I have passed the 65 point and am now in receipt of a State Pension (what
would one have been described as an Old Age Pensioner) so presumably I may
be considered to be "Elderly" but given that the pension age is rapidly
receding (I got mine just in time) there does seem to be no fixed point.

Strange that they don't give any guidance. Presumably avoiding conflict
and allowing anyone who feels "elderly" to apply. The application form
doesn't ask for age, either, so presumably if you are feeling clapped out
at 50 you still qualify.

I also have a chronic disease - T2 Diabetes - which is currently
(thankfully) well managed.

So I don't feel vulnerable to a power cut; firing up the wood burner and
rigging temporary lighting from the little Honda generator would be more
fun than anything else. Defence in depth - we could always live in the
camper for a few days until local bottled gas supplies ran out, at least.

Is this all a plot to make me feel old?

Cheers

Dave R


The one I just had defined "old" as 65. I didn't tick any of the other
boxes but it seemed to me no harm could come from registering; at best,
it might raise a flag if I phone in with a fault.

Struck me as being no bad thing to have a register to include people
with stair lifts, oxygen concentrators, etc. ahead of any disruption,
especially a widespread one.

On 06/02/2016 12:54, Andy Burns wrote:
David wrote:

I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

€¢ Elderly customers

interpretations would vary, I would say 80+

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

FFS

Wnat's so wrong with the second one? These days, for a lot of people no
power means no heat or hot water.

Although I do think it is a bit of an arse padding exercise.

On 06/02/2016 13:33, newshound wrote:
On 06/02/2016 12:50, David wrote:
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

€¢ Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

€¢ Customers who are chronically ill

€¢ Customers with a disability

€¢ Customers who are visually impaired or blind

€¢ Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

€¢ Elderly customers

€¢ A nursing or residential home

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

€¢ Any other case that you would like us to consider"

[Spaced out to prevent PAN scrunging it all together.]

One thing that struck me - nowhere does it define "Elderly".

I have passed the 65 point and am now in receipt of a State Pension (what
would one have been described as an Old Age Pensioner) so presumably I
may
be considered to be "Elderly" but given that the pension age is rapidly
receding (I got mine just in time) there does seem to be no fixed point.

Strange that they don't give any guidance. Presumably avoiding conflict
and allowing anyone who feels "elderly" to apply. The application form
doesn't ask for age, either, so presumably if you are feeling clapped out
at 50 you still qualify.

I also have a chronic disease - T2 Diabetes - which is currently
(thankfully) well managed.

So I don't feel vulnerable to a power cut; firing up the wood burner and
rigging temporary lighting from the little Honda generator would be more
fun than anything else. Defence in depth - we could always live in the
camper for a few days until local bottled gas supplies ran out, at least.

Is this all a plot to make me feel old?

Cheers

Dave R


The one I just had defined "old" as 65. I didn't tick any of the other
boxes but it seemed to me no harm could come from registering; at best,
it might raise a flag if I phone in with a fault.

Struck me as being no bad thing to have a register to include people
with stair lifts, oxygen concentrators, etc. ahead of any disruption,
especially a widespread one.

They are getting ready for the rolling power cuts.
They don't really want to cut people off with medical equipment.

"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 06/02/2016 12:54, Andy Burns wrote:
David wrote:

I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

€¢ Elderly customers

interpretations would vary, I would say 80+

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

FFS

Wnat's so wrong with the second one?

Elderly babies?

--
Adam

In article ,
David wrote:
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

� Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

� Customers who are chronically ill

� Customers with a disability

� Customers who are visually impaired or blind

� Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

� Elderly customers

� A nursing or residential home

� Customers with young babies in household

� Any other case that you would like us to consider"

I do wonder just what that help would be? I really can't see them
installing a temporary generator for all those classes.

Cynical me says it may be just a PR exercise.

--
*A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

David wrote:
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me
to register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

. Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

. Customers who are chronically ill

. Customers with a disability

. Customers who are visually impaired or blind

. Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

. Elderly customers

. A nursing or residential home

. Customers with young babies in household

. Any other case that you would like us to consider"

So that's 90% of the polulation then, hardly likely to receive 'additional
help' if everyone qualifies.

On 06/02/2016 12:50, David wrote:


One thing that struck me - nowhere does it define "Elderly".


At a pure guess - 75+ Then you'll be able to have the power restored in
order to continue to watch your licence-free TV.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom
checked.

Weird, cos I'm visually impaired and apart from the obvious paradox of
sending paper letters to blind people, I understood I was on the list
already, but EDF tell me that due to the data protection act, since the
split of the power generation and supply companies, they cannot inform the
uk power networks about me without my permission in writing.

My brain hurts.
Brian

"David" wrote in message
...
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

€¢ Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

€¢ Customers who are chronically ill

€¢ Customers with a disability

€¢ Customers who are visually impaired or blind

€¢ Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

€¢ Elderly customers

€¢ A nursing or residential home

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

€¢ Any other case that you would like us to consider"

[Spaced out to prevent PAN scrunging it all together.]

One thing that struck me - nowhere does it define "Elderly".

I have passed the 65 point and am now in receipt of a State Pension (what
would one have been described as an Old Age Pensioner) so presumably I may
be considered to be "Elderly" but given that the pension age is rapidly
receding (I got mine just in time) there does seem to be no fixed point.

Strange that they don't give any guidance. Presumably avoiding conflict
and allowing anyone who feels "elderly" to apply. The application form
doesn't ask for age, either, so presumably if you are feeling clapped out
at 50 you still qualify.

I also have a chronic disease - T2 Diabetes - which is currently
(thankfully) well managed.

So I don't feel vulnerable to a power cut; firing up the wood burner and
rigging temporary lighting from the little Honda generator would be more
fun than anything else. Defence in depth - we could always live in the
camper for a few days until local bottled gas supplies ran out, at least.

Is this all a plot to make me feel old?

Cheers

Dave R

--
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--
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This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
The Sofa of Brian Gaff...

Blind user, so no pictures please!

In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" writes:
In article ,
David wrote:
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

� Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

� Customers who are chronically ill

� Customers with a disability

� Customers who are visually impaired or blind

� Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

� Elderly customers

� A nursing or residential home

� Customers with young babies in household

� Any other case that you would like us to consider"

I do wonder just what that help would be? I really can't see them
installing a temporary generator for all those classes.

Cynical me says it may be just a PR exercise.

Some ~20 years ago, my street reached the point where the ring mains
was broken in 2 places underground, and although we all still had
power through backfeeding, they decided they needed to repair it.
That was a planned outage for a day, and a large generator was parked
up to keep power on to 1 or 2 houses for the day. I didn't know the
people in those, but I guess there was someone with a medial need.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" writes:
In article ,
David wrote:
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

� Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

� Customers who are chronically ill

� Customers with a disability

� Customers who are visually impaired or blind

� Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

� Elderly customers

� A nursing or residential home

� Customers with young babies in household

� Any other case that you would like us to consider"

I do wonder just what that help would be? I really can't see them
installing a temporary generator for all those classes.

Cynical me says it may be just a PR exercise.

Some ~20 years ago, my street reached the point where the ring mains
was broken in 2 places underground, and although we all still had
power through backfeeding, they decided they needed to repair it.
That was a planned outage for a day, and a large generator was parked
up to keep power on to 1 or 2 houses for the day. I didn't know the
people in those, but I guess there was someone with a medial need.

about 18 months ago, a builder 3 doors down the road managed to put a short
on the electricty feeder cable taking out supply to 5 houses. We had a
genny parked in the drive for 5 days. As did the other houses. No query
about need. But then, the builder's insurance company was paying for it.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 06/02/2016 12:54, Andy Burns wrote:
David wrote:

I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

€¢ Elderly customers

interpretations would vary, I would say 80+

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

FFS

Wnat's so wrong with the second one?

Not something that you should need 'additional
help' with if the power goes out for a while.

These days, for a lot of people no power means no heat or hot water.

But even those with young babies in the household
can do fine without those for quite a while even if
their heat is entirely electric. Doesnt make any sense
for UK Power Networks to be showing up with gas
bottles and a heater etc when the parents can just
put the brat in bed under blankets etc at worst.

Although I do think it is a bit of an arse padding exercise.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David wrote:
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

� Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

� Customers who are chronically ill

� Customers with a disability

� Customers who are visually impaired or blind

� Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

� Elderly customers

� A nursing or residential home

� Customers with young babies in household

� Any other case that you would like us to consider"

I do wonder just what that help would be? I really can't see them
installing a temporary generator for all those classes.

Cynical me says it may be just a PR exercise.

More likely they are attempting to keep track of
what areas can be turned off if there are rolling
blackouts without anyone dying etc. Corse that
obviously depends on how fine grained they
can turn things off with streets of houses etc.

On 06/02/2016 16:26, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


I do wonder just what that help would be? I really can't see them
installing a temporary generator for all those classes.

Cynical me says it may be just a PR exercise.


Indeed! At best, they're going to restore power on a per-substation
rather than per-premises basis. I suppose it's possible that they could
prioritise substations with a high proportion of vulnerable people, but
if such people are evenly distributed, forget it!
--
Cheers,
Roger
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On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 16:31:58 +0000, Phil L wrote:

David wrote:
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

. Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

. Customers who are chronically ill

. Customers with a disability

. Customers who are visually impaired or blind

. Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

. Elderly customers

. A nursing or residential home

. Customers with young babies in household

. Any other case that you would like us to consider"

So that's 90% of the polulation then, hardly likely to receive 'additional
help' if everyone qualifies.

Err...nope. "UK Power Networks own and maintain electricity cables and
lines across London, South East and East of England."

So as they only cover Anglia & the south-east of England, IMO "UK Power
Networks" is a /complete/ misnomer.

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:54:06 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

¢ Customers with young babies in household

FFS

Quite, babies are pretty damn tough, they frequently get pulled out
alive from collaspsed building a week or more after an earthquake. I
think they are just to young to realise that they ought to be dead,
so don't die.

Do people slob about their homes in just a T shirt and boxers? And
not have a jumper or coat to put on if the heating fails or a decent
duvet and blanket or two and everyone snuggle up together. Baby will
really like that so you only do it when you have to.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
David wrote:
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

� Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

� Customers who are chronically ill

� Customers with a disability

� Customers who are visually impaired or blind

� Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

� Elderly customers

� A nursing or residential home

� Customers with young babies in household

� Any other case that you would like us to consider"

I do wonder just what that help would be? I really can't see them
installing a temporary generator for all those classes.

Cynical me says it may be just a PR exercise.

When everybody gets smart meters it will be easy.

On Saturday, 6 February 2016 12:50:45 UTC, David wrote:
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

* Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

* Customers who are chronically ill

* Customers with a disability

* Customers who are visually impaired or blind

* Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

* Elderly customers

* A nursing or residential home

* Customers with young babies in household

* Any other case that you would like us to consider"

[Spaced out to prevent PAN scrunging it all together.]

One thing that struck me - nowhere does it define "Elderly".

I have passed the 65 point and am now in receipt of a State Pension (what
would one have been described as an Old Age Pensioner) so presumably I may
be considered to be "Elderly" but given that the pension age is rapidly
receding (I got mine just in time) there does seem to be no fixed point.

Strange that they don't give any guidance. Presumably avoiding conflict
and allowing anyone who feels "elderly" to apply. The application form
doesn't ask for age, either, so presumably if you are feeling clapped out
at 50 you still qualify.

I also have a chronic disease - T2 Diabetes - which is currently
(thankfully) well managed.

So I don't feel vulnerable to a power cut; firing up the wood burner and
rigging temporary lighting from the little Honda generator would be more
fun than anything else. Defence in depth - we could always live in the
camper for a few days until local bottled gas supplies ran out, at least.

Is this all a plot to make me feel old?

Cheers

Dave R

--
Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box

In the event ofa power cut, certain people allegedly have priority in having it restored.

On 07/02/2016 07:53, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 6 February 2016 12:50:45 UTC, David wrote:
I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

"Who can apply

* Customers who are dependent on medical equipment

* Customers who are chronically ill

* Customers with a disability

* Customers who are visually impaired or blind

* Customers who are hearing impaired or deaf

* Elderly customers

* A nursing or residential home

* Customers with young babies in household

* Any other case that you would like us to consider"

[Spaced out to prevent PAN scrunging it all together.]

One thing that struck me - nowhere does it define "Elderly".

I have passed the 65 point and am now in receipt of a State Pension (what
would one have been described as an Old Age Pensioner) so presumably I may
be considered to be "Elderly" but given that the pension age is rapidly
receding (I got mine just in time) there does seem to be no fixed point.

Strange that they don't give any guidance. Presumably avoiding conflict
and allowing anyone who feels "elderly" to apply. The application form
doesn't ask for age, either, so presumably if you are feeling clapped out
at 50 you still qualify.

I also have a chronic disease - T2 Diabetes - which is currently
(thankfully) well managed.

So I don't feel vulnerable to a power cut; firing up the wood burner and
rigging temporary lighting from the little Honda generator would be more
fun than anything else. Defence in depth - we could always live in the
camper for a few days until local bottled gas supplies ran out, at least.

Is this all a plot to make me feel old?

Cheers

Dave R

--
Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box

In the event ofa power cut, certain people allegedly have priority in having it restored.


Quite - at the councils and HAs (I've worked at) vulnerable households
are flagged on the system. In that way they can if possible prioritise
and tailor repairs and maintenance.

I'm not sure that 'being 65' or disabled, or having children,
necessarily makes people vulnerable - just more likely.

--
Cheers, Rob

On Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:13:07 UTC, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Do people slob about their homes in just a T shirt and boxers? And
not have a jumper or coat to put on if the heating fails or a decent
duvet and blanket or two and everyone snuggle up together. Baby will
really like that so you only do it when you have to.

So many youngsters seem to be whining wimps now.


NT

On 07/02/2016 04:02, F Murtz wrote:


When everybody gets smart meters it will be easy.

What will be easy - and why?
--
Cheers,
Roger
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checked.

On 07/02/16 11:36, Roger Mills wrote:
On 07/02/2016 04:02, F Murtz wrote:


When everybody gets smart meters it will be easy.

What will be easy - and why?

It wont be Hive controlling your home, it will be your local Party
Apparatchik...


--
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

On 2/7/2016 8:13 AM, RJH wrote:
On 07/02/2016 07:53, harry wrote:

In the event ofa power cut, certain people allegedly have priority in
having it restored.


Quite - at the councils and HAs (I've worked at) vulnerable households
are flagged on the system. In that way they can if possible prioritise
and tailor repairs and maintenance.

I'm not sure that 'being 65' or disabled, or having children,
necessarily makes people vulnerable - just more likely.


I still think it is no bad idea to have a second register, even an
imperfect one, with the electricity supplier. If there is a local
distribution failure, their database will throw up exactly who is
affected. Other organisations won't know the precise boundaries of the
fault. And I am sure they will do nothing special for a 1 hour fault if
only babies or pensioners are affected, but that might well matter for
someone on oxygen.

On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 11:50:32 +0000, newshound wrote:

On 2/7/2016 8:13 AM, RJH wrote:
On 07/02/2016 07:53, harry wrote:

In the event ofa power cut, certain people allegedly have priority in
having it restored.


Quite - at the councils and HAs (I've worked at) vulnerable households
are flagged on the system. In that way they can if possible prioritise
and tailor repairs and maintenance.

I'm not sure that 'being 65' or disabled, or having children,
necessarily makes people vulnerable - just more likely.


I still think it is no bad idea to have a second register, even an
imperfect one, with the electricity supplier. If there is a local
distribution failure, their database will throw up exactly who is
affected. Other organisations won't know the precise boundaries of the
fault. And I am sure they will do nothing special for a 1 hour fault if
only babies or pensioners are affected, but that might well matter for
someone on oxygen.

I've been more conscious of this ever since I read "Overload" by Arthur
Hailey. Its a good read - he was the author of "Airport" (book is better
than the film).

On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 14:53:50 +0000, ARW wrote:

"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 06/02/2016 12:54, Andy Burns wrote:
David wrote:

I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me
to register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

€¢ Elderly customers

interpretations would vary, I would say 80+

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

FFS

Wnat's so wrong with the second one?

Elderly babies?

Mentioning no regular posters to this NG, obviously ;-)



--
Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box

On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 12:54:06 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

David wrote:

I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

€¢ Elderly customers

interpretations would vary, I would say 80+

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

FFS

I think the main issue is those who are vulnerable due to poor health in
old age - some of them may not be mobile enough to quickly put on
additional clothing (they may even need the help of a carer) and their
metabolism may not be robust enough to generate enough heat to keep them
warm even if they are wrapped up.

Tricky if your woolly jumper is upstairs but you need the stair lift to
get it.

There are also those who depend on a power recliner to rest comfortably
during the day and could be unable to get out of it when reclined - those
chairs tend to sit you upright then lean forward to propel you towards
your Zimmer frame. You could freeze and starve if stuck in one of them.

So a register of those who are vulnerable is a very good idea - especially
if it is coordinated with support services who can go to the house and
help if the power is out.

Nobody so far has said that they are 65 and feel elderly :-)

Cheers

Dave R

--
Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box

David wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

David wrote:

Customers with young babies in household

FFS

I think the main issue is those who are vulnerable due to poor health in
old age

yes, certainly worthwhile the supply company knowing where vulnerable
people live. I wouldn't put a healthy baby in that category.

Tricky if your woolly jumper is upstairs but you need the stair lift to
get it.

Aren't they all battery driven? My parents' one is.

On 7 Feb 2016 13:05:55 GMT, David wrote:

snip

Tricky if your woolly jumper is upstairs but you need the stair lift to
get it.

snip

I thought most stair lifts were battery backed for that very reason?
;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 07/02/2016 13:05, David wrote:
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 12:54:06 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

David wrote:

I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

€¢ Elderly customers

interpretations would vary, I would say 80+

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

FFS

I think the main issue is those who are vulnerable due to poor health in
old age - some of them may not be mobile enough to quickly put on
additional clothing (they may even need the help of a carer) and their
metabolism may not be robust enough to generate enough heat to keep them
warm even if they are wrapped up.

Tricky if your woolly jumper is upstairs but you need the stair lift to
get it.

Stair lifts are battery powered but I don't know how many trips you
could make on one with the charger off.


There are also those who depend on a power recliner to rest comfortably
during the day and could be unable to get out of it when reclined - those
chairs tend to sit you upright then lean forward to propel you towards
your Zimmer frame. You could freeze and starve if stuck in one of them.

That's why they also have battery backup if they are bought for the
immobile.

I doubt if anyone tests the battery when they should.

"Roger Mills" wrote in message
...
On 07/02/2016 04:02, F Murtz wrote:


When everybody gets smart meters it will be easy.

What will be easy

Turning off the houses that don’t have anything
in them that will be a problem with no power.

- and why?

Because each house can be turned off remotely.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 07/02/16 11:36, Roger Mills wrote:
On 07/02/2016 04:02, F Murtz wrote:


When everybody gets smart meters it will be easy.

What will be easy - and why?

It wont be Hive controlling your home, it will be your local Party
Apparatchik...

Even sillier than you usually manage.

"David" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 12:54:06 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

David wrote:

I have recently received an email from UK Power Networks inviting me to
register for additional help in the event of a power cut.

Qualifications a

€¢ Elderly customers

interpretations would vary, I would say 80+

€¢ Customers with young babies in household

FFS

I think the main issue is those who are vulnerable due to poor health in
old age - some of them may not be mobile enough to quickly put on
additional clothing

Doesnt need to be done quickly.

(they may even need the help of a carer)

So the set of questions should have asked whether they have one.

But there is no reason why someone who needs a carer to help them to
put on clothes is any different after the power has failed than anyone else.

and their
metabolism may not be robust enough to generate enough heat to keep them
warm even if they are wrapped up.

There is no one like that.

Tricky if your woolly jumper is upstairs but you need the stair lift to
get it.

You could get real radical and have another kept downstairs.

There are also those who depend on a power recliner to rest comfortably
during the day and could be unable to get out of it when reclined - those
chairs tend to sit you upright then lean forward to propel you towards
your Zimmer frame. You could freeze and starve if stuck in one of them.

But if you are in that situation, you should have some way
of calling for assistance if you live alone and so can just
use that if the lack of power means you are stuck there.

So a register of those who are vulnerable is a very good
idea - especially if it is coordinated with support services
who can go to the house and help if the power is out.

Makes more sense for those who live alone and who likely
to end up in that situation to have some way of calling for
assistance all the time, not just when the power is out.

Nobody so far has said that they are 65 and feel elderly :-)

I'm quite a bit older than that and dont feel elderly at all.

On 07/02/16 18:02, Hilo Black wrote:


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On 07/02/16 11:36, Roger Mills wrote:
On 07/02/2016 04:02, F Murtz wrote:


When everybody gets smart meters it will be easy.

What will be easy - and why?

It wont be Hive controlling your home, it will be your local Party
Apparatchik...

Even sillier than you usually manage.

You really are a humourless ******, and it seems, a dyed in the wool
Lefty****.

I don't argue with religious fruitcakes

*plonk*

--
Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time the quo has lost
its status.

Laurence Peter

Martin Barclay wrote:
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 16:31:58 +0000, Phil L wrote:

So that's 90% of the polulation then, hardly likely to receive
'additional help' if everyone qualifies.

Err...nope. "UK Power Networks own and maintain electricity cables and
lines across London, South East and East of England."

So as they only cover Anglia & the south-east of England, IMO "UK
Power Networks" is a /complete/ misnomer.

the majority of the population of the area covered...whether that's
nationwide or just London is irrelevant, I can't see how they can have
preferential treatment when almost everyone will be getting it

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On 07/02/16 18:02, Hilo Black wrote:


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On 07/02/16 11:36, Roger Mills wrote:
On 07/02/2016 04:02, F Murtz wrote:


When everybody gets smart meters it will be easy.

What will be easy - and why?

It wont be Hive controlling your home, it will be your local Party
Apparatchik...

Even sillier than you usually manage.

You really are a humourless ******, and it seems, a dyed in the wool
Lefty****.

Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, ****wit.

I in fact think that what Maggie did was almost
entirely correct except for the final poll tax.

I don't argue with religious fruitcakes

You wouldnt know what a religioius fruitcake
was if one bit you on your lard arse, or about
anything else at all, either.

*plonk*

Fat lot of good that will do you you stupid plonker.

On 07/02/16 22:52, Turnip ****er wrote:


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On 07/02/16 18:02, Hilo Black wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 07/02/16 11:36, Roger Mills wrote:
On 07/02/2016 04:02, F Murtz wrote:


When everybody gets smart meters it will be easy.

What will be easy - and why?

It wont be Hive controlling your home, it will be your local Party
Apparatchik...

Even sillier than you usually manage.

You really are a humourless ******, and it seems, a dyed in the wool
Lefty****.

Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, ****wit.

I in fact think that what Maggie did was almost
entirely correct except for the final poll tax.

I don't argue with religious fruitcakes

You wouldnt know what a religioius fruitcake
was if one bit you on your lard arse, or about
anything else at all, either.

*plonk*

Fat lot of good that will do you you stupid plonker.

I have a personal stalker!


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name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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On 07/02/16 18:02, Hilo Black wrote:


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On 07/02/16 11:36, Roger Mills wrote:
On 07/02/2016 04:02, F Murtz wrote:


When everybody gets smart meters it will be easy.

What will be easy - and why?

It wont be Hive controlling your home, it will be your local Party
Apparatchik...

Even sillier than you usually manage.

You really are a humourless ******, and it seems, a dyed in the wool
Lefty****.

Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, ****wit.

I in fact think that what Maggie did was almost
entirely correct except for the final poll tax.

I don't argue with religious fruitcakes

You wouldnt know what a religioius fruitcake
was if one bit you on your lard arse, or about
anything else at all, either.

*plonk*

Fat lot of good that will do you you stupid plonker.

I have a personal stalker!

You wouldnt know what a personal stalker was if one bit
you on your lard arse, or about anything else at all, either.

Roger Mills wrote:
On 07/02/2016 04:02, F Murtz wrote:


When everybody gets smart meters it will be easy.

What will be easy - and why?

With the right smart meters and the right setup they can selectively
switch different circuits on and off.

http://tinyurl.com/hdvxq4q

On 08/02/16 10:32, F Murtz wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:
On 07/02/2016 04:02, F Murtz wrote:


When everybody gets smart meters it will be easy.

What will be easy - and why?

With the right smart meters and the right setup they can selectively
switch different circuits on and off.

http://tinyurl.com/hdvxq4q

How they are going to manage that without a significant rewire of the
owner's property?

Also it can be a bad idea to drop power to a tumble dryer without
letting it go though it's cool down cycle at the end.