Friend has finally decided to concede a little to the 20th century and get gas CH. He's never had heating as far as I can tell. There's also no CWI in the cavities, but he does have good loft insulation.

Is this a situation where he can gain anything from the govt initiatives on offer? He has a knackered boiler on the scrap pile in the shed if that's any help.


NT

In article ,
writes:
Friend has finally decided to concede a little to the 20th century and get gas CH. He's never had heating as far as I can tell. There's also no CWI in the cavities, but he does have good loft insulation.

Is this a situation where he can gain anything from the govt initiatives on offer? He has a knackered boiler on the scrap pile in the shed if that's any help.

At the moment, there's a big problem with green deal survey
fraud - you pay up front, and no survey happenes. Beware of this.

I think green deal has to be able to show savings to be usable.
What heating method does friend currently use?
I don't know if it would be usable in the case where there is
no current heating, and hence no saving to be made by adding
heating to a home.

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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
writes:
Friend has finally decided to concede a little to the 20th century and
get gas CH. He's never had heating as far as I can tell. There's also no
CWI in the cavities, but he does have good loft insulation.

Is this a situation where he can gain anything from the govt initiatives
on offer? He has a knackered boiler on the scrap pile in the shed if
that's any help.

At the moment, there's a big problem with green deal survey
fraud - you pay up front, and no survey happenes. Beware of this.

I think green deal has to be able to show savings to be usable.
What heating method does friend currently use?
I don't know if it would be usable in the case where there is
no current heating, and hence no saving to be made by adding
heating to a home.

surely if there is "no" heating the process will assume hearting by standing
electric heaters.

it won't assume that the occupants sit in the cold and put on extra woollies

tim

In message ,
writes
Friend has finally decided to concede a little to the 20th century and
get gas CH. He's never had heating as far as I can tell. There's also
no CWI in the cavities, but he does have good loft insulation.

Is this a situation where he can gain anything from the govt
initiatives on offer? He has a knackered boiler on the scrap pile in
the shed if that's any help.


NT
Depends on his financial circumstances. Check out BGAS website for
social fund or whatever it is called for those on benefits.
green deal is just a (very poor) loan deal.
--
bert

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:18:21 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Is this a situation where he can gain anything from the govt
initiatives on offer? He has a knackered boiler on the scrap pile
in
the shed if that's any help.

Not a help at all, any new boiler will have to be up to decent modern
spec and be installed by an approved installer.

At the moment, there's a big problem with green deal survey
fraud - you pay up front, and no survey happenes. Beware of this.

Yep, email neighbourhood alerts has something about this in the week.
Cold callers, phone, etc and not just Green Deal but EPC's as well.

I think green deal has to be able to show savings to be usable.

Remember the Green Deal is a loan, you pay it back with increased
electricty bills. Watch the Interest rate, a bank loan may well be
cheaper! In theory the savings made offset the bigger bills but TBH
it's a bit of a gamble. If the person doing the GD survey knows his
stuff what they come up with should be fine. But I have sneaky
feeling that a significant number of these "surveyors" just tick the
approximate box in the app on their tablet and follow what it says
with no real understanding of what they are doing or if the results
are as equal in garbage as the data input.

Also the Green Deal loan is attached to the property so if you sell,
the buyer has on take on the bigger power bills.

What heating method does friend currently use? I don't know if it would
be usable in the case where there is no current heating, and hence no
saving to be made by adding heating to a home.

Presumably there is some heating, just not central heating. So open
fires, electric heaters, etc. Getting the cavities insulated would be
first on my list, followed by double glazing to cut drafts, but if
open fires are being used pay attention to ventilation.

--
Cheers
Dave.

NT:

Friend has finally decided to concede a little to the 20th century and get gas CH. He's never had heating as far as I can tell. There's also no CWI in the cavities, but he does have good loft insulation.

Is this a situation where he can gain anything from the govt initiatives on offer? He has a knackered boiler on the scrap pile in the shed if that's any help.


Andrew Gabriel:

At the moment, there's a big problem with green deal survey
fraud - you pay up front, and no survey happenes. Beware of this.

I think green deal has to be able to show savings to be usable.
What heating method does friend currently use?
I don't know if it would be usable in the case where there is
no current heating, and hence no saving to be made by adding
heating to a home.

There's no heating, but plugin heaters could be arranged


tim:

surely if there is "no" heating the process will assume hearting by standing
electric heaters.
it won't assume that the occupants sit in the cold and put on extra woollies

tim



Dave Liquorice

Is this a situation where he can gain anything from the govt
initiatives on offer? He has a knackered boiler on the scrap pile in
the shed if that's any help.

Not a help at all, any new boiler will have to be up to decent modern
spec and be installed by an approved installer.

The point is that if it were in the right place it might or might not result in qualifying for something. If so its not hard to make a flue hole & screw it to the wall. And a cable.


What heating method does friend currently use? I don't know if it would
be usable in the case where there is no current heating, and hence no
saving to be made by adding heating to a home.

Presumably there is some heating, just not central heating. So open
fires, electric heaters, etc.

no heating, as said.

Getting the cavities insulated would be
first on my list,

CWI is a no brainer, ISTR calculating something like 30% ROI for another house. The question is what deals are available?

followed by double glazing to cut drafts, but if

no

open fires are being used pay attention to ventilation.



bert

Depends on his financial circumstances. Check out BGAS website for
social fund or whatever it is called for those on benefits.
green deal is just a (very poor) loan deal.

he's not on benefits.

I've now suggested he applies for grant paid CWI. But I guess green deal is the only offer going for a boiler.

thanks


NT

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:11:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Not a help at all, any new boiler will have to be up to decent
modern
spec and be installed by an approved installer.

The point is that if it were in the right place it might or might not
result in qualifying for something. If so its not hard to make a flue
hole & screw it to the wall. And a cable.

So pretend there is something? Even the most plank like GD surveyor
is unlikely to fall for that one. I don't think lack of a boiler or
CH system stops one being installed under the schemes,

CWI is a no brainer, ISTR calculating something like 30% ROI for another
house. The question is what deals are available?

The Green one... Wander across to the Energy Savings Trust, that'll
give what schemes are out there but unless your friend is a pensioner
and/or on certain benefits I think the only one open will be the
Green Deal which, TBH, I'd be very wary of.

How many GD surveys have been done? How many GD's actually in
place?

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...-deal-loan-tak
e-up-disappointing-ed-davey-eco

http://www.edie.net/news/6/Green-Dea...s--worst-month
-on-record--/

150,000+ assements, a 800 odd finance deals.

--
Cheers
Dave.

wrote:

Friend has finally decided to concede a little to the 20th century and get gas CH.

If he's going ahead anyway, he might as well look into "Green Deal 2"
which gives up to £1100 back for certain improvements you fund yourself,
you have to have a survey and use an approved installer. Some secondary
glazing should count for the 2nd item. That way he doesn't encumber the
house with a long-term expensive loan clawed-back via his energy bills.

https://www.gov.uk/green-deal-energy-saving-measures/get-money-back-from-the-green-deal-home-improvement-fund

In article ,
"tim....." writes:

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
writes:
Friend has finally decided to concede a little to the 20th century and
get gas CH. He's never had heating as far as I can tell. There's also no
CWI in the cavities, but he does have good loft insulation.

Is this a situation where he can gain anything from the govt initiatives
on offer? He has a knackered boiler on the scrap pile in the shed if
that's any help.

At the moment, there's a big problem with green deal survey
fraud - you pay up front, and no survey happenes. Beware of this.

I think green deal has to be able to show savings to be usable.
What heating method does friend currently use?
I don't know if it would be usable in the case where there is
no current heating, and hence no saving to be made by adding
heating to a home.

surely if there is "no" heating the process will assume hearting by standing
electric heaters.

it won't assume that the occupants sit in the cold and put on extra woollies

People without central heating tend to heat just one room, and to
a much lower level than central heating does. Even if the fuel is
more expensive and efficiency is much lower, it's still likely to
be cheaper than using central heating to heat the whole house.

--
Andrew Gabriel
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In article o.uk,
"Dave Liquorice" writes:
Also the Green Deal loan is attached to the property so if you sell,
the buyer has on take on the bigger power bills.

What seems much more likely is that such properties will be unsalable,
and the seller will have to pay off the loan to sell the property,
possibly using some part of the sale value of the home at time of sale.

--
Andrew Gabriel
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On Sunday, July 13, 2014 12:47:18 AM UTC+1, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:11:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Not a help at all, any new boiler will have to be up to decent
modern
spec and be installed by an approved installer.
The point is that if it were in the right place it might or might not
result in qualifying for something. If so its not hard to make a flue
hole & screw it to the wall. And a cable.
So pretend there is something? Even the most plank like GD surveyor
is unlikely to fall for that one. I don't think lack of a boiler or
CH system stops one being installed under the schemes,

No-one need fall for anything.

NT

On 12/07/2014 19:17, Dave Liquorice wrote:


Remember the Green Deal is a loan, you pay it back with increased
electricty bills. Watch the Interest rate, a bank loan may well be
cheaper! In theory the savings made offset the bigger bills but TBH
it's a bit of a gamble. If the person doing the GD survey knows his
stuff what they come up with should be fine. But I have sneaky
feeling that a significant number of these "surveyors" just tick the
approximate box in the app on their tablet and follow what it says
with no real understanding of what they are doing or if the results
are as equal in garbage as the data input.

Also the Green Deal loan is attached to the property so if you sell,
the buyer has on take on the bigger power bills.


If they get it wrong, or it turns out that it is more expensive than the
alternatives, then just contact one of the no win no fee firm of
solicitors for a financial services mis-selling claim.

--
mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"tim....." writes:

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
writes:
Friend has finally decided to concede a little to the 20th century and
get gas CH. He's never had heating as far as I can tell. There's also
no
CWI in the cavities, but he does have good loft insulation.

Is this a situation where he can gain anything from the govt
initiatives
on offer? He has a knackered boiler on the scrap pile in the shed if
that's any help.

At the moment, there's a big problem with green deal survey
fraud - you pay up front, and no survey happenes. Beware of this.

I think green deal has to be able to show savings to be usable.
What heating method does friend currently use?
I don't know if it would be usable in the case where there is
no current heating, and hence no saving to be made by adding
heating to a home.

surely if there is "no" heating the process will assume hearting by
standing
electric heaters.

it won't assume that the occupants sit in the cold and put on extra
woollies

People without central heating tend to heat just one room, and to
a much lower level than central heating does. Even if the fuel is
more expensive and efficiency is much lower, it's still likely to
be cheaper than using central heating to heat the whole house.

The green deal calculation doesn't take that into account.

It doesn't look at actual usage, it assume everyone is an average user of
that type of heating (presumably scaled by property size, but even that
isn't certain)

tim

"alan" wrote in message
...
On 12/07/2014 19:17, Dave Liquorice wrote:


Remember the Green Deal is a loan, you pay it back with increased
electricty bills. Watch the Interest rate, a bank loan may well be
cheaper! In theory the savings made offset the bigger bills but TBH
it's a bit of a gamble. If the person doing the GD survey knows his
stuff what they come up with should be fine. But I have sneaky
feeling that a significant number of these "surveyors" just tick the
approximate box in the app on their tablet and follow what it says
with no real understanding of what they are doing or if the results
are as equal in garbage as the data input.

Also the Green Deal loan is attached to the property so if you sell,
the buyer has on take on the bigger power bills.


If they get it wrong, or it turns out that it is more expensive than the
alternatives, then just contact one of the no win no fee firm of
solicitors for a financial services mis-selling claim.

good luck with that :-(

tim

Dave Liquorice wrote:
Also the Green Deal loan is attached to the property so if you sell,
the buyer has on take on the bigger power bills.

You can now pay it off early without penalty:
http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/20...they-listened/

Theo

In article ,
alan writes:
On 12/07/2014 19:17, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Remember the Green Deal is a loan, you pay it back with increased
electricty bills. Watch the Interest rate, a bank loan may well be
cheaper! In theory the savings made offset the bigger bills but TBH
it's a bit of a gamble. If the person doing the GD survey knows his
stuff what they come up with should be fine. But I have sneaky
feeling that a significant number of these "surveyors" just tick the
approximate box in the app on their tablet and follow what it says
with no real understanding of what they are doing or if the results
are as equal in garbage as the data input.

Also the Green Deal loan is attached to the property so if you sell,
the buyer has on take on the bigger power bills.

If they get it wrong, or it turns out that it is more expensive than the
alternatives, then just contact one of the no win no fee firm of
solicitors for a financial services mis-selling claim.

Refunds can only be given on the signature of the Minister of State for
Energy. You can't sue as a financial services mis-selling claim - they
have their arses covered by law. There's no way the government would
leave itself liable to something like that.

--
Andrew Gabriel
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On 13/07/14 17:16, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
There's no way the government would
leave itself liable to something like that.

ROFLMAO!


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