Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the country side were given a number and road name signs were generally erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the road since these numbers were allocated ?

In article , fred
wrote:
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number and road name signs were generally
erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the
road since these numbers were allocated ?

here houses weren't numbered sequentially. If no 5 had a big garden next
door might be number 9. We also have a road wheee one house is "minus one"!

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On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:58:02 AM UTC+1, charles wrote:
In article , fred

wrote:

Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the

country side were given a number and road name signs were generally

erected.



So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the

road since these numbers were allocated ?



here houses weren't numbered sequentially. If no 5 had a big garden next

door might be number 9. We also have a road wheee one house is "minus one"!

We used to live in a road in London that had houses numbered 1, 1A, and 1B. However there was no number 13.

Jonathan

fred wrote:
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number and road name signs were generally
erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on
the road since these numbers were allocated ?

The numbers weren't necessarily sequential. You could build quite a few
houses each side of this one before you ran out of numbers.

I quite like the system seen in other countries where houses are
numbered by distance from the end of the road (in metres; odd numbers on
the left).

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

Jonathan wrote:

We used to live in a road in London that had houses numbered 1, 1A, and 1B.

I've seen the occasional house with 1/2 instead of A

fred wrote


Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the country side were given a number and road name signs were generally erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the road since these numbers were allocated ?


Local councils decide house numbering, not the post office. Some roads
have been completely renumbered if a large number of new houses have
been built between old properties.

http://www.medway.gov.uk/roadsandpav...roadnames.aspx

On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 02:53:58 -0700 (PDT)
fred wrote:

Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number

Not here they weren't! All houses in our old streets here have names but
no numbers. Recent builds are numbered, only.

--
Davey.

On 02/10/14 11:57, Jonathan wrote:
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:58:02 AM UTC+1, charles wrote:
In article , fred

wrote:

Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the

country side were given a number and road name signs were generally

erected.



So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the

road since these numbers were allocated ?



here houses weren't numbered sequentially. If no 5 had a big garden next

door might be number 9. We also have a road wheee one house is "minus one"!

We used to live in a road in London that had houses numbered 1, 1A, and 1B. However there was no number 13.

Jonathan


Probably getting more common now that people will try to carve up every
bit of garden and shove another house on it to sell...

On 02/10/14 12:03, Mike Barnes wrote:
fred wrote:
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number and road name signs were generally
erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on
the road since these numbers were allocated ?

The numbers weren't necessarily sequential. You could build quite a few
houses each side of this one before you ran out of numbers.

I quite like the system seen in other countries where houses are
numbered by distance from the end of the road (in metres; odd numbers on
the left).


Now why didn't we think if that!

Surrey University has floor numbers based on double-fathoms (12 feet)
above sea level.

eg Level 19 is ground level for one building and the typical elevation
around there is around 228 feet.

Not sure who came up with that!

On 02/10/14 12:03, Mike Barnes wrote:
fred wrote:
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number and road name signs were generally
erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on
the road since these numbers were allocated ?

The numbers weren't necessarily sequential. You could build quite a few
houses each side of this one before you ran out of numbers.

I quite like the system seen in other countries where houses are
numbered by distance from the end of the road (in metres; odd numbers on
the left).


Will they ever get house NAMES incorporated into GPS data? Number of
couriers who get lost around here...

Tim Watts wrote:
On 02/10/14 12:03, Mike Barnes wrote:
fred wrote:
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number and road name signs were generally
erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on
the road since these numbers were allocated ?

The numbers weren't necessarily sequential. You could build quite a few
houses each side of this one before you ran out of numbers.

I quite like the system seen in other countries where houses are
numbered by distance from the end of the road (in metres; odd numbers on
the left).


Will they ever get house NAMES incorporated into GPS data? Number of
couriers who get lost around here...

Don't get me started on houses, or even shops, without (visible) numbers...

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On Thursday, 2 October 2014 12:50:41 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:

Will they ever get house NAMES incorporated into GPS data? Number of
couriers who get lost around here...

My Mum's address is fun. No number, no street/road name - just a house name and a village. Fortunately, there's also a town name, so when filling in stupid web forms, one can just put the village name in the field for the road, and the carry.

"fred" wrote in message
...
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number and road name signs were generally
erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the
road since these numbers were allocated ?


If there were only a few houses, built between (for EG) numbers 3 and 5,
they would be known as 3A, 3B, 3C etc*

The postcode would be the same as their neighbours

If there were a cluster of say a dozen houses, they would probably be
allocated a name, XXX Close and numbered as normal


*
I once worked somewhere where new houses had been built like this and they
went all the way up to P

On Thursday, October 2, 2014 1:08:02 PM UTC+1, Phil L wrote:
"fred" wrote in message

...

Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the

country side were given a number and road name signs were generally

erected.



So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the

road since these numbers were allocated ?





If there were only a few houses, built between (for EG) numbers 3 and 5,

they would be known as 3A, 3B, 3C etc*



The postcode would be the same as their neighbours



If there were a cluster of say a dozen houses, they would probably be

allocated a name, XXX Close and numbered as normal





*

I once worked somewhere where new houses had been built like this and they

went all the way up to P

Some of the Georgian Streets in Dublin have the numbers starting at one end, 1.2.3 etc and when the get to the end of the street they cross over and come back up the other way.

And I just wish all houses showed their numbers clearly.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 02:53:58 -0700, fred wrote:

Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number and road name signs were generally
erected.

Ain't no road name signs around these parts, and I'm not aware of our
house having a number.

Our official full postal address, as seen on all the postcode lookups and
RM's own postcode site, is...
House name
Village name
Slightly bigger next village
County
Postcode.

fred wrote



Some of the Georgian Streets in Dublin have the numbers starting at one end, 1.2.3 etc and when the get to the end of the street they cross over and come back up the other way.

Like Tottenham Court Road


And I just wish all houses showed their numbers clearly.


You a cabby ?

Adrian wrote:

Our official full postal address, as seen on all the postcode lookups and
RM's own postcode site, is...
House name
Village name
Slightly bigger next village
County
Postcode.

I thought county was no longer part of the address, according to RM?

for any postcode I sling at

http://royalmail.com/find-a-postcode

it doesn't return a county.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:31:23 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Our official full postal address, as seen on all the postcode lookups
and RM's own postcode site, is...
House name Village name Slightly bigger next village County Postcode.

I thought county was no longer part of the address, according to RM?

for any postcode I sling at

http://royalmail.com/find-a-postcode

it doesn't return a county.

Sorry, you're right.

Instead of the county, it's the name of the city (from which the county
takes its name) 20 miles away. So just a "shire" different...

Adrian wrote:

Instead of the county, it's the name of the city (from which the county
takes its name) 20 miles away. So just a "shire" different...

Postal Town, I think they call them ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...United_Kingdom

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:43:19 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Instead of the county, it's the name of the city (from which the county
takes its name) 20 miles away. So just a "shire" different...

Postal Town, I think they call them ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...United_Kingdom

Our nearest of which (same postcode two letters) is one of our two
nearest towns, less than five miles away. But I don't believe Royal Mail
let such fripperies interfere with their logic...

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:43:19 +0100
Andy Burns wrote:

Adrian wrote:

Instead of the county, it's the name of the city (from which the
county takes its name) 20 miles away. So just a "shire" different...

Postal Town, I think they call them ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...United_Kingdom


I live in Suffolk, with my Post Code based on Ipswich, but my Post Town
is in Norfolk. So some of Norfolk appears to be in Suffolk.
What logic?

--
Davey.

fred wrote:
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the country side were given a number and road name signs were generally erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the road since these numbers were allocated ?

They usually leave gaps in the numbers where there's gaps in the houses.
Our neighbour is 29; we are 43.

Bill

fred wrote:

Some of the Georgian Streets in Dublin have the numbers starting at one end, 1.2.3 etc and when the

get to the end of the street they cross over and come back up the other
way.

That's quite common.

Bill

Davey wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:43:19 +0100
Andy Burns wrote:

Adrian wrote:

Instead of the county, it's the name of the city (from which the
county takes its name) 20 miles away. So just a "shire" different...

Postal Town, I think they call them ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...United_Kingdom


I live in Suffolk, with my Post Code based on Ipswich, but my Post Town
is in Norfolk. So some of Norfolk appears to be in Suffolk.
What logic?

I used to live in Staffordshire. The post town was Buxton (Derbyshire),
and the postcode was SK (Stockport, Cheshire). I had no house number
that I was aware of. The council put up a road name but it wasn't the
name everyone knew the road as.

You're right, what logic?

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

charles wrote:
In article , fred
wrote:
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number and road name signs were generally
erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the
road since these numbers were allocated ?

here houses weren't numbered sequentially. If no 5 had a big garden next
door might be number 9. We also have a road wheee one house is "minus one"!


When the infamous Poulson built some flats in Doncaster the flats were
numbered by the number of paces each door was from the stairs. It was
very odd. The numbers on Level B would go something like B12, B21, B30,
B44, B53, B62, etc. The flats were later renumbered.

Bill

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:58:02 +0100, charles wrote:

In article , fred
wrote:
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number and road name signs were generally
erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the
road since these numbers were allocated ?

here houses weren't numbered sequentially. If no 5 had a big garden next
door might be number 9. We also have a road wheee one house is "minus one"!

Here they go from 59 to 67, just in casr the "Permanent Way" ain't.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 04:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Martin Bonner wrote:

On Thursday, 2 October 2014 12:50:41 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:

Will they ever get house NAMES incorporated into GPS data? Number of
couriers who get lost around here...

My Mum's address is fun. No number, no street/road name - just a house name and a village. Fortunately, there's also a town name, so when filling in stupid web forms, one can just put the village name in the field for the road, and the carry.

Mate' house in France is like that but, using Google Earth, the name of the
house and country shows the house immediately.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 02/10/14 13:31, Andy Burns wrote:
Adrian wrote:

Our official full postal address, as seen on all the postcode lookups and
RM's own postcode site, is...
House name
Village name
Slightly bigger next village
County
Postcode.

I thought county was no longer part of the address, according to RM?

for any postcode I sling at

http://royalmail.com/find-a-postcode

it doesn't return a county.


Technically all you need is

house name/number
postcode

But it's nice to have the rest - especially if the postcode is wrong or
misread...

On 02/10/14 12:54, Mike Barnes wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:
On 02/10/14 12:03, Mike Barnes wrote:
fred wrote:
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number and road name signs were generally
erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on
the road since these numbers were allocated ?

The numbers weren't necessarily sequential. You could build quite a few
houses each side of this one before you ran out of numbers.

I quite like the system seen in other countries where houses are
numbered by distance from the end of the road (in metres; odd numbers on
the left).


Will they ever get house NAMES incorporated into GPS data? Number of
couriers who get lost around here...

Don't get me started on houses, or even shops, without (visible) numbers...


That's is stupid.

The number of times there's a road a mile long and you are trying to
find blah shop at no. X and no other bugger has a number on shopw to
even give you a hint of which way X might be.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 14:22:04 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

fred wrote:
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the country side were given a number and road name signs were generally erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the road since these numbers were allocated ?

They usually leave gaps in the numbers where there's gaps in the houses.
Our neighbour is 29; we are 43.


Who can forget? It must be burned onto our retinas after following
the helpful links you gave in a much earlier posting. :-)
--
J B Good

On Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:14:11 UTC+1, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:43:19 +0100
Andy Burns wrote:

I live in Suffolk, with my Post Code based on Ipswich, but my Post Town
is in Norfolk. So some of Norfolk appears to be in Suffolk.
What logic?

The logic is that the Royal Mail don't organize their deliveries
based on counties - they just deliver letters to you from the most
convenient town where they have a distribution centre. They want the
address to indicate which of these towns they should send the letter
too first. The preferred indication is the postcode, but otherwise
writing the name of the town on the address will do.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 02:53:58 -0700, fred wrote:

Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the
country side were given a number and road name signs were generally
erected.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on
the road since these numbers were allocated ?

Houses built round the corner here. One spare number, four houses. So
they are 9,9A,9B,9C.

Same down another road nearby. Big house demolished, block of terraced
houses replaced it. A,B,C again.



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On 02/10/2014 10:53, fred wrote:
Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the country side were given a number and road name signs were generally erected.

As I recall, the point of post codes was to avoid the problems of not
having street names and/or numbers. By creating a fairly small area for
each post code (nominally based upon receiving 20 letters per day per
code) the letters would end up in the bag of a postie who knew where to
find the property, whatever identification it used.

So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the road since these numbers were allocated ?

Common practice, if there is only one house, is to add a suffix letter
to the number of the lower numbered next door house. However, that is
not always the case. A house I used to own was No 18. Next door was a
row of cottages, numbered 1A, 2A and 3A, all of which were a long way
away from No 4, the first numbered house on that side of the street.

The cottages were probably late Victorian and had been numbered that way
when built. They were re-numbered 19-21 about a decade ago, there being
no properties with a prior claim to those numbers.

These days, they would probably have called the block something cute or
folksy cottages and numbered them 1-3 something cute or folksy cottages

--
Colin Bignell

On 02/10/2014 12:44, Tim Watts wrote:
....
Probably getting more common now that people will try to carve up every
bit of garden and shove another house on it to sell...

Something that was made a lot more difficult a few years ago, by a
change to the planning laws. At the time I got a lot of letters from
builders anxious to buy half my garden before the change came into effect.

--
Colin Bignell

On 02/10/2014 12:03, Mike Barnes wrote:
....
I quite like the system seen in other countries where houses are
numbered by distance from the end of the road (in metres; odd numbers on
the left).


I had that in France and found it quite confusing.

--
Colin Bignell

On 02/10/14 16:17, Nightjar "cpb"@ insert my surname here wrote:
On 02/10/2014 12:44, Tim Watts wrote:
...
Probably getting more common now that people will try to carve up every
bit of garden and shove another house on it to sell...

Something that was made a lot more difficult a few years ago, by a
change to the planning laws. At the time I got a lot of letters from
builders anxious to buy half my garden before the change came into effect.


They still manage it around here - but it does to and fro *a lot* to
Planning before it's given permission.

On Thursday, 2 October 2014 13:19:26 UTC+1, fred wrote:
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 1:08:02 PM UTC+1, Phil L wrote:

"fred" wrote in message



...



Just curious but when post codes were first introduced houses in the



country side were given a number and road name signs were generally



erected.







So how do they number new houses built in between existing houses on the



road since these numbers were allocated ?











If there were only a few houses, built between (for EG) numbers 3 and 5,



they would be known as 3A, 3B, 3C etc*







The postcode would be the same as their neighbours







If there were a cluster of say a dozen houses, they would probably be



allocated a name, XXX Close and numbered as normal











*



I once worked somewhere where new houses had been built like this and they



went all the way up to P



Some of the Georgian Streets in Dublin have the numbers starting at one end, 1.2.3 etc and when the get to the end of the street they cross over and come back up the other way.



And I just wish all houses showed their numbers clearly.

And road/streets in London should have their name on them and shops should also but have numbers they tend not to for whatever reason.

Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Huge
wrote:

On 2014-10-02, fred wrote:
And I just wish all houses showed their numbers clearly.
This.

This what?

....would be a very good idea.

Tim

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 16:21:13 +0100, Nightjar \"cpb\"@ wrote:

On 02/10/2014 12:03, Mike Barnes wrote:
...
I quite like the system seen in other countries where houses are
numbered by distance from the end of the road (in metres; odd numbers
on the left).


I had that in France and found it quite confusing.

It's done in North America. The nice thing is that on a long road, you
can predict which bit of it you are going to have to go to in order to
find a particular address.



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On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 07:25:48 -0700, Martin Bonner wrote:

The logic is that the Royal Mail don't organize their deliveries based
on counties - they just deliver letters to you from the most convenient
town where they have a distribution centre.

Not necessarily, since ours is distributed from the post town 20 miles
away rather than the post town five miles away.