"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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In article , John Chance
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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All these Europhiles sob loudy when
that bit of Beethoven is played, they stand up and put their right hand
over their left tit. In short, they think Europe is now one country.

They in fact think nothing of the sort.

Must be why they all stand when the "anthem" is played and want the
Euro-flag to be flown so much.

You get the same thing with NATO etc and no
one is silly enough to believe that is a country.

And even you should have noticed that both Japan and
the US were actually quite heavily involved in WW2 and
that neither of those countries were part of europe.

So any falling out in Europe is going to be a European civil war.

Not when it involves Japan and the US.

Why would it involve either of those countries?

Even you should have noticed that WW2 did.

We have that. There won't be another war in western europe, you watch.

Europe is larger than western Europe.

That is why I said western europe.

Yes, some fools like the Irish and Greeks had a full civil war in just
the previous century, but the more advanced countries in western
europe like Britain and France and Holland and Denmark etc have
not had one in quite some time now. Clearly it takes some of the
dregs like the old Yugoslavia quite a bit longer to get a clue on
the basics.

Then let's go back to a free
trade arrangement, with agreements freely entered into by the *people*
in referendums

How odd that that was the situation which produced two world wars
and quite a few wars before that in europe. And not one since the EU
was established.

Well done for overlooking Yugoslavia.

It wasnt part of the EU when that happened. That is just the country
that I made that comment about, I didnt overlook it at all..

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 20/06/15 11:45, John Chance wrote:
Then let's go back to a free
trade arrangement, with agreements freely entered into by the *people*
in referendums

How odd that that was the situation which produced two world wars
and quite a few wars before that in europe. And not one since the EU
was established.

Actually it was the situation that daffiodils are yellow, that produced
WWI and WWII.

No I am wrong, it was the lack of decent contraception.

No, it wasn't that, it was the lack of education in the working classes.

No, it wasn't that, it was that God was dead.

JE- ****ing - SUS you are absolutely INSANE if you think that a simple
political and trade arrangement that was inevitable at that time was
anything to do more than anything else with WWII.

WWII happened because it could,

And wouldn't have happened if the EU had been setup
between the wars and had included Germany and France.

and because people who were in positions
to start or stop it chose to start it, for a variety of reasons. For
Germany, and for Japan, it was the end game of a process of trying to come
to terms with the 19th and 20th century expansion of Western civilisation:

Still wouldnt have happened if the EU had been setup between the wars.

Ultimately it was pure competition for resources for both.

That had been going on for a hell of a lot longer than that and was
indeed the reason for the later wars between Britain and France.

You should have notice that it doesnt happen anymore between
EU members to the extent that it produces war between them anymore.

Without WWII Germany would have been what Greece is now.

Fantasy.

They stole immense wealth from Greece, which was never repaid,

True in spades of Britain and India.

lost the war and wiped out their debts.

Britain won that war and had to repay a small part of the total debt.

They also carried out enough ethnic cleansing to ensure that Germany
became a post war monoculture stripped of all diversity.

Even sillier than you usually manage with the Turks in Germany alone.

And used other peoples money to rebuild their industrial base whilst
Britain and France spent more than they could afford to protect them from
the Russians.

That's what the winners get to do. And the americans spent
a hell of a lot more than the British and French ever did and
ensured with both the Marshall Plan and the invention of
nukes that there wouldnt be another world war ever again.

And Germany and France came to their senses and got started on
the EU and Britain eventually noticed the advantage of that and
went cap in hand and asked if they could join it and eventually
even de Gaul couldnt manage to stop that happening.

On Saturday, 20 June 2015 11:49:40 UTC+1, John Chance wrote:


How odd that that was the situation which produced two world wars
and quite a few wars before that in europe. And not one since the EU
was established.

The reason there has been no world wars is nuclear weapons.
Stopped WW2 dead and there hasn't been another since.
Saddam would still be around if he'd had nuclear weapons.

We don't need the EUSSR. We have Nato.

"harry" wrote in message
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On Saturday, 20 June 2015 11:49:40 UTC+1, John Chance wrote:


How odd that that was the situation which produced two world wars
and quite a few wars before that in europe. And not one since the EU
was established.

The reason there has been no world wars is nuclear weapons.

That is just one of the reasons. The other reason is that those
unspeakable yanks had enough of a clue to do that Marshall
Plan that ensured that no one except those who ended up
under Russian domination ended up so economically ****ed
that they had nothing to lose in another major war.

Stopped WW2 dead and there hasn't been another since.

Yes.

Saddam would still be around if he'd had nuclear weapons.

Nope, he would have got assassinated.

We don't need the EUSSR. We have Nato.

Every country in the EU feels otherwise.

So will the British voters, you watch.