http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23081896

Only four people have so far signed up to a flagship government scheme
to make homes more energy-efficient.

Totally stupid idea. WTF is going to buy a home that comes with a debt.
Okay, the odd Duke might do it when there are death duties to pay.

**** it

Poxy BBC site showing year old stories - again.

Yes, but only the other day I got a call claiming to be a company
representing the Greene deal.
It was blatant marketing and so in my view. the public are distrustful, and
are wise to all the spin. I remember that nothing has changed for years. I
had loft insulation done back then, yet nobody seems to have realised this
or kept the info, so I continually get British Gass wanting to do it.
Load of inept idiots. Brian

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**** it

Poxy BBC site showing year old stories - again.

On 05/10/14 09:00, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes, but only the other day I got a call claiming to be a company
representing the Greene deal.
It was blatant marketing and so in my view. the public are distrustful, and
are wise to all the spin. I remember that nothing has changed for years. I
had loft insulation done back then, yet nobody seems to have realised this
or kept the info, so I continually get British Gass wanting to do it.
Load of inept idiots. Brian


The most "convincing" green sell I had recently was a company selling
gov sponsored air source heat pumps.

It sounded great.

Until I looked up the figures and found the pumping efficiency was about
300% at best which still meant a modern gas boiler was cheaper to run
and cheaper to install.

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 09:09:21 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

The most "convincing" green sell I had recently was a company selling
gov sponsored air source heat pumps.

It sounded great.

Until I looked up the figures and found the pumping efficiency was about
300% at best which still meant a modern gas boiler was cheaper to run
and cheaper to install.

Presumably that would have been under the RHI, if so having mains gas
makes you ineligble for the RHI...

RHI another thing they fiddled with between consultation and
implimentation. Solar Thermal systems have to be HW only, hybrid
solar thermal systems, ie that heat a thermal store that is also
heated by a "non-green" energy source are excluded. Yet are included
if the primamry energy source is "green" and AIUI you get both RHI
payments, the Solar Thermal and Heat Pump/Wood Pellet/WHY payment.

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**** it

Poxy BBC site showing year old stories - again.

Yeah! The *******s! Look at this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/4286818.stm

Why the **** do I pay my licence fee...

I also suspect that as nobody has actually heard what is on offer or
understands it,when they have, its hardly surprising.
Brian

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23081896

Only four people have so far signed up to a flagship government scheme
to make homes more energy-efficient.

Totally stupid idea. WTF is going to buy a home that comes with a debt.
Okay, the odd Duke might do it when there are death duties to pay.

On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 06:33:51 +0100, Jabba wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23081896

Only four people have so far signed up to a flagship government scheme
to make homes more energy-efficient.

Check the date, Oh you have. B-)

Totally stupid idea. WTF is going to buy a home that comes with a debt.

Quite. Total waste of time and money, "Fewer than 4,000 households
had signed up for 'Green Deals' by the end of
July."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ene...eal-energy-eff
iciency-scheme-a-disappointing-failure.html 15 Sep '14.

If government want to improve household energy effciency they are
going to have to pay for it. A scheme that has the householder paying
over the odds via something that may affect the value of their
property and no gurantee of any savings is just plain daft.

If it had been an interest free loan, or fixed at the BoE base rate
at the time of taking the loan, with the abilty to pay off early with
no penalty
it may have stood a chance.

The Green Deal Home Improvement Fund, didn't get a great deal a
publicity but had to be closed early and suddenly due to over
subscription. That just shows that people *DO* want to improve their
homes energy effcieny and make savings on their energy bills but just
don't have the capital available to do it.

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"Dave Liquorice" writes:
Quite. Total waste of time and money, "Fewer than 4,000 households
had signed up for 'Green Deals' by the end of
July."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ene...eal-energy-eff
iciency-scheme-a-disappointing-failure.html 15 Sep '14.

If government want to improve household energy effciency they are
going to have to pay for it. A scheme that has the householder paying
over the odds via something that may affect the value of their
property and no gurantee of any savings is just plain daft.

The problem is that lots of people are trying to make a profit out
of something that's only marginally worth doing at cost in the first
place. When you add on the profit for the installers, the profit for
the loan company, the profit for the training and certification
companies, professional bodies, etc, any scheme has become unviable.

The only way any of these schemes would be viable is as a DIY job,
but the government have locked DIY out of all the current schemes,
because they take too much notice of industry sectors which are out
to profit from it. There's no honest profit to be had, only the
handouts from the government or the tax levied on energy sales.

If it had been an interest free loan, or fixed at the BoE base rate
at the time of taking the loan, with the abilty to pay off early with
no penalty
it may have stood a chance.

The Green Deal Home Improvement Fund, didn't get a great deal a
publicity but had to be closed early and suddenly due to over
subscription. That just shows that people *DO* want to improve their
homes energy effcieny and make savings on their energy bills but just
don't have the capital available to do it.

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The problem is that lots of people are trying to make a profit out
of something that's only marginally worth doing at cost in the first
place. When you add on the profit for the installers, the profit for
the loan company, the profit for the training and certification
companies, professional bodies, etc, any scheme has become unviable.

The only way any of these schemes would be viable is as a DIY job,

That, or a rolling programme. Street-by-street, doing each house in turn,
targeted at the design of houses on a given road (this street is cavity
wall, that street is external polystyrene). Big economies of scale in
both parts and labour, and put the energy companies' subsidy into making it
a no-brainer for the householder (maybe repayment of 50% of the energy saved,
can be paid off penalty-free when you sell the house, or something).

There's a lot of homes that need the work, so it's not like doing it
efficiently is going to leave lots of installers twiddling their thumbs.

Theo

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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
The problem is that lots of people are trying to make a profit out
of something that's only marginally worth doing at cost in the first
place. When you add on the profit for the installers, the profit for
the loan company, the profit for the training and certification
companies, professional bodies, etc, any scheme has become unviable.

The only way any of these schemes would be viable is as a DIY job,

That, or a rolling programme. Street-by-street, doing each house in turn,
targeted at the design of houses on a given road (this street is cavity
wall, that street is external polystyrene).

bit unfair of whichever set of householders are at the end of the queue

tim

And I wondered why "Tory Green Deal" when all 3 main parties promised
such a scheme in their manifestos and the Secretary of State for Energy
and Climate Change has been a Lib Dem throughout the coalition in 2010

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Robin wrote


And I wondered why "Tory Green Deal" when all 3 main parties promised
such a scheme in their manifestos and the Secretary of State for Energy
and Climate Change has been a Lib Dem throughout the coalition in 2010



Did you spot the difference between previous deals and the tory one?

Did you spot the difference between previous deals and the tory one?

If you mean the switch from grants to loans then I spotted in 2010 that
all 3 manifestos* planned pay-as-you-save schemes for energy efficiency.
Remem,ber that even Labour knew there was no money left?

But I am happy for you to continue to believe the Green Deal was all a
nasty Tory idea, and that Labour and the Lib Derms would have funded
grants by (a) borrowing more, (b) putting up energy prices more, or (c)
putting up taxes.


*To save you digging out your copies:
Labour: We will legislate to introduce 'Pay As You Save' financing
schemes under which home energy improvements can be paid for from the
savings they generate on energy bills.
Lib Dem: Begin a ten-year programme of home insulation, offering a home
energy improvement package of up to £10,000 per home, paid for by the
savings from lower energy bills, and make sure every new home is fully
energy-effi cient by improving building regulations.
Conservatives: Rising energy costs hit families hard, so we will create
a 'Green Deal', giving every home up to £6,500 worth of energy
improvement measures - with more for hard-to-treat homes - paid for out
of savings made on fuel bills over 25 years.

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Robin wrote


And I wondered why "Tory Green Deal" when all 3 main parties promised
such a scheme in their manifestos and the Secretary of State for Energy
and Climate Change has been a Lib Dem throughout the coalition in 2010



Did you spot the difference between previous deals and the tory one?

that's irrelevant

it's want you didn't spot that is.

and what you didn't spot is that the GD as currently implemented is LD
policy implemented by an LD minister.

(though I accept that the Tories bought into it)

tim