When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or
its edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches,
remote handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort
of thing.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote

When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or
its edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches,
remote handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort
of thing.

Dunno, with the current fad with say smartphones and laptops and tablets
with thin being what most of them are, its very hard for any designer to
design them to stand on their end so if you demand that it must be able
to stand on its end you radically limit what you get to choose from.

And does it make any real sense to be able to stand a corded angle grinder
or drill on its end ? Why would any designer design it so that it can ?

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or its
edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches, remote
handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort of thing.

Bill

.................................................. ..................right........................... ...................?

Butsome things are inherently unbalanced. Electric shavers are the worst for
this.
If you need to use them on the face, then they need to be balanced in the
hand, but to charge, they often come with a charger that has a small
footprint, and the shaver then stands on end, but is easily knocked over as
its centre of gravity is now high.
The same problem seems to occur with other rechargeable items like
portable phones and electric toothbrushes. I simply do not understand why
they cannot just admit that it needs to have its centre of gravity in one
place for use, and build the chargers to keep it horizontal so it cannot be
knocked over.
Brian

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or its
edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches, remote
handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort of thing.

Bill

Brian-Gaff wrote:

The same problem seems to occur with other rechargeable items like
portable phones and electric toothbrushes. I simply do not understand why
they cannot just admit that it needs to have its centre of gravity in one
place for use, and build the chargers to keep it horizontal so it cannot be
knocked over.
Brian

Good point.

Bill

On 30/05/2015 04:53, Bill Wright wrote:
When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or
its edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches,
remote handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort
of thing.

Bill


You shouldn't be able to stand some things on end as they become
hazards, like screwdrivers, knives, drills, etc. Next time you step on
one you have dropped you will understand why.

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Brian-Gaff wrote:

The same problem seems to occur with other rechargeable items like
portable phones and electric toothbrushes. I simply do not understand why
they cannot just admit that it needs to have its centre of gravity in one
place for use, and build the chargers to keep it horizontal so it cannot
be knocked over.
Brian

Good point.



Does that apply to vibrators?:-)

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On Sat, 30 May 2015 04:53:51 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or
its edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches,
remote handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort
of thing.

Bill

Bill, did this mode of thinking apply when you were choosing a new
girlfriend?




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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or its
edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches, remote
handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort of thing.

I'm going buying a snake later, I'll let you know how I get on.

On Saturday, 30 May 2015 04:53:54 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job.

I'm puzzled.


NT

wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 30 May 2015 04:53:54 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job.

I'm puzzled.

I'm not. He's right in the sense that it does show that the
designer has put more effort into the design if it will stand
on its end or side properly, but the problem with that line
is that there are some things like smartphones, tablets
and knives where it isn't possible with even the best
design and very undesirable with some stuff like knives.

In article , says...

When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or
its edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches,
remote handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort
of thing.

You regard "standing-on-endishness" as a valuable attribute.

There's rather a lot of people who do not share this fixation -
especially if the item can thus be easily knocked over and damaged.


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Well one of the most illogical items in this respect and indeed in standing
on its bottom is the Wok.
Brian

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"Jim GM4DHJ/m ..." wrote in message
...

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or
its edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches,
remote handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort
of thing.

Bill

.................................................. .................right............................ ..................?

No, in the case of a shaver, one can lay the whole thing on its side, at
least you could if it had a flat side. Toothbrushes and phones could be made
the same way.
In any case the gravity held chargers are notoriously intermittent as you
get some corrosion on the contacts. Far better y to use a proper plug and
socket like Remminton seem to do, which is why I'm very surprised they do
not have a flat on one side as well as the base.
Brian

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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Brian-Gaff
wrote:

Butsome things are inherently unbalanced. Electric shavers are the worst
for this.
If you need to use them on the face, then they need to be balanced in the
hand, but to charge, they often come with a charger that has a small
footprint, and the shaver then stands on end, but is easily knocked over
as its centre of gravity is now high.

The same problem seems to occur with other rechargeable items like
portable phones and electric toothbrushes. I simply do not understand why
they cannot just admit that it needs to have its centre of gravity in one
place for use, and build the chargers to keep it horizontal so it cannot
be knocked over.

Interesting idea. I guess in general for sighted people you can guide
the toothbrush over the charger spigot and then gravity keeps it there.
Also the footprint is then low - I imagine that's why toothpaste tubes
can stand on end these days.

If you want to keep it horizontal, do you still have the charger spigot
entering the end, which presumably means designing thew cradle so the
toothbrush snaps in, or do you want the charger spigot entering the
side? It sort of seems to me either of those might be harder for a
blind person to manage.

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I don't know as I do not have the correct orifices to need one, but I'd
imagine it might be the same problem.
Incidentally, one of those useless spams told me the other day that the
company now had vibrators with a blue tooth connection.
Mind and boggling etc.
brian

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"ARW" wrote in message
...
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Brian-Gaff wrote:

The same problem seems to occur with other rechargeable items like
portable phones and electric toothbrushes. I simply do not understand
why they cannot just admit that it needs to have its centre of gravity
in one place for use, and build the chargers to keep it horizontal so it
cannot be knocked over.
Brian

Good point.



Does that apply to vibrators?:-)

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Actually the answer to getting most things to stand on end is to attach them
to a gyroscope.
Brian

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"dennis@home" wrote in message
b.com...
On 30/05/2015 04:53, Bill Wright wrote:
When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or
its edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches,
remote handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort
of thing.

Bill


You shouldn't be able to stand some things on end as they become hazards,
like screwdrivers, knives, drills, etc. Next time you step on one you have
dropped you will understand why.

That is where Blue tack is very useful of course.
Brian

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"Simon263" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Saturday, 30 May 2015 04:53:54 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job.

I'm puzzled.

I'm not. He's right in the sense that it does show that the
designer has put more effort into the design if it will stand
on its end or side properly, but the problem with that line
is that there are some things like smartphones, tablets
and knives where it isn't possible with even the best
design and very undesirable with some stuff like knives.

Its not always the designers fault, it can be shoddy work as in the two
halves of a moulded screwdriver handle having a seem or ridge that hurts
your hand.
Good quality ones either do not use this mode of construction or are made
more accurately.
I am reminded of the Dindy cassette problem where they started to be very
successful so they farmed out the manufacture to foreign parts and most of
the new stuff was crap.
Brian

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"Sam Plusnet" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or
its edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches,
remote handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort
of thing.

You regard "standing-on-endishness" as a valuable attribute.

There's rather a lot of people who do not share this fixation -
especially if the item can thus be easily knocked over and damaged.


--
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Brian-Gaff wrote

No, in the case of a shaver, one can lay the whole thing on its side, at
least you could if it had a flat side. Toothbrushes and phones could be
made the same way.

Phones are.

In any case the gravity held chargers are notoriously intermittent as you
get some corrosion on the contacts.

Hasn’t happened with my Panasonic cordless phones.

Far better y to use a proper plug and socket like Remminton seem to do,

Not with something that is used daily.

which is why I'm very surprised they do not have a flat on one side as
well as the base.

You don’t need one when it drops into the charger.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Brian-Gaff
wrote:

Butsome things are inherently unbalanced. Electric shavers are the worst
for this.
If you need to use them on the face, then they need to be balanced in
the hand, but to charge, they often come with a charger that has a small
footprint, and the shaver then stands on end, but is easily knocked over
as its centre of gravity is now high.

The same problem seems to occur with other rechargeable items like
portable phones and electric toothbrushes. I simply do not understand
why they cannot just admit that it needs to have its centre of gravity
in one place for use, and build the chargers to keep it horizontal so it
cannot be knocked over.

Interesting idea. I guess in general for sighted people you can guide
the toothbrush over the charger spigot and then gravity keeps it there.
Also the footprint is then low - I imagine that's why toothpaste tubes
can stand on end these days.

If you want to keep it horizontal, do you still have the charger spigot
entering the end, which presumably means designing thew cradle so the
toothbrush snaps in, or do you want the charger spigot entering the
side? It sort of seems to me either of those might be harder for a
blind person to manage.

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"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message
...
Its not always the designers fault, it can be shoddy work as in the two
halves of a moulded screwdriver handle having a seem or ridge that hurts
your hand.
Good quality ones either do not use this mode of construction or are made
more accurately.

I am reminded of the Dindy cassette problem where they started to be
very successful so they farmed out the manufacture to foreign parts and
most of the new stuff was crap.

Didn’t happen with Apple.

"Sam Plusnet" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or
its edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches,
remote handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort
of thing.

You regard "standing-on-endishness" as a valuable attribute.

There's rather a lot of people who do not share this fixation -
especially if the item can thus be easily knocked over and damaged.


--
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"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message
...
I don't know as I do not have the correct orifices to need one, but I'd
imagine it might be the same problem.


I suppose that you have never had a good look around in a sex shop.


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ARW wrote:
"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message
...
I don't know as I do not have the correct orifices to need one, but
I'd imagine it might be the same problem.


I suppose that you have never had a good look around in a sex shop.

If Brian did that we'd all have to go and visit him in clink, having
been banged up for groping the merchandise.....

(Brian's blind, Adam :-) )

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Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

On 31/05/2015 11:32, Scott M wrote:
ARW wrote:
"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message
...
I don't know as I do not have the correct orifices to need one, but
I'd imagine it might be the same problem.


I suppose that you have never had a good look around in a sex shop.

If Brian did that we'd all have to go and visit him in clink, having
been banged up for groping the merchandise.....

(Brian's blind, Adam :-) )


Adam knows.

dennis@home wrote:
On 31/05/2015 11:32, Scott M wrote:
ARW wrote:
"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message
...
I don't know as I do not have the correct orifices to need one, but
I'd imagine it might be the same problem.


I suppose that you have never had a good look around in a sex shop.

If Brian did that we'd all have to go and visit him in clink, having
been banged up for groping the merchandise.....

(Brian's blind, Adam :-) )


Adam knows.

Well, I did think he did, but liked my comment too much not to post it :-)

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Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

On Sun, 31 May 2015 12:12:25 +0100, Scott M wrote:

dennis@home wrote:
On 31/05/2015 11:32, Scott M wrote:
ARW wrote:
"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message
...
I don't know as I do not have the correct orifices to need one, but
I'd imagine it might be the same problem.


I suppose that you have never had a good look around in a sex shop.

If Brian did that we'd all have to go and visit him in clink, having
been banged up for groping the merchandise.....

(Brian's blind, Adam :-) )


Adam knows.

Well, I did think he did, but liked my comment too much not to post it
:-)

And anyway, Brian wasn't always blind...he had his chances to look round
(not that I'm suggesting he did, you understand)

On 31 May 2015, "Brian-Gaff" grunted:

I don't know as I do not have the correct orifices to need one, but

Brian, I really hope you do.

NSFW, but I think the following URL example will give you the gist even if
you don't want to visit the site:

https://www.boyzshop.com/vibrating-s...-vibrators_82/

And no, I've never sampled the goods.

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On 31 May 2015 11:28:57 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:


If Brian did that we'd all have to go and visit him in clink, having
been banged up for groping the merchandise.....

(Brian's blind, Adam :-) )


Adam knows.

Well, I did think he did, but liked my comment too much not to post it
:-)

And anyway, Brian wasn't always blind...he had his chances to look round
(not that I'm suggesting he did, you understand)

Weren't teenage boys once told that doing what a visit to a Sex shop
might encourage made you blind anyway?
Not I'm suggesting that was the case for Brian ,you understand.

G.Harman

Brian-Gaff wrote:
I don't know as I do not have the correct orifices to need one,

How do you **** then?

Bill

Graham. wrote:
On Sat, 30 May 2015 04:53:51 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or
its edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches,
remote handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort
of thing.

Bill

Bill, did this mode of thinking apply when you were choosing a new
girlfriend?

I like a woman that can be upended easily, then afterwards quickly gets
to her feet and makes me a cuppa. I like to see the spunk running down
her legs as she puts the kettle on.

Bill

Sam Plusnet wrote:

You regard "standing-on-endishness" as a valuable attribute.

There's rather a lot of people who do not share this fixation -
especially if the item can thus be easily knocked over and damaged.

I can't help what silly people think.

Bill

In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
Graham. wrote:
On Sat, 30 May 2015 04:53:51 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

When I buy a thing, I always check whether it will stand on its end or
its edge, if this is possible for the thing in question. It isn't merely
because I might want it to stand on its end, it's because I regard the
ability of a thing to stand on its end as evidence that the designer has
done a thorough job. I'm talking about small screwdrivers, torches,
remote handsets, tape measures, cameras, cordless phones, all that sort
of thing.

Bill

Bill, did this mode of thinking apply when you were choosing a new
girlfriend?

I like a woman that can be upended easily, then afterwards quickly gets
to her feet and makes me a cuppa. I like to see the spunk running down
her legs as she puts the kettle on.

Bill

I think for most on here that tense should have been "used to like" ;(...
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