The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


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On Sunday, 6 December 2015 06:19:32 UTC, alan_m wrote:
The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


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Depends how frequently it happens.

"harry" wrote in message
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On Sunday, 6 December 2015 06:19:32 UTC, alan_m wrote:
The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


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Depends how frequently it happens.

Global warming? Only since man has been on the planet, according to some
supposedly very smart people. Thank **** I'm not that smart.

Its like Nuclear power and what to do with the dangerous waste. Even though
its small in comparison to the other ways to generate power, it seems that
keeping it and the living world apart for millennia is something nobody has
thought much about even today.
However if you go deep enough into the earths Mantle what do you find as
well as heat? Radiation of course.
Brian

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"harry" wrote in message
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On Sunday, 6 December 2015 06:19:32 UTC, alan_m wrote:
The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


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Depends how frequently it happens.

On 06/12/2015 10:15, Brian Gaff wrote:
Its like Nuclear power and what to do with the dangerous waste. Even though
its small in comparison to the other ways to generate power, it seems that
keeping it and the living world apart for millennia is something nobody has
thought much about even today.

Why would you want to keep it apart for millennia?
If its highly radioactive it decays away quickly.
If it doesn't decay away quickly its not very radioactive.

Its simple physics.

On Sunday, 6 December 2015 14:38:51 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/12/2015 10:15, Brian Gaff wrote:
Its like Nuclear power and what to do with the dangerous waste. Even though
its small in comparison to the other ways to generate power, it seems that
keeping it and the living world apart for millennia is something nobody has
thought much about even today.

Why would you want to keep it apart for millennia?
If its highly radioactive it decays away quickly.
If it doesn't decay away quickly its not very radioactive.

Its simple physics.

No it's not.
Some materials remain dangerous after 100,000 years.

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 00:01:40 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:

Why would you want to keep it apart for millennia?
If its highly radioactive it decays away quickly.
If it doesn't decay away quickly its not very radioactive.

Its simple physics.

No it's not.
Some materials remain dangerous after 100,000 years.

Which?

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In article ,
harry writes
On Sunday, 6 December 2015 14:38:51 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/12/2015 10:15, Brian Gaff wrote:
Its like Nuclear power and what to do with the dangerous waste. Even though
its small in comparison to the other ways to generate power, it seems that
keeping it and the living world apart for millennia is something nobody has
thought much about even today.

Why would you want to keep it apart for millennia?
If its highly radioactive it decays away quickly.
If it doesn't decay away quickly its not very radioactive.

Its simple physics.

No it's not.
Some materials remain dangerous after 100,000 years.
Mostly those used in solar panels and cfl light bulbs.
--
bert

On 07/12/2015 08:01, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 6 December 2015 14:38:51 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/12/2015 10:15, Brian Gaff wrote:
Its like Nuclear power and what to do with the dangerous waste. Even though
its small in comparison to the other ways to generate power, it seems that
keeping it and the living world apart for millennia is something nobody has
thought much about even today.

Why would you want to keep it apart for millennia?
If its highly radioactive it decays away quickly.
If it doesn't decay away quickly its not very radioactive.

Its simple physics.

No it's not.
Some materials remain dangerous after 100,000 years.

Not from radioactivity.

Yes, plutonium is plain old poisonous, and there's cadmium and stuff
like that in there too - but it isn't the radioactivity, so it's no more
a problem than the soil in an old steelworks - which nobody panics over.
(though perhaps they should!)

Andy

On 07/12/2015 08:01, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 6 December 2015 14:38:51 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/12/2015 10:15, Brian Gaff wrote:
Its like Nuclear power and what to do with the dangerous waste. Even though
its small in comparison to the other ways to generate power, it seems that
keeping it and the living world apart for millennia is something nobody has
thought much about even today.

Why would you want to keep it apart for millennia?
If its highly radioactive it decays away quickly.
If it doesn't decay away quickly its not very radioactive.

Its simple physics.

No it's not.
Some materials remain dangerous after 100,000 years.


So which ones are highly radioactive after 100,000 years then?

The problem of course is that we seem to have short memories. As you suggest
if you are going to build on flood plains without any mitigation strategy,
then you get flooded. End of story.
The world is warming overall, but this has happened in cycles over many
many years prior to now. Yes we are making it worse, but then so did
volcanos and burning forests and all sorts of other things even before we
were a species.

It will be challenging, and we can make it slow down, but in the end we have
to try to live on the planet as it is with all its interlinked systems
evolved over millions of years, and building on places which have already
flooded does seem to be a very bad and stupid thing to do.

Brian

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"alan_m" wrote in message
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The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


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In article , Brian Gaff
writes
The world is warming overall, but this has happened in cycles over many
many years prior to now. Yes we are making it worse
Snip
Every model that has tried to demonstrate that has failed miserably.
--
bert

"bert" wrote in message
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In article , Brian Gaff
writes
The world is warming overall, but this has happened in cycles over many
many years prior to now. Yes we are making it worse
Snip
Every model that has tried to demonstrate that has failed miserably.

well of course they will

they're trying to model something that has never happens before, therefore
they have no data with which to create their model

It's a mug's game trying

tim

The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to actually
record and watch the situation. I do not suggest we are solely responsible
now, but if we can make a difference are you folk saying we should not
bother?
Brian

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"tim....." wrote in message
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"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , Brian Gaff
writes
The world is warming overall, but this has happened in cycles over many
many years prior to now. Yes we are making it worse
Snip
Every model that has tried to demonstrate that has failed miserably.

well of course they will

they're trying to model something that has never happens before, therefore
they have no data with which to create their model

It's a mug's game trying

tim

On 06/12/15 17:17, Brian-Gaff wrote:
The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to actually
record and watch the situation. I do not suggest we are solely responsible
now, but if we can make a difference are you folk saying we should not
bother?

The point is we cant make a difference.

Brian



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into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:17:52 -0000, Brian-Gaff wrote:

The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to
actually record and watch the situation.

Hum, 2005, 2009 together with the recent one makes three "100 year"
floods in 10 years(*) and well within living memory. Bear in mind
that since the 2009 flood the Carlise defences were raised in height
and flood gates fitted. These heightened defences were overtopped at
the weekend... The same applies to some of the other towns also
flooded again.

Some of the river gauges have been reported as giving readings 1 to 2
METRES above the highest ever recorded levels.

It ****ed it down solidly for about 36 hours up here at around 1/4"
per hour. But we are in the Tyne catchment area so flooded Hayden
Bridge, Haltwhistle, Hexham, Corbridge ...

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On 06/12/15 19:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Brian-Gaff
wrote:

The problem is that when it happened before nobody was around to
actually record and watch the situation. I do not suggest we are
solely responsible now, but if we can make a difference are you folk
saying we should not bother?

TNP has given a decent enough analysis here of why we shouldn't, in
terms of considering what happens to us or China if warming does or
does not occur.

What the Greens profiteers and political left say
=================================================
Global warming is a certainty.
Its caused by humans
Its effects will be uniformly bad.
Ergo we should bankrupt ourselves to halt emissions and have a world
government.


What the real facts say
=======================
Global warming seems to have stopped
Its almost certainly not caused by humans
Its effects would be mostly positive.
Ergo those who want it 'fixed' want a world government.

Ask yourself why, and who that benefits..


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the biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

In article , tim.....
writes

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , Brian Gaff
writes
The world is warming overall, but this has happened in cycles over many
many years prior to now. Yes we are making it worse
Snip
Every model that has tried to demonstrate that has failed miserably.

well of course they will

they're trying to model something that has never happens before,
therefore they have no data with which to create their model

It's a mug's game trying

tim


But a very lucrative mug's game
--
bert

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , Brian Gaff
writes
The world is warming overall, but this has happened in cycles over many
many years prior to now. Yes we are making it worse
Snip
Every model that has tried to demonstrate that has failed miserably.

Sure, but that might well be because it's a much
smaller effect than the other non man made ones.

It is clear that the area where major citys like London
are are considerably warmer than what was there
before them, and it would be a lot more surprising
if they weren't given the massive amount of energy
that is put into the area when it is a major city.

It must be a relatively small effect tho given that we
do know without any doubt at all that the CO2 levels
have increased dramatically, but temperatures haven't.

Presumably we will work out the
detail of what is going on eventually.

The other important question is whether it matters
even if it is warming up a little more than it would
otherwise do. IMO that is unlikely when we have
seen quite dramatic changes in only a bit more
than our lifetime like the Thames not freezing
anymore and things working out fine anyway.

On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 06:19:35 +0000, alan_m wrote:

The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!

Yes, and the only solution is for everyone to pay more taxes.
Funny how whatever the problem is, the answer is always higher taxes. :-/

On 06/12/15 15:31, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 06:19:35 +0000, alan_m wrote:

The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!

Yes, and the only solution is for everyone to pay more taxes.
Funny how whatever the problem is, the answer is always higher taxes. :-/

So that instead of paying someone to do it yourself,. you pay someone
and a politician to do it for you.

All government is a self-legalising protection racket...

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the biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 06/12/15 16:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/12/15 15:31, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Yes, and the only solution is for everyone to pay more taxes.
Funny how whatever the problem is, the answer is always higher taxes. :-/

So that instead of paying someone to do it yourself,. you pay someone
and a politician to do it for you.

All government is a self-legalising protection racket...

Stationary Bandits


Under anarchy, uncoordinated competitive theft by "roving bandits"
destroys the incentive to invest and produce, leaving little for either
the population or the bandits. Both can be better off if a bandit sets
himself up as a dictator-a "stationary bandit" who monopolizes and
rationalizes theft in the form of taxes

Dictatorship, Democracy, and Development
Mancur Olson
The American Political Science Review
Vol. 87, No. 3 (Sep., 1993), pp. 567-576




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(–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿)

On 06/12/2015 06:19, alan_m wrote:

The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


Worst floods for 100 years! It must be climate change!

I suppose they mean it's changed back to what it was 100 years ago...

Andy

In article , Vir
Campestris writes
On 06/12/2015 06:19, alan_m wrote:

The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


Worst floods for 100 years! It must be climate change!

I suppose they mean it's changed back to what it was 100 years ago...

Andy
It may well be climate change as the climate has been changing ever
since the earth was first formed. The unproven hypothesis is that the
change is being aggravated by human activity notably discharge of carbon
dioxide into the atmosphere
--
bert

On 06/12/15 21:20, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 06/12/2015 06:19, alan_m wrote:

The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


Worst floods for 100 years! It must be climate change!

I suppose they mean it's changed back to what it was 100 years ago...

Andy
The most significant thing is they are NOT saying its 'climate change'

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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On Sunday, 6 December 2015 23:05:56 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/12/15 21:20, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 06/12/2015 06:19, alan_m wrote:

The news seems to be full of reports that flood plains have flooded and
that areas that have been flooded regularly for the past 500 years are
flooded again. It's all due to global warming!


Worst floods for 100 years! It must be climate change!

I suppose they mean it's changed back to what it was 100 years ago...

Andy
The most significant thing is they are NOT saying its 'climate change'

Yes they are.
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-12-08/c...d-devastation/