On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:00:32 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Gefreiter Krueger
writes
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:11:13 -0000, S Viemeister
wrote:

On 11/5/2013 10:12 AM, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter
wrote:n
On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave
wrote:


They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot
it a long way off.

A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a
relative of mine.

Sheep do that sort of thing. A friend had a sheep land on his car, but
both friend and sheep survived (car was a bit dented, though).

I've never seen a sheep jump. Even when it really wants to get over a
fence. If they could all do it, fences would be pointless.

Mind you.... http://youtu.be/EvYHyA3qkFw

Hebrideans are brilliant jumpers.

I think you meant Hebrideans MAKE brilliant jumpers.

--
Is a booby trap only dangerous for women?

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:01:08 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Gefreiter Krueger
writes
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:53:15 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Gefreiter Krueger
writes
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:25:01 -0000, dennis@home
wrote:

On 03/11/2013 18:35, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:




So you think its OK to annoy people by driving past their homes at 90
mph and making several orders of magnitude more noise than at 30 mph.
That just shows how stupid you are.

It gets me to my destination three times quicker, and the noise is made
for a third of the time.

No it doesn't because you will not be able to drive consistently at 90
to maintain that average.

I could if pricks like you would get the **** out of my way.

And farm tractors?

Well yes....

--
Is a booby trap only dangerous for women?

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:12:39 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Apellation
Controlee writes
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:53:36 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:45:11 -0000, Apellation Controlee
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:27:54 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 15:19:07 -0000, ARW
wrote:



Don't they make you sign for the letter?

They go on the principle that the act of posting is proof of delivery.

****wits. Do they think the Royal Mail is infallible?

Apparently. Some years ago I found that a warrant had been issued for
my arrest because I had failed to answer a summons for a traffic
matter.
We had moved house soon after the incident in question occurred but,
although my driving licence and the vehicle reg doc had been updated,
the police were unable to find me when they sprang into action six
months after the event.
The mail redirection arrangement had expired, so communications from
the police went unanswered.
Something you often see in contracts. Notice is deemed to be delivered
on the day after posting by Royal Mail First Class- or similar.

Because the Royal Mail is infallible.

--
Black holes are where god divided by zero.

On 05/11/2013 19:00, bert wrote:
In message , Gefreiter Krueger
writes
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:11:13 -0000, S Viemeister
wrote:

On 11/5/2013 10:12 AM, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, "Gefreiter
wrote:n
On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:47:08 -0000, Dave
wrote:
A sheep would probably cause serious damage,

They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot
it a long way off.

A sheep jumped over a wall onto the bonnet of the car driven by a
relative of mine.

Sheep do that sort of thing. A friend had a sheep land on his car, but
both friend and sheep survived (car was a bit dented, though).

I've never seen a sheep jump. Even when it really wants to get over a
fence. If they could all do it, fences would be pointless.

Mind you.... http://youtu.be/EvYHyA3qkFw

Hebrideans are brilliant jumpers.

Only if you find a good knitter...

--
Rod

Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message o.uk,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:

Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the
lower
limits

How odd. I've never seen a lane with a limit on it,

Can't think of any around here either.

Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all
traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a
30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph.

BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per
normal

BOATS?

Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:08:06 +0000, bert wrote:

Just because you think it shouldn't be that speed limit doesn't mean
there are no good reasons for it to be there.

When the default urban limit hits the 80th anniversary and the default
dual-carriageway limit the 40th anniversary next year, followed by the
the default extra-urban limit the 50th anniversary in 2015 - without
any review at all in that time, despite massively different road
conditions - it's kinda difficult sometimes to agree with that
argument.

ESPECIALLY when so many roads are having politically lowered limits,
apparently shotgun-style.

But the level of traffic has also increased considerably during the
same time.

Which part of "despite massively different road conditions" did you fail
to read?

Which bit of traffic safety don't you understand - oh none of it.

I think you miss my point - which was that you were just repeating
something in the post you were replying to. But that's beside the point.
I understand road safety just fine. I just don't happen to think that a
relatively random number set before _any_ current driver started to drive
is a good definition of it. I happen to prefer it being the
responsibility of me and the people around me.

Yes, traffic levels have risen. But speed limits should be set for clear
roads.

I don't think you've thought that through.

One of us hasn't, that's true.

Traffic levels are one factor that drivers should take into account when
deciding if the speed limit is an appropriate speed to drive at.

Why should I rely on the competence of other drivers for my personal
safety.

Unless the speed limit can be guaranteed to be a safe and appropriate
speed for ALL traffic and weather conditions, then you already _have_ to,
and always have had to.

So... are you suggesting that the speed limit is always safe and
appropriate? Because, if you are, then I invite you to drive past my
front gate at the speed limit. As regularly as you like. So long as you
don't mind me selling tickets.

OTOH, road surfaces have improved (yes, improved) massively. Vehicle
capabilities have improved massively. Road user perceptions and
expectations have improved massively.

Reaction time - and distance travelled within it - is very much the
same.

Is it? Really?

Look at the number of young drivers esp male being involved in fatal
accidents.

I rather suspect that, in the video-game era, that utterly disproves the
relevance of reaction time. B'sides, look at the HC stopping distances,
and what a small part the thinking time/distance is.

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:14:49 +0000, bert wrote:

"10% + a couple" is a safe rule of thumb so I was told many years ago.

Based on a misunderstanding of the regulations covering accuracy of
speedometers.

Based on ACPO prosecution guidelines, actually, but...

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:27:18 -0000, John Williamson wrote:

Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message o.uk,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:


lower


Can't think of any around here either.

Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all
traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a
30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph.

BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per
normal

BOATS?

Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread.

Oh, stupid acronym, presumably made up by someone with a warped sense of humour.
I didn't read that post.
I thought you meant: http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads...at-on-road.jpg

--
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On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:14:02 +0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Apellation
Controlee writes
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:21:35 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:04:26 -0000, Apellation Controlee
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:48:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:43:09 -0000, Apellation Controlee
wrote:

----------------8
Apparently. Some years ago I found that a warrant had been issued for
my arrest because I had failed to answer a summons for a traffic
matter.
We had moved house soon after the incident in question occurred but,
although my driving licence and the vehicle reg doc had been updated,
the police were unable to find me when they sprang into action six
months after the event.
The mail redirection arrangement had expired, so communications from
the police went unanswered.

I guess I can understand that. They probably just looked at the
address on file for you when you were originally summoned.

Doesn't quite square with being unable to find me, which was what was
claimed.

Ah well yes. Perhaps they should have checked more thoroughly at that
point. Although why would they think you'd moved?

Not such an uncommon eventuality, I would have thought.
You didn't call one a pleb by any chance?

No, but the episode led to me being interviewed, which turned into me
making a statement, at the conclusion of which, after I had signed it,
I was given the "anything you say" routine.

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:49:15 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote:

On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:14:02 +0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Apellation
Controlee writes
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:21:35 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:04:26 -0000, Apellation Controlee
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:48:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:


----------------8


Doesn't quite square with being unable to find me, which was what was
claimed.

Ah well yes. Perhaps they should have checked more thoroughly at that
point. Although why would they think you'd moved?

Not such an uncommon eventuality, I would have thought.
You didn't call one a pleb by any chance?

No, but the episode led to me being interviewed, which turned into me
making a statement, at the conclusion of which, after I had signed it,
I was given the "anything you say" routine.

What happens if you say "****" after that is read out?

--
Drugs lead nowhere, but it's the scenic route.

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:46:03 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:39:37 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote:

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:26:45 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:

----------------8
Ridiculous.

But not as much as your signatures.

I've got 1139 of them.

Oh **** ...

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:54:00 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote:

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:46:03 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:39:37 -0000, Apellation Controlee wrote:

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:26:45 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:

----------------8
Ridiculous.

But not as much as your signatures.

I've got 1139 of them.

Oh **** ...

MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

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On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:56:27 +0000, bert wrote:

Sadly... It's crazy that you can pass your test at 17 and not have
any further formal training/education until 70.

For standard car licence there's no retraining at 70.

This is true. I thought you had to get a note from your GP to say you
are still fit enough to drive but you don't even have to do that!
It's effectively "self certify". Bonkers.


--
Cheers
Dave.

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:

I've driven along the narrow roads near Glendoll on many occasions, and
at dusk there are tonnes of rabbits. I've braked hard and avoided every
single one, but only because of ABS.

Don't give a f about rabbits or pheasants, far to many of the
blooming things. The rabbits seem to be fairly road wise, they'll
normally run along the edge then dart into the side. You do get the
occasional suicidal one playing chicken from the other side splat.
Pheasants are just stupid, you'll see one 1/4 a mile away starting to
slowly cross, at 200 yds it's in the middle of your lane, at 25 yds
it's almost fully across the road, it then sees you bowling down at
60 mph and runs back across splat.

The stupid things still just sit staring at me until I turn off the
headlights.

Hares do that, they get completely disorientated by headlights.

Hehehe, my friend's (when I were a lad at school) mum crashed her car
into a ditch to avoid a pheasant, which I thought was rather odd, as her
husband regularly went out shooting pheasants.

There is a bit of road near hear that is almost running alive with
pheasants. If you don't count the best part of a dozen road kills in
just over a mile there is something wrong. Yes, there is a shoot in
that area.

They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a
long way off.

There is nothing that says that the fields are seperated from the
roads by a wall or fence, many bits around here aren't. And you can't
see round corners either. Fortunately sheep are generally more
interested in the grass verges than the tarmac, unless it's starting
to get cold after a bright sunny day. In which case they will lie
down on the nice warm tarmac and be very reluctant to move.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article ,
Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message o.uk,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:

Here, it's the countryside - narrow lanes, etc, - that have the
lower
limits

How odd. I've never seen a lane with a limit on it,

Can't think of any around here either.

Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all
traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a
30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph.

BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per
normal

BOATS?

Byways Open To All Traffic

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:15:28 +0000, bert wrote:

Unless you're in North Wales, where the rule is allegedly "+1".

And you can delete the "allegedly"

Brunstrom left four years ago.

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 21:17:38 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:42 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:

I've driven along the narrow roads near Glendoll on many occasions, and
at dusk there are tonnes of rabbits. I've braked hard and avoided every
single one, but only because of ABS.

Don't give a f about rabbits or pheasants, far to many of the
blooming things. The rabbits seem to be fairly road wise, they'll
normally run along the edge then dart into the side. You do get the
occasional suicidal one playing chicken from the other side splat.
Pheasants are just stupid, you'll see one 1/4 a mile away starting to
slowly cross, at 200 yds it's in the middle of your lane, at 25 yds
it's almost fully across the road, it then sees you bowling down at
60 mph and runs back across splat.

Even if you don't care about them, what about your car? I had to buy a new reg plate when I didn't bother stopping for a cat. It did look funny in my rearview mirror though, spinning round on its side.

The stupid things still just sit staring at me until I turn off the
headlights.

Hares do that, they get completely disorientated by headlights.

I guess if someone shone a bright torch in your face you wouldn't know where you were. But if you knew there was a car coming, you'd at least pick a direction and leg it.

Hehehe, my friend's (when I were a lad at school) mum crashed her car
into a ditch to avoid a pheasant, which I thought was rather odd, as her
husband regularly went out shooting pheasants.

There is a bit of road near hear that is almost running alive with
pheasants. If you don't count the best part of a dozen road kills in
just over a mile there is something wrong. Yes, there is a shoot in
that area.

They normally live in fields. If one has escaped, you usually spot it a
long way off.

There is nothing that says that the fields are seperated from the
roads by a wall or fence, many bits around here aren't. And you can't
see round corners either. Fortunately sheep are generally more
interested in the grass verges than the tarmac, unless it's starting
to get cold after a bright sunny day. In which case they will lie
down on the nice warm tarmac and be very reluctant to move.

I can see far enough round corners to stop in time.

--
The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't.

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:56:27 +0000, bert wrote:

Sadly... It's crazy that you can pass your test at 17 and not have
any further formal training/education until 70.

For standard car licence there's no retraining at 70.

This is true. I thought you had to get a note from your GP to say you
are still fit enough to drive but you don't even have to do that!
It's effectively "self certify". Bonkers.


Indeed. It would be much more sensible to increase the age from 70 to 75
and then increase pro rata with retirement age.
--
bert

In message , Gefreiter Krueger
writes
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:27:18 -0000, John Williamson
wrote:

Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message o.uk,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:


lower


Can't think of any around here either.

Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all
traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a
30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph.

BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per
normal

BOATS?

Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread.

Oh, stupid acronym, presumably made up by someone with a warped sense
of humour.
I didn't read that post.
I thought you meant:
http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads...at-on-road.jpg

Very common acronym used on OS maps along with RUPPs
--
bert

In message , Gefreiter Krueger
writes
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:49:15 -0000, Apellation Controlee
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:14:02 +0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Apellation
Controlee writes
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:21:35 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:04:26 -0000, Apellation Controlee
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:48:01 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:


----------------8


Doesn't quite square with being unable to find me, which was what was
claimed.

Ah well yes. Perhaps they should have checked more thoroughly at that
point. Although why would they think you'd moved?

Not such an uncommon eventuality, I would have thought.
You didn't call one a pleb by any chance?

No, but the episode led to me being interviewed, which turned into me
making a statement, at the conclusion of which, after I had signed it,
I was given the "anything you say" routine.

What happens if you say "****" after that is read out?

Or "knickers"
--
bert

On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 21:10:23 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Gefreiter Krueger
writes
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:27:18 -0000, John Williamson
wrote:

Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Tim Lamb
writes





BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per
normal

BOATS?

Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread.

Oh, stupid acronym, presumably made up by someone with a warped sense
of humour.
I didn't read that post.
I thought you meant:
http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads...at-on-road.jpg

Very common acronym used on OS maps along with RUPPs

Never seen those. Just colour coded roads with whole words describing them in the key at the side.

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bert wrote:
In message , Gefreiter Krueger
writes
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:27:18 -0000, John Williamson
wrote:

Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message o.uk,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:05:34 -0000, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:


lower


Can't think of any around here either.

Umm.. curious situation here. Lane becoming a *Byway open to all
traffic* linking between two B classified roads. One end is inside a
30mph limit the other (Byway) outside ie 60mph.

BOATS and vehicles using them are subject to all rules and regs as per
normal

BOATS?

Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread.

Oh, stupid acronym, presumably made up by someone with a warped sense
of humour.
I didn't read that post.
I thought you meant:
http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads...at-on-road.jpg

Very common acronym used on OS maps along with RUPPs

As the lootenant claims to live North of the border, he may not have
seen the signs, or seen the designation on a map, as there is no
requirement to put signs up telling you there's a right of way in Scotland.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 21:17:51 -0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Gefreiter Krueger
writes
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:49:15 -0000, Apellation Controlee
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:14:02 +0000, bert ] wrote:

In message , Apellation
Controlee writes
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:21:35 -0000, "Gefreiter Krueger"
wrote:







Not such an uncommon eventuality, I would have thought.
You didn't call one a pleb by any chance?

No, but the episode led to me being interviewed, which turned into me
making a statement, at the conclusion of which, after I had signed it,
I was given the "anything you say" routine.

What happens if you say "****" after that is read out?

Or "knickers"

Several adjectives describing the knickers in detail would make for an amusing court session.

--
It's always funny, until someone gets hurt...
then it's just hilarious.

On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 21:24:41 -0000, John Williamson wrote:

bert wrote:
In message , Gefreiter Krueger
writes
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:27:18 -0000, John Williamson
wrote:

Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:11:35 -0000, bert ] wrote:







BOATS?

Byways Open to All Traffic, as stated in an earlier post in the thread.

Oh, stupid acronym, presumably made up by someone with a warped sense
of humour.
I didn't read that post.
I thought you meant:
http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads...at-on-road.jpg

Very common acronym used on OS maps along with RUPPs

As the lootenant claims to live North of the border, he may not have
seen the signs, or seen the designation on a map, as there is no
requirement to put signs up telling you there's a right of way in Scotland.

We're more civilised than you lot.

--
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On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:24:44 +0000, Adrian wrote:

I rather suspect attendance on an SAC would only reinforce my long-
standing belief in the need for regular re-testing of all drivers...

Oh, good! I am happy to report that I'll get to find out soon... mutter

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:24:44 +0000, Adrian wrote:

I rather suspect attendance on an SAC would only reinforce my long-
standing belief in the need for regular re-testing of all drivers...

Oh, good! I am happy to report that I'll get to find out soon... mutter


You have the NIP or have you just been filmed:-).

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On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 11:48:40 +0000, ARW wrote:

I rather suspect attendance on an SAC would only reinforce my long-
standing belief in the need for regular re-testing of all drivers...

Oh, good! I am happy to report that I'll get to find out soon...
mutter

You have the NIP or have you just been filmed:-).

The very friendly Dayglo-clad man hidden in a hedge told me, once he'd
put his hairdryer down.

On 05/11/2013 19:31, Adrian wrote:
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:08:06 +0000, bert wrote:

Just because you think it shouldn't be that speed limit doesn't mean
there are no good reasons for it to be there.

When the default urban limit hits the 80th anniversary and the default
dual-carriageway limit the 40th anniversary next year, followed by the
the default extra-urban limit the 50th anniversary in 2015 - without
any review at all in that time, despite massively different road
conditions - it's kinda difficult sometimes to agree with that
argument.

ESPECIALLY when so many roads are having politically lowered limits,
apparently shotgun-style.

But the level of traffic has also increased considerably during the
same time.

Which part of "despite massively different road conditions" did you fail
to read?

Which bit of traffic safety don't you understand - oh none of it.

I think you miss my point - which was that you were just repeating
something in the post you were replying to. But that's beside the point.
I understand road safety just fine. I just don't happen to think that a
relatively random number set before _any_ current driver started to drive
is a good definition of it. I happen to prefer it being the
responsibility of me and the people around me.

Yes, traffic levels have risen. But speed limits should be set for clear
roads.

I don't think you've thought that through.

One of us hasn't, that's true.

Traffic levels are one factor that drivers should take into account when
deciding if the speed limit is an appropriate speed to drive at.

Why should I rely on the competence of other drivers for my personal
safety.

Unless the speed limit can be guaranteed to be a safe and appropriate
speed for ALL traffic and weather conditions, then you already _have_ to,
and always have had to.

So... are you suggesting that the speed limit is always safe and
appropriate? Because, if you are, then I invite you to drive past my
front gate at the speed limit. As regularly as you like. So long as you
don't mind me selling tickets.

OTOH, road surfaces have improved (yes, improved) massively. Vehicle
capabilities have improved massively. Road user perceptions and
expectations have improved massively.

Reaction time - and distance travelled within it - is very much the
same.

Is it? Really?

Look at the number of young drivers esp male being involved in fatal
accidents.

I rather suspect that, in the video-game era, that utterly disproves the
relevance of reaction time. B'sides, look at the HC stopping distances,
and what a small part the thinking time/distance is.

Didn't Top Gear do a test many years ago where they showed that a
Landrover Discovery took longer than the HC stopping distance to stop
from 70 mph and a Porsche 911 took half the official distance, yet we
set the same speed limit for both. Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now)
ton trucks to travel at 56, knowing they haven't a hope in hell of
matching a car's stopping distance.

SteveW

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote:

Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56,
knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping
distance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY

On 05/11/2013 18:01, bert wrote:

Like the idiots around here who ignore them on level crossings.

But is it as a result of poorly though out safety measures?

I've been stuck at a level crossing for five minutes BEFORE any sign of
a train. If this is common is it any wonder why people think they have a
large margin of safety when jumping lights.

Around my way the council have changed all predestrain crossing lights
times to give a pedestrian what seem half an hour to cross the road and
they have introduced left and right filter lights on all cross road etc.

The result is that there are no longer gaps in traffic for people
attempting to cross other than at a official crossing and many drivers
running the red light in order not to be stuck at a junction for a long
period.

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On 03/11/2013 21:29, dennis@home wrote:

Tomtoms let you mark them and share with others.
I just keep marking them even if there isn't one.

Since TT allowed this so many rat-runs have become dead end streets.

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On 03/11/2013 21:40, dennis@home wrote:

People that claim the safe speed is higher than the speed limit assume
they are the only road user and have X-ray vision so they can see
through objects.

The Police around my way seem to have X-ray vision and assume no
pedestrian is deaf or blind.



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On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:12:24 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote:

Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56,
knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping
distance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY

Does anyone remember the signs on the back of trucks: "Caution - Air
Brakes!" ?

On 10/11/2013 20:47, Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:12:24 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote:

Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56,
knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping
distance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY

Does anyone remember the signs on the back of trucks: "Caution - Air
Brakes!" ?

And cars which proudly claimed disc brakes - even "all round"!

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Rod

On 10/11/2013 18:12, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote:

Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56,
knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping
distance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY

Quite impressive. I travel by bus to get to work and the journey
involves a lot of NSL A-roads, I was quite impressed how quickly and
smoothly the buses come to a complete stop when going down hill at full
pelt (56-62mph). The auto box seems to drop down gears as it slows down
to increase the braking effect.

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David

gremlin_95 wrote on Nov 10, 2013:

On 10/11/2013 18:12, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote:

Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56,
knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping
distance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY

Quite impressive. I travel by bus to get to work and the journey
involves a lot of NSL A-roads, I was quite impressed how quickly and
smoothly the buses come to a complete stop when going down hill at full
pelt (56-62mph). The auto box seems to drop down gears as it slows down
to increase the braking effect.


The auto dsg on my Golf does that too. It's very effective for downhill
braking,

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UK North Yorkshire
mike_lane at mac dot com

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:58:11 +0000, gremlin_95
wrote:

On 10/11/2013 18:12, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote:

Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56,
knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping
distance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY

Quite impressive. I travel by bus to get to work and the journey
involves a lot of NSL A-roads, I was quite impressed how quickly and
smoothly the buses come to a complete stop when going down hill at full
pelt (56-62mph). The auto box seems to drop down gears as it slows down
to increase the braking effect.

I don't know if they caught on but, about 30 years back, I was on a
bus that was fitted with a magnetic arrester device. The braking, even
from the device alone, was breathtaking.

Apellation Controlee wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:58:11 +0000, gremlin_95
wrote:

On 10/11/2013 18:12, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:32:21 +0000, SteveW wrote:

Indeed we allow 44 (or is it 48 now) ton trucks to travel at 56,
knowing they haven't a hope in hell of matching a car's stopping
distance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY
Quite impressive. I travel by bus to get to work and the journey
involves a lot of NSL A-roads, I was quite impressed how quickly and
smoothly the buses come to a complete stop when going down hill at full
pelt (56-62mph). The auto box seems to drop down gears as it slows down
to increase the braking effect.

I don't know if they caught on but, about 30 years back, I was on a
bus that was fitted with a magnetic arrester device. The braking, even
from the device alone, was breathtaking.

Retarders. Some of them use electromagnets to energise what is,
effectively, a shorted out generator.

http://www.telma.com/

Others use a pump in the gearbox to force oil through an adjustable
hole. When working and used correctly, they replace about 90% of the
friction braking. Hybrid buses use the motor and recovered energy to put
some charge back into the batteries, too.

They're fitted to the vast majority of large buses and coaches, and are
beginning to catch on in the lorry world, too. They are also a legal
requirement in Germany, and come in very handy on some of their long,
steep, motorway hills.

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John.

Huge wrote:
What are those things that fiddle with the valving on diesel engines to
create engine braking? Make the most appalling racket; seems like they
convert kinetic energy into noise!

[Googles]

Ahhhh ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_brake

They don't fiddle with the valves, they just close a restrictor in the
exhaust outlet. They're not very effective, but they *are* cheap to fit.

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John.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:02:48 +0000, Huge wrote:

What are those things that fiddle with the valving on diesel engines
to create engine braking? Make the most appalling racket; seems like
they convert kinetic energy into noise!

[Googles]

Ahhhh ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_brake

They don't fiddle with the valves,

Actually, if you read the 'pedia article, that's exactly what they do.

they just close a restrictor in the exhaust outlet.

There's both types. The exhaust-flap is obviously the easier to retro-fit.