The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


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On Sunday, 6 December 2015 06:19:32 UTC, alan_m wrote:
The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


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Depends how frequently it happens.

"harry" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, 6 December 2015 06:19:32 UTC, alan_m wrote:
The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


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Depends how frequently it happens.

Global warming? Only since man has been on the planet, according to some
supposedly very smart people. Thank **** I'm not that smart.

The problem of course is that we seem to have short memories. As you suggest
if you are going to build on flood plains without any mitigation strategy,
then you get flooded. End of story.
The world is warming overall, but this has happened in cycles over many
many years prior to now. Yes we are making it worse, but then so did
volcanos and burning forests and all sorts of other things even before we
were a species.

It will be challenging, and we can make it slow down, but in the end we have
to try to live on the planet as it is with all its interlinked systems
evolved over millions of years, and building on places which have already
flooded does seem to be a very bad and stupid thing to do.

Brian

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"alan_m" wrote in message
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The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


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Its like Nuclear power and what to do with the dangerous waste. Even though
its small in comparison to the other ways to generate power, it seems that
keeping it and the living world apart for millennia is something nobody has
thought much about even today.
However if you go deep enough into the earths Mantle what do you find as
well as heat? Radiation of course.
Brian

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"harry" wrote in message
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On Sunday, 6 December 2015 06:19:32 UTC, alan_m wrote:
The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


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Depends how frequently it happens.

In article , Brian Gaff
writes
The world is warming overall, but this has happened in cycles over many
many years prior to now. Yes we are making it worse
Snip
Every model that has tried to demonstrate that has failed miserably.
--
bert

On 06/12/2015 10:15, Brian Gaff wrote:
Its like Nuclear power and what to do with the dangerous waste. Even though
its small in comparison to the other ways to generate power, it seems that
keeping it and the living world apart for millennia is something nobody has
thought much about even today.

Why would you want to keep it apart for millennia?
If its highly radioactive it decays away quickly.
If it doesn't decay away quickly its not very radioactive.

Its simple physics.

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , Brian Gaff
writes
The world is warming overall, but this has happened in cycles over many
many years prior to now. Yes we are making it worse
Snip
Every model that has tried to demonstrate that has failed miserably.

well of course they will

they're trying to model something that has never happens before, therefore
they have no data with which to create their model

It's a mug's game trying

tim

On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 06:19:35 +0000, alan_m wrote:

The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!

Yes, and the only solution is for everyone to pay more taxes.
Funny how whatever the problem is, the answer is always higher taxes. :-/

On 06/12/15 15:31, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 06:19:35 +0000, alan_m wrote:

The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!

Yes, and the only solution is for everyone to pay more taxes.
Funny how whatever the problem is, the answer is always higher taxes. :-/

So that instead of paying someone to do it yourself,. you pay someone
and a politician to do it for you.

All government is a self-legalising protection racket...

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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to actually
record and watch the situation. I do not suggest we are solely responsible
now, but if we can make a difference are you folk saying we should not
bother?
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"tim....." wrote in message
...

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , Brian Gaff
writes
The world is warming overall, but this has happened in cycles over many
many years prior to now. Yes we are making it worse
Snip
Every model that has tried to demonstrate that has failed miserably.

well of course they will

they're trying to model something that has never happens before, therefore
they have no data with which to create their model

It's a mug's game trying

tim

On 06/12/15 17:17, Brian-Gaff wrote:
The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to actually
record and watch the situation. I do not suggest we are solely responsible
now, but if we can make a difference are you folk saying we should not
bother?

The point is we cant make a difference.

Brian



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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 06/12/15 19:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Brian-Gaff
wrote:

The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to
actually record and watch the situation. I do not suggest we are
solely responsible now, but if we can make a difference are you folk
saying we should not bother?

TNP has given a decent enough analysis here of why we shouldn't, in
terms of considering what happens to us or China if warming does or
does not occur.

What the Greens profiteers and political left say
=================================================
Global warming is a certainty.
Its caused by humans
Its effects will be uniformly bad.
Ergo we should bankrupt ourselves to halt emissions and have a world
government.


What the real facts say
=======================
Global warming seems to have stopped
Its almost certainly not caused by humans
Its effects would be mostly positive.
Ergo those who want it 'fixed' want a world government.

Ask yourself why, and who that benefits..


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into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 06/12/2015 06:19, alan_m wrote:

The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


Worst floods for 100 years! It must be climate change!

I suppose they mean it's changed back to what it was 100 years ago...

Andy

In article , tim.....
writes

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , Brian Gaff
writes
The world is warming overall, but this has happened in cycles over many
many years prior to now. Yes we are making it worse
Snip
Every model that has tried to demonstrate that has failed miserably.

well of course they will

they're trying to model something that has never happens before,
therefore they have no data with which to create their model

It's a mug's game trying

tim


But a very lucrative mug's game
--
bert

In article , Vir
Campestris writes
On 06/12/2015 06:19, alan_m wrote:

The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


Worst floods for 100 years! It must be climate change!

I suppose they mean it's changed back to what it was 100 years ago...

Andy
It may well be climate change as the climate has been changing ever
since the earth was first formed. The unproven hypothesis is that the
change is being aggravated by human activity notably discharge of carbon
dioxide into the atmosphere
--
bert

On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 7:29:07 PM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
What the Greens profiteers and political left say
=================================================

You forgot to add every scientific institute on the planet to that.

What the real facts say
=======================

Presumably these are the 'real facts' in some alternate universe where WUWT isn't an anti-science nutjob web site.

Global warming seems to have stopped

Based on one of your recent posts, you place great trust in satellite records. Yeah, they are *really* reliable aren't they. Which set do you go for BTW? RSS or UAH? I seem to recall the nutjobs switched when one started showing less warming that the other.

Its almost certainly not caused by humans

Almost *certainly* eh? You must have some very strong evidence for that. I'll be looking forward to reading your paper. Nobel Prize material that.

Its effects would be mostly positive.

This seems to be one of the favourite claims of Matt Ridley and Nigel Lawson and cronies. Big fan of them are you? Ridley bases his opinion on Richard Tol's work, which is hardly watertight but even he admits that it is only positive up to 1.5 deg C, something that Ridley and that shower seem to gloss over.

On 06/12/2015 22:03, Tim Streater wrote:
Uh huh. An excellent neutral post, using first-class neutral terms such
as "nut-job", "anti-science", "shower", "cronies".

Just telling it like it is.

Y'know, carefully
chosen so as to convince one of the poster's impartiality.


I don't know what you mean by 'impartial' in this context. If I were
addressing a creationist or a flat-earther would you expect an
'impartial' tone?

On 06/12/15 21:20, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 06/12/2015 06:19, alan_m wrote:

The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


Worst floods for 100 years! It must be climate change!

I suppose they mean it's changed back to what it was 100 years ago...

Andy
The most significant thing is they are NOT saying its 'climate change'

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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 06/12/15 21:45, wrote:
On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 7:29:07 PM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
What the Greens profiteers and political left say
=================================================

You forgot to add every scientific institute on the planet to that.

They are owned by the political left dummy.


What the real facts say
=======================

Presumably these are the 'real facts' in some alternate universe where WUWT isn't an anti-science nutjob web site.

ROFLMAO. The real nutjob site is 'skepticalscience'


Global warming seems to have stopped

Based on one of your recent posts, you place great trust in satellite records. Yeah, they are *really* reliable aren't they. Which set do you go for BTW? RSS or UAH? I seem to recall the nutjobs switched when one started showing less warming that the other.

Its almost certainly not caused by humans

Almost *certainly* eh? You must have some very strong evidence for that. I'll be looking forward to reading your paper. Nobel Prize material that.



Its effects would be mostly positive.

This seems to be one of the favourite claims of Matt Ridley and Nigel Lawson and cronies. Big fan of them are you? Ridley bases his opinion on Richard Tol's work, which is hardly watertight but even he admits that it is only positive up to 1.5 deg C, something that Ridley and that shower seem to gloss over.

Oh dear. All received wisdom. no science and ad hominem attacks.

You are the archetypical green nutjob.


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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 06/12/15 22:53, Bob wrote:
On 06/12/2015 22:03, Tim Streater wrote:
Uh huh. An excellent neutral post, using first-class neutral terms such
as "nut-job", "anti-science", "shower", "cronies".

Just telling it like it is.

Y'know, carefully
chosen so as to convince one of the poster's impartiality.


I don't know what you mean by 'impartial' in this context. If I were
addressing a creationist or a flat-earther would you expect an
'impartial' tone?

Well we manage to be resasonably tolerant of green nutjobs

Like a rattlesnake ain't responsible for being a rattlesnake, but we
still put a bullet in its head, so it is with greens., They cant help
having been brainwashed.

Nothing personal.


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the biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 06/12/15 16:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/12/15 15:31, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Yes, and the only solution is for everyone to pay more taxes.
Funny how whatever the problem is, the answer is always higher taxes. :-/

So that instead of paying someone to do it yourself,. you pay someone
and a politician to do it for you.

All government is a self-legalising protection racket...

Stationary Bandits


Under anarchy, uncoordinated competitive theft by "roving bandits"
destroys the incentive to invest and produce, leaving little for either
the population or the bandits. Both can be better off if a bandit sets
himself up as a dictator-a "stationary bandit" who monopolizes and
rationalizes theft in the form of taxes

Dictatorship, Democracy, and Development
Mancur Olson
The American Political Science Review
Vol. 87, No. 3 (Sep., 1993), pp. 567-576




--
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On Sunday, 6 December 2015 14:38:51 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/12/2015 10:15, Brian Gaff wrote:
Its like Nuclear power and what to do with the dangerous waste. Even though
its small in comparison to the other ways to generate power, it seems that
keeping it and the living world apart for millennia is something nobody has
thought much about even today.

Why would you want to keep it apart for millennia?
If its highly radioactive it decays away quickly.
If it doesn't decay away quickly its not very radioactive.

Its simple physics.

No it's not.
Some materials remain dangerous after 100,000 years.

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 00:01:40 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:

Why would you want to keep it apart for millennia?
If its highly radioactive it decays away quickly.
If it doesn't decay away quickly its not very radioactive.

Its simple physics.

No it's not.
Some materials remain dangerous after 100,000 years.

Which?

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:17:52 -0000, Brian-Gaff wrote:

The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to
actually record and watch the situation.

Hum, 2005, 2009 together with the recent one makes three "100 year"
floods in 10 years(*) and well within living memory. Bear in mind
that since the 2009 flood the Carlise defences were raised in height
and flood gates fitted. These heightened defences were overtopped at
the weekend... The same applies to some of the other towns also
flooded again.

Some of the river gauges have been reported as giving readings 1 to 2
METRES above the highest ever recorded levels.

It ****ed it down solidly for about 36 hours up here at around 1/4"
per hour. But we are in the Tyne catchment area so flooded Hayden
Bridge, Haltwhistle, Hexham, Corbridge ...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 07/12/15 09:50, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 00:01:40 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:

Why would you want to keep it apart for millennia?
If its highly radioactive it decays away quickly.
If it doesn't decay away quickly its not very radioactive.

Its simple physics.

No it's not.
Some materials remain dangerous after 100,000 years.

Which?

Well, Corbyn dioxide, obviously.


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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 07/12/15 09:58, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:17:52 -0000, Brian-Gaff wrote:

The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to
actually record and watch the situation.

Hum, 2005, 2009 together with the recent one makes three "100 year"
floods in 10 years(*) and well within living memory. Bear in mind
that since the 2009 flood the Carlise defences were raised in height
and flood gates fitted. These heightened defences were overtopped at
the weekend... The same applies to some of the other towns also
flooded again.

Some of the river gauges have been reported as giving readings 1 to 2
METRES above the highest ever recorded levels.

It ****ed it down solidly for about 36 hours up here at around 1/4"
per hour. But we are in the Tyne catchment area so flooded Hayden
Bridge, Haltwhistle, Hexham, Corbridge ...

Ahem. Every year we get a once in a 100 year flood SOMEWHERE.


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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 07/12/15 10:49, Jonno wrote:
Dave Liquorice scribbled


On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:17:52 -0000, Brian-Gaff wrote:

The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to
actually record and watch the situation.

Hum, 2005, 2009 together with the recent one makes three "100 year"
floods in 10 years(*) and well within living memory. Bear in mind
that since the 2009 flood the Carlise defences were raised in height
and flood gates fitted. These heightened defences were overtopped at
the weekend... The same applies to some of the other towns also
flooded again.

Some of the river gauges have been reported as giving readings 1 to 2
METRES above the highest ever recorded levels.

It ****ed it down solidly for about 36 hours up here at around 1/4"
per hour. But we are in the Tyne catchment area so flooded Hayden
Bridge, Haltwhistle, Hexham, Corbridge ...


Apparently 14 inches of rain in the Carlise area.

It has rained here every day for around a month. That isn't normal
weather.

In Carlisle? Yes it is.


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the biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 07/12/15 10:49, Jonno wrote:
Dave Liquorice scribbled


On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:17:52 -0000, Brian-Gaff wrote:

The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to
actually record and watch the situation.

Hum, 2005, 2009 together with the recent one makes three "100 year"
floods in 10 years(*) and well within living memory. Bear in mind
that since the 2009 flood the Carlise defences were raised in height
and flood gates fitted. These heightened defences were overtopped at
the weekend... The same applies to some of the other towns also
flooded again.

Some of the river gauges have been reported as giving readings 1 to 2
METRES above the highest ever recorded levels.

It ****ed it down solidly for about 36 hours up here at around 1/4"
per hour. But we are in the Tyne catchment area so flooded Hayden
Bridge, Haltwhistle, Hexham, Corbridge ...


Apparently 14 inches of rain in the Carlise area.

It has rained here every day for around a month. That isn't normal
weather.

"Some general figures for average weather in the Lake District are 200
wet days/year"

FACT

http://www.lakedistrict.gov.uk/learn...ces/ks2climate

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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
The notion that it is the warmest summer ever is probably cock anyway.
How long do we have records for - not that long. And that the Romans
grew grapes here 2000 years ago is a bit of a giveaway.

Eh? You can grow grapes outdoors in several parts of the UK. But perhaps
not the best choice of crop with transport being so quick/easy now. Which
wasn't the case in Roman times.

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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
It has rained here every day for around a month. That isn't normal
weather.

In Carlisle? Yes it is.

So Carlisle is permanently flooded then?

Or did you actually have a sensible point to make?

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On 07/12/15 12:38, Jonno wrote:
The Natural Philosopher scribbled


On 07/12/15 10:49, Jonno wrote:
Dave Liquorice scribbled


On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:17:52 -0000, Brian-Gaff wrote:

The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to
actually record and watch the situation.

Hum, 2005, 2009 together with the recent one makes three "100 year"
floods in 10 years(*) and well within living memory. Bear in mind
that since the 2009 flood the Carlise defences were raised in height
and flood gates fitted. These heightened defences were overtopped at
the weekend... The same applies to some of the other towns also
flooded again.

Some of the river gauges have been reported as giving readings 1 to 2
METRES above the highest ever recorded levels.

It ****ed it down solidly for about 36 hours up here at around 1/4"
per hour. But we are in the Tyne catchment area so flooded Hayden
Bridge, Haltwhistle, Hexham, Corbridge ...


Apparently 14 inches of rain in the Carlise area.

It has rained here every day for around a month. That isn't normal
weather.

In Carlisle? Yes it is.


You have a problem reading "here" ?


You think I am psychic? Are you on Brazil?

Unlike you, I dont stalk people online to discover where they live.

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the biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 07/12/15 12:40, Jonno wrote:
The Natural Philosopher scribbled


On 07/12/15 10:49, Jonno wrote:
Dave Liquorice scribbled


On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:17:52 -0000, Brian-Gaff wrote:

The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to
actually record and watch the situation.

Hum, 2005, 2009 together with the recent one makes three "100 year"
floods in 10 years(*) and well within living memory. Bear in mind
that since the 2009 flood the Carlise defences were raised in height
and flood gates fitted. These heightened defences were overtopped at
the weekend... The same applies to some of the other towns also
flooded again.

Some of the river gauges have been reported as giving readings 1 to 2
METRES above the highest ever recorded levels.

It ****ed it down solidly for about 36 hours up here at around 1/4"
per hour. But we are in the Tyne catchment area so flooded Hayden
Bridge, Haltwhistle, Hexham, Corbridge ...


Apparently 14 inches of rain in the Carlise area.

It has rained here every day for around a month. That isn't normal
weather.

"Some general figures for average weather in the Lake District are 200
wet days/year"

FACT

http://www.lakedistrict.gov.uk/learn...ces/ks2climate

So what. I don't live in the Lake District. Any mention in your
homework about 14 inches falling in a couple of days?


I thought you knew basic statistics. I stand corrected.





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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
The notion that it is the warmest summer ever is probably cock anyway.
How long do we have records for - not that long. And that the Romans
grew grapes here 2000 years ago is a bit of a giveaway.

Eh? You can grow grapes outdoors in several parts of the UK. But perhaps
not the best choice of crop with transport being so quick/easy now. Which
wasn't the case in Roman times.

There are several commercial vineyards in the UK, though most seem to be
south of the Thames.

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On 07/12/15 13:00, charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
The notion that it is the warmest summer ever is probably cock anyway.
How long do we have records for - not that long. And that the Romans
grew grapes here 2000 years ago is a bit of a giveaway.

Eh? You can grow grapes outdoors in several parts of the UK. But perhaps
not the best choice of crop with transport being so quick/easy now. Which
wasn't the case in Roman times.

There are several commercial vineyards in the UK, though most seem to be
south of the Thames.

Or East Anglia


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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On Monday, 7 December 2015 13:29:51 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/12/15 13:00, charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
The notion that it is the warmest summer ever is probably cock anyway.
How long do we have records for - not that long. And that the Romans
grew grapes here 2000 years ago is a bit of a giveaway.

Eh? You can grow grapes outdoors in several parts of the UK. But perhaps
not the best choice of crop with transport being so quick/easy now. Which
wasn't the case in Roman times.

There are several commercial vineyards in the UK, though most seem to be
south of the Thames.

Or East Anglia

or Scotland, but I'm afraid they might deep fry the grapes.

On 07/12/2015 13:00, charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:

The notion that it is the warmest summer ever is probably cock anyway.
How long do we have records for - not that long. And that the Romans
grew grapes here 2000 years ago is a bit of a giveaway.

Eh? You can grow grapes outdoors in several parts of the UK. But perhaps
not the best choice of crop with transport being so quick/easy now. Which
wasn't the case in Roman times.

There are several commercial vineyards in the UK, though most seem to be
south of the Thames.

Edith Sitwells estate at Renishaw Hall used to be the most northerly
until a few years ago:

http://www.sitwell.co.uk/your-visit/vineyard.aspx

Ryedale near York is still claiming to be the most northerly commercial
vineyard:

http://www.ryedalevineyards.co.uk/how-to-find-us.html

There are now several other vineyards further north at Helmsley and
environs and I think the most northerly is presently somewhere near
Carnforth. Although that may also have changed...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/...d-Britain.html

The other crucial point is that these are wineries making commercial
products that will stand comparison with quality wines.

Not some gut rot for homesick Centurions to drown their sorrows in.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

On 07/12/15 14:39, Martin Brown wrote:
On 07/12/2015 13:00, charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:

The notion that it is the warmest summer ever is probably cock anyway.
How long do we have records for - not that long. And that the Romans
grew grapes here 2000 years ago is a bit of a giveaway.

Eh? You can grow grapes outdoors in several parts of the UK. But perhaps
not the best choice of crop with transport being so quick/easy now.
Which
wasn't the case in Roman times.

There are several commercial vineyards in the UK, though most seem to be
south of the Thames.

Edith Sitwells estate at Renishaw Hall used to be the most northerly
until a few years ago:

http://www.sitwell.co.uk/your-visit/vineyard.aspx

Ryedale near York is still claiming to be the most northerly commercial
vineyard:

http://www.ryedalevineyards.co.uk/how-to-find-us.html

There are now several other vineyards further north at Helmsley and
environs and I think the most northerly is presently somewhere near
Carnforth. Although that may also have changed...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/...d-Britain.html


The other crucial point is that these are wineries making commercial
products that will stand comparison with quality wines.

Not some gut rot for homesick Centurions to drown their sorrows in.

Well exactly, that's what beer was invented for..


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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

In article ,
harry writes
On Sunday, 6 December 2015 14:38:51 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/12/2015 10:15, Brian Gaff wrote:
Its like Nuclear power and what to do with the dangerous waste. Even though
its small in comparison to the other ways to generate power, it seems that
keeping it and the living world apart for millennia is something nobody has
thought much about even today.

Why would you want to keep it apart for millennia?
If its highly radioactive it decays away quickly.
If it doesn't decay away quickly its not very radioactive.

Its simple physics.

No it's not.
Some materials remain dangerous after 100,000 years.
Mostly those used in solar panels and cfl light bulbs.
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bert

On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 10:27:16 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

Hum, 2005, 2009 together with the recent one makes three "100
year"
floods in 10 years(*) and well within living memory.

Ahem. Every year we get a once in a 100 year flood SOMEWHERE.

Ah. Is this chap suffering from cot-death-statistics syndrome?

No, if you notice I did put "100 year" in quotes and an asterix to
link to a footnote that I forgot to write that would have said that I
do know that the "100 year flood" doesn't mean that you'll only get
one in any 100 year period.

Saw somewhere today that it meant 1 in 100 chance per year to get
such an event but with 365 days in a year doen't that imply 3 to 4
such events/year?

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Dave.