Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?

On 24/01/2014 15:50, gareth wrote:
Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



I would suggest that if a Torbeck Valve doesn't shut off because of a
build up of limescale or contamination from grit/rust in your water
system a ball/float would suffer similar problems.

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On 24/01/2014 15:50, gareth wrote:
Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



I would suggest that if a Torbeck Valve doesn't shut off because of a
build up of limescale or contamination from grit/rust in your water system
a ball/float would suffer similar problems.


Maybe, but there are greater shuttinf off forces in a ball valve, and it is
a good deal easier to understand and to deal with.

On 24/01/2014 16:12, alan wrote:
On 24/01/2014 15:50, gareth wrote:
Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



I would suggest that if a Torbeck Valve doesn't shut off because of a
build up of limescale or contamination from grit/rust in your water
system a ball/float would suffer similar problems.


Not necessarily. Torbeck valve are extremely susceptible to tiny bits
of muck stopping them working. Old fashioned ball valves are pretty
much bomb proof.

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On 24/01/2014 16:12, alan wrote:
On 24/01/2014 15:50, gareth wrote:
Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



I would suggest that if a Torbeck Valve doesn't shut off because of a
build up of limescale or contamination from grit/rust in your water
system a ball/float would suffer similar problems.


Not necessarily. Torbeck valve are extremely susceptible to tiny bits of
muck stopping them working. Old fashioned ball valves are pretty much
bomb proof.


The downstairs bog has a ball valve and hasn't given any rouble for years.

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The downstairs bog has a ball valve and hasn't given any rouble for years.


Oops! Neither trouble nor Russian currency!

Yes agreed. Why reinvent the wheel and make it square?

Brian

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On 24/01/2014 16:12, alan wrote:
On 24/01/2014 15:50, gareth wrote:
Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



I would suggest that if a Torbeck Valve doesn't shut off because of a
build up of limescale or contamination from grit/rust in your water
system a ball/float would suffer similar problems.


Not necessarily. Torbeck valve are extremely susceptible to tiny bits of
muck stopping them working. Old fashioned ball valves are pretty much
bomb proof.

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On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 05:33:07 -0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

Yes agreed. Why reinvent the wheel and make it square?

Brian

make it triangular - fewer bumps.
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On 24/01/2014 15:50, gareth wrote:
Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



I have SIAMP valves in my toilets.

Due to their design, when the washer fails, they don't appear to
actually overflow, they just take days to fill instead......

Its very annoying when the second person can't flush so soon after the
first person has flushed....

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:47:14 +0000, Stephen wrote:

On 24/01/2014 15:50, gareth wrote:
Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



I have SIAMP valves in my toilets.

Due to their design, when the washer fails, they don't appear to
actually overflow, they just take days to fill instead......

When next doors failed it was open very slightly - just enough to notice.
With the overflow being internal it can be difficult to see, although a
piece of tissue against the back of the pan (an hour or so after flushing,
to let it dry) is a simple test.

Its very annoying when the second person can't flush so soon after the
first person has flushed....

Mine fills in about a minute - not soon enough for a pee, but that's not too
important.
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"gareth" wrote in message
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Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



They fail to shut off because a particle of lime has lodged in one of the
two tiny holes in the diaphragm.
So strip down and clean.
There should be a filter to prevent this which needs regular cleaning.

And/or get a water softener.

On 24/01/2014 18:04, harryagain wrote:
"gareth" wrote in message
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Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



They fail to shut off because a particle of lime has lodged in one of the
two tiny holes in the diaphragm.
So strip down and clean.
There should be a filter to prevent this which needs regular cleaning.



And what householder is going to shut off the supply, disconnect the
inlet, remove the filter, clean it, replace it & reconnect?

It ain't gonna happen in the real world.

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"gareth" wrote in message
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Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



They fail to shut off because a particle of lime has lodged in one of the
two tiny holes in the diaphragm.
So strip down and clean.
There should be a filter to prevent this which needs regular cleaning.


Yes, a regular soaking in white vinegar together with a dress maker's pin to
poke through the holes.

But there's only one tiny hole in the diaphragm, the other tiny hole is open
or shut by the float mechanism.

The whole thing is reminiscent of the SU carburettor

On 24/01/2014 19:01, gareth wrote:
"harryagain" wrote in message
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"gareth" wrote in message
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Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



They fail to shut off because a particle of lime has lodged in one of the
two tiny holes in the diaphragm.
So strip down and clean.
There should be a filter to prevent this which needs regular cleaning.


Yes, a regular soaking in white vinegar together with a dress maker's pin to
poke through the holes.

But there's only one tiny hole in the diaphragm, the other tiny hole is open
or shut by the float mechanism.

The whole thing is reminiscent of the SU carburettor


Vastly over complicated. There were nothing wrong with good old ball valve!

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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:00:31 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Vastly over complicated.

Not that much more complicated than a ball valve. I've not had any
problems with any torbeck valve, ball valves on the other hand, grit
in the nozzle, worn out washers, lime scaled up, ...

There were nothing wrong with good old ball valve!

Apart from the noise and slow filling.

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On 24/01/2014 19:01, gareth wrote:
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"gareth" wrote in message
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Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by these
when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



They fail to shut off because a particle of lime has lodged in one of
the
two tiny holes in the diaphragm.
So strip down and clean.
There should be a filter to prevent this which needs regular cleaning.


Yes, a regular soaking in white vinegar together with a dress maker's pin
to
poke through the holes.

But there's only one tiny hole in the diaphragm, the other tiny hole is
open
or shut by the float mechanism.

The whole thing is reminiscent of the SU carburettor


Vastly over complicated. There were nothing wrong with good old ball
valve!


True. Also won't work at low pressures.
The other stupid object is those continental "flapper valves". Whic are not
"fail safe".

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On 24/01/2014 19:01, gareth wrote:
"harryagain" wrote in message
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"gareth" wrote in message
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Is there any long-term solution to the regular trouble given by
these when they won't shut off; maybe by replacement with the
traditional ball valve and float?



They fail to shut off because a particle of lime has lodged in one
of the two tiny holes in the diaphragm.
So strip down and clean.
There should be a filter to prevent this which needs regular
cleaning.


Yes, a regular soaking in white vinegar together with a dress maker's
pin to poke through the holes.

But there's only one tiny hole in the diaphragm, the other tiny hole
is open or shut by the float mechanism.

The whole thing is reminiscent of the SU carburettor


Vastly over complicated. There were nothing wrong with good old ball
valve!


+1.
The old ball valves and syphons were standard, robust and simple. We now
have loads of foreign made devices with no standard operating method.
We are doomed Mr Mannering!


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On 25/01/2014 22:34, DerbyBorn wrote:

The old ball valves and syphons were standard, robust and simple.

Quality ball cock valves disappeared from the sheds many years ago to be
replaced with shoddily manufactured items.

I've had fewer problems with Torbeck (type) valves that I've had with
the older ball cock type valves.



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