Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?

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In article ,
Steve Firth writes:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?

How about "24 hour CCTV recording" notices?

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On 24/06/13 11:39, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Steve Firth writes:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?
How about "24 hour CCTV recording" notices?

stick it on You tube.

Or get a nice print, and pop it through his letterbox, NOT in an envelope.

removal of background detail that might identify the location with
photoshop is advised, too.


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Hmm Infra red flash, well maybe you should just make it a visible light
flash and then he could be in no doubt there are cameras?

Brian

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 24/06/13 11:39, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth writes:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less
hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been
clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the
area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?
How about "24 hour CCTV recording" notices?

stick it on You tube.

Or get a nice print, and pop it through his letterbox, NOT in an envelope.

removal of background detail that might identify the location with
photoshop is advised, too.


--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members
of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded
with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

Brian Gaff wrote:
Hmm Infra red flash, well maybe you should just make it a visible light
flash and then he could be in no doubt there are cameras?

Brian

What if he's blind? Ha, you didn't think of that Brian!

Bill

On 2013-06-24 10:25:06 +0000, Steve Firth said:

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

What, no red or white sox?

Maybe he is wearing those trendy invisible clothes he bought down the
market?


Brian

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"eastender" wrote in message
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On 2013-06-24 10:25:06 +0000, Steve Firth said:

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

What, no red or white sox?

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?

Sounds funny at first but then you wonder how he knows when you're both not
home which adds a rather sinister angle. Obviously he could assume you're at
work during normal hours but I doubt he'd be wandering naked around your
garden without knowing for sure that neither of you are there. Is he
watching you/your cars?

Would it be fair to assume that he's also visiting the gardens of other
people who might not be as relaxed or secure about it as you are, if they
knew? I'd consider reporting it, it may not be the first time he's come to
their attention and it sounds like he's either up to something else, or soon
will be.

On 24/06/13 11:57, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been
clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the
area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?

Sounds funny at first but then you wonder how he knows when you're
both not home which adds a rather sinister angle. Obviously he could
assume you're at work during normal hours but I doubt he'd be
wandering naked around your garden without knowing for sure that
neither of you are there. Is he watching you/your cars?

Would it be fair to assume that he's also visiting the gardens of
other people who might not be as relaxed or secure about it as you
are, if they knew? I'd consider reporting it, it may not be the first
time he's come to their attention and it sounds like he's either up to
something else, or soon will be.
Wandering around bollock naked in the dark is nice, but it is bound to
be misinterpreted if you do it in someone else's garden or in the middle
of suburbia.

Ergo this man is probably 'sick in da head, mon'.

I hate being a tell tale, but you might care to ask an expert in
pyschology, whether in fact this is merely the sign of a harmless fruit,
or whether in fact he is a possible danger to anyone.

After all cats dogs bats owls and foxes wander around at night naked, so
its not exactly unkown. It's just unusual to find humans doing it.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 24/06/13 11:57, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less
hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been
clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the
area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?

Sounds funny at first but then you wonder how he knows when you're both
not home which adds a rather sinister angle. Obviously he could assume
you're at work during normal hours but I doubt he'd be wandering naked
around your garden without knowing for sure that neither of you are
there. Is he watching you/your cars?

Would it be fair to assume that he's also visiting the gardens of other
people who might not be as relaxed or secure about it as you are, if they
knew? I'd consider reporting it, it may not be the first time he's come
to their attention and it sounds like he's either up to something else,
or soon will be.
Wandering around bollock naked in the dark is nice, but it is bound to be
misinterpreted if you do it in someone else's garden or in the middle of
suburbia.

Ergo this man is probably 'sick in da head, mon'.

I hate being a tell tale, but you might care to ask an expert in
pyschology, whether in fact this is merely the sign of a harmless fruit,
or whether in fact he is a possible danger to anyone.

After all cats dogs bats owls and foxes wander around at night naked, so
its not exactly unkown. It's just unusual to find humans doing it.

I would not hesitate in reporting this to the police.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 24/06/13 11:57, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less
hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been
clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the
area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?

Sounds funny at first but then you wonder how he knows when you're both
not home which adds a rather sinister angle. Obviously he could assume
you're at work during normal hours but I doubt he'd be wandering naked
around your garden without knowing for sure that neither of you are
there. Is he watching you/your cars?

Would it be fair to assume that he's also visiting the gardens of other
people who might not be as relaxed or secure about it as you are, if they
knew? I'd consider reporting it, it may not be the first time he's come
to their attention and it sounds like he's either up to something else,
or soon will be.
Wandering around bollock naked in the dark is nice, but it is bound to be
misinterpreted if you do it in someone else's garden or in the middle of
suburbia.

Ergo this man is probably 'sick in da head, mon'.

I hate being a tell tale, but you might care to ask an expert in
pyschology, whether in fact this is merely the sign of a harmless fruit,
or whether in fact he is a possible danger to anyone.

After all cats dogs bats owls and foxes wander around at night naked, so
its not exactly unkown. It's just unusual to find humans doing it.

A psychologist might well predict that once the jollies of running around
other people's gardens naked (unseen - or so he thought) wears off, he might
start looking into windows or doing it when people are home and could glance
out of the window and see him, or doing it in more public places. I'd say he
wants to be seen, and is building up his confidence and his arousal by doing
it in the dark or at empty properties. For now. If he wanted to merely
stroll around naked and didn't need the thrill of being seen, he'd be doing
it in his own garden or in seculded woods somewhere.

As forensic psychologists would say, he may well be "progressing".
Gradually, the thrill of doing the same old thing subsides while his
confidence rises, and he'll have to start adding something to each "foray"
to get the same buzz, it's almost inevitable. It is often said that flashers
tend to be voyeuristic too. Both are (usually) non-consensual "fetishes".

"Mentalguy2k8" wrote in message
...

A psychologist might well predict that once the jollies of running around
other people's gardens naked (unseen - or so he thought) wears off, he
might start looking into windows or doing it when people are home and
could glance out of the window and see him, or doing it in more public
places. I'd say he wants to be seen, and is building up his confidence and
his arousal by doing it in the dark or at empty properties. For now. If he
wanted to merely stroll around naked and didn't need the thrill of being
seen, he'd be doing it in his own garden or in seculded woods somewhere.

As forensic psychologists would say, he may well be "progressing".
Gradually, the thrill of doing the same old thing subsides while his
confidence rises, and he'll have to start adding something to each "foray"
to get the same buzz, it's almost inevitable. It is often said that
flashers tend to be voyeuristic too. Both are (usually) non-consensual
"fetishes".

* I'm not an expert.

But I would be wary of the confrontational approach, I'd suggest showing the
pictures to the Police and asking them to have a quiet no-names word with
him and calmly suggest that he stops. Nobody knows what screws he has loose
(or how many), directly ****ing him off might lead to some kind of
long-running conflict which nobody needs.

In the meantime it might be worth putting up some motion-activated lights so
that next time he turns up, he'll be fully illuminated and might scuttle
off.

Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

Nobody knows what screws he
has loose (or how many), directly ****ing him off might lead to some
kind of long-running conflict which nobody needs.

Yes, Steve would want to avoid annoying anyone and would never drive
nutters to the point of stalking him.

Scott

"Mentalguy2k8" wrote in message ...


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 24/06/13 11:57, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less
hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been
clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the
area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?

Sounds funny at first but then you wonder how he knows when you're both
not home which adds a rather sinister angle. Obviously he could assume
you're at work during normal hours but I doubt he'd be wandering naked
around your garden without knowing for sure that neither of you are
there. Is he watching you/your cars?

Would it be fair to assume that he's also visiting the gardens of other
people who might not be as relaxed or secure about it as you are, if they
knew? I'd consider reporting it, it may not be the first time he's come
to their attention and it sounds like he's either up to something else,
or soon will be.

Just report him to the police.

Mike

"Mentalguy2k8" wrote:

Sounds funny at first but then you wonder how he knows when you're both
not home which adds a rather sinister angle. Obviously he could assume
you're at work during normal hours but I doubt he'd be wandering naked
around your garden without knowing for sure that neither of you are
there. Is he watching you/your cars?

He's in a position to see cars coming and going so, probably.

Would it be fair to assume that he's also visiting the gardens of other
people who might not be as relaxed or secure about it as you are, if they
knew? I'd consider reporting it, it may not be the first time he's come
to their attention and it sounds like he's either up to something else, or soon will be.

I don't think so, not many houses in the area. We live way out in the
sticks and the only access to other houses would be along an "A" road. Our
drive is a country lane that he can access without going on the road, no
other property has access to it. If he tried to get to other properties he
would have to scale a barbed wire fence and cross a waist-high field of
stinging nettles and ford the stream. He'd then have access to three or
four other properties over a distance of about a mile. However one of those
properties is owned by an Ag contractor who keeps large fierce dogs and
others keep horses, goats, sheep and geese.

Someone, I think it wasTNP, suggested consulting a psychologist. That's
easy for me, I could ask my wife who specialised in abnormal (forensic)
psychology. However she's in housewife mode at the moment and just shouted
"oh the dirty *******" when she saw the pics.

She also told me that he has been flashing, sort of. His home has a large
patio window and deck and he likes to stand in front of the window naked.
Oh and Errm there are good reasons to think he's no threat to my wife or
me. In my case I'm a foot taller than he is.

It may be that he's escalating from flashing to something else but he's due
to leave the village soon, so will become someone else's problem if he is
one. I don't care about the nudity, other than on the basis of aesthetics.
It's the prowling around after midnight I find odd.

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"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
"Mentalguy2k8" wrote:

Sounds funny at first but then you wonder how he knows when you're both
not home which adds a rather sinister angle. Obviously he could assume
you're at work during normal hours but I doubt he'd be wandering naked
around your garden without knowing for sure that neither of you are
there. Is he watching you/your cars?

He's in a position to see cars coming and going so, probably.

Would it be fair to assume that he's also visiting the gardens of other
people who might not be as relaxed or secure about it as you are, if they
knew? I'd consider reporting it, it may not be the first time he's come
to their attention and it sounds like he's either up to something else,
or soon will be.

I don't think so, not many houses in the area. We live way out in the
sticks and the only access to other houses would be along an "A" road. Our
drive is a country lane that he can access without going on the road, no
other property has access to it. If he tried to get to other properties he
would have to scale a barbed wire fence and cross a waist-high field of
stinging nettles and ford the stream. He'd then have access to three or
four other properties over a distance of about a mile. However one of
those
properties is owned by an Ag contractor who keeps large fierce dogs and
others keep horses, goats, sheep and geese.

Someone, I think it wasTNP, suggested consulting a psychologist. That's
easy for me, I could ask my wife who specialised in abnormal (forensic)
psychology. However she's in housewife mode at the moment and just shouted
"oh the dirty *******" when she saw the pics.

She also told me that he has been flashing, sort of. His home has a large
patio window and deck and he likes to stand in front of the window naked.
Oh and Errm there are good reasons to think he's no threat to my wife or
me. In my case I'm a foot taller than he is.

It may be that he's escalating from flashing to something else but he's
due
to leave the village soon, so will become someone else's problem if he is
one. I don't care about the nudity, other than on the basis of aesthetics.
It's the prowling around after midnight I find odd.


So he's watching your comings (no pun) and goings, flashing at his window
and walking round your garden naked.

I think you need to report everything, for your wife's sake especially (or
any woman's, really), as he could well be a little "focused" on her, shall
we say. He doesn't sound like a harmless crank to me, and maybe you'll be
doing his new neighbours a favour, they might not be as well-equipped to
protect themselves as you two are. For all you know, he may well have other
offences on his record.

Mark my words, if he stays put and nothing is done, your wife will open the
curtains one morning and he'll be on the other side of the window pulling
his pud, or breaking in and stealing her underwear, or making "silent" phone
calls etc. At least if the Police are aware, if the worst does happen and he
does something while she's home on her own, she'll be able to get them to
respond immediately. It's a bit of a concern what he is up to when you
*don't* see him or catch him on film. Looking you up online? Going through
your bins? Taking photos through the windows and lining his bedroom with
them? Could be almost anything.

On 24/06/13 20:04, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

Mark my words, if he stays put and nothing is done, your wife will
open the curtains one morning and he'll be on the other side of the
window pulling his pud, or breaking in and stealing her underwear, or
making "silent" phone calls etc. At least if the Police are aware, if
the worst does happen and he does something while she's home on her
own, she'll be able to get them to respond immediately. It's a bit of
a concern what he is up to when you *don't* see him or catch him on
film. Looking you up online? Going through your bins? Taking photos
through the windows and lining his bedroom with them? Could be almost
anything.
ArnoldLayne...

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On 2013-06-24 19:10:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher said:

ArnoldLayne...

LOL

"Mentalguy2k8" wrote:
[snip]

So he's watching your comings (no pun) and goings, flashing at his window
and walking round your garden naked.

I think you need to report everything, for your wife's sake especially
(or any woman's, really), as he could well be a little "focused" on her, shall we say.

Err no, that's not possible.

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_/ _/

Have you noticed in these sort of happenings it is seldom a nice young
lady, its nearly always a middle aged bloke.

Brian

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"Mentalguy2k8" wrote in message
...

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been
clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the
area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?

Sounds funny at first but then you wonder how he knows when you're both
not home which adds a rather sinister angle. Obviously he could assume
you're at work during normal hours but I doubt he'd be wandering naked
around your garden without knowing for sure that neither of you are there.
Is he watching you/your cars?

Would it be fair to assume that he's also visiting the gardens of other
people who might not be as relaxed or secure about it as you are, if they
knew? I'd consider reporting it, it may not be the first time he's come to
their attention and it sounds like he's either up to something else, or
soon will be.

On 24/06/2013 11:57, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:


Sounds funny at first but then you wonder how he knows when you're both
not home

He also has a CCTV pointing at the house.


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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:25:06 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:


I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

Sorry - I missed your link to the youtube video...

On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does not
sound to be his intent.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?

Hawthorn hedges and a tall locked gate with spikes on.

Colin Bignell

Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and
infra-red flash around the garden and garage. Mostly I was
interested in watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people mistaking our drive for
a public ROW (this happens a lot). I was paging through 800 odd photos
from this month and found that a
man visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has
been clicked several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball
cap.

Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does
not sound to be his intent.

Are you saying that it is legal to wander around uninvited around a
neighbours garden with your tackle out?


--
Adam

On 24/06/13 19:53, ARW wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and
infra-red flash around the garden and garage. Mostly I was
interested in watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people mistaking our drive for
a public ROW (this happens a lot). I was paging through 800 odd photos
from this month and found that a
man visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has
been clicked several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball
cap.
Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does
not sound to be his intent.
Are you saying that it is legal to wander around uninvited around a
neighbours garden with your tackle out?


I think its a grey area :-)
It depends on the intent..


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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/06/13 19:53, ARW wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and
infra-red flash around the garden and garage. Mostly I was
interested in watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people mistaking our drive
for a public ROW (this happens a lot). I was paging through 800
odd photos from this month and found that a
man visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has
been clicked several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball
cap.
Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does
not sound to be his intent.
Are you saying that it is legal to wander around uninvited around a
neighbours garden with your tackle out?


I think its a grey area :-)

Not on my patch.

--
Adam

In article , lid says...

On 24/06/13 19:53, ARW wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and
infra-red flash around the garden and garage. Mostly I was
interested in watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people mistaking our drive for
a public ROW (this happens a lot). I was paging through 800 odd photos
from this month and found that a
man visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has
been clicked several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball
cap.
Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does
not sound to be his intent.
Are you saying that it is legal to wander around uninvited around a
neighbours garden with your tackle out?


I think its a grey area :-)
It depends on the intent..


It isn't. The Naked Rambler has just been sent down for another year
inside.

On 25/06/2013 02:31, Artic wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 24/06/13 19:53, ARW wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and
infra-red flash around the garden and garage. Mostly I was
interested in watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people mistaking our drive for
a public ROW (this happens a lot). I was paging through 800 odd photos
from this month and found that a
man visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has
been clicked several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball
cap.
Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does
not sound to be his intent.
Are you saying that it is legal to wander around uninvited around a
neighbours garden with your tackle out?


I think its a grey area :-)
It depends on the intent..


It isn't. The Naked Rambler has just been sent down for another year
inside.


However, not for a s66 offence, but for defying a Court Order. The fact
that it was necessary to issue him with an ASBO to stop him walking
about naked demonstrates the problem, in England at least, of
prosecuting under Section 66 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003.

Colin Bignell

On 24/06/2013 19:53, ARW wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and
infra-red flash around the garden and garage. Mostly I was
interested in watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people mistaking our drive for
a public ROW (this happens a lot). I was paging through 800 odd photos
from this month and found that a
man visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has
been clicked several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball
cap.

Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does
not sound to be his intent.

Are you saying that it is legal to wander around uninvited around a
neighbours garden with your tackle out?


And Stephen Gough might think you wrong:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...gh-jailed-asbo

--
Rod

On 24/06/2013 19:59, polygonum wrote:
On 24/06/2013 19:53, ARW wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and
infra-red flash around the garden and garage. Mostly I was
interested in watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people mistaking our drive for
a public ROW (this happens a lot). I was paging through 800 odd photos
from this month and found that a
man visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has
been clicked several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball
cap.

Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does
not sound to be his intent.

Are you saying that it is legal to wander around uninvited around a
neighbours garden with your tackle out?


And Stephen Gough might think you wrong:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...gh-jailed-asbo


That was for disobeying a Court Order, not for contravention of section
66 of The Sexual Offences Act 2003, although he has been done for that
as well. It is the intent that is critical for a s66 offence.

Colin Bignell

On 24/06/2013 20:26, Nightjar wrote:

That was for disobeying a Court Order, not for contravention of section
66 of The Sexual Offences Act 2003, although he has been done for that
as well. It is the intent that is critical for a s66 offence.

Colin Bignell

Yep - it was the history rather than this instance.

--
Rod

polygonum wrote:
On 24/06/2013 19:53, ARW wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and
infra-red flash around the garden and garage. Mostly I was
interested in watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people mistaking our drive
for a public ROW (this happens a lot). I was paging through 800
odd photos from this month and found that a
man visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has
been clicked several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball
cap.

Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does
not sound to be his intent.

Are you saying that it is legal to wander around uninvited around a
neighbours garden with your tackle out?


And Stephen Gough might think you wrong:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...gh-jailed-asbo

Is Steve Firth's garden and garage a public place?

--
Adam

On 24/06/2013 20:31, ARW wrote:
Is Steve Firth's garden and garage a public place?

Given the cameras rather more public than the kind of place I'd walk
around naked.

Report him. He's obviously loopy, and may become a danger to himslef or
others.

ANdy

On 24/06/2013 19:53, ARW wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and
infra-red flash around the garden and garage. Mostly I was
interested in watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people mistaking our drive for
a public ROW (this happens a lot). I was paging through 800 odd photos
from this month and found that a
man visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has
been clicked several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball
cap.

Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does
not sound to be his intent.

Are you saying that it is legal to wander around uninvited around a
neighbours garden with your tackle out?

Being on the land uninvited is trespass, which is a civil offence.

Being naked in public is not an offence in England, except when done
with the intent to be seen and to cause alarm or distress. As he is
appearing at night or when he has reason to believe the property is
empty, he could probably succeed with a defence that he was not
intending to be seen.

Colin Bignell

In article ,
says...

On 24/06/2013 19:53, ARW wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and
infra-red flash around the garden and garage. Mostly I was
interested in watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people mistaking our drive for
a public ROW (this happens a lot). I was paging through 800 odd photos
from this month and found that a
man visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has
been clicked several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball
cap.

Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does
not sound to be his intent.

Are you saying that it is legal to wander around uninvited around a
neighbours garden with your tackle out?

Being on the land uninvited is trespass, which is a civil offence.

Being naked in public is not an offence in England, except when done
with the intent to be seen and to cause alarm or distress. As he is
appearing at night or when he has reason to believe the property is
empty, he could probably succeed with a defence that he was not
intending to be seen.

Colin Bignell

Is he dressed when he makes his way along the roads, to and from his
lurking ?

In article ,
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 19:53, ARW wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my
own cameras. Less hi tech, I have put several trail
cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash around the
garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in
watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people
mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a
lot). I was paging through 800 odd photos from this
month and found that a man visits my garden when I am
not in or when I am asleep. He has been clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except
for a baseball cap.

Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that
somebody see his genitals and is caused alarm or
distress by doing so, which it does not sound to be
his intent.

Are you saying that it is legal to wander around
uninvited around a neighbours garden with your tackle
out?

Being on the land uninvited is trespass, which is a civil
offence.

Being naked in public is not an offence in England,
except when done with the intent to be seen and to cause
alarm or distress. As he is appearing at night or when
he has reason to believe the property is empty, he could
probably succeed with a defence that he was not
intending to be seen.
Your worships, I couldn't sleep and looked out of my window.
I thought I saw a prowler entering Mr Firth's property so
without any consideration for my own safety I went to
investigate.

I understand that there are cameras but I haven't seen any
lights and as it was dark, I thought I'd provide the flash!


John

--
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NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk, I have a work station

In article , ARW wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
On 24/06/2013 11:25, Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras.
Less hi tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and
infra-red flash around the garden and garage. Mostly I was
interested in watching the activity of the barn owl that lives in
the garage and to keep an eye out for people mistaking our drive for
a public ROW (this happens a lot). I was paging through 800 odd photos
from this month and found that a
man visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has
been clicked several times either on days when both my wife and I
are out or between midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball
cap.

Not illegal in the UK, unless done with intent that somebody see his
genitals and is caused alarm or distress by doing so, which it does
not sound to be his intent.

Are you saying that it is legal to wander around uninvited around a
neighbours garden with your tackle out?

Depends what you mean by "legal". Trespass isn't a crime:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trespass_to_land#England

(The "with your tackle out" bit, Nightjar already covered. If he's doing
it at night and doesn't know about the camera, hard to prove he intended
to be seen.)

Steve Firth wrote:
Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?

Did I mention that I caught (on CCTV) a delivery man creeping behind my
shed and having a ****?

Bill

In article -
september.org, says...

Spurred on by Adam's use of CCTV I have installed my own cameras. Less hi
tech, I have put several trail cams with PIR sensors and infra-red flash
around the garden and garage. Mostly I was interested in watching the
activity of the barn owl that lives in the garage and to keep an eye out
for people mistaking our drive for a public ROW (this happens a lot).

I was paging through 800 odd photos from this month and found that a man
visits my garden when I am not in or when I am asleep. He has been clicked
several times either on days when both my wife and I are out or between
midnight and 1AM.

There's only one odd thing, he's stark naked except for a baseball cap.

I recognise his face (the rest of it was an unknown) he lives in the area.
Polite word or posters nailed to telephone poles?


Should he do something nasty in a couple of months/years - how will you
feel? Every time someone is done for rape or murder, you can be sure a
neighbour will say "I thought he was a bit odd".

There are plenty of examples of men starting out as Peeping Toms, moving
onto flashing and then rape/murder. Let the police know - he may be an
offender who 'works away' from home.

Artic wrote:
Every time someone is done for rape or murder, you can be sure a
neighbour will say "I thought he was a bit odd".

Or: "he was a quiet chap who kept himself to himself"

JGH