Well, it is a bit unusual.


What it will do:

SDS hammer drill up to 10mm drill

"Normal" drilling with variable 2 speed.

Screw driving with variable 2 speed forward and reverse.


Interesting bit:

It takes SDS+ bits, and also comes with an SDS to screw driver hex bit
holder, and three wood bits which fit the hex bit holder.
It does not come with a normal drill chuck (as most bigger SDS drills do).
[ I do happen to have a spare SDS to drill chuck adapter, though :-) ]
It won't take short screw driver bits - only long ones.
You would need special HSS drills with hex ends (which makes me think they
may not want you drilling using HSS bits but I may be wrong).


What it won't do:

No roto stop - so no chisel operation.
Then again it is so light that it would be a pretty ineffective chisel
anyway.

The battery looks different to the one on the Lidl combi drill driver.
Supplied by Einhell and no link to a web site to buy a second battery.


So all in all this is not a budget equivalent to the hunky builders'
cordless SDS drill. It is about the same weight as a standard cordless
drill but it can use SDS bits so looks useful for those tight jobs and one
handed use where you can't easily use a monster mains SDS drill.

So I think it will be fine for use on lighter jobs, and I have my mains
big sod off breaker/SDS drill for anything requiring brutality.

It does double up as a screw driver but doesn't have torque settings so
not as useful as the combi drill drivers.

Looks like a Parsons Egg but fits my needs.

Cheers


Dave R

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In article , David
writes
Well, it is a bit unusual.

snip

So all in all this is not a budget equivalent to the hunky builders'
cordless SDS drill. It is about the same weight as a standard cordless
drill but it can use SDS bits so looks useful for those tight jobs and one
handed use where you can't easily use a monster mains SDS drill.

Thanks for the review, most useful.

Does it come with a case?

--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:56:41 +0100, fred wrote:

In article , David
writes
Well, it is a bit unusual.

snip

So all in all this is not a budget equivalent to the hunky builders'
cordless SDS drill. It is about the same weight as a standard cordless
drill but it can use SDS bits so looks useful for those tight jobs and
one handed use where you can't easily use a monster mains SDS drill.

Thanks for the review, most useful.

Does it come with a case?

Yes, it comes with a plastic case.
Quite compact.



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In article , David
writes
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:56:41 +0100, fred wrote:

Does it come with a case?

Yes, it comes with a plastic case.
Quite compact.

Sold!

Actually meant to buy one on the way past today but it didn't happen.

It will save me carrying the big one about when I'm just drilling for a
few plugs.

--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

On 20/04/2015 16:06, David wrote:
Well, it is a bit unusual.


What it will do:

SDS hammer drill up to 10mm drill

"Normal" drilling with variable 2 speed.

Screw driving with variable 2 speed forward and reverse.


Interesting bit:

It takes SDS+ bits, and also comes with an SDS to screw driver hex bit
holder, and three wood bits which fit the hex bit holder.
It does not come with a normal drill chuck (as most bigger SDS drills do).
[ I do happen to have a spare SDS to drill chuck adapter, though :-) ]
It won't take short screw driver bits - only long ones.
You would need special HSS drills with hex ends (which makes me think they
may not want you drilling using HSS bits but I may be wrong).


What it won't do:

No roto stop - so no chisel operation.
Then again it is so light that it would be a pretty ineffective chisel
anyway.

The battery looks different to the one on the Lidl combi drill driver.
Supplied by Einhell and no link to a web site to buy a second battery.


So all in all this is not a budget equivalent to the hunky builders'
cordless SDS drill. It is about the same weight as a standard cordless
drill but it can use SDS bits so looks useful for those tight jobs and one
handed use where you can't easily use a monster mains SDS drill.

So I think it will be fine for use on lighter jobs, and I have my mains
big sod off breaker/SDS drill for anything requiring brutality.

It does double up as a screw driver but doesn't have torque settings so
not as useful as the combi drill drivers.

Looks like a Parsons Egg but fits my needs.

Cheers


Dave R


Does it *feel* like an SDS (as opposed to hammer) drill when drilling
into concrete?
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On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:31:11 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

On 20/04/2015 16:06, David wrote:
Well, it is a bit unusual.


What it will do:

SDS hammer drill up to 10mm drill

"Normal" drilling with variable 2 speed.

Screw driving with variable 2 speed forward and reverse.


Interesting bit:

It takes SDS+ bits, and also comes with an SDS to screw driver hex bit
holder, and three wood bits which fit the hex bit holder.
It does not come with a normal drill chuck (as most bigger SDS drills
do).
[ I do happen to have a spare SDS to drill chuck adapter, though :-) ]
It won't take short screw driver bits - only long ones.
You would need special HSS drills with hex ends (which makes me think
they may not want you drilling using HSS bits but I may be wrong).


What it won't do:

No roto stop - so no chisel operation.
Then again it is so light that it would be a pretty ineffective chisel
anyway.

The battery looks different to the one on the Lidl combi drill driver.
Supplied by Einhell and no link to a web site to buy a second battery.


So all in all this is not a budget equivalent to the hunky builders'
cordless SDS drill. It is about the same weight as a standard cordless
drill but it can use SDS bits so looks useful for those tight jobs and
one handed use where you can't easily use a monster mains SDS drill.

So I think it will be fine for use on lighter jobs, and I have my mains
big sod off breaker/SDS drill for anything requiring brutality.

It does double up as a screw driver but doesn't have torque settings so
not as useful as the combi drill drivers.

Looks like a Parsons Egg but fits my needs.

Cheers


Dave R


Does it *feel* like an SDS (as opposed to hammer) drill when drilling
into concrete?

All I've done so far is stroke the green plastic.

I haven't used it in anger.



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On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:31:11 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

Does it *feel* like an SDS (as opposed to hammer) drill when drilling
into concrete?

That thought drifted through my mind as well. Is it a real SDS drill
or just a hammer drill with an SDS chuck?

I'd look at the lidl website but a) their SEO is crap they aren't on
the first page of google fed "lidl sds" b) the site is a javascript
ridden heap of poo that doesn't even render properly with javascript
on.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article ,
David wrote:
What it won't do:

No roto stop - so no chisel operation.
Then again it is so light that it would be a pretty ineffective chisel
anyway.

I'd have thought battery life would be too short for any serious chasing?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Bought one today and made some comparisons:

Lidl Batt SDS:

Weight: 1.65kg bare
Time to drill 8mm x 50 hole in moderate brick 14s
Will drive 50mm x 12 screw, 4s low speed, 3s high speed (actually
sounded happier working on the high speed setting)
General feel: worryingly light, toy like

Old faithful cheapie mains SDS:

Weight: 4.7kg
Time to drill 8mm x 50 hole in moderate brick 4s
General feel: powerful but heavy

Bosch Green 750W Hammer Drill:

Weight: 2.15kg
Time to drill 8mm x 50 hole in moderate brick (hammer on) 7s
Not happy driving 50mm x 12 screw, 10-15s 4s low speed
General feel: well made

Regular 18V Li-ion Mid Range Branded Combi not avail for test today but
for just a few holes I think it would take the Lidl, a much better
overall performer.

Overall impression on the Lidl:

Despite having the impact feel of an SDS, it is v slow on impact
drilling (3 1/2 times mains SDS) which is its primary function. I'll
give it a couple of days and see if I will take it back but right now it
a disappointment. Excellent rigid case though, proper folding handle
with metal clips. LED worklight.

--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

I wouldn't expect to compare the performance of any cordless drill to a
mains one. Except for very light tasks.

And if you are going to compare it to another cordless, you'd have to
include the price.

It's the battery which costs in a cordless, and even Lidl can't do much
about that.

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On Monday, 20 April 2015 19:28:59 UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote:
On 20/04/2015 16:06, David wrote:
Well, it is a bit unusual.


What it will do:

SDS hammer drill up to 10mm drill

"Normal" drilling with variable 2 speed.

Screw driving with variable 2 speed forward and reverse.


Interesting bit:

It takes SDS+ bits, and also comes with an SDS to screw driver hex bit
holder, and three wood bits which fit the hex bit holder.
It does not come with a normal drill chuck (as most bigger SDS drills do).
[ I do happen to have a spare SDS to drill chuck adapter, though :-) ]
It won't take short screw driver bits - only long ones.
You would need special HSS drills with hex ends (which makes me think they
may not want you drilling using HSS bits but I may be wrong).


What it won't do:

No roto stop - so no chisel operation.
Then again it is so light that it would be a pretty ineffective chisel
anyway.

The battery looks different to the one on the Lidl combi drill driver.
Supplied by Einhell and no link to a web site to buy a second battery.


So all in all this is not a budget equivalent to the hunky builders'
cordless SDS drill. It is about the same weight as a standard cordless
drill but it can use SDS bits so looks useful for those tight jobs and one
handed use where you can't easily use a monster mains SDS drill.

So I think it will be fine for use on lighter jobs, and I have my mains
big sod off breaker/SDS drill for anything requiring brutality.

It does double up as a screw driver but doesn't have torque settings so
not as useful as the combi drill drivers.

Looks like a Parsons Egg but fits my needs.

Cheers


Dave R


Does it *feel* like an SDS (as opposed to hammer) drill when drilling
into concrete?

You mean does it come with SDS?

On 21/04/2015 20:59, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Monday, 20 April 2015 19:28:59 UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote:


Does it *feel* like an SDS (as opposed to hammer) drill when drilling
into concrete?

You mean does it come with SDS?


No, I mean what I ask! I know it comes with an SDS chuck and takes SDS
drill bits.

If you drill concrete with an ordinary hammer drill, you have to use
quite a lot of pressure, and it takes a long time. If you use a decent
SDS drill, it goes into concrete like it was cheese.

I'm asking which of those is a closer description of the performance of
this particular tool.
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 16:32:53 +0100, fred wrote:

Bought one today and made some comparisons:

Lidl Batt SDS:

Weight: 1.65kg bare Time to drill 8mm x 50 hole in moderate brick 14s
Will drive 50mm x 12 screw, 4s low speed, 3s high speed (actually
sounded happier working on the high speed setting)
General feel: worryingly light, toy like

Old faithful cheapie mains SDS:

Weight: 4.7kg Time to drill 8mm x 50 hole in moderate brick 4s General
feel: powerful but heavy

Bosch Green 750W Hammer Drill:

Weight: 2.15kg Time to drill 8mm x 50 hole in moderate brick (hammer on)
7s Not happy driving 50mm x 12 screw, 10-15s 4s low speed General feel:
well made

Regular 18V Li-ion Mid Range Branded Combi not avail for test today but
for just a few holes I think it would take the Lidl, a much better
overall performer.

Overall impression on the Lidl:

Despite having the impact feel of an SDS, it is v slow on impact
drilling (3 1/2 times mains SDS) which is its primary function. I'll
give it a couple of days and see if I will take it back but right now it
a disappointment. Excellent rigid case though, proper folding handle
with metal clips. LED worklight.

It does sound disappointing.

I was expecting it to be a step up from my Makita combi drill/driver but a
step down from a bigger cordless SDS or a mains SDS.

If it can't whup a Makita combi then it is not much use.

Can you please update when you have checked against your Mid Range Branded
Combi?

Cheers


Dave R

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In article ,
David wrote:
I was expecting it to be a step up from my Makita combi drill/driver but a
step down from a bigger cordless SDS or a mains SDS.

If it can't whup a Makita combi then it is not much use.

I'd be amazed if any combi beat any SDS other than on soft brick.

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In article , Roger Mills
writes

If you drill concrete with an ordinary hammer drill, you have to use
quite a lot of pressure, and it takes a long time. If you use a decent
SDS drill, it goes into concrete like it was cheese.

I'm asking which of those is a closer description of the performance of
this particular tool.

It does appear to have an SDS 'pump', drilling is relatively slow (see
my other post) and it does not appear to start pumping properly until it
is at full speed in high range, but it does have that pressure free
action once it gets going and the drilled holes are precise.

What you shouldn't expect is the brick splitting power of a mains SDS, I
didn't check what the claimed 1 Joule impact force meant before purchase
but I now find that even a basic (50quid) mains SDS offers 8 Joules
impact.

Much as David has suggested, I had hoped for about half the power of a
mains SDS but it seems significantly below that.

This is based on my test drilling on approx hundred year old medium
hardness brick.

I'll report back later with my comparison with my Li-ion combi.

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it's a ba-na-na . . . .

On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 11:19:45 PM UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote:
On 21/04/2015 20:59, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Monday, 20 April 2015 19:28:59 UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote:


Does it *feel* like an SDS (as opposed to hammer) drill when drilling
into concrete?

You mean does it come with SDS?


No, I mean what I ask! I know it comes with an SDS chuck and takes SDS
drill bits.

If you drill concrete with an ordinary hammer drill, you have to use
quite a lot of pressure, and it takes a long time. If you use a decent
SDS drill, it goes into concrete like it was cheese.

I'm asking which of those is a closer description of the performance of
this particular tool.
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Roger



I posted a review on Monday in a different thread for anyone who's interested:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...-y/Gzv_v8GGABg

On 21/04/2015 18:37, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I wouldn't expect to compare the performance of any cordless drill to a
mains one. Except for very light tasks.


You obviously haven't tried a 36V SDS. OMG!

In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
On 21/04/2015 18:37, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I wouldn't expect to compare the performance of any cordless drill to a
mains one. Except for very light tasks.


You obviously haven't tried a 36V SDS. OMG!

And you can buy one of those for the price of the Lidl? ;-)

Wonder just how heavy a very powerful cordless SDS is too? I can see the
need for one if you're a tradesman - but it's not something I can persued
myself I need, despite being a tool junkie.

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In article , David
writes
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 16:32:53 +0100, fred wrote:

Regular 18V Li-ion Mid Range Branded Combi not avail for test today but
for just a few holes I think it would take the Lidl, a much better
overall performer.

Overall impression on the Lidl:

Despite having the impact feel of an SDS, it is v slow on impact
drilling (3 1/2 times mains SDS) which is its primary function. I'll
give it a couple of days and see if I will take it back but right now it
a disappointment. Excellent rigid case though, proper folding handle
with metal clips. LED worklight.

It does sound disappointing.

I was expecting it to be a step up from my Makita combi drill/driver but a
step down from a bigger cordless SDS or a mains SDS.

If it can't whup a Makita combi then it is not much use.

Can you please update when you have checked against your Mid Range Branded
Combi?

Well, I got that assumption wrong, the Hitachi 18V Combi took 22s to
drill 8mm x 50 so 50% longer than the Lidl and being simple hammer
action it required significant force to be applied whilst drilling in
contrast to the light pressure approach of SDS. A significant point for
ladder work.

As Mike points out in his recent review in the, "Lidl 18V Li-ion SDS
back" thread, it is a tool that has a place in the up a ladder fixing a
bell box scheme of things and having recently done floodlight fixing
high on a gable with my heavy mains SDS, it is a sentiment that rings
true.

Similarly, the Hitachi was at its limit driving a 2 1/2" x 12
Quicksilver screw into softwood, torgue limiting as the first part of
the countersink touched the timber whereas the Lidl could bury the head
without blinking if asked.

On reflection, I am still disappointed that it wasn't closer to half the
mains SDS in drilling oomph but it will be a worthy addition to the
toolkit so I have revised it to a keeper.

One benefit I suppose is that it doesn't have quite the brick splitting
potential of the mains item, I had to abort the first test attempts on
single loose facing bricks when the mains SDS just shattered them. If
anything, the Lidl made holes with greater precision, clean edged and
close to the intended diameter, another plus.

--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

In article ,
fred wrote:
Can you please update when you have checked against your Mid Range Branded
Combi?

Well, I got that assumption wrong, the Hitachi 18V Combi took 22s to
drill 8mm x 50 so 50% longer than the Lidl and being simple hammer
action it required significant force to be applied whilst drilling in
contrast to the light pressure approach of SDS. A significant point for
ladder work.

That does confirm what I'd guessed. It would be an incredibly poor SDS to
be beaten by a hammer drill into anything vaguely hard.

As Mike points out in his recent review in the, "Lidl 18V Li-ion SDS
back" thread, it is a tool that has a place in the up a ladder fixing a
bell box scheme of things and having recently done floodlight fixing
high on a gable with my heavy mains SDS, it is a sentiment that rings
true.

Similarly, the Hitachi was at its limit driving a 2 1/2" x 12
Quicksilver screw into softwood, torgue limiting as the first part of
the countersink touched the timber whereas the Lidl could bury the head
without blinking if asked.

On reflection, I am still disappointed that it wasn't closer to half the
mains SDS in drilling oomph but it will be a worthy addition to the
toolkit so I have revised it to a keeper.

You said your mains drill was 750w. Now motors do vary in efficiency, but
if like was like and the Lidl had a 375w motor, it would take 20 amps from
the battery which would then last about 4 minutes. (Nowhere near accurate,
but I'm sure you get the drift).

One benefit I suppose is that it doesn't have quite the brick splitting
potential of the mains item, I had to abort the first test attempts on
single loose facing bricks when the mains SDS just shattered them. If
anything, the Lidl made holes with greater precision, clean edged and
close to the intended diameter, another plus.

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On 22/04/2015 11:23, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
On 21/04/2015 18:37, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I wouldn't expect to compare the performance of any cordless drill to a
mains one. Except for very light tasks.


You obviously haven't tried a 36V SDS. OMG!

And you can buy one of those for the price of the Lidl? ;-)

Wonder just how heavy a very powerful cordless SDS is too? I can see the
need for one if you're a tradesman - but it's not something I can persued
myself I need, despite being a tool junkie.


Weighs around 4 kgs IIRC and costs a bit over £500. I borrowed one from
a sparks friend and just hated giving it back :-)

/It does sound disappointing.

I was expecting it to be a step up from my Makita combi drill/driver but a
step down from a bigger cordless SDS or a mains SDS.

If it can't whup a Makita combi then it is not much use./q

FFS for 50 odd quid I think your expectations are totally unrealistic!

Jim K

In article ,
JimK wrote:
/It does sound disappointing.

I was expecting it to be a step up from my Makita combi drill/driver but a
step down from a bigger cordless SDS or a mains SDS.

If it can't whup a Makita combi then it is not much use./q

FFS for 50 odd quid I think your expectations are totally unrealistic!

Do wish you'd sort out your quoting.

But assuming the last sentence is yours, I'd agree. It should be compared
to other budget tools - not top of the range stuff. Suppose it says a
great deal that Lidl tools are so good they often are compared to the
quality makes.

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On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:11:25 +0100, fred wrote:

In article , David
writes
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 16:32:53 +0100, fred wrote:

Regular 18V Li-ion Mid Range Branded Combi not avail for test today
but for just a few holes I think it would take the Lidl, a much better
overall performer.

Overall impression on the Lidl:

Despite having the impact feel of an SDS, it is v slow on impact
drilling (3 1/2 times mains SDS) which is its primary function. I'll
give it a couple of days and see if I will take it back but right now
it a disappointment. Excellent rigid case though, proper folding
handle with metal clips. LED worklight.

It does sound disappointing.

I was expecting it to be a step up from my Makita combi drill/driver but
a step down from a bigger cordless SDS or a mains SDS.

If it can't whup a Makita combi then it is not much use.

Can you please update when you have checked against your Mid Range
Branded Combi?

Well, I got that assumption wrong, the Hitachi 18V Combi took 22s to
drill 8mm x 50 so 50% longer than the Lidl and being simple hammer
action it required significant force to be applied whilst drilling in
contrast to the light pressure approach of SDS. A significant point for
ladder work.

As Mike points out in his recent review in the, "Lidl 18V Li-ion SDS
back" thread, it is a tool that has a place in the up a ladder fixing a
bell box scheme of things and having recently done floodlight fixing
high on a gable with my heavy mains SDS, it is a sentiment that rings
true.

Similarly, the Hitachi was at its limit driving a 2 1/2" x 12
Quicksilver screw into softwood, torgue limiting as the first part of
the countersink touched the timber whereas the Lidl could bury the head
without blinking if asked.

On reflection, I am still disappointed that it wasn't closer to half the
mains SDS in drilling oomph but it will be a worthy addition to the
toolkit so I have revised it to a keeper.

One benefit I suppose is that it doesn't have quite the brick splitting
potential of the mains item, I had to abort the first test attempts on
single loose facing bricks when the mains SDS just shattered them. If
anything, the Lidl made holes with greater precision, clean edged and
close to the intended diameter, another plus.

Thanks for doing all that testing - very useful indeed!

In (minor) defence of the Hitachi my Makita (and the Site clone) both
bottle out quite early on the "screwdriver" setting with the variable
torque (set by the rotating ring).

If I want to screw anything serious in (such as when I was using hex head
bolts to screw down a tin roof) I switched to the "drill" setting and let
the variable speed trigger and my wrist act as torque limiters.

This dramatically increases the size of screw you can drive.

Of course, these days I use the Makita impact driver for screws into soft
wood - which has a similar performance upgrade to that from hammer drill
to SDS :-)

Not tried screwing anything in with an SDS drill (on SDS setting) yet,
though.

You have convinced me to keep the drill (still unused) because it fits the
niche above the hammer drill and below the mains SDS.


Cheers

Dave R


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On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:18:05 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
JimK wrote:
/It does sound disappointing.

I was expecting it to be a step up from my Makita combi drill/driver
but a step down from a bigger cordless SDS or a mains SDS.

If it can't whup a Makita combi then it is not much use./q

FFS for 50 odd quid I think your expectations are totally unrealistic!

Do wish you'd sort out your quoting.

But assuming the last sentence is yours, I'd agree. It should be
compared to other budget tools - not top of the range stuff. Suppose it
says a great deal that Lidl tools are so good they often are compared to
the quality makes.

Given that the Makita body was around £60 then they aren't that far apart.
Expecting a budget SDS to out perform a mid range hammer drill doesn't
seem unreasonable.

SDS generally far out performs hammer drills.



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/Of course, these days I use the Makita impact driver for screws into soft
wood - which has a similar performance upgrade to that from hammer drill
to SDS :-)

Not tried screwing anything in with an SDS drill (on SDS setting) yet,
though./q

Impact driver works straight into hardwoods too IME.....

IIRC they hit the bit radially to knock it 'around' and the screwthread takes the screw in

ISTR that SDS hits the drill axially to chisel into the material being drilled... so I'd be interested to know what happens were a screw to be SDSed, tho I think I can guess!

Jim K

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 08:23:04 +0100, fred wrote:

In article , Roger Mills
writes

If you drill concrete with an ordinary hammer drill, you have to use
quite a lot of pressure, and it takes a long time. If you use a decent
SDS drill, it goes into concrete like it was cheese.

I'm asking which of those is a closer description of the performance of
this particular tool.

It does appear to have an SDS 'pump', drilling is relatively slow (see
my other post) and it does not appear to start pumping properly until it
is at full speed in high range, but it does have that pressure free
action once it gets going and the drilled holes are precise.

What you shouldn't expect is the brick splitting power of a mains SDS, I
didn't check what the claimed 1 Joule impact force meant before purchase
but I now find that even a basic (50quid) mains SDS offers 8 Joules
impact.

Much as David has suggested, I had hoped for about half the power of a
mains SDS but it seems significantly below that.

This is based on my test drilling on approx hundred year old medium
hardness brick.

I'll report back later with my comparison with my Li-ion combi.

Just remembered - the manual (yes, I do RTFM) states that the SDS drill
needs to be run in before it achieves full potential.

Having read through the entire manual (including all the various ways you
can damage the battery and render it unsafe, including looking at it
sideways in an overly aggressive manner) I found the additional slip of
paper.

This says that it takes about 10 holes to run the SDS mechanism in and
achieve full performance.

So I need to ask - was your formal testing recorded against the eleventh
hole? ;-)

Cheers

Dave R

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/Given that the Makita body was around £60 then they aren't that far apart.
Expecting a budget SDS to out perform a mid range hammer drill doesn't
seem unreasonable. /q

Subtract the cost of the battery?

Use it every weekend for 6 months & report back!

Jim K

In article , David
wrote:
But assuming the last sentence is yours, I'd agree. It should be
compared to other budget tools - not top of the range stuff. Suppose
it says a great deal that Lidl tools are so good they often are
compared to the quality makes.

Given that the Makita body was around £60 then they aren't that far
apart.

You can't buy the Lidl body only. How much does a Makita battery cost -
probably at least as much as the drill. So something like 2.5 times the
cost of the Lidl?


Expecting a budget SDS to out perform a mid range hammer drill doesn't
seem unreasonable.

Which it comfortably did.

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On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:46:59 +0000, David wrote:

====snip====

Just remembered - the manual (yes, I do RTFM) states that the SDS drill
needs to be run in before it achieves full potential.

Having read through the entire manual (including all the various ways
you can damage the battery and render it unsafe, including looking at it
sideways in an overly aggressive manner) I found the additional slip of
paper.

This says that it takes about 10 holes to run the SDS mechanism in and
achieve full performance.


I wonder if the company is using the same advertising consultant as Russ
Andrews?

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On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 04:28:40 -0700 (PDT), JimK wrote:

/Of course, these days I use the Makita impact driver for screws into soft
wood - which has a similar performance upgrade to that from hammer drill
to SDS :-)

Not tried screwing anything in with an SDS drill (on SDS setting) yet,
though./q

Impact driver works straight into hardwoods too IME.....

IIRC they hit the bit radially to knock it 'around' and the screwthread takes the screw in

ISTR that SDS hits the drill axially to chisel into the material being drilled... so I'd be interested to know what happens were a screw to be SDSed, tho I think I can guess!

Jim K

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On 23 Apr 2015 11:28:03 GMT, David wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:18:05 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
JimK wrote:
/It does sound disappointing.

I was expecting it to be a step up from my Makita combi drill/driver
but a step down from a bigger cordless SDS or a mains SDS.

If it can't whup a Makita combi then it is not much use./q

FFS for 50 odd quid I think your expectations are totally unrealistic!

Do wish you'd sort out your quoting.

But assuming the last sentence is yours, I'd agree. It should be
compared to other budget tools - not top of the range stuff. Suppose it
says a great deal that Lidl tools are so good they often are compared to
the quality makes.

Given that the Makita body was around £60 then they aren't that far apart.
Expecting a budget SDS to out perform a mid range hammer drill doesn't
seem unreasonable.

SDS generally far out performs hammer drills.

About 4 years ago a Makita 18V combi, 1.3Ah NiCd, put 50-off holes, 8mm
dia.x50mm deep in rustic brick on about 1.5 batteries. Not sure of timing as
I was up a ladder and holding the nozzle of a vac. as well. The holes were
for vine eyes and I didn't want the border below dusted red!
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On 2015-04-21, Roger Mills wrote:

On 21/04/2015 20:59, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Monday, 20 April 2015 19:28:59 UTC+1, Roger Mills wrote:


Does it *feel* like an SDS (as opposed to hammer) drill when drilling
into concrete?

You mean does it come with SDS?


No, I mean what I ask! I know it comes with an SDS chuck and takes SDS
drill bits.

If you drill concrete with an ordinary hammer drill, you have to use
quite a lot of pressure, and it takes a long time. If you use a decent
SDS drill, it goes into concrete like it was cheese.

I'm asking which of those is a closer description of the performance of
this particular tool.

Do you just mean "does it feel like a really good SDS drill", or is
there some definition of SDS that I haven't found? AFAICT "SDS"
refers to the design of the chucks & the matching drill shanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill_bit_shank#SDS_shank

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_%28engineering%29#Special_Direct_System_.28S DS.29

In article ,
Adam Funk wrote:
Do you just mean "does it feel like a really good SDS drill", or is
there some definition of SDS that I haven't found? AFAICT "SDS"
refers to the design of the chucks & the matching drill shanks.

The reason for the special chuck is to hold the drill bit in such a way so
it can be whacked better than in an ordinary chuck. Specifically for
drilling hard stone.

If you've never used an SDS it comes as quite a surprise - how an SDS
drill with the same power can drill hard masonry so easily while a hammer
drill can't.

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On 24/04/2015 13:57, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2015-04-21, Roger Mills wrote:



If you drill concrete with an ordinary hammer drill, you have to use
quite a lot of pressure, and it takes a long time. If you use a decent
SDS drill, it goes into concrete like it was cheese.

I'm asking which of those is a closer description of the performance of
this particular tool.

Do you just mean "does it feel like a really good SDS drill", or is
there some definition of SDS that I haven't found? AFAICT "SDS"
refers to the design of the chucks& the matching drill shanks.


SDS drills certainly have fluted drill shanks and special chucks to hold
the bits - but that's only part of the story. They have a vastly
different way of applying impact compared with a hammer drill - more
akin to using a pneumatic drill. That's what makes them go through hard
materials easily. Hence my question about how well the Lidl jobbie
compares with a 'proper' SDS drill.
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On 2015-04-24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Adam Funk wrote:
Do you just mean "does it feel like a really good SDS drill", or is
there some definition of SDS that I haven't found? AFAICT "SDS"
refers to the design of the chucks & the matching drill shanks.

The reason for the special chuck is to hold the drill bit in such a way so
it can be whacked better than in an ordinary chuck. Specifically for
drilling hard stone.

If you've never used an SDS it comes as quite a surprise - how an SDS
drill with the same power can drill hard masonry so easily while a hammer
drill can't.

I have (what I think is) a pretty good Bosch SDS drill. All I'm
wondering about is the definition of "SDS" --- I have no doubt that
the quality behind the chuck varies widely.

In article ,
Adam Funk wrote:
I have (what I think is) a pretty good Bosch SDS drill. All I'm
wondering about is the definition of "SDS" --- I have no doubt that
the quality behind the chuck varies widely.

Most decent SDS drills specify the impact force.

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On 27/04/2015 14:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Most decent SDS drills specify the impact force.

I thought it was the energy? (Joules)

Andy

On 2015-04-27, Vir Campestris wrote:

On 27/04/2015 14:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Most decent SDS drills specify the impact force.

I thought it was the energy? (Joules)

Either way, I guess if they don't tell you, that's a hint?

In article ,
Adam Funk wrote:
On 2015-04-27, Vir Campestris wrote:

On 27/04/2015 14:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Most decent SDS drills specify the impact force.

I thought it was the energy? (Joules)

Either way, I guess if they don't tell you, that's a hint?

Lidl seem quite parsimonious with detail in their ads - often don't even
give the battery capacity. But it's all usually in the instruction book.

At the end of the day - does it drill hard masonry ok? If it does, that's
all I'd expect of a budget SDS drill like this.

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