Got a new Belkin AC1200 (F9J1106 v1) modem router last week. It is
dual-band, and I know what you are going to say about Belkin - it wasn't
my first choice either, but it was free.

Set it up without a problem. It sits in the study at the corner of the
house, ground floor, thickish walls, on a top shelf. Not ideal, I know,
but with my much older modem/router I never got less than 30% signal
anywhere in the house.

I put a few screenshots of my settings he
http://tinypic.com/r/10i6i5u/8
http://tinypic.com/r/2hxvokw/8
http://tinypic.com/r/1495enm/8
They are the same as the once I used with my old router (also a Belkin).

I did some testing earlier today using a couple of Android apps to check
signal strength and wifi speed around the house.

Wired speed seems to be fine - I get pretty much what my ISP claims that
I should get.

However, wifi performance is really bad:

If I am within a few meters of the router, in the same room, I get:

- 72Mbps on the 2.4 GHz network
- 200-433Mbps on the 5G GHz network (seems to vary)

As soon as I am out of the room and the signal drops to below 50-60%,
the 2.4 network drops to between 2 and 12Mbps, and the 5G network to
slightly higher (around 20Mbps).

What I have tried so far:

- Installed the latest firmware.
- 5GHz channel was set to "Auto" and I left it as is.
- For the 2.4Ghz band I tried channels Auto, 1, 6 and 11 and a few
others, but it made no difference.
- Rebooting the router.
- Hard resetting the router to factory settings and entered the settings
again.
- Moved the router to the hallway - open space, and tried to check from
around a corner.

All resulted in the same speed drop.

The house is pretty isolated, with no other wifi's visible, and all the
channels are free from any interference.

Only other wireless devices around the house a
- a cordless landline phone.
- a 3g booster thingy connected to the network switch as mobile signal
here is very poor.
- a central heating wireless controller/thermostat (Honeywell 927 I
believe) - located only 1m away from its receiver.

To be on the safe side I turned them all off, but it made no difference.

My questions a

1. I believe that theoretically I should get somewhere close to 300Mbps
using the 2.4Ghz band, and close to 867Mbp using the 5Ghz when standing
close to the router. Why don't I get anywhere near these values? Why
never more than 72Mbps on the 2.4?

2. Do you think the router is faulty?

3. Anything that I missed?


Any idea how to resolve this?

Many thanks in advance.

J.

JoeJoe wrote:

I believe that theoretically I should get somewhere close to 300Mbps
using the 2.4Ghz band

Only if you have devices with 2x2 MIMO and 40MHz channels, I'd expect
there's already plenty of "trampling" of channels by neighbours even
with 20MHz channels.

and close to 867Mbp using the 5Ghz when standing
close to the router.

For 802.11ac devices with 4x4 MIMO maybe, are your phones ac or n (or
even g, or b) if they're n and likely 2x2 MIMO, then 270-300Mbps is your
max.

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

welcome to the difference between theoretical maximums and real world
performance! I spent last week aiming £200K of test kit at much fancier
access points than a £40 Belkin ;-)

Why never more than 72Mbps on the 2.4?

sounds like SISO 802.11n with 20MHz channel.

On 13/03/2015 07:34, Andy Burns wrote:
JoeJoe wrote:

I believe that theoretically I should get somewhere close to 300Mbps
using the 2.4Ghz band

Only if you have devices with 2x2 MIMO and 40MHz channels, I'd expect
there's already plenty of "trampling" of channels by neighbours even
with 20MHz channels.

There are no neighbours around us - only one house within 40-50m, and I
know they have no wifi (I set up his BB for him). Nothing is visible
when searching for networks either.


and close to 867Mbp using the 5Ghz when standing
close to the router.

For 802.11ac devices with 4x4 MIMO maybe, are your phones ac or n (or
even g, or b) if they're n and likely 2x2 MIMO, then 270-300Mbps is your
max.

Good point - haven't thought of that. I'd be happy with anything in the
00's. I did do the testing using a Nexus 4 - only 802.1n, and a Samsung
Galaxy Tab Pro tablet (ac according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...10_1-5940.php), so 72Mbps
still sounds a bit low surely?

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

welcome to the difference between theoretical maximums and real world
performance! I spent last week aiming £200K of test kit at much fancier
access points than a £40 Belkin ;-)

Why never more than 72Mbps on the 2.4?

sounds like SISO 802.11n with 20MHz channel.

....but why? It is a pretty recent router (2-3 years old I believe), 2
antennas, and although I couldn't find the details spec online, I am
sure it supports pretty advanced features.

....and most importantly, why such a dramatic drop in speed (10Mbps)
when signal is still strong?


Thanks a lot for taking the time to reply!

On 13/03/2015 09:05, JoeJoe wrote:
On 13/03/2015 07:34, Andy Burns wrote:
JoeJoe wrote:

I believe that theoretically I should get somewhere close to 300Mbps
using the 2.4Ghz band

Only if you have devices with 2x2 MIMO and 40MHz channels, I'd expect
there's already plenty of "trampling" of channels by neighbours even
with 20MHz channels.

There are no neighbours around us - only one house within 40-50m, and I
know they have no wifi (I set up his BB for him). Nothing is visible
when searching for networks either.


and close to 867Mbp using the 5Ghz when standing
close to the router.

For 802.11ac devices with 4x4 MIMO maybe, are your phones ac or n (or
even g, or b) if they're n and likely 2x2 MIMO, then 270-300Mbps is your
max.

Good point - haven't thought of that. I'd be happy with anything in the
00's. I did do the testing using a Nexus 4 - only 802.1n, and a Samsung
Galaxy Tab Pro tablet (ac according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...10_1-5940.php), so 72Mbps
still sounds a bit low surely?

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

welcome to the difference between theoretical maximums and real world
performance! I spent last week aiming £200K of test kit at much fancier
access points than a £40 Belkin ;-)

Why never more than 72Mbps on the 2.4?

sounds like SISO 802.11n with 20MHz channel.

....but why? It is a pretty recent router (2-3 years old I believe), 2
antennas, and although I couldn't find the details spec online, I am
sure it supports pretty advanced features.

....and most importantly, why such a dramatic drop in speed (10Mbps)
when signal is still strong?


Thanks a lot for taking the time to reply!

Also, the router bandwidth is set up as 20/40 MHz for 2.4 and
20/40/80MHz for 5G, so should allow for 40Mhz channels.

What people often forget is the channel going back the other way is
dependent on the naff hardware in the device itself, and if you lose a lot
of packets the effect is slow downs.
I was amazed when I plugged a dual band dongle into a computer here the
other day to see over 50 wireless networks with apparently usable signals. I
have most things wired now.
Brian

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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
JoeJoe wrote:

I believe that theoretically I should get somewhere close to 300Mbps
using the 2.4Ghz band

Only if you have devices with 2x2 MIMO and 40MHz channels, I'd expect
there's already plenty of "trampling" of channels by neighbours even with
20MHz channels.

and close to 867Mbp using the 5Ghz when standing
close to the router.

For 802.11ac devices with 4x4 MIMO maybe, are your phones ac or n (or even
g, or b) if they're n and likely 2x2 MIMO, then 270-300Mbps is your max.

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

welcome to the difference between theoretical maximums and real world
performance! I spent last week aiming £200K of test kit at much fancier
access points than a £40 Belkin ;-)

Why never more than 72Mbps on the 2.4?

sounds like SISO 802.11n with 20MHz channel.

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
I believe that theoretically I should get somewhere close to 300Mbps
using the 2.4Ghz band

Only if you have devices with 2x2 MIMO and 40MHz channels, I'd expect
there's already plenty of "trampling" of channels by neighbours even
with 20MHz channels.

I see something like 25 Wi-Fi networks from here. Including 4 which are
also BT fibre, like mine, by the 'Phon' description. But it seems to work
ok indoors here. And my router isn't in the ideal place - it's in the
cellar, where the cabling is for the original non wireless one.

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On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 09:05:29 +0000, JoeJoe wrote:

....and most importantly, why such a dramatic drop in speed (10Mbps)
when signal is still strong?

That's digits and radio frequency stuff for you. Strength isn't
everything reflections of the RF introduce cancelations/peaks spread
across the band. How well the digit detection and/or protocols after
that can handle this real world signal is very variable.

As interference from other devices doesn't appear to be likely. Have
you checked that both aerials are not damaged/broken and are
connected to the radio(s) inside the unit (fractured/failed joint
etc). As this was "free" I'm assuming 2nd user so voiding any
warranty isn't an issue.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 13/03/2015 09:14, JoeJoe wrote:

Good point - haven't thought of that. I'd be happy with anything in the
00's. I did do the testing using a Nexus 4 - only 802.1n, and a Samsung
Galaxy Tab Pro tablet (ac according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...10_1-5940.php), so 72Mbps
still sounds a bit low surely?

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

Firstly, prejudice aside, try testing with something that *isn't* an
Android device. Both of those devices you mention have had reports of
poor Wifi performance, (JGFI) if you are going to be battling Android
revision and driver problems on top of physical RF issues you will be
chasing your tail for ages.

If things check out, then it *might* be worth checking out the likes of
XDA to see if the Android issues have been fixed...

On 13/03/2015 11:12, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 09:05:29 +0000, JoeJoe wrote:

....and most importantly, why such a dramatic drop in speed (10Mbps)
when signal is still strong?

That's digits and radio frequency stuff for you. Strength isn't
everything reflections of the RF introduce cancelations/peaks spread
across the band. How well the digit detection and/or protocols after
that can handle this real world signal is very variable.

As interference from other devices doesn't appear to be likely. Have
you checked that both aerials are not damaged/broken and are
connected to the radio(s) inside the unit (fractured/failed joint
etc). As this was "free" I'm assuming 2nd user so voiding any
warranty isn't an issue.

Sorry, I should have made it clearer - the router is brand new. The
antennas are hidden behind some plastic panels, but I assume intact.

It was free because it was a replacement for a faulty one. Only reason I
still use Belkin (I know, I know) is due to their lifetime warranty.

I bought the original modem (wasn't even a router) around 2001-2 I
believe. They start misbehaving every 4 years or so, and upon phoning
them they send me the latest model they have available at the time,
pretty much no question asked. 4-5 years ago they made a mistake in
their warehouse and ended up sending me 3 replacement units over a 2
week period that they insisted that I could keep. I sold the other 2 for
around £70 each on eBay... ;-)

On 13/03/2015 11:29, Lee wrote:
On 13/03/2015 09:14, JoeJoe wrote:

Good point - haven't thought of that. I'd be happy with anything in the
00's. I did do the testing using a Nexus 4 - only 802.1n, and a Samsung
Galaxy Tab Pro tablet (ac according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...10_1-5940.php), so 72Mbps
still sounds a bit low surely?

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

Firstly, prejudice aside, try testing with something that *isn't* an
Android device. Both of those devices you mention have had reports of
poor Wifi performance, (JGFI) if you are going to be battling Android
revision and driver problems on top of physical RF issues you will be
chasing your tail for ages.

If things check out, then it *might* be worth checking out the likes of
XDA to see if the Android issues have been fixed...

I think you hit the nail on the head!

I have so far tried testing with a Nexus 4 (rated 802.1n) and a Samsung
tablet (rated 802.1ac), so thought I had all bases covered.

Well, I just tried using my oldish netbook. The tablet sitting next to
it reports weak/very weak signal and speed of 12-19Mbps, whilst the
netbook reports strong signal and 120Mbps...

I am quite surprised I must say.

On 13/03/2015 11:29, Lee wrote:
On 13/03/2015 09:14, JoeJoe wrote:

Good point - haven't thought of that. I'd be happy with anything in the
00's. I did do the testing using a Nexus 4 - only 802.1n, and a Samsung
Galaxy Tab Pro tablet (ac according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...10_1-5940.php), so 72Mbps
still sounds a bit low surely?

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

Firstly, prejudice aside, try testing with something that *isn't* an
Android device. Both of those devices you mention have had reports of
poor Wifi performance, (JGFI) if you are going to be battling Android
revision and driver problems on top of physical RF issues you will be
chasing your tail for ages.

If things check out, then it *might* be worth checking out the likes of
XDA to see if the Android issues have been fixed...

Just had a look at xda, and as you pointed out, there are quite a few
references to poor wifi performance with these devices.

There is a possible solution, but it involves rooting, so I think I'll
give that a miss.

With v5.1 rolling out (no news about Nexus 4 update though), I may just
hold on for a while.

On 13/03/2015 11:39, JoeJoe wrote:

Well, I just tried using my oldish netbook. The tablet sitting next to
it reports weak/very weak signal and speed of 12-19Mbps, whilst the
netbook reports strong signal and 120Mbps...


I am quite surprised I must say.

Having several Android devices, I am not
The Galaxy Note4 seems to be the best of the bunch I have here for WiFi,
though it still only manages 125mbps, while the laptop manages 450mbps
in the same place...

Lee

On 13/03/2015 12:46, Lee wrote:
On 13/03/2015 11:39, JoeJoe wrote:

Well, I just tried using my oldish netbook. The tablet sitting next to
it reports weak/very weak signal and speed of 12-19Mbps, whilst the
netbook reports strong signal and 120Mbps...


I am quite surprised I must say.

Having several Android devices, I am not
The Galaxy Note4 seems to be the best of the bunch I have here for WiFi,
though it still only manages 125mbps, while the laptop manages 450mbps
in the same place...

Lee

Now you are telling me... ;-)

I've spend quite a few hours over the last few days trying God knows how
many setups to work out what was going wrong.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 11:38:11 +0000, JoeJoe wrote:

Sorry, I should have made it clearer - the router is brand new. The
antennas are hidden behind some plastic panels, but I assume intact.

Hidden aerials not good but very common these days.

I bought the original modem (wasn't even a router) around 2001-2 I
believe. They start misbehaving every 4 years or so, and upon phoning
them they send me the latest model they have available at the time,
pretty much no question asked.

Blimely free upgrades for life? Does that still exist with new Belkin
kit?
Could help to explain their generally high prices for not
particularly well respected kit. B-)

Interested in the comments about Android and WiFi. Both phone (S3
mini) and tablet (Tab 2 7") randomly disconnect/reconnect when within
feet of the AP. I've always put it down to the ancient Netgear WG102
AP, maybe it's a bit of both. No.1 Daughter occasionally complains
about the WiFi on her HP laptop.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 11:38:11 +0000, JoeJoe wrote:

Sorry, I should have made it clearer - the router is brand new. The
antennas are hidden behind some plastic panels, but I assume intact.

Hidden aerials not good but very common these days.

I bought the original modem (wasn't even a router) around 2001-2 I
believe. They start misbehaving every 4 years or so, and upon phoning
them they send me the latest model they have available at the time,
pretty much no question asked.

Blimely free upgrades for life? Does that still exist with new Belkin
kit?
Could help to explain their generally high prices for not
particularly well respected kit. B-)

Interested in the comments about Android and WiFi. Both phone (S3
mini) and tablet (Tab 2 7") randomly disconnect/reconnect when within
feet of the AP. I've always put it down to the ancient Netgear WG102
AP, maybe it's a bit of both. No.1 Daughter occasionally complains
about the WiFi on her HP laptop.


Wifi can be such a flakey thing (or the kit anyway).

A few years ago my phone would often just 'lose' the connection and
refuse to see it until you toggled the wifi on an off. I replaced AP and
all was fine after that.

More recently, we've had lots of problems with connections randomly
getting really slow (eg dropping from say 30 Mbps, to maybe 1 Mbps or
whatever, and quite erratic - it would sit doing nothing then suddenly
download a little spurt etc.. It was almost usable and only really cured
by rebooting the router.

At first thought it might be some significant interference, but couldn't
see anything obvious.

Repalced the AP (and took the opportunity to rationalise the kit, since
we'd since got FTTC)with a new router and so far it's all been fine
--
Chris French

On 13/03/2015 15:07, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Interested in the comments about Android and WiFi. Both phone (S3
mini) and tablet (Tab 2 7") randomly disconnect/reconnect when within
feet of the AP. I've always put it down to the ancient Netgear WG102
AP, maybe it's a bit of both. No.1 Daughter occasionally complains
about the WiFi on her HP laptop.


IMO the biggest problem is that Android is even more fragmented than
Windows, so it's rarely clear whether it's Android or the hardware
Sometimes you can get lucky and one of the published "fixes" will work,
bit like Windows and Linux, tbf.

I'm sure the WiFi was a bit better on the S3 I have when it was running
4.1 than 4.3, and possibly slightly better when paired with the previous
Billion 7800N, although that was coincidental to 4.1, so I don't know.
Anyway, the Note 4 seems to work well enough with the current router and
the S3 has been relegated to ODB2 monitor duty, it can just about manage
that


Lee

"JoeJoe" wrote in message
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On 13/03/2015 11:29, Lee wrote:
On 13/03/2015 09:14, JoeJoe wrote:

Good point - haven't thought of that. I'd be happy with anything in the
00's. I did do the testing using a Nexus 4 - only 802.1n, and a Samsung
Galaxy Tab Pro tablet (ac according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...10_1-5940.php), so
72Mbps
still sounds a bit low surely?

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

Firstly, prejudice aside, try testing with something that *isn't* an
Android device. Both of those devices you mention have had reports of
poor Wifi performance, (JGFI) if you are going to be battling Android
revision and driver problems on top of physical RF issues you will be
chasing your tail for ages.

If things check out, then it *might* be worth checking out the likes of
XDA to see if the Android issues have been fixed...

I think you hit the nail on the head!

I have so far tried testing with a Nexus 4 (rated 802.1n) and a Samsung
tablet (rated 802.1ac), so thought I had all bases covered.

Well, I just tried using my oldish netbook. The tablet sitting next to it
reports weak/very weak signal and speed of 12-19Mbps, whilst the netbook
reports strong signal and 120Mbps...

I got the reverse effect. I am sharing my wifi with my next door neighbour
who can't afford an internet service. I couldnt see my wifi when inside her
house on my iphone 5, but her grand kid's Galaxy Tab 3 Lite 7" sees it fine
but doesnt get all that reliable thruput. She got a Galaxy Tab 3 Lite 7"
herself,
mostly to listen to a particular radio broadcast on the net. I've put one of
those
Medion wifi extenders about half way down her backyard and that works fine
and is very reliable thruput wise. While its half the thruput due to the way
those
extenders work, its fine for the radio broadcast bandwidth. I could run a
CAT5
cable there from my place and get full thruput, but haven't bothered and dont
like the small risk of a lightning strike on that. If there is a lightning
strike on
the wifi extender without the CAT5 cable, the worst that's lost is the wifi
extender that cost peanuts.

I am quite surprised I must say.

JoeJoe wrote:

It is a pretty recent router (2-3 years old I believe), 2
antennas, and although I couldn't find the details spec online, I am
sure it supports pretty advanced features.

It's not bad for a home router (ac, gigabit, dual band)

If the router has two aerials, but the phone only has one, then it can
choose the best aerial for diversity, but it can't use them both at the
same time for beam-forming, so 72Mbps is your max for "n".

...and most importantly, why such a dramatic drop in speed (10Mbps)
when signal is still strong?

Is that in the room, or through a wall or two? what are the walls made of?

On 13/03/2015 15:07, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 11:38:11 +0000, JoeJoe wrote:

Sorry, I should have made it clearer - the router is brand new. The
antennas are hidden behind some plastic panels, but I assume intact.

Hidden aerials not good but very common these days.

I bought the original modem (wasn't even a router) around 2001-2 I
believe. They start misbehaving every 4 years or so, and upon phoning
them they send me the latest model they have available at the time,
pretty much no question asked.

Blimely free upgrades for life? Does that still exist with new Belkin
kit?

I think it is only 2 years now.

Could help to explain their generally high prices for not
particularly well respected kit. B-)

Agreed.

On 13/03/2015 11:52, JoeJoe wrote:
On 13/03/2015 11:29, Lee wrote:
On 13/03/2015 09:14, JoeJoe wrote:

Good point - haven't thought of that. I'd be happy with anything in the
00's. I did do the testing using a Nexus 4 - only 802.1n, and a Samsung
Galaxy Tab Pro tablet (ac according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...10_1-5940.php), so
72Mbps
still sounds a bit low surely?

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

Firstly, prejudice aside, try testing with something that *isn't* an
Android device. Both of those devices you mention have had reports of
poor Wifi performance, (JGFI) if you are going to be battling Android
revision and driver problems on top of physical RF issues you will be
chasing your tail for ages.

If things check out, then it *might* be worth checking out the likes of
XDA to see if the Android issues have been fixed...

Just had a look at xda, and as you pointed out, there are quite a few
references to poor wifi performance with these devices.

There is a possible solution, but it involves rooting, so I think I'll
give that a miss.

With v5.1 rolling out (no news about Nexus 4 update though), I may just
hold on for a while.

In the grand scheme of things, how important is it to be able to shift
data from router to tablet etc so much faster than you can get it into
the house in the first place? It seems to me that there must be limited
applications where one needs to shift gigs of data between phones /
tablets etc on a routine basis.


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John.

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On 13/03/2015 23:11, John Rumm wrote:
On 13/03/2015 11:52, JoeJoe wrote:
On 13/03/2015 11:29, Lee wrote:
On 13/03/2015 09:14, JoeJoe wrote:

Good point - haven't thought of that. I'd be happy with anything in
the
00's. I did do the testing using a Nexus 4 - only 802.1n, and a
Samsung
Galaxy Tab Pro tablet (ac according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...10_1-5940.php), so
72Mbps
still sounds a bit low surely?

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

Firstly, prejudice aside, try testing with something that *isn't* an
Android device. Both of those devices you mention have had reports of
poor Wifi performance, (JGFI) if you are going to be battling Android
revision and driver problems on top of physical RF issues you will be
chasing your tail for ages.

If things check out, then it *might* be worth checking out the likes of
XDA to see if the Android issues have been fixed...

Just had a look at xda, and as you pointed out, there are quite a few
references to poor wifi performance with these devices.

There is a possible solution, but it involves rooting, so I think I'll
give that a miss.

With v5.1 rolling out (no news about Nexus 4 update though), I may just
hold on for a while.

In the grand scheme of things, how important is it to be able to shift
data from router to tablet etc so much faster than you can get it into
the house in the first place? It seems to me that there must be limited
applications where one needs to shift gigs of data between phones /
tablets etc on a routine basis.

I never checked the speed for the reasons you described, and only
started to investigate when:

- I noticed that I could not stream Sky Go and iPlayer to the tablet
fast enough when too far away from the router (kept on buffering); and
- had some problems when video Skype-ing.

I'll be more than happy if I could get my BB speed on wifi anywhere
around the house - around 14Mbps, but I am currently getting only 2Mbps...

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 13/03/2015 11:52, JoeJoe wrote:
On 13/03/2015 11:29, Lee wrote:
On 13/03/2015 09:14, JoeJoe wrote:

Good point - haven't thought of that. I'd be happy with anything in
the
00's. I did do the testing using a Nexus 4 - only 802.1n, and a
Samsung
Galaxy Tab Pro tablet (ac according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...10_1-5940.php), so
72Mbps
still sounds a bit low surely?

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

Firstly, prejudice aside, try testing with something that *isn't* an
Android device. Both of those devices you mention have had reports of
poor Wifi performance, (JGFI) if you are going to be battling Android
revision and driver problems on top of physical RF issues you will be
chasing your tail for ages.

If things check out, then it *might* be worth checking out the likes of
XDA to see if the Android issues have been fixed...

Just had a look at xda, and as you pointed out, there are quite a few
references to poor wifi performance with these devices.

There is a possible solution, but it involves rooting, so I think I'll
give that a miss.

With v5.1 rolling out (no news about Nexus 4 update though), I may just
hold on for a while.

In the grand scheme of things, how important is it to be able to shift
data from router to tablet etc so much faster than you can get it into the
house in the first place?

The main situation where I need to do that is to put videos into
a phone or tablet after its been downloaded using the desktop.

The other obvious use is with modern smartphones
and tablets that are very decent video cameras now.

I normally do that using USB because its a lot faster than wifi.

It seems to me that there must be limited
applications where one needs to shift gigs of data between phones /
tablets etc on a routine basis.

Sure, but its still useful to do that quickly if you do it often.

On 13/03/2015 23:25, JoeJoe wrote:
On 13/03/2015 23:11, John Rumm wrote:
On 13/03/2015 11:52, JoeJoe wrote:
On 13/03/2015 11:29, Lee wrote:
On 13/03/2015 09:14, JoeJoe wrote:

Good point - haven't thought of that. I'd be happy with anything in
the
00's. I did do the testing using a Nexus 4 - only 802.1n, and a
Samsung
Galaxy Tab Pro tablet (ac according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...10_1-5940.php), so
72Mbps
still sounds a bit low surely?

Why don't I get anywhere near these values?

Firstly, prejudice aside, try testing with something that *isn't* an
Android device. Both of those devices you mention have had reports of
poor Wifi performance, (JGFI) if you are going to be battling Android
revision and driver problems on top of physical RF issues you will be
chasing your tail for ages.

If things check out, then it *might* be worth checking out the likes of
XDA to see if the Android issues have been fixed...

Just had a look at xda, and as you pointed out, there are quite a few
references to poor wifi performance with these devices.

There is a possible solution, but it involves rooting, so I think I'll
give that a miss.

With v5.1 rolling out (no news about Nexus 4 update though), I may just
hold on for a while.

In the grand scheme of things, how important is it to be able to shift
data from router to tablet etc so much faster than you can get it into
the house in the first place? It seems to me that there must be limited
applications where one needs to shift gigs of data between phones /
tablets etc on a routine basis.

I never checked the speed for the reasons you described, and only
started to investigate when:

- I noticed that I could not stream Sky Go and iPlayer to the tablet
fast enough when too far away from the router (kept on buffering); and
- had some problems when video Skype-ing.

I'll be more than happy if I could get my BB speed on wifi anywhere
around the house - around 14Mbps, but I am currently getting only 2Mbps...

That I can sympathise with... I was just wondering why spending the
effort trying to get hundreds of megs, when perhaps focusing on range /
coverage would be the way to go.


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Cheers,

John.

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