Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)
Looked up the company on the internet.
Dunno how they get away with such crap.

http://www.greenhomeenergy.org.uk/tems_home.php

harryagain wrote:

Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)
Looked up the company on the internet.
Dunno how they get away with such crap.

The usual "up to" XX% savings bollox, wonder if they have figures to
backup the "average bills" for their graph? and what is the X axis anyway?

http://www.greenhomeenergy.org.uk/im...ergy_bills.png

Up to?, they never quote a minimum saving of do they?

Brian

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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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harryagain wrote:

Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)
Looked up the company on the internet.
Dunno how they get away with such crap.

The usual "up to" XX% savings bollox, wonder if they have figures to
backup the "average bills" for their graph? and what is the X axis anyway?

http://www.greenhomeenergy.org.uk/im...ergy_bills.png

"harryagain" wrote in message
...
Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)
Looked up the company on the internet.
Dunno how they get away with such crap.

http://www.greenhomeenergy.org.uk/tems_home.php


Yep, I had my letter this week, offerring to save me 40%. I dread to think
what the cost of it is.

On 07/04/2013 07:49 AM, harryagain wrote:
Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)
Looked up the company on the internet.
Dunno how they get away with such crap.

http://www.greenhomeenergy.org.uk/tems_home.php



'BG recommend an annual flush at £900'
Can anyone believe that?

On Thursday 04 July 2013 07:49 harryagain wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)
Looked up the company on the internet.
Dunno how they get away with such crap.

http://www.greenhomeenergy.org.uk/tems_home.php

"Dynamic Power Cleanse"

That's even better than old dickhead's magic hifi cables...

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On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 07:49:44 +0100, harryagain wrote:

Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)
Looked up the company on the internet.
Dunno how they get away with such crap.

'cause the great unwashed haven't got half a clue and fall for the
clever marketing. The wording on that site is clever, you have to
read it very carefully to see what they are really saying not what
you *think* they are saying. With the great unwashed average reading
age of less than 10...

Looking at what they offer you *might* make the savings they claim if
you have very old system with very poor controls. It appears they
just add TRVs, an electronic thermostat with proportional control,
and **** up your roof with spray on insulation (see recent thread
about that).

What are the "thermodynamic panels" they wibble about? The words
imply some form on new and revolutionary solar collector that will
provide all your homes heat even in the middle of winter and 100% of
your hot water in summer...

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On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 08:49:56 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:



What are the "thermodynamic panels" they wibble about? The words
imply some form on new and revolutionary solar collector that will
provide all your homes heat even in the middle of winter and 100% of
your hot water in summer...

AIUI they're a sort of air source heat pump using roof mounted panels
that look something like flat plate solar collectors. On the face of
it they probably work, but they certainly won't be cost effective at
the multiple thousands that they would be charging.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
What are the "thermodynamic panels" they wibble about? The words
imply some form on new and revolutionary solar collector that will
provide all your homes heat even in the middle of winter and 100% of
your hot water in summer...

--
Cheers
Dave.


A heat exchanger. This is the kit they are using.

http://www.magicthermodynamicbox.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ZnZxAjOdk

On 04/07/2013 09:50, Road_Hog wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
What are the "thermodynamic panels" they wibble about? The words
imply some form on new and revolutionary solar collector that will
provide all your homes heat even in the middle of winter and 100% of
your hot water in summer...

--
Cheers
Dave.


A heat exchanger. This is the kit they are using.

http://www.magicthermodynamicbox.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ZnZxAjOdk



It can't be much of a solar panel.
You aren't allowed to use soldered joints on the one I have as the
solder will melt when the sun is out.
You either use mechanical joints or brazing.

In article m,
dennis@home scribeth thus
On 04/07/2013 09:50, Road_Hog wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
What are the "thermodynamic panels" they wibble about? The words
imply some form on new and revolutionary solar collector that will
provide all your homes heat even in the middle of winter and 100% of
your hot water in summer...

--
Cheers
Dave.


A heat exchanger. This is the kit they are using.

http://www.magicthermodynamicbox.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ZnZxAjOdk



It can't be much of a solar panel.
You aren't allowed to use soldered joints on the one I have as the
solder will melt when the sun is out.
You either use mechanical joints or brazing.

Den.. What is the melting point of Solder?..

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On 04/07/2013 20:06, tony sayer wrote:

Den.. What is the melting point of Solder?..

Wiki he says 41 to 800.

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"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article m,
dennis@home scribeth thus
On 04/07/2013 09:50, Road_Hog wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
What are the "thermodynamic panels" they wibble about? The words
imply some form on new and revolutionary solar collector that will
provide all your homes heat even in the middle of winter and 100% of
your hot water in summer...

--
Cheers
Dave.


A heat exchanger. This is the kit they are using.

http://www.magicthermodynamicbox.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ZnZxAjOdk



It can't be much of a solar panel.
You aren't allowed to use soldered joints on the one I have as the
solder will melt when the sun is out.
You either use mechanical joints or brazing.

Den.. What is the melting point of Solder?..

--
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It's nothing to do with the melting point of solder.
This is a heat pump using refrigeant gas, you can't use soft solders with
refrigerant gas.
The novel feature is that it uses an evaporator that is solar heated so it
will work better than an air heated one.
In Summer anyway. Dunno how well it would work in Winter.

On 04/07/2013 20:06, tony sayer wrote:
In article m,
dennis@home scribeth thus
On 04/07/2013 09:50, Road_Hog wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
What are the "thermodynamic panels" they wibble about? The words
imply some form on new and revolutionary solar collector that will
provide all your homes heat even in the middle of winter and 100% of
your hot water in summer...

--
Cheers
Dave.


A heat exchanger. This is the kit they are using.

http://www.magicthermodynamicbox.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ZnZxAjOdk



It can't be much of a solar panel.
You aren't allowed to use soldered joints on the one I have as the
solder will melt when the sun is out.
You either use mechanical joints or brazing.

Den.. What is the melting point of Solder?..


What sort?

At about 230C, for lead free plumbing solder, a lot less than the 300C
the vacuum tubes can get too.
Older leaded solder probably melts at about 180C.

On Thursday, July 4, 2013 9:50:18 AM UTC+1, Road_Hog wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message

ll.co.uk...

What are the "thermodynamic panels" they wibble about? The words

imply some form on new and revolutionary solar collector that will

provide all your homes heat even in the middle of winter and 100% of

your hot water in summer...



--

Cheers

Dave.





A heat exchanger. This is the kit they are using.



http://www.magicthermodynamicbox.com/



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ZnZxAjOdk

The magic heating box seems to be a "low loss header."

Simon.

"sm_jamieson" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 9:50:18 AM UTC+1, Road_Hog wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message

ll.co.uk...

What are the "thermodynamic panels" they wibble about? The words

imply some form on new and revolutionary solar collector that will

provide all your homes heat even in the middle of winter and 100% of

your hot water in summer...



--

Cheers

Dave.





A heat exchanger. This is the kit they are using.



http://www.magicthermodynamicbox.com/



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ZnZxAjOdk

The magic heating box seems to be a "low loss header."

Simon.

Tch. The "magic heating box" is a heat pump runing on refrigerant gas..

On Saturday, July 6, 2013 6:30:37 AM UTC+1, harryagain wrote:
"sm_jamieson" wrote in message

...

On Thursday, July 4, 2013 9:50:18 AM UTC+1, Road_Hog wrote:

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message



ll.co.uk...



What are the "thermodynamic panels" they wibble about? The words



imply some form on new and revolutionary solar collector that will



provide all your homes heat even in the middle of winter and 100% of



your hot water in summer...







--



Cheers



Dave.











A heat exchanger. This is the kit they are using.







http://www.magicthermodynamicbox.com/







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ZnZxAjOdk



The magic heating box seems to be a "low loss header."



Simon.



Tch. The "magic heating box" is a heat pump runing on refrigerant gas..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/...ew-boiler.html

Ah yes a bit like the medical mob and their 'clinically proven' kind of get
out.

I suppose you can get away with anything if its vague enough that nobody
quite understands what you really are saying.
Brian

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"harryagain" wrote in message
...
Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)
Looked up the company on the internet.
Dunno how they get away with such crap.

http://www.greenhomeenergy.org.uk/tems_home.php

A very wise man once told me that the more complicated and difficult to
understand you make the invoice, the more customers will just pay it.


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Ah yes a bit like the medical mob and their 'clinically proven' kind of
get out.

I suppose you can get away with anything if its vague enough that nobody
quite understands what you really are saying.
Brian

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"harryagain" wrote in message
...
Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)
Looked up the company on the internet.
Dunno how they get away with such crap.

http://www.greenhomeenergy.org.uk/tems_home.php

On 04/07/2013 09:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
Ah yes a bit like the medical mob and their 'clinically proven' kind of get
out.

I suppose you can get away with anything if its vague enough that nobody
quite understands what you really are saying.
Brian


Not since The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.

Providing material information in a manner which is unclear,
unintelligible, ambiguous or untimely is classed as a misleading
omission, which is prohibited under paragraph 6 of the regulations.

Colin Bignell

On 04/07/13 15:24, Nightjar wrote:
On 04/07/2013 09:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
Ah yes a bit like the medical mob and their 'clinically proven' kind
of get
out.

I suppose you can get away with anything if its vague enough that nobody
quite understands what you really are saying.
Brian


Not since The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.

Providing material information in a manner which is unclear,
unintelligible, ambiguous or untimely is classed as a misleading
omission, which is prohibited under paragraph 6 of the regulations.

unless you are a a lobby group
Advising guvmint
Colin Bignell


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On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 07:49:44 +0100, "harryagain"
wrote:

Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)

Is it election time again?

On 04/07/2013 17:41, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 07:49:44 +0100, "harryagain"
wrote:

Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)

Is it election time again?

I'll wait for the next one. Fancy a bacon sarnie with the even rasher
promises.

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Next year its London elections I think for councils.
Brian

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"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 07:49:44 +0100, "harryagain"
wrote:

Had a junk letter today filled with rash promises (but no detail)

Is it election time again?

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Brian Gaff" wrote:

Next year its London elections I think for councils.
Brian

Euro elections next year. A chance *not* to vote for UKIP candidates who
do no work in Brussels to protect Britain's interests.

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My third time in a row voting for UKIP - stick that in your pipe and smoke
it - I'm sure the LibLabCon do much better signing us up to everything.

"Road_Hog" wrote in message
news

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Brian Gaff" wrote:

Next year its London elections I think for councils.
Brian

Euro elections next year. A chance *not* to vote for UKIP candidates who
do no work in Brussels to protect Britain's interests.

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My third time in a row voting for UKIP - stick that in your pipe and smoke
it - I'm sure the LibLabCon do much better signing us up to everything.
You need to get along to some local UKIP meetings.
I have and there are some disappointingly "swivel eyed" nitwits there.
Barking mad some of them.

I believe the organisation is in the process of being takenover by a lot of
has beens and wannabes
now there is some possiblity of success.
Has beens in the sense of chucked out of other parties for crooked
practices.

In message , harryagain
writes

"Road_Hog" wrote in message
news

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Brian Gaff" wrote:

Next year its London elections I think for councils.
Brian

Euro elections next year. A chance *not* to vote for UKIP candidates who
do no work in Brussels to protect Britain's interests.

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My third time in a row voting for UKIP - stick that in your pipe and smoke
it - I'm sure the LibLabCon do much better signing us up to everything.
You need to get along to some local UKIP meetings.
I have and there are some disappointingly "swivel eyed" nitwits there.
Barking mad some of them.

I believe the organisation is in the process of being takenover by a lot of
has beens and wannabes
now there is some possiblity of success.
Has beens in the sense of chucked out of other parties for crooked
practices.



Got on here like that - local councillor with a criminal conviction
concerning breach of fire regs in shared accommodation Been a
conservative for years and years now jumped ship to UKIP who have
welcomed him saying that anyone can make a mistake.
OK so what crime if any makes someone unacceptable for UKIP and does it
depend if you are a sitting councillor or not?
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On 04/07/13 18:40, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
"Brian Gaff" wrote:

Next year its London elections I think for councils.
Brian

Euro elections next year. A chance *not* to vote for UKIP candidates
who do no work in Brussels to protect Britain's interests.

as opposed to MEPs who *do* vote *against* Britain's interests?


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On 04/07/13 21:24, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 04/07/13 18:40, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
"Brian Gaff" wrote:

Next year its London elections I think for councils.
Brian

Euro elections next year. A chance *not* to vote for UKIP
candidates who do no work in Brussels to protect Britain's interests.

as opposed to MEPs who *do* vote *against* Britain's interests?

That the Libs and Greens (dunno about labour). Not to be confused with
the Tories who *do* turn up for committee votes to stave of damaging
legislation.

never seems to work does it?


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On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 18:40:55 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:


Euro elections next year. A chance *not* to vote for UKIP candidates who
do no work in Brussels to protect Britain's interests.

We have *never* voted to be *in* the EU. How can that be justified?

Susexlad

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:53:33 +0100, Andy Cap
wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 18:40:55 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:


Euro elections next year. A chance *not* to vote for UKIP candidates who
do no work in Brussels to protect Britain's interests.

We have *never* voted to be *in* the EU. How can that be justified?

We rarely get to vote on *any* important issues.
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