Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
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Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest
of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially
where they won't be seen.

On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

On 10/01/2016 16:11, Bob Minchin wrote:
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest
of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially
where they won't be seen.


Indeed.

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On 10/01/2016 16:12, newshound wrote:
On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

Understood.

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"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest of
us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially where
they won't be seen.


I would standardize all screws as PZ2s.

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:12:31 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

Can you not get Pozidrive brass?

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:14:57 -0000, ARW wrote:

"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest of
us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially where
they won't be seen.

I would standardize all screws as PZ2s.

Agreed.

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On 10/01/2016 16:14, ARW wrote:
"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The
rest of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use
especially where they won't be seen.


I would standardize all screws as PZ2s.

Might be a bit harsh for mobile phone manufacturers :-)

On 10/01/16 16:11, Bob Minchin wrote:
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest
of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially
where they won't be seen.



Personally, I prefer torx

On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:11:23 -0000, Bob Minchin wrote:

Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest
of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially
where they won't be seen.

"Old stock"? Bloody dozens of places selling straight screws. I've bought some by accident before. I took the time to make sure I got the right strength, the right diameter, the right length, etc, etc, then didn't realise they still sold those bloody straight things!

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:11:23 -0000, Bob Minchin wrote:

Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest
of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially
where they won't be seen.

Why would you consider a pozidrive uglier if it can be seen? Six of one half a dozen of the other, it's still a visible screwhead.

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:22:56 -0000, Clive George wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:14, ARW wrote:
"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The
rest of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use
especially where they won't be seen.


I would standardize all screws as PZ2s.

Might be a bit harsh for mobile phone manufacturers :-)

What mobile phone manufacturers need to realise is a charging plug that's 0.000001mm thick is going to ****ing break!

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:23:02 -0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On 10/01/16 16:11, Bob Minchin wrote:
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest
of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially
where they won't be seen.

Personally, I prefer torx

I was thinking that, but pozidrive has the advantage that the screwdriver bit falls into place itself as you start turning.

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On 10/01/2016 16:22, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:12:31 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

Can you not get Pozidrive brass?

You can, and I might use them for somewhere visible on modern hardwood
(eg keyhole escutcheon), but they don't look right on anything antique
(IMHO).

On 10/01/2016 16:14, ARW wrote:
"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The
rest of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use
especially where they won't be seen.


I would standardize all screws as PZ2s.

I wouldn't, PZ3 is a good intermediary before you get to coach screws.
And PZ1 has its place on smaller stuff.

On Sunday, 10 January 2016 16:22:35 UTC, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:12:31 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

Can you not get Pozidrive brass?

No, brass isn't hard enough.

On 10/01/16 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Only for visual effect..


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On 10/01/2016 17:01, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 10 January 2016 16:22:35 UTC, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:12:31 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

Can you not get Pozidrive brass?

No, brass isn't hard enough.

Sheridized screws look as good as brass though..

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On 10/01/2016 17:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/01/16 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Only for visual effect..


I would say that is subjective though.

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On 10/01/16 16:30, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:23:02 -0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On 10/01/16 16:11, Bob Minchin wrote:
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest
of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially
where they won't be seen.

Personally, I prefer torx

I was thinking that, but pozidrive has the advantage that the
screwdriver bit falls into place itself as you start turning.


True - the only problem is it tends to fall out again!

It's not really that much of a problem unless a) it's a very hard
substrate; b) you need them in and out a lot. But as a "vs" thing, I
don't know quite how we got stuck with posi OR phillips, given that both
are inferior (in our world) to robertson, hex and torx. Of the last 3 I
suspect torx may be the most robust, but I have no links to prove it

On 10/01/16 17:09, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2016 17:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/01/16 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Only for visual effect..


I would say that is subjective though.

Er no. The visual effect of a slotted screw is *objectively* different
from the visual effect of a posidrive or other cross head, torx or hex
head..

What is subjective and so trivially and obvious that its not worth
mentioning, is whether you care or not.


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the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

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On 10/01/16 17:08, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2016 17:01, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 10 January 2016 16:22:35 UTC, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:12:31 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

Can you not get Pozidrive brass?

No, brass isn't hard enough.

Sheridized screws look as good as brass though..
....until they rust..




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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:58:22 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:22, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:12:31 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

Can you not get Pozidrive brass?

You can, and I might use them for somewhere visible on modern hardwood
(eg keyhole escutcheon), but they don't look right on anything antique
(IMHO).

Because they don't look old?

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:15:35 -0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On 10/01/16 16:30, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:23:02 -0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On 10/01/16 16:11, Bob Minchin wrote:
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest
of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially
where they won't be seen.

Personally, I prefer torx

I was thinking that, but pozidrive has the advantage that the
screwdriver bit falls into place itself as you start turning.


True - the only problem is it tends to fall out again!

It's not really that much of a problem unless a) it's a very hard
substrate; b) you need them in and out a lot. But as a "vs" thing, I
don't know quite how we got stuck with posi OR phillips, given that both
are inferior (in our world) to robertson, hex and torx. Of the last 3 I
suspect torx may be the most robust, but I have no links to prove it

I don't get pozidrive falling out. As long as the screwdriver is perpendicular, and you're applying a downward force on it. I guess torx are tougher, but I'd think you could put in more pozis a minute.

I don't understand Philips still existing at all. Pozidrive is basically Phillips.1.

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:08:50 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 10/01/2016 17:01, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 10 January 2016 16:22:35 UTC, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:12:31 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

Can you not get Pozidrive brass?

No, brass isn't hard enough.

Sheridized screws look as good as brass though..

Isn't that silver instead of gold colour?

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 10/01/16 17:09, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2016 17:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/01/16 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Only for visual effect..


I would say that is subjective though.

Er no. The visual effect of a slotted screw is *objectively* different
from the visual effect of a posidrive or other cross head, torx or hex
head..


So you are saying that the slotted screw looks like a ****?

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:01:46 -0000, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 10 January 2016 16:22:35 UTC, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:12:31 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

Can you not get Pozidrive brass?

No, brass isn't hard enough.

[searches] You get brass plated ones though.

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:17:39 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 10/01/16 17:08, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2016 17:01, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 10 January 2016 16:22:35 UTC, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:12:31 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

Can you not get Pozidrive brass?

No, brass isn't hard enough.

Sheridized screws look as good as brass though..
...until they rust..

Errr, I though galvanised stuff never rusted. Sacrificial protection and all that.

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On 10/01/2016 16:23, Tim Watts wrote:
On 10/01/16 16:11, Bob Minchin wrote:
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest
of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially
where they won't be seen.



Personally, I prefer torx

And if your driver isn't aligned, you only have to turn it a maximum of
60 degrees (as against 90 for pozi/Philips, and 180 for slotted screws).

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:01:27 -0000, newshound wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:14, ARW wrote:
"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The
rest of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use
especially where they won't be seen.


I would standardize all screws as PZ2s.

I wouldn't, PZ3 is a good intermediary before you get to coach screws.
And PZ1 has its place on smaller stuff.

As with everything, too many inbetweens. For example, why does a car need 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20mm bolts? Why not just 5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20?

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:17:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 10/01/16 17:09, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2016 17:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/01/16 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Only for visual effect..

I would say that is subjective though.

Er no. The visual effect of a slotted screw is *objectively* different
from the visual effect of a posidrive or other cross head, torx or hex
head..

What is subjective and so trivially and obvious that its not worth
mentioning, is whether you care or not.

No, what is subjective is whether you prefer the look of pozidrive or straight.

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:35:06 -0000, ARW wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 10/01/16 17:09, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2016 17:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/01/16 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Only for visual effect..


I would say that is subjective though.

Er no. The visual effect of a slotted screw is *objectively* different
from the visual effect of a posidrive or other cross head, torx or hex
head..

So you are saying that the slotted screw looks like a ****?

That would make a pozidrive a starfish.

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:37:06 -0000, polygonum wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:23, Tim Watts wrote:
On 10/01/16 16:11, Bob Minchin wrote:
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The rest
of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use especially
where they won't be seen.

Personally, I prefer torx

And if your driver isn't aligned, you only have to turn it a maximum of
60 degrees (as against 90 for pozi/Philips, and 180 for slotted screws).

But pozi screws allow it to drop in when it aligns, so you just start turning gently until it drops in.

Straight wouldn't be so bad if the groove stopped before the edge of the screw. The main problem is the driver slides out the side.

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On 10/01/2016 17:37, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:01:27 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:14, ARW wrote:
"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The
rest of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use
especially where they won't be seen.


I would standardize all screws as PZ2s.

I wouldn't, PZ3 is a good intermediary before you get to coach screws.
And PZ1 has its place on smaller stuff.

As with everything, too many inbetweens. For example, why does a car
need 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20mm bolts? Why not just
5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20?

The sme reason as why the Rolls Royce Meriln engine used a 3BA bolt in
one situation - because it was the correct engineering solution

Malcolm

On 10/01/16 17:35, ARW wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 10/01/16 17:09, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2016 17:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/01/16 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Only for visual effect..


I would say that is subjective though.

Er no. The visual effect of a slotted screw is *objectively* different
from the visual effect of a posidrive or other cross head, torx or hex
head..


So you are saying that the slotted screw looks like a ****?

Er no. You are saying that.


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the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
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On 10/01/2016 17:45, Malcolm Race wrote:
On 10/01/2016 17:37, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:01:27 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:14, ARW wrote:
"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The
rest of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use
especially where they won't be seen.


I would standardize all screws as PZ2s.

I wouldn't, PZ3 is a good intermediary before you get to coach screws.
And PZ1 has its place on smaller stuff.

As with everything, too many inbetweens. For example, why does a car
need 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20mm bolts? Why not just
5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20?

The sme reason as why the Rolls Royce Meriln engine used a 3BA bolt in
one situation - because it was the correct engineering solution

Malcolm

And I am pretty sure most cars manage with about half a dozen. Typically
10, 13, and 15 rather than 11 and 14.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:45:48 -0000, Malcolm Race wrote:

On 10/01/2016 17:37, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:01:27 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:14, ARW wrote:
"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Furniture restorers love em and will usually buy up old stock. The
rest of us realise the poziheads are generally superior to use
especially where they won't be seen.


I would standardize all screws as PZ2s.

I wouldn't, PZ3 is a good intermediary before you get to coach screws.
And PZ1 has its place on smaller stuff.

As with everything, too many inbetweens. For example, why does a car
need 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20mm bolts? Why not just
5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20?

The sme reason as why the Rolls Royce Meriln engine used a 3BA bolt in
one situation - because it was the correct engineering solution

You don't need that many numbers. Where do you draw the line? A 3.78294572138mm bolt?

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On 10/01/16 17:50, Jonno wrote:
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 10/01/16 17:09, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2016 17:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/01/16 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?
Only for visual effect..


I would say that is subjective though.

Er no. The visual effect of a slotted screw is *objectively* different
from the visual effect of a posidrive or other cross head, torx or hex
head..


So you are saying that the slotted screw looks like a ****?


He'd use a mirror screw for that.

Another co9ntent free ad hominem from the man who always resembles his
own remarks.

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time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

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On 10/01/2016 17:25, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:58:22 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:22, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:12:31 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 10/01/2016 16:01, Bod wrote:
Are there any luddites in here still preferring the old fashioned
slotted screws?

Certainly not me. I suppose I might consider slotted brass anywhere
particularly visible on antique furniture.

Can you not get Pozidrive brass?

You can, and I might use them for somewhere visible on modern hardwood
(eg keyhole escutcheon), but they don't look right on anything antique
(IMHO).

Because they don't look old?

Exactly.