On 04/10/2015 14:10, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 13:20:22 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:50, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:26:49 +0100, Bod wrote:

Our garden is always full of wasps and bees due to my wife planting
loads of flowers. They never bother us and in the 12 years we've lived
here we have never been stung.

The flowers are irrelevant as far as wasps are concerned. Wasps don't
visit flowers. Wasp larvae are carnivorous. Wasps keep the garden free
of pests like greenfly and caterpillars.

I'm afraid you are wrong, Chris.

Do Wasps Pollinate Flowers?

Quite simply, YES!

http://www.buzzaboutbees.net/do-wasps-pollinate.html


Hmm. Possibly a chance observation, or possibly wasps do visit flowers
to get the pollen. What they don't do is visit flowers for their
nectar: that is what bees do.

I wouldn't know about that, but what I do know is that they definitely
visit our flowers a lot.

"Bod" wrote in message
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On 04/10/2015 12:38, Ophelia wrote:


"Bod" wrote in message
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On 04/10/2015 12:05, David Lang wrote:
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
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I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this
morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a
few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack
every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.

You're a drama queen.

Does he wear a big fancy wig and a ball gown too? ;-)



Not sure, but his boyfriend might :-)

Oooooooooh I thay ...

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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 23:22:18 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 18:29:01 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

MM wrote:
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.
The wasps had built a nest in the ground, but you couldn't see the
entrance as they had tunnelled down through the undergrowth (which I
can't cut away till they're gone).

The chap donned a bee suit, got a very long lance on a pressure
sprayer and puffed loads of white powder into the tunnel. He reckoned
they'd all be gone by later today, or tommorow at the latest.

What about the stragglers? They were out foraging when he was spraying
the nest. Some are returning. What happens? Do they enter the tunnel,
take a bite of some of the powder, and die? Or what?

He said if they haven't gone by Monday, give him a call and he'll come
and do it again. But I really want to cut back the undergrowth so that
I see the actual entrance. Yesterday I tried rapidly raking back the
long grass around where they fly in and out, but that made 'em really
angry and I got stung once on the wrist, despite wearing gloves and a
thick jacket. (Should have put the sleeves inside the gloves and
secured with a rubber band.) That wasp sting was RUDDY painful and the
pain lasted all day, easily 12 hours. It's subsided now though.

MM

No sympathy,if you left them alone they would not have stung you, it is
your own fault.

Sorry, but I simply cannot work in the garden cutting back the weeds
if by doing so I disturb a wasp nest from which hordes of angry wasps
exit and go on the attack.

Tell you what, if there's a next time, I'll get YOU to clear away the
weeds and stuff, okay? But you'll chicken out, won't you?

Maybe you'd like me to buy a bee suit to do the gardening in?

MM

Do the gardening in a couple of weeks when they are not a
problem.Problem solved.

Hah! You glibly say "not a problem", but I reckon these f*ckers are
going to hang around all winter, just to be a damn nuisance.

MM

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 13:12:19 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Brian-Gaff
wrote:

Wasps get very drowsy toward their end of season. Where do you think they
overwinter? This is the time they sting as they really don't know what they
are doing at all.

Only the queens overwinter, the rest die as soon as the frost hits.

Trouble is, we get a lot of breezes off the North Sea, but not much
frost.

MM

"F Murtz" wrote in message
eb.com...
ARW wrote:
"MM" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
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I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


And?




Exactly.



Indeed.


--
Adam

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 14:10:24 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 13:20:22 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:50, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:26:49 +0100, Bod wrote:

Our garden is always full of wasps and bees due to my wife planting
loads of flowers. They never bother us and in the 12 years we've lived
here we have never been stung.

The flowers are irrelevant as far as wasps are concerned. Wasps don't
visit flowers. Wasp larvae are carnivorous. Wasps keep the garden free
of pests like greenfly and caterpillars.

I'm afraid you are wrong, Chris.

Do Wasps Pollinate Flowers?

Quite simply, YES!

http://www.buzzaboutbees.net/do-wasps-pollinate.html


Hmm. Possibly a chance observation, or possibly wasps do visit flowers
to get the pollen. What they don't do is visit flowers for their
nectar: that is what bees do.

They probably visit flowers just in case there's something in there
that they can sting.

MM

On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 13:51:57 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:58, MM wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:26:49 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:07, David Lang wrote:

Yes they would. Wasps are evil gits.

Our garden is always full of wasps and bees due to my wife planting
loads of flowers. They never bother us and in the 12 years we've lived
here we have never been stung.

But do you have a WASP NEST?

Not this year. But in the past have had them in various sheds etc. Leave
them alone and they will leave you alone. The nests are very intricately
made from reconstituted wood fibre making a paper structure.

I draw the line at having them in the house or cavity wall but in the
garden they eat caterpillars and pollinate plants.

I have once put a spade through an unknown wasps nest up against a
rotting fence post. Only thing I could do was run like hell and get
indoors. I didn't actually get stung but the spade stayed put.

Pest control did see it off with the white powder. Back then DDT?

He's coming tomorrow again and will blast them again.

MM

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 13:14:31 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , MM
wrote:

On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:18:35 +0100, "Brian-Gaff"
wrote:

You normally need to wait a couple of days, as some may not have taken the
poison as yet. I have no issue with them if they are well out of my way, but
as you found out, if they take up residence where you need to do work, they
are very territorial and are not phased by your size.

I had one under the bathroom floor and as you can imagine, a naked person in
that room is rather vulnerable. The other problem is that my next door
neighbour as a small hole in the wall under the floor and they were all
coming up in their bathroom as well.
The guy had to don protection and cut a floorboard to shove the poison in,
then he shut the bathroom off so I had to pee in a bottle for a few hours.
However two days later, just a few lost wasps were seen looking lost. We
put a narrow mesh over all the air bricks the next day.
Brian

So some of the little *******s still managed to survive for 48
hours!!!

I thought "my" nest was utterly dead, but I reckon they have a tactic.
They sense that most have died, so the survivors "play dead" by
ceasing all flying activity. Meanwhile down in the nest they're
f**king each other senseless to produce new ones as fast as possible.

Only the queen lays eggs and she had her honeymoon in the spring, never
to be repeated.

That'll teach the old S****horpe.

MM

MM wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 18:25:00 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

ARW wrote:
"MM" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
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I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


And?




Exactly.

You don't mind getting stung, then? What about your kids? What about
the neighbours? These were not just a couple of random wasps visiting
the neighbourhood. These were hundreds of the buggers flying in and
out of a nest not 6 feet from my kitchen window. Should I never open
that window again? Would that suit?

MM


I have never been stung by a hornet or wasp and I live in a country with
probably many more stinging biting annoying things than you have,now if
you were talking about mosquitoes it would be a different matter.
I have been stung by bees a couple of times and if I had been the bee I
would have stung me.
one I rode into at 40 MPH on a scooter and another I trod on .
I have stood still many times when a mud hornet has hovered 6 inches in
front of my face with its mud ball in hand seeing if I was a threat.

MM wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 18:29:01 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

MM wrote:
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.
The wasps had built a nest in the ground, but you couldn't see the
entrance as they had tunnelled down through the undergrowth (which I
can't cut away till they're gone).

The chap donned a bee suit, got a very long lance on a pressure
sprayer and puffed loads of white powder into the tunnel. He reckoned
they'd all be gone by later today, or tommorow at the latest.

What about the stragglers? They were out foraging when he was spraying
the nest. Some are returning. What happens? Do they enter the tunnel,
take a bite of some of the powder, and die? Or what?

He said if they haven't gone by Monday, give him a call and he'll come
and do it again. But I really want to cut back the undergrowth so that
I see the actual entrance. Yesterday I tried rapidly raking back the
long grass around where they fly in and out, but that made 'em really
angry and I got stung once on the wrist, despite wearing gloves and a
thick jacket. (Should have put the sleeves inside the gloves and
secured with a rubber band.) That wasp sting was RUDDY painful and the
pain lasted all day, easily 12 hours. It's subsided now though.

MM

No sympathy,if you left them alone they would not have stung you, it is
your own fault.

Sorry, but I simply cannot work in the garden cutting back the weeds
if by doing so I disturb a wasp nest from which hordes of angry wasps
exit and go on the attack.

Tell you what, if there's a next time, I'll get YOU to clear away the
weeds and stuff, okay? But you'll chicken out, won't you?

Maybe you'd like me to buy a bee suit to do the gardening in?

MM

Do the gardening in a couple of weeks when they are not a
problem.Problem solved.

On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 13:29:12 +0100, Michael Chare
wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:18, Brian-Gaff wrote:


We have just been in Corsica. Several of the hotels we stayed at had
outside dining tables for breakfast and in two cases dinner.

The hotels had something to put on the tables that burnt to distract the
wasps which always came.

Food?

I found that given a choice, the wasps preferred ham or bacon to jam, so
I put a sample on the table as far from us as practical.

Maybe I could entice my wasps away like the Pied Piper but with a
slice of ham on a stick. What kind of ham, do you think? I've got
German baked ham in the fridge, all the way from Bavaria. But they
might turn up their proboscises at that "foreign muck".

My mum used to set a jam jar half-full of water on the windowsill with
some jam smeared around the top. That caught a lot of wasps.

Actually, that just gave me an idea! I have plenty of jam jars and
some jam.... hmmm.... Oh no! The jam is made in Belgium!

MM

On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 13:45:46 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

Leave well alone for several days until the poison has had time to act.

Well, the bloke is returning tomorrow anyway, but do you think it
takes days for the stuff to work? He reckoned yesterday that they'd be
gone by today. And I really thought they had -- until I started
cutting back the mass of greenery that has grown up while they've been
there.

MM

"F Murtz" wrote in message
eb.com...
Do the gardening in a couple of weeks when they are not a problem.Problem
solved.

Wrong answer. Why should we have to alter our plans to fit in with wasps? At
present it is nice weather for gardening. By the time the wasps have gone it
may be rainy/cold/windy.

I agree with the OP. If the wasps were doing no harm, then they should be
allowed to stay. But if they are close to a house and are threatening anyone
who goes outside, whether or not they actually sting (and they did sting the
OP) then they must go - or else be urged to "buzz off" somewhere else.

Be grateful that you are not allergic (like my wife) to wasp stings - she
suffered a severe anaphylactic shock after one stung her a few years ago and
had to be rushed to hospital because her airway swelled up. Since then, I
have to do any gardening near to wasps because she's not prepared to take
the risk again. We are always glad when the weather turns cold and kills off
wasps.

On 04/10/2015 12:17, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
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On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

https://themundanemusingsofme.files....wasp.jpg?w=630

On 04/10/2015 13:02, MM wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:50:51 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:26:49 +0100, Bod wrote:

Our garden is always full of wasps and bees due to my wife planting
loads of flowers. They never bother us and in the 12 years we've lived
here we have never been stung.

The flowers are irrelevant as far as wasps are concerned. Wasps don't
visit flowers. Wasp larvae are carnivorous. Wasps keep the garden free
of pests like greenfly and caterpillars.

Sorry, I'd far rather keep the greenfly and caterpillars. They've
never done me any harm. I can happily co-exist with them. But NOT with
the wasps. Even if I have to buy a friggin' bee suit myself and a
gallon of petrol, They.Are.Gonna.Die!

I don't mind a stray wasp, but there are hundreds in the back garden.
Well, not as many since yesterday's blast with the poison dust, but
still far too many for comfort.

MM

https://themundanemusingsofme.files....wasp.jpg?w=630

On 04/10/2015 12:28, Bod wrote:
On 04/10/2015 12:17, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
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On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this
morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a
few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack
every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending themselves.

The last one that stung me was when I went over a speed hump, and a wasp
was lying in wait between me and my seat. It stung me just before being
squished between me and the seat. The pain was many times worse than a
couple of bee stings I've had and the intensity lasted many hours.

Whilst I put up with wasps around me, they tend to be very cheeky in
obtaining food, and I hate them being around children who if stung will
just perpetuate their fear and hate for wasps.

In message , MM
writes
On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 08:16:29 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , MM
writes
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:23:54 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , ARW
writes
"MM" wrote in message
om...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a few
weeks due to nature.

Yes but all those queens would be hibernating and ready to start again
next year.

There is no shortage of Wasps here despite my efforts in the Spring.

It is ludicrous for people to say we should keep an active wasp nest
in the garden just yards from where children are playing or neighbours
are relaxing. I couldn't give a flying f**k about nature, I just
wanted the venomous little critters destroyed with ultimate prejudice,
especially after having been stung, the severe pain of which lasted
ALL day.

And that seems to have happened! I am very, very thankful for
chemicals, and many thanks to men with lances.

I come from a long line of soft fruit growers and have a built in
prejudice:-)

However, if they are not an inconvenience, I'm inclined to leave them
alone. Without such predators we would be feet deep in Greenfly each
year.

THEY HAVEN'T ALL DIED!!! I just went out there with the long-handled
garden shears and started cutting away and quite a few suddenly flew
out! I rang the chappie again and he's coming tomorrow to give them
another blast. Ruddy good job I put on thick gloves, thick jacket with
elastic bands around the sleeves, plus a brimmed hat with net curtain
material draped over and tightly stuffed inside the jacket. I didn't
get stung this time.

That should be safe enough.

He said, can you see the entrance hole any better? And I have to say,
no, not yet. That's why I wanted to cut the long grass around the spot
where they fly in to reveal the entrance clearly.

Get kitted up and try again. The chemical may not have destroyed the
brood which may continue to emerge.

Dunno what else to do. I thought, maybe set up the rotary mower, wait
till dusk, put my rudimentary "bee suit" back on and mow over the area
a couple of times. But I fear that's going to really set them off
again. Plus, the grass catcher would be full of dying wasps and maybe
some really lively ones.

I guess you could leave your shears for the professional to use.

**** nature!!

Well, some of it.
I have got upwards of 20 Mallards from the neighbouring shoot doing
acrobatics to reach my ripening grapes.
Before that they were catching Crane flies on the lawn and playing shove
halfpenny with the windfall apples.

--
Tim Lamb

On 04/10/2015 14:14, Ophelia wrote:


"Bod" wrote in message
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On 04/10/2015 12:38, Ophelia wrote:


"Bod" wrote in message
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On 04/10/2015 12:05, David Lang wrote:
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this
morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a
few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without
wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack
every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.

You're a drama queen.

Does he wear a big fancy wig and a ball gown too? ;-)



Not sure, but his boyfriend might :-)

Oooooooooh I thay ...


Dave aka The Medwayfatman Lang and fat Tony are together, there used to
be a threesome but Mr Benn croaked.

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending themselves.

The last one that stung me was when I went over a speed hump, and a wasp
was lying in wait between me and my seat. It stung me just before being
squished between me and the seat. The pain was many times worse than a
couple of bee stings I've had and the intensity lasted many hours.

Whilst I put up with wasps around me, they tend to be very cheeky in
obtaining food, and I hate them being around children who if stung will
just perpetuate their fear and hate for wasps.

Kids tend to panic when wasps are around them and start swinging their
arms about, which the wasps perceive it as a threat.

On 04/10/2015 18:25, Bod wrote:

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending themselves.

The last one that stung me was when I went over a speed hump, and a wasp
was lying in wait between me and my seat. It stung me just before being
squished between me and the seat. The pain was many times worse than a
couple of bee stings I've had and the intensity lasted many hours.

Whilst I put up with wasps around me, they tend to be very cheeky in
obtaining food, and I hate them being around children who if stung will
just perpetuate their fear and hate for wasps.

Kids tend to panic when wasps are around them and start swinging their
arms about, which the wasps perceive it as a threat.


That's what MM did, a 69 year old 2 year old.

On 04/10/2015 15:39, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 14:12:59 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 14:10, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 13:20:22 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:50, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:26:49 +0100, Bod wrote:

Our garden is always full of wasps and bees due to my wife planting
loads of flowers. They never bother us and in the 12 years we've lived
here we have never been stung.

The flowers are irrelevant as far as wasps are concerned. Wasps don't
visit flowers. Wasp larvae are carnivorous. Wasps keep the garden free
of pests like greenfly and caterpillars.

I'm afraid you are wrong, Chris.

Do Wasps Pollinate Flowers?

Quite simply, YES!

http://www.buzzaboutbees.net/do-wasps-pollinate.html


Hmm. Possibly a chance observation, or possibly wasps do visit flowers
to get the pollen. What they don't do is visit flowers for their
nectar: that is what bees do.

I wouldn't know about that, but what I do know is that they definitely
visit our flowers a lot.

Are you sure they're wasps? A lot of hover flies look like wasps, it's
a mimicry thing, and hover flies certainly do visit flowers.

Yes I'm sure and yes I am aware of those hover flies and some bees even
can be mistaken for wasps.

On 04/10/2015 15:41, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 14:15:02 +0100, MM wrote:


Hah! You glibly say "not a problem", but I reckon these f*ckers are
going to hang around all winter, just to be a damn nuisance.

MM

No chance!

Agreed.

On Sunday, 4 October 2015 18:25:36 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending themselves.

The last one that stung me was when I went over a speed hump, and a wasp
was lying in wait between me and my seat. It stung me just before being
squished between me and the seat. The pain was many times worse than a
couple of bee stings I've had and the intensity lasted many hours.

Whilst I put up with wasps around me, they tend to be very cheeky in
obtaining food, and I hate them being around children who if stung will
just perpetuate their fear and hate for wasps.

Kids tend to panic when wasps are around them and start swinging their
arms about, which the wasps perceive it as a threat.

Kids tend to copy what they see adults doing, and sadly what they often see
and model is adults reverting to ridiculous infantile behaviour in very
low-risk situations. It would be better to have them exposed to such low-risk
situations and learn to assess, and mitigate, the risk (ie. by not making such
a drama of it).

I'd have thought that was also the uk.d-i-y philosophy (not that there is such,
of course)

J^n

On 04/10/2015 18:26, The Todal wrote:
On 04/10/2015 18:25, Bod wrote:

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending
themselves.

The last one that stung me was when I went over a speed hump, and a wasp
was lying in wait between me and my seat. It stung me just before being
squished between me and the seat. The pain was many times worse than a
couple of bee stings I've had and the intensity lasted many hours.

Whilst I put up with wasps around me, they tend to be very cheeky in
obtaining food, and I hate them being around children who if stung will
just perpetuate their fear and hate for wasps.

Kids tend to panic when wasps are around them and start swinging their
arms about, which the wasps perceive it as a threat.


That's what MM did, a 69 year old 2 year old.

lol.

"jkn" wrote in message
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On Sunday, 4 October 2015 18:25:36 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending
themselves.

The last one that stung me was when I went over a speed hump, and a
wasp
was lying in wait between me and my seat. It stung me just before being
squished between me and the seat. The pain was many times worse than a
couple of bee stings I've had and the intensity lasted many hours.

Whilst I put up with wasps around me, they tend to be very cheeky in
obtaining food, and I hate them being around children who if stung will
just perpetuate their fear and hate for wasps.

Kids tend to panic when wasps are around them and start swinging their
arms about, which the wasps perceive it as a threat.

Kids tend to copy what they see adults doing,

Not so much with that stuff.

I had one of these go under the car. They are completely
harmless. None of the kids would go anywhere near it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiliqua_rugosa

and sadly what they often see and model is adults reverting
to ridiculous infantile behaviour in very low-risk situations.

Dunno. With the classic women's approach of jumping
up on a chair when a mouse runs across the floor near
them, you don't see male kids doing that just because
some stupid woman does that. They just **** themselves
laughing at her.

It would be better to have them exposed to such
low-risk situations and learn to assess, and mitigate,
the risk (ie. by not making such a drama of it).

Sure, but its easier said than done with some kids,
particularly if they have been stung previously.

I'd have thought that was also the uk.d-i-y
philosophy (not that there is such, of course)

On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 14:30:13 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"F Murtz" wrote in message
web.com...
Do the gardening in a couple of weeks when they are not a problem.Problem
solved.

Wrong answer. Why should we have to alter our plans to fit in with wasps? At
present it is nice weather for gardening. By the time the wasps have gone it
may be rainy/cold/windy.

I agree with the OP. If the wasps were doing no harm, then they should be
allowed to stay. But if they are close to a house and are threatening anyone
who goes outside, whether or not they actually sting (and they did sting the
OP) then they must go - or else be urged to "buzz off" somewhere else.

Be grateful that you are not allergic (like my wife) to wasp stings - she
suffered a severe anaphylactic shock after one stung her a few years ago and
had to be rushed to hospital because her airway swelled up. Since then, I
have to do any gardening near to wasps because she's not prepared to take
the risk again. We are always glad when the weather turns cold and kills off
wasps.

At last, someone who understands my predicament!

MM

On 04/10/2015 14:26, MM wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 13:45:46 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

Leave well alone for several days until the poison has had time to act.

Well, the bloke is returning tomorrow anyway, but do you think it
takes days for the stuff to work? He reckoned yesterday that they'd be
gone by today. And I really thought they had -- until I started
cutting back the mass of greenery that has grown up while they've been
there.

The ones exposed to the powder die fairly rapidly but if it is a big
nest then it takes time to diffuse through. The grubs in mine were alive
nearly a week later and anglers were happy to take them away.

Leave it be until next weekend unless you enjoy getting stung.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 04/10/2015 14:16, MM wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 14:10:24 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 13:20:22 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:50, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:26:49 +0100, Bod wrote:

Our garden is always full of wasps and bees due to my wife planting
loads of flowers. They never bother us and in the 12 years we've lived
here we have never been stung.

The flowers are irrelevant as far as wasps are concerned. Wasps don't
visit flowers. Wasp larvae are carnivorous. Wasps keep the garden free
of pests like greenfly and caterpillars.

I'm afraid you are wrong, Chris.

Do Wasps Pollinate Flowers?

Quite simply, YES!

http://www.buzzaboutbees.net/do-wasps-pollinate.html


Hmm. Possibly a chance observation, or possibly wasps do visit flowers
to get the pollen. What they don't do is visit flowers for their
nectar: that is what bees do.

They probably visit flowers just in case there's something in there
that they can sting.

MM

I have been stung a few times each by both wasps and bees. In all cases
the insect had a fair point as I was accidentally about to crush it.

Main thing about wasps is they can sting repeatedly and if you annoy an
entire colony then you can be in trouble.

I have never been stung by one that I had already seen.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 12:17:45 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

--
Adam

They do if accidently disturb the nest, which has happened to me twice resulting in tens of stings. I am now anaphylactic.

Jonathan

On Monday, 5 October 2015 13:44:35 UTC+1, Jonathan wrote:
On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 12:17:45 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

--
Adam

They do if accidently disturb the nest, which has happened to me twice resulting in tens of stings. I am now anaphylactic.


Yes they do attack humans and animals too.

On 05/10/2015 14:03, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 5 October 2015 13:44:35 UTC+1, Jonathan wrote:
On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 12:17:45 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

--
Adam

They do if accidently disturb the nest, which has happened to me twice resulting in tens of stings. I am now anaphylactic.


Yes they do attack humans and animals too.


They do not attack unless provoked or sat on etc. As I said in an
earlier post, even when we had a nest 4ft from our front door they
never stung us or our visitors. The only sting I ever received was when
I was a kid and one landed on my arm, I tried blowing it off. It was
only then that it stung. The wasp perceived that action as a threat.

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

--
Adam

They do if accidently disturb the nest, which has happened to me
twice resulting in tens of stings. I am now anaphylactic.


Yes they do attack humans and animals too.


They do not attack unless provoked or sat on etc. As I said in an
earlier post, even when we had a nest 4ft from our front door they
never stung us or our visitors. The only sting I ever received was when
I was a kid and one landed on my arm, I tried blowing it off. It was
only then that it stung. The wasp perceived that action as a threat.

Just to add to that, wasps are only interested in the nectar in flowers
and pollinating etc. Humans are of no interest if you leave them alone.

On Monday, 5 October 2015 14:25:00 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
On 05/10/2015 14:03, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 5 October 2015 13:44:35 UTC+1, Jonathan wrote:
On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 12:17:45 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

--
Adam

They do if accidently disturb the nest, which has happened to me twice resulting in tens of stings. I am now anaphylactic.


Yes they do attack humans and animals too.


They do not attack unless provoked or sat on etc.

You;re version of provoked might not be the same as others see it.
I was stung in the mouth as a kid.Of corse it was just trying to eat teh same iced bun as me but I do NOT provoke it. It may have thpought I did but as I didn't even see it.....................


As I said in an
earlier post, even when we had a nest 4ft from our front door they
never stung us or our visitors. The only sting I ever received was when
I was a kid and one landed on my arm, I tried blowing it off. It was
only then that it stung. The wasp perceived that action as a threat.

The same can be said of most creatures.

On 05/10/2015 15:37, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 5 October 2015 14:25:00 UTC+1, Bod wrote:
On 05/10/2015 14:03, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 5 October 2015 13:44:35 UTC+1, Jonathan wrote:
On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 12:17:45 PM UTC+1, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

--
Adam

They do if accidently disturb the nest, which has happened to me twice resulting in tens of stings. I am now anaphylactic.


Yes they do attack humans and animals too.


They do not attack unless provoked or sat on etc.

You;re version of provoked might not be the same as others see it.
I was stung in the mouth as a kid.Of corse it was just trying to eat teh same iced bun as me but I do NOT provoke it. It may have thpought I did but as I didn't even see it.....................


As I said in an
earlier post, even when we had a nest 4ft from our front door they
never stung us or our visitors. The only sting I ever received was when
I was a kid and one landed on my arm, I tried blowing it off. It was
only then that it stung. The wasp perceived that action as a threat.

The same can be said of most creatures.


Indeed.

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:28:48 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:17, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending themselves.

Doesn't matter if they do it on purpose or not. Wasps are a pest and should be destroyed.

--
Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

On 05/10/2015 17:12, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:28:48 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:17, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this
morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in
a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack
every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending themselves.

Doesn't matter if they do it on purpose or not. Wasps are a pest and
should be destroyed.

They are as important as bees are. Pollination of flowers, plus they eat
tiny insects.

On 05/10/2015 17:51, Bod wrote:
On 05/10/2015 17:12, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:28:48 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:17, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this
morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in
a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without
wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack
every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending themselves.

Doesn't matter if they do it on purpose or not. Wasps are a pest and
should be destroyed.

They are as important as bees are. Pollination of flowers, plus they eat
tiny insects.

So should Peter Hucker.

On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:51:19 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 05/10/2015 17:12, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:28:48 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:17, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this
morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in
a few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack
every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending themselves.

Doesn't matter if they do it on purpose or not. Wasps are a pest and
should be destroyed.

They are as important as bees are. Pollination of flowers,

I don't believe that ****e.

plus they eat tiny insects.

Kill them too with an insectocutor.

--
Then there was the Eskimo girl who spent the night with her
boyfriend and next morning found she was six months pregnant.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:28:48 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:17, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this
morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a
few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack
every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending themselves.

Doesn't matter if they do it on purpose or not. Wasps are a pest and
should be destroyed.

Indeed.
I had a gang of them making their home in the bird house thing at the end of
my back garden.
A can of Raid took them down. £3.99 from the pakie ******* shop, but I was
stuck.
It's my garden and I do not want those nasty horrible thing buzzing around
my head.



--
Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 20:57:23 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:


"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:28:48 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 04/10/2015 12:17, ARW wrote:
"David Lang" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2015 03:50, F Murtz wrote:
The Todal wrote:
On 03/10/2015 14:39, MM wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:50:16 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
...
I got a local chap to come and exterminate a wasp nest this
morning.


You should have left it alone. The nest would have been dead in a
few
weeks
due to nature.

Ridiculous suggestion. You couldn't go into the garden without wasps
everywhere.


So what, I do it all the time, wasps sole purpose is not to attack
every
human,

Yes it is. Wasps are evil gits.


When did one last sting you? And did you cry like a 10 year old girl?

Wasps do not attack humans.

Only if you annoy them and even then they are only defending themselves.

Doesn't matter if they do it on purpose or not. Wasps are a pest and
should be destroyed.

Indeed.
I had a gang of them making their home in the bird house thing at the end of
my back garden.
A can of Raid took them down. £3.99 from the pakie ******* shop, but I was
stuck.
It's my garden and I do not want those nasty horrible thing buzzing around
my head.

Johnsons Raid is excellent. £2.75 in Asda. Tesco sell it aswell. I took out a whole nest of minor bees with it, after sucking them into a vacuum cleaner as they emerged form their hole.

Do not agree with me again, you have been warned.

--
Can you grow birds by planting birdseed?