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I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?...tor&sort=price NT |
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On Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:01:00 PM UTC, Graham. wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:52:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?...tor&sort=price Round pins never went away. The items linked to sure did NT |
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Lobster wrote: grunted in : On Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:01:00 PM UTC, Graham. wrote: On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:52:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?...or&qid=1385850 665&rh=n%3A79903031%2Ck%3Abulb+adaptor&sort=pri ce Round pins never went away. The items linked to sure did What are we meant to be looking at, specifically? You linked to precisely 118 miscellaneous "bulb adapters" on Amazon Here's a better link, at John Lewis. I stumbled across this the other day when looking for something else. **WHY** are round pins being re-introduced? I simply do not understand it. I thought they were phased out in the 70s for safety reasons (i.e. back when, if something was declared "unsafe", it really feckin' WAS unsafe!). John |
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Another John wrote:
Lobster wrote: grunted in Graham. wrote: wrote: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?...or&qid=1385850 665&rh=n%3A79903031%2Ck%3Abulb+adaptor&sort=price Round pins never went away. The items linked to sure did What are we meant to be looking at, specifically? **WHY** are round pins being re-introduced? I simply do not understand it. I thought they were phased out in the 70s for safety reasons No, see above, they never went away. The 2 amp round 3-pin are sometimes (I hesitate to say often) used for dedicated lighting outlets, and the larger ones for theatre lighting, my grandparents' bungalow remained round-pin until they died. |
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Another John wrote: Here's a better link, [omitted - eedjit, John] Here : http://www.johnlewis.com/3-round-pin...amp/p231577942 Andy Burns wrote: No, see above, they never went away. The 2 amp round 3-pin are sometimes (I hesitate to say often) used for dedicated lighting outlets, and the larger ones for theatre lighting, my grandparents' bungalow remained round-pin until they died. Well I have NEVER seen round pins, anywhere, since the early 80s when the last ones were disappearing. Except for in our local pub, buried in the countryside, which has not had a makeover (thank god) since ... the 60s? 50s? J. |
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Another John wrote: In article , Lobster wrote: grunted in : On Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:01:00 PM UTC, Graham. wrote: On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:52:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?...or&qid=1385850 665&rh=n%3A79903031%2Ck%3Abulb+adaptor&sort=pri ce Round pins never went away. The items linked to sure did What are we meant to be looking at, specifically? You linked to precisely 118 miscellaneous "bulb adapters" on Amazon Here's a better link, at John Lewis. I stumbled across this the other day when looking for something else. **WHY** are round pins being re-introduced? I simply do not understand it. I thought they were phased out in the 70s for safety reasons (i.e. back when, if something was declared "unsafe", it really feckin' WAS unsafe!). Nothing to do with safety. The Ring Mail circuit which used fused plugs was introduced because of a copper shortage. Round pins are still used in the UK in theatres which are very safety concious places. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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writes I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?...qid=1385850665 &rh=n%3A79903031%2Ck%3Abulb+adaptor&sort=price NT --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.amazon.co.uk/Socket-Conve...dison/dp/B007X SY1AC/ref=sr_1_5?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1386278664&sr=1-5&keywords=bulb+adapto r Depending on which way you plug it in the threaded part could be live if the light was powered on. Somehow it doesn't seem particularly safe. -- Bill --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:28:40 PM UTC, Bill wrote:
In message , writes I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?...qid=1385850665 &rh=n%3A79903031%2Ck%3Abulb+adaptor&sort=price NT --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.amazon.co.uk/Socket-Conve...dison/dp/B007X SY1AC/ref=sr_1_5?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1386278664&sr=1-5&keywords=bulb+adapto r Depending on which way you plug it in the threaded part could be live if the light was powered on. Somehow it doesn't seem particularly safe. yep. Its ok if the live metal's shrouded. NT |
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writes http://www.amazon.co.uk/Socket-Conve...dison/dp/B007X SY1AC/ref=sr_1_5?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1386278664&sr=1-5&keywords=bulb+adapto r Depending on which way you plug it in the threaded part could be live if the light was powered on. Somehow it doesn't seem particularly safe. yep. Its ok if the live metal's shrouded. NT How does the shrouding work then? The threaded aperture certainly looks big enough to get a finger in, if you fumble while changing a bulb. At least with the more modern 2 pin fittings they were only connected when a bulb was inserted. -- Bill --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:09:22 PM UTC, Bill wrote:
In message , writes http://www.amazon.co.uk/Socket-Conve...dison/dp/B007X SY1AC/ref=sr_1_5?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1386278664&sr=1-5&keywords=bulb+adapto r Depending on which way you plug it in the threaded part could be live if the light was powered on. Somehow it doesn't seem particularly safe. yep. Its ok if the live metal's shrouded. How does the shrouding work then? The threaded aperture certainly looks big enough to get a finger in, if you fumble while changing a bulb. At least with the more modern 2 pin fittings they were only connected when a bulb was inserted. Enough shrounding means the metal outer cap on an ES bulb isnt touchable when screwed in. Of course a finger has access to live metal on an empty holder, same as true with most BC holders. Its not BS, understand what youre buying. NT |
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On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 21:28:40 -0000, Bill wrote:
In message , writes I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?...qid=1385850665 &rh=n%3A79903031%2Ck%3Abulb+adaptor&sort=price NT --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.amazon.co.uk/Socket-Conve...dison/dp/B007X SY1AC/ref=sr_1_5?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1386278664&sr=1-5&keywords=bulb+adapto r Depending on which way you plug it in the threaded part could be live if the light was powered on. Somehow it doesn't seem particularly safe. How often do you swing from your ceiling? -- Thank you velly much. I'm not Wan King the chef, I'm Fu King the owner. |
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On 06/12/2013 15:48, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 21:28:40 -0000, Bill wrote: In message , writes I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?...qid=1385850665 &rh=n%3A79903031%2Ck%3Abulb+adaptor&sort=price NT --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.amazon.co.uk/Socket-Conve...dison/dp/B007X SY1AC/ref=sr_1_5?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1386278664&sr=1-5&keywords=bulb+adapto r Depending on which way you plug it in the threaded part could be live if the light was powered on. Somehow it doesn't seem particularly safe. How often do you swing from your ceiling? The most likely time to get your finger into a light fitting/connector is when reaching up and replacing the bulb in the dark. It is exactly the sort of thing that many people are quite likely to do. SteveW |
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 18:26:59 -0000, SteveW wrote:
On 06/12/2013 15:48, Gefreiter Krueger wrote: On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 21:28:40 -0000, Bill wrote: In message , writes I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?...qid=1385850665 &rh=n%3A79903031%2Ck%3Abulb+adaptor&sort=price NT --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com http://www.amazon.co.uk/Socket-Conve...dison/dp/B007X SY1AC/ref=sr_1_5?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1386278664&sr=1-5&keywords=bulb+adapto r Depending on which way you plug it in the threaded part could be live if the light was powered on. Somehow it doesn't seem particularly safe. How often do you swing from your ceiling? The most likely time to get your finger into a light fitting/connector is when reaching up and replacing the bulb in the dark. It is exactly the sort of thing that many people are quite likely to do. If you're not confident in it, why not simply switch off the light first? I thought most people did? -- I never would have married you if I knew how stupid you were!" shouted the woman to her husband. The husband replied, "You should've known how stupid I was the minute I asked you to marry me!" |
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On 06/12/2013 18:31, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 18:26:59 -0000, SteveW The most likely time to get your finger into a light fitting/connector is when reaching up and replacing the bulb in the dark. It is exactly the sort of thing that many people are quite likely to do. If you're not confident in it, why not simply switch off the light first? I thought most people did? It's not so easy to be sure if, as the light in my stairwell is, it's controlled by two switches. There's a 50/50 chance that no matter what you do, it'll be live. That's assuming that some bright sparky hasn't accidentally wired the switches in the neutral.... -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:52:59 -0800 (PST), wrote:
I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_st?...tor&sort=price Disappointingly no ready made adaptors to enable the simultaneous connection of an iron and a kettle using BS 546 plugs to a B22 lamp fitting although I suppose I could roll my own using one of these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bayonet-Adap...s=bulb+adaptor -- |
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 10:06:59 +0000, The Other Mike
wrote: Much safer, no trip hazard http://www.1900s.org.uk/1940s-house-ironing.htm I've got an adapter like that, my son was using it only two years ago in his student digs. I should still have it somewhere. I used to use it 50 years ago to use the enlarger and safelight in the cupboard under the stairs (which we called "the pantry") -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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Graham. wrote: On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 10:06:59 +0000, The Other Mike wrote: Much safer, no trip hazard http://www.1900s.org.uk/1940s-house-ironing.htm I've got an adapter like that, my son was using it only two years ago in his student digs. I should still have it somewhere. I used to use it 50 years ago to use the enlarger and safelight in the cupboard under the stairs (which we called "the pantry") did you really keep the bread there? -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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Graham. wrote:
Much safer, no trip hazard http://www.1900s.org.uk/1940s-house-ironing.htm I'm sure I remember one of those which used to appear when my dad got the Christmas lights out. It might even have included a switch for the two outlets. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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My father (born 1916) told be that at one time there was a different meter for lighting (bayonette and 5 amp sockets) and heating (15 Amp) sockets. They were charged at different prices per kWhr. Lighting was more expensive per kWhr. Robert |
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 15:43:33 -0000, RobertL wrote:
My father (born 1916) told be that at one time there was a different meter for lighting (bayonette and 5 amp sockets) and heating (15 Amp) sockets. They were charged at different prices per kWhr. Lighting was more expensive per kWhr. Presumably anyone with any sense rewired or got adaptors. -- I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Uncle Bob. Not screaming in terror like his passengers... |
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RobertL writes: My father (born 1916) told be that at one time there was a different meter for lighting (bayonette and 5 amp sockets) and heating (15 Amp) sockets. They were charged at different prices per kWhr. Lighting was more expensive per kWhr. Early installations were lighting only, and charged by the number of lights. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On Friday, December 6, 2013 10:06:59 AM UTC, The Other Mike wrote:
Disappointingly no ready made adaptors to enable the simultaneous connection of an iron and a kettle using BS 546 plugs to a B22 lamp fitting although I suppose They do actually. Might be a handy way tp use up stocks of 11w CFLs - but where nowadays does one not give a fig about the resulting appearance. NT |
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 10:06:59 +0000, The Other Mike
wrote: Disappointingly no ready made adaptors to enable the simultaneous connection of an iron and a kettle using BS 546 plugs to a B22 lamp fitting although I suppose I could roll my own using one of these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bayonet-Adap...s=bulb+adaptor Nah, you need a y-piece E27 and converters at each end. |
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On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 19:54:52 +0000, Mike Tomlinson
wrote: En el artículo , escribió: I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there That GU10 to MR16 adapter doesn't look like a brilliant idea, given that GU10 is 240V and MR16 is 12V. Perhaps no one will notice until the quarterly sales figures come out. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On 06/12/2013 19:54, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , escribió: I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there That GU10 to MR16 adapter doesn't look like a brilliant idea, given that GU10 is 240V and MR16 is 12V. I pointed that out earlier in the thread.... |
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On 06/12/2013 19:54, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , escribió: I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there That GU10 to MR16 adapter doesn't look like a brilliant idea, given that GU10 is 240V and MR16 is 12V. Plenty of MR16 230V lamps for sale out there. I wonder if that is correct or is it that the connection is the same, but they should be referred to as something else? SteveW |
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SteveW writes: On 06/12/2013 19:54, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artículo , escribió: I'm happy to say. But no BS approval, you're on your own there That GU10 to MR16 adapter doesn't look like a brilliant idea, given that GU10 is 240V and MR16 is 12V. Plenty of MR16 230V lamps for sale out there. I wonder if that is correct or is it that the connection is the same, but they should be referred to as something else? MR16 doesn't describe the lamp base - that's really GU 5.3 on MR16's. GU 5.3 (and similar GX 5.3, which is what most of the lampholders are) have a max voltage of 50V. There are some other 5.3mm pin bases which are rated up to 120V. I think you have to go up to 6.35mm pin bases before you find 240V ratings. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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