My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes off
to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and always I
have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left everything on.
If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got home around 4pm. So
here comes the list of electrical items left on; can you give me a rough
idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)
BT Vision box
BT home hub router
Xbox 360
electric blanket.

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:10:14 +0000, Thumper wrote:

My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)
BT Vision box
BT home hub router
Xbox 360
electric blanket.

At a rough guess, and assuming he's not actually leaving the electric
blanket on - because that WOULD be mind-bendingly stupid - then somewhere
in the region of bollock-all. A handful of pennies per day.

A quick google suggests the TV's probably about 1w in standby, the BT
vision box about 25w, the router about 9w (and powering it off will
prevent it optimising the broadband speed), and the XBox 2.5w in standby.

So, together, less than 40w. So 1kWh/day. Probably about 10-15p per day,
depending on your tariff.

Certainly nowhere near enough to warrant spending a tenner on an energy
monitor so that you can give him the riot act with any credibility.
Consider also the effect on the relationship between you, since you'd be
admitting to snooping around his room as soon as he's out in a morning...

On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)

3W

BT Vision box

With a purple LED (standby mode - able to make scheduled recordings)
about 12W

Red LED (power down state) 1W

BT home hub router

5W

Xbox 360

~2.5W

electric blanket.

0W (unless actually on)


So about 22.5W total. Over 8 hours, 180 Wh, or 1 kWh roughly every 5.5
days. So you are saving about 12p per week.

On the down side, you will balls up any scheduled recordings or
downloads that would have happened, and the frequent cycling of the home
hub may well result in the DSLAM adjusting the BRAS rate down due to
frequent disconnections - so the broadband speed may be lower than it
should.

Don't forget to factor in the wear on the socket that you keep
unplugging from, and you might even fracture a cable if you move them
often enough. (you would be better off just switching off the socket switch)

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John.

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In message , Thumper
writes
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he
goes off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room
and always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has
left everything on.

Plugged in, does not mean on, and despite what the media , some eco
pressure group etc. would have us believe. Most modern kit uses very
little power on standby.

If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got home around
4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can you give
me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)
BT Vision box
BT home hub router
Xbox 360
electric blanket.

As other shave pointed out, not a lot.

Do you really want to be seen as the grumpy/arsey/nosey uncle for a few
pence?
--
Chris French

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:10:14 +0000, Thumper wrote:

My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

A good forty or fifty pee a week I reckon. Well done.

On 21/11/2013 15:22, Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:10:14 +0000, Thumper wrote:

My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)
BT Vision box
BT home hub router
Xbox 360
electric blanket.

At a rough guess, and assuming he's not actually leaving the electric
blanket on - because that WOULD be mind-bendingly stupid - then somewhere
in the region of bollock-all. A handful of pennies per day.

A quick google suggests the TV's probably about 1w in standby, the BT
vision box about 25w, the router about 9w (and powering it off will
prevent it optimising the broadband speed), and the XBox 2.5w in standby.

So, together, less than 40w. So 1kWh/day. Probably about 10-15p per day,
depending on your tariff.

It is possibly worth measuring the TV or looking it up in its manual.

Some older ones have lousy standby characteristics in the 20-30W region
as they power the digital decoder continuously and very inefficiently.
It may be possible to tell it not to do this but the original defaults
on many older sets was to run the decoder so that the TVs SCART output
could be used by old recorders that only had analogue TV decoders.

Certainly nowhere near enough to warrant spending a tenner on an energy
monitor so that you can give him the riot act with any credibility.
Consider also the effect on the relationship between you, since you'd be
admitting to snooping around his room as soon as he's out in a morning...

It might be worth encouraging him to have a smart extension block that
powers down all other peripherals when they are not in use. Even at just
10p/day it pays for itself in about 8 months. YMMV

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

;-)

Jim K

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:10:14 +0000, Thumper wrote:

My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)
BT Vision box
BT home hub router
Xbox 360
electric blanket.

At a rough guess, and assuming he's not actually leaving the electric
blanket on - because that WOULD be mind-bendingly stupid - then somewhere
in the region of bollock-all. A handful of pennies per day.

The electric blanket would've only been on overnight on really cold nights.
So not every night.

A quick google suggests the TV's probably about 1w in standby, the BT
vision box about 25w, the router about 9w (and powering it off will
prevent it optimising the broadband speed), and the XBox 2.5w in standby.

He's on BT Infinity, so the broadband speeds not going to be affected.

So, together, less than 40w. So 1kWh/day. Probably about 10-15p per day,
depending on your tariff.

I've just changed. Was on EDF Blue plus, now with First Utilities fixed
until 2015. Saving £89 per year apparently.

Certainly nowhere near enough to warrant spending a tenner on an energy
monitor so that you can give him the riot act with any credibility.
Consider also the effect on the relationship between you, since you'd be
admitting to snooping around his room as soon as he's out in a morning...

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:10:14 +0000, Thumper wrote:

My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)
BT Vision box
BT home hub router
Xbox 360
electric blanket.

At a rough guess, and assuming he's not actually leaving the electric
blanket on - because that WOULD be mind-bendingly stupid - then somewhere
in the region of bollock-all. A handful of pennies per day.

The electric blanket would've only been on overnight on really cold nights.
So not every night.

A quick google suggests the TV's probably about 1w in standby, the BT
vision box about 25w, the router about 9w (and powering it off will
prevent it optimising the broadband speed), and the XBox 2.5w in standby.

He's on BT Infinity, so the broadband speeds not going to be affected.

So, together, less than 40w. So 1kWh/day. Probably about 10-15p per day,
depending on your tariff.

I've just changed. Was on EDF Blue plus, now with First Utilities fixed
until 2015. Saving £89 per year apparently.

Certainly nowhere near enough to warrant spending a tenner on an energy
monitor so that you can give him the riot act with any credibility.
Consider also the effect on the relationship between you, since you'd be
admitting to snooping around his room as soon as he's out in a morning...

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)

3W

BT Vision box

With a purple LED (standby mode - able to make scheduled recordings) about
12W

Red LED (power down state) 1W

BT home hub router

5W

Xbox 360

~2.5W

electric blanket.

0W (unless actually on)


So about 22.5W total. Over 8 hours, 180 Wh, or 1 kWh roughly every 5.5
days. So you are saving about 12p per week.

On the down side, you will balls up any scheduled recordings or downloads
that would have happened, and the frequent cycling of the home hub may
well result in the DSLAM adjusting the BRAS rate down due to frequent
disconnections - so the broadband speed may be lower than it should.

Don't forget to factor in the wear on the socket that you keep unplugging
from, and you might even fracture a cable if you move them often enough.
(you would be better off just switching off the socket switch)

If there was a switch I'd be using it :-)

On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)
BT Vision box
BT home hub router
Xbox 360
electric blanket.

Is the BT router connected to its own phone line?


--
Michael Chare

"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
On 21/11/2013 15:22, Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:10:14 +0000, Thumper wrote:

My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)
BT Vision box
BT home hub router
Xbox 360
electric blanket.

At a rough guess, and assuming he's not actually leaving the electric
blanket on - because that WOULD be mind-bendingly stupid - then somewhere
in the region of bollock-all. A handful of pennies per day.

A quick google suggests the TV's probably about 1w in standby, the BT
vision box about 25w, the router about 9w (and powering it off will
prevent it optimising the broadband speed), and the XBox 2.5w in standby.

So, together, less than 40w. So 1kWh/day. Probably about 10-15p per day,
depending on your tariff.

It is possibly worth measuring the TV or looking it up in its manual.

Some older ones have lousy standby characteristics in the 20-30W region as
they power the digital decoder continuously and very inefficiently. It may
be possible to tell it not to do this but the original defaults on many
older sets was to run the decoder so that the TVs SCART output could be
used by old recorders that only had analogue TV decoders.

Certainly nowhere near enough to warrant spending a tenner on an energy
monitor so that you can give him the riot act with any credibility.
Consider also the effect on the relationship between you, since you'd be
admitting to snooping around his room as soon as he's out in a morning...

It might be worth encouraging him to have a smart extension block that
powers down all other peripherals when they are not in use. Even at just
10p/day it pays for itself in about 8 months. YMMV

Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Also there is the reduced fire risk to consider.
Many fires are started by damaged flexes.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)

3W

BT Vision box

With a purple LED (standby mode - able to make scheduled recordings) about
12W

Red LED (power down state) 1W

Its a blue light on the BT Vision box.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)

3W

BT Vision box

With a purple LED (standby mode - able to make scheduled recordings) about
12W

Red LED (power down state) 1W

Its a blue light on the BT Vision box.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)

3W

BT Vision box

With a purple LED (standby mode - able to make scheduled recordings) about
12W

Red LED (power down state) 1W

Its a blue light on the BT Vision box.

"Michael Chare" mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorgDOTuk wrote in message
o.uk...
On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)
BT Vision box
BT home hub router
Xbox 360
electric blanket.

Is the BT router connected to its own phone line?

Its connected to the BT phone line.

On 22/11/2013 17:09, Thumper wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)

3W

BT Vision box

With a purple LED (standby mode - able to make scheduled recordings)
about 12W

Red LED (power down state) 1W

Its a blue light on the BT Vision box.

From what I read, they suggest that the LED can be blue which means its
"on" (drawing about 17W producing a video output etc), Purple is the
first level of standby (12W - ready to record etc but no video out), and
Red is the second level of standby being "off" (or very nearly!)


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John.

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)

3W

BT Vision box

With a purple LED (standby mode - able to make scheduled recordings) about
12W

Red LED (power down state) 1W

BT home hub router

5W

Xbox 360

~2.5W

electric blanket.

0W (unless actually on)


So about 22.5W total. Over 8 hours, 180 Wh, or 1 kWh roughly every 5.5
days. So you are saving about 12p per week.

I take it you meant, per day

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)

3W

BT Vision box

With a purple LED (standby mode - able to make scheduled recordings) about
12W

Red LED (power down state) 1W

BT home hub router

5W

Xbox 360

~2.5W

electric blanket.

0W (unless actually on)


So about 22.5W total. Over 8 hours, 180 Wh, or 1 kWh roughly every 5.5
days. So you are saving about 12p per week.

I take it you meant, per day

"harryagain" wrote in message
...


Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Whilst on the subject of saving, He is typical young person that thinks
wearing any item of clothing once is enough for it to need washing. So he
puts a full load in the washing machine at least twice a week.

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which takes 1
hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it on "super
quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that saving me.

On 23/11/13 22:45, Thumper wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)

3W

BT Vision box

With a purple LED (standby mode - able to make scheduled recordings)
about 12W

Red LED (power down state) 1W

BT home hub router

5W

Xbox 360

~2.5W

electric blanket.

0W (unless actually on)


So about 22.5W total. Over 8 hours, 180 Wh, or 1 kWh roughly every 5.5
days. So you are saving about 12p per week.

I take it you meant, per day
I take it you dont do sums?


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 22:57:06 +0000, Thumper wrote:

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which takes
1 hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it on
"super quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that saving
me.

You have the manual for your washing machine. You have the calculations
required.

Get to it.

Or just spend* a tenner on an energy consumption doodah, as was suggested
several days back in this thread.

* - Yes, I know. I'm sorry. I realise that's a swear word to you.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 22:57:06 +0000, Thumper wrote:

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which takes
1 hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it on
"super quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that saving
me.

You have the manual for your washing machine. You have the calculations
required.

Get to it.

If I had a maths degree I would.

Or just spend* a tenner on an energy consumption doodah, as was suggested
several days back in this thread.

* - Yes, I know. I'm sorry. I realise that's a swear word to you.

It's 5 letters so its ok.

On 23/11/2013 22:57, Thumper wrote:

"harryagain" wrote in message
...


Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Whilst on the subject of saving, He is typical young person that thinks
wearing any item of clothing once is enough for it to need washing. So
he puts a full load in the washing machine at least twice a week.

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which takes
1 hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it on
"super quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that saving me.

Depends on how many times he takes something returned as "clean" and
decides it needs washing again ;-)

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John.

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On 23/11/2013 22:45, Thumper wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 21/11/2013 15:10, Thumper wrote:
My nephew is currently living at my house. Every weekday morning he goes
off to work just before 8am and I take a quick look in his room and
always I have to unplug from the wall socket as yet again he has left
everything on. If I didn't check they would've stayed on until he got
home around 4pm. So here comes the list of electrical items left on; can
you give me a rough idea how much I'm saving by turning them off.

40" plasma tv (on standby)

3W

BT Vision box

With a purple LED (standby mode - able to make scheduled recordings)
about 12W

Red LED (power down state) 1W

BT home hub router

5W

Xbox 360

~2.5W

electric blanket.

0W (unless actually on)


So about 22.5W total. Over 8 hours, 180 Wh, or 1 kWh roughly every 5.5
days. So you are saving about 12p per week.

I take it you meant, per day

No, I meant what I said. Take care with the difference between my use of
day as in days elapsed, and others use as in period of 24 hours.

I calculated the load at around 22.5W. If that load is on for an *extra*
8h / day, that it an extra consumption of 180Wh per day. So in the space
of a working week, that will add up to 1 kWh of electricity saved or
about 12p


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John.

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On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:44:22 +0000, John Rumm wrote:

So about 22.5W total. Over 8 hours, 180 Wh, or 1 kWh roughly every 5.5
days. So you are saving about 12p per week.

I take it you meant, per day

No, I meant what I said. Take care with the difference between my use of
day as in days elapsed, and others use as in period of 24 hours.

I calculated the load at around 22.5W. If that load is on for an *extra*
8h / day, that it an extra consumption of 180Wh per day. So in the space
of a working week, that will add up to 1 kWh of electricity saved or
about 12p

It's probably safe to assume that he's similarly leaving it on whilst
asleep - so (for the sake of argument) let's assume a second 8hr period
per day, doubling the total...

"Thumper" wrote in message
...

"harryagain" wrote in message
...


Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Whilst on the subject of saving, He is typical young person that thinks
wearing any item of clothing once is enough for it to need washing. So he
puts a full load in the washing machine at least twice a week.

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which takes 1
hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it on "super
quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that saving me.


Probably very little. Now who gets the say on the use of tumble drier:-)
They gob electricity.

And is this nephew of yours actually paying you anything towards his room?
Not that I have had good results when I have had lodgers - not only the mad
use of the tumble drier on a hot summers day when they could use the washing
line - but generally leaving windows open when they go out (or the front
door unlocked), smoking in the bedroom and just generally being slobs and
leaving the house a tip.

--
Adam

On 25/11/2013 17:55, ARW wrote:
"Thumper" wrote in message
...

"harryagain" wrote in message
...


Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Whilst on the subject of saving, He is typical young person that
thinks wearing any item of clothing once is enough for it to need
washing. So he puts a full load in the washing machine at least twice
a week.

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which
takes 1 hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put
it on "super quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that
saving me.


Probably very little. Now who gets the say on the use of tumble
drier:-) They gob electricity.

And is this nephew of yours actually paying you anything towards his
room? Not that I have had good results when I have had lodgers - not
only the mad use of the tumble drier on a hot summers day when they
could use the washing line - but generally leaving windows open when
they go out (or the front door unlocked), smoking in the bedroom and
just generally being slobs and leaving the house a tip.


Not such a long time ago, I was looking at being a lodger at a place
closer to work, however no one wanted to take anyone so young so that
just left a few student houses to look at. I was very quickly put off
the idea of moving at all after viewing a few of these student
properties; I was viewing them in around May, all of them had the
heating on very high when I went, clothes drying all over the place and
a general stink too.

--
Dawood

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Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Whilst on the subject of saving, He is typical young person that thinks
wearing any item of clothing once is enough for it to need washing. So he
puts a full load in the washing machine at least twice a week.

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which takes
1 hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it on
"super quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that saving
me.


Probably very little. Now who gets the say on the use of tumble drier:-)
They gob electricity.

And is this nephew of yours actually paying you anything towards his room?
Not that I have had good results when I have had lodgers - not only the
mad use of the tumble drier on a hot summers day when they could use the
washing line - but generally leaving windows open when they go out (or the
front door unlocked), smoking in the bedroom and just generally being
slobs and leaving the house a tip.

He gives me £200 each month by standing order, but there have been quite a
few months where he's asked for it back because its left him short. He's
also gone out leaving his window open. Generally niggly thing he does late
at night is go to bed knowing he's really tired but still turns on his tv.
When I go up over an hour later sometimes, he is asleep but tv is still on,
as he has forgot to set the sleep timer. Another time recently I heard the
fan heater on full blast, he was asleep on top of his bed, so I turned
heater off. Then I saw curtains moving, as window was wide open. And tv was
on as usual.

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Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Whilst on the subject of saving, He is typical young person that thinks
wearing any item of clothing once is enough for it to need washing. So he
puts a full load in the washing machine at least twice a week.

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which takes
1 hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it on
"super quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that saving
me.


Probably very little. Now who gets the say on the use of tumble drier:-)
They gob electricity.

And is this nephew of yours actually paying you anything towards his room?
Not that I have had good results when I have had lodgers - not only the
mad use of the tumble drier on a hot summers day when they could use the
washing line - but generally leaving windows open when they go out (or the
front door unlocked), smoking in the bedroom and just generally being
slobs and leaving the house a tip.

He gives me £200 each month by standing order, but there have been quite a
few months where he's asked for it back because its left him short. He's
also gone out leaving his window open. Generally niggly thing he does late
at night is go to bed knowing he's really tired but still turns on his tv.
When I go up over an hour later sometimes, he is asleep but tv is still on,
as he has forgot to set the sleep timer. Another time recently I heard the
fan heater on full blast, he was asleep on top of his bed, so I turned
heater off. Then I saw curtains moving, as window was wide open. And tv was
on as usual.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:22:20 +0000, Thumper wrote:

He gives me £200 each month by standing order, but there have been quite
a few months where he's asked for it back because its left him short.

boggle

I'll have to try that line on the electricity bill, the gas bill, the
council tax, etc etc etc. D'you think it'll work?

As for the rest, sounds like you really DO need to get hold of a power
consumption meter - and start bloody recharging him. Only way he's going
to learn.

On Monday 25 November 2013 23:22 Thumper wrote in uk.d-i-y:


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Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Whilst on the subject of saving, He is typical young person that thinks
wearing any item of clothing once is enough for it to need washing. So
he puts a full load in the washing machine at least twice a week.

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which takes
1 hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it on
"super quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that saving
me.


Probably very little. Now who gets the say on the use of tumble drier:-)
They gob electricity.

And is this nephew of yours actually paying you anything towards his
room? Not that I have had good results when I have had lodgers - not only
the mad use of the tumble drier on a hot summers day when they could use
the washing line - but generally leaving windows open when they go out
(or the front door unlocked), smoking in the bedroom and just generally
being slobs and leaving the house a tip.

He gives me £200 each month by standing order, but there have been quite a
few months where he's asked for it back because its left him short. He's
also gone out leaving his window open. Generally niggly thing he does late
at night is go to bed knowing he's really tired but still turns on his tv.
When I go up over an hour later sometimes, he is asleep but tv is still
on, as he has forgot to set the sleep timer. Another time recently I heard
the fan heater on full blast, he was asleep on top of his bed, so I turned
heater off. Then I saw curtains moving, as window was wide open. And tv
was on as usual.

Then:

1) Take the heater away;

2) Take the TV away;

3) Stop giving him back his £200 - he's not learning anything.

Only when he is reduced to eating porridge with water and not going out at
all do you consider giving him a break!


--
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Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Whilst on the subject of saving, He is typical young person that thinks
wearing any item of clothing once is enough for it to need washing. So
he puts a full load in the washing machine at least twice a week.

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which takes
1 hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it on
"super quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that saving
me.


Probably very little. Now who gets the say on the use of tumble drier:-)
They gob electricity.

And is this nephew of yours actually paying you anything towards his
room? Not that I have had good results when I have had lodgers - not only
the mad use of the tumble drier on a hot summers day when they could use
the washing line - but generally leaving windows open when they go out
(or the front door unlocked), smoking in the bedroom and just generally
being slobs and leaving the house a tip.

He gives me £200 each month by standing order, but there have been quite a
few months where he's asked for it back because its left him short. He's
also gone out leaving his window open. Generally niggly thing he does late
at night is go to bed knowing he's really tired but still turns on his tv.
When I go up over an hour later sometimes, he is asleep but tv is still
on, as he has forgot to set the sleep timer. Another time recently I heard
the fan heater on full blast, he was asleep on top of his bed, so I turned
heater off. Then I saw curtains moving, as window was wide open. And tv
was on as usual.


Are you sharing the same bedroom with him?
--
Adam

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Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Whilst on the subject of saving, He is typical young person that thinks
wearing any item of clothing once is enough for it to need washing. So
he puts a full load in the washing machine at least twice a week.

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which
takes 1 hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it
on "super quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that
saving me.


Probably very little. Now who gets the say on the use of tumble
drier:-) They gob electricity.

And is this nephew of yours actually paying you anything towards his
room? Not that I have had good results when I have had lodgers - not
only the mad use of the tumble drier on a hot summers day when they
could use the washing line - but generally leaving windows open when
they go out (or the front door unlocked), smoking in the bedroom and
just generally being slobs and leaving the house a tip.

He gives me £200 each month by standing order, but there have been quite
a few months where he's asked for it back because its left him short.
He's also gone out leaving his window open. Generally niggly thing he
does late at night is go to bed knowing he's really tired but still turns
on his tv. When I go up over an hour later sometimes, he is asleep but tv
is still on, as he has forgot to set the sleep timer. Another time
recently I heard the fan heater on full blast, he was asleep on top of
his bed, so I turned heater off. Then I saw curtains moving, as window
was wide open. And tv was on as usual.


Are you sharing the same bedroom with him?

No, he has his own room. I only look in on him when I hear something on and
its really late, like 1am.

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Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Whilst on the subject of saving, He is typical young person that thinks
wearing any item of clothing once is enough for it to need washing. So
he puts a full load in the washing machine at least twice a week.

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which
takes 1 hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it
on "super quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that
saving me.


Probably very little. Now who gets the say on the use of tumble
drier:-) They gob electricity.

And is this nephew of yours actually paying you anything towards his
room? Not that I have had good results when I have had lodgers - not
only the mad use of the tumble drier on a hot summers day when they
could use the washing line - but generally leaving windows open when
they go out (or the front door unlocked), smoking in the bedroom and
just generally being slobs and leaving the house a tip.

He gives me £200 each month by standing order, but there have been quite
a few months where he's asked for it back because its left him short.
He's also gone out leaving his window open. Generally niggly thing he
does late at night is go to bed knowing he's really tired but still turns
on his tv. When I go up over an hour later sometimes, he is asleep but tv
is still on, as he has forgot to set the sleep timer. Another time
recently I heard the fan heater on full blast, he was asleep on top of
his bed, so I turned heater off. Then I saw curtains moving, as window
was wide open. And tv was on as usual.


Are you sharing the same bedroom with him?

No, he has his own room. I only look in on him when I hear something on and
its really late, like 1am.

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Even at 10p/day it's worth turning off.
(= £36.50/year)

Whilst on the subject of saving, He is typical young person that thinks
wearing any item of clothing once is enough for it to need washing. So
he puts a full load in the washing machine at least twice a week.

When he operates the machine, he sets it on "mixed load 40^" which
takes 1 hour 10 minutes. If he asks me to do his washing, then I put it
on "super quick wash 30^" which takes 15 minutes. How much is that
saving me.


Probably very little. Now who gets the say on the use of tumble
drier:-) They gob electricity.

And is this nephew of yours actually paying you anything towards his
room? Not that I have had good results when I have had lodgers - not
only the mad use of the tumble drier on a hot summers day when they
could use the washing line - but generally leaving windows open when
they go out (or the front door unlocked), smoking in the bedroom and
just generally being slobs and leaving the house a tip.

He gives me £200 each month by standing order, but there have been quite
a few months where he's asked for it back because its left him short.
He's also gone out leaving his window open. Generally niggly thing he
does late at night is go to bed knowing he's really tired but still turns
on his tv. When I go up over an hour later sometimes, he is asleep but tv
is still on, as he has forgot to set the sleep timer. Another time
recently I heard the fan heater on full blast, he was asleep on top of
his bed, so I turned heater off. Then I saw curtains moving, as window
was wide open. And tv was on as usual.


Are you sharing the same bedroom with him?

No, he has his own room. I only look in on him when I hear something on and
its really late, like 1am.

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On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 23:22:20 +0000, Thumper wrote:

He gives me £200 each month by standing order, but there have been quite
a few months where he's asked for it back because its left him short.

boggle

I'll have to try that line on the electricity bill, the gas bill, the
council tax, etc etc etc. D'you think it'll work?

As for the rest, sounds like you really DO need to get hold of a power
consumption meter - and start bloody recharging him. Only way he's going
to learn.

One thing he does pay for directly from his bank account is the BT phone
bill. Our main landline is VM cable but we also had a BT line on the low
user tariff as hardly any calls made from it. Was only about a fiver per
quarter line rental. As nephew works for BT Openreach he got BT Infinity
broadband for free, and also BT Vision with free BT sports. That was all
good until BT billed us the full rate for line rental and BT Vision for
employees is not free, just discounted. So he now pays that bill monthly.